Analysts: GM Bankruptcy May Not Be All That Bad

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TOM KRISHER | May 22, 2009 06:58 PM EST | AP

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DETROIT — With General Motors' long-anticipated day of reckoning a little more than a week away, nearly all signs are pointing to the wounded auto giant limping its way into bankruptcy court, but experts say that might not be as bad as once expected.

Car and truck buyers, they say, may not be as fearful of Chapter 11 as once thought, as evidenced by Chrysler's stronger-than-expected sales in the two weeks after it took the dreaded step into court.

"I think in this case and in the eyes of the consumer, uncertainty is the enemy," said Jeff Schuster, executive director of automotive forecasting for J.D. Power and Associates. "Once they know what happened, it at least is better than uncertainty."

GM borrowed an additional $4 billion from the government Friday on top of $15.4 billion it previously received. It faces a June 1 government-imposed deadline to finish restructuring or be forced into bankruptcy court.

Restructuring demands from President Barack Obama's administration include cutting labor costs, reducing debt, shedding dealerships and brands, and closing excess factories.

The company this week reached cost-cutting deals with Canadian and U.S. unions that still have to be ratified by members, but GM's unsecured bondholders have resisted an offer to take a 10 percent stake in the company to wipe out $27 billion in debt. They say that's too small a stake for the amount they are owed.

But even if GM files for Chapter 11, Chrysler's performance since its April 30 bankruptcy filing has made analysts optimistic that GM sales won't "fall off a cliff" as the company's CEO predicted in February.

Chrysler's sales to individual buyers are down 40 percent so far this month when compared with May of last year, a little worse than the overall market, which is down around 35 percent, the company has said.

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Schuster said that's better than he expected, and he predicted that GM might fare even better if it goes into Chapter 11.

"Maybe optimistic is a little too strong, but I think there could be potential for, once it's announced and once we understand how it's going to work, the potential for an uptick in the second half of the year," he said.

Chrysler is keeping its retail sales up to a large degree by offering rebates and other incentives. The company led major automakers in April with an average of $4,383 per vehicle, up from $3,795 in the same month last year, according to the Edmunds.com automotive Web site. GM was second with $4,107.

With the government announcing that it would back GM and Chrysler warranties, people are taking advantage of deals to get cars on the cheap, said David Koehler, a clinical marketing professor at the University of Illinois at Chicago.

"I think consumers right now know cars last for a long time," he said. "What they're looking at is the deals. I don't anticipate the doom and gloom that GM said, that this was going to kill them."

GM's tentative labor deals have raised the pressure on bondholders to accept the debt exchange offer, which may keep the company out of bankruptcy. The offer expires on Tuesday, but GM said in a regulatory filing that it would decide Wednesday if it will be extended.

Under GM's new capital structure, the government would forgive about $10 billion of its loans and get 50 percent of the company, and the United Auto Workers would own 39 percent for cutting in half the $20 billion GM owes to a union-run retiree health care trust.

Given that, bankruptcy experts say it's unlikely that GM can round up enough bondholders to get the debt-reduction to go through. The Treasury Department, which is overseeing GM's government-funded restructuring, has required 90 percent participation, but a committee of some of GM's largest bondholders have said they won't take the offer.

"The other bondholders are getting such a poor deal, there's just no way I can see them bringing those bondholders on board by June 1," said Jon Groetzinger, a visiting law professor at Case Western Reserve University in Cleveland.

Rep. Jeb Hensarling, R-Texas, and 22 House Republicans wrote Treasury Secretary Timothy Geithner on Friday to seek fairness for GM's debt holders.

"The proposal seems to favor the rights and claims of the UAW, a political ally of the current administration and a powerful lobbying force in Washington, over the rights and claims of the company's diverse group of bondholders," Hensarling and the lawmakers wrote.

A spokesman for the bondholders committee declined to comment Friday.

Also in doubt is GM's plan to cut its network of about 6,000 dealers by 40 percent before the end of 2010. GM sent notices last week to 1,100 dealers telling them their franchise agreements won't be renewed when they expire next year, and many dealers plan to fight in court. State franchise laws generally protect dealers, so it's unlikely GM could accomplish the cuts without help from a bankruptcy judge, experts have said.

Fear of bankruptcy and the possibility that it could come as early as next week drove GM shares down 49 cents, or 26 percent, to $1.43 Friday, erasing much of the 32 percent gain from Thursday when the UAW agreement was announced.

As June 1 fast approaches, there's still an outside chance that GM could somehow pull it all together and complete restructuring out of bankruptcy court, said John Pottow, a University of Michigan professor who specializes in bankruptcy.

Since the unions have given concessions and settled, there is pressure on GM's bondholders to do the same or risk becoming the entity that drove GM into bankruptcy, he said.

"When they make those concessions, it becomes tougher for you not to make those concessions as well because everyone's doing it," Pottow said, adding that dissident Chrysler creditors gave up their fight as pressure mounted and other stakeholders fell in line.

But with thousands of bondholders, it will difficult to get 90 percent of them to agree.

"There's no sort of like central negotiating committee of bondholders and unsecured creditors," he said.

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AP Auto Writer Dan Strumpf in New York and Associated Press Writer Ken Thomas in Washington contributed to this report.

DETROIT — With General Motors' long-anticipated day of reckoning a little more than a week away, nearly all signs are pointing to the wounded auto giant limping its way into bankruptcy court, bu...
DETROIT — With General Motors' long-anticipated day of reckoning a little more than a week away, nearly all signs are pointing to the wounded auto giant limping its way into bankruptcy court, bu...
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We need either to swallow the GM bankruptcy or spit it out.

My choice? Spit them out!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:40 PM on 05/24/2009

What Obama is doing to American auto industry has a direct negative impact on our economy. It is the big story and it is not being told. Add another million forclosures due to Obama's auto "recovery" plan. Add another million jobs lost because of no one else but Obama.

Our economy will permenently get worse after Obama forces both Chrysler and GM into bankruptcy. When I learned the details of Obama's car czar demands, I am beyond disgust. Obama is turning into a bigger destroyer of American jobs than Osama bin Laden.

If you get a chance watch Dennis Kuchinich on CSPAN reveal the dirt happening behind the scenes. Obama does not have to let his Wall Street appointees destroy the US car industry under the guise of helping it recover.

If Obama follows through with his Wall Street henchmen's plan, then I do not need to know anything more about him. If he claims he is saving the car industry I will puke. (and I voted for Obama)

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:03 AM on 05/24/2009
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It only takes opposition by 10% of the bondholders to stymie an out-of-court restructuring of GM. The FT believes that there are enough bondholders who, via being net short GM bonds via credit default swaps, have good reason to block a negotiated outcome and force the automaker into bankruptcy.

And that poses risk to the economy, since there are meaningful odds that the fast track solution of a 363 sale will be opposed successfully, producing uncertainty as to when GM will exit bankruptcy and putting further strain on the supply chain. GM is a big actor in its ecosystem, and too much damage to its supply chain will hurt all US based car-makers, including the transplants.

Here we have financial technology trumping what is in the collective best interest. Creditors when possible prefer to avoid bankruptcy court if a settlement can be reached out of court (it saves costs, reduces uncertainty, and minimizes the risk of loss of customers and key employees during the BK process).

Hedge funds and other investors stand to make billions of dollars on credit insurance contracts if GM declares bankruptcy ... analysts say.

Holders of such swaps would be paid in the event of a default – but would lose money if they agreed to restructure GM’s debt. For investors who own bonds and CDS, this could create an incentive to favour a bankruptcy filing.

http://www.nakedcapitalism.com/2009/05/credit-default-swaps-holders-likely-to.html

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:06 AM on 05/24/2009

Well then Obama should have thought about that before giving the crap offer to GM bondholders.

GM bond holders are owed 27 billion. How much was UAW owed?

who gets what % after restructuring (according to offer).

and you have the gall to blame bondholders to buy insurance on that debt? anyone with any brains and means who was stupid enough to hold on to GM debt for all these years should have bought CDS on this piece of ____ company to protect their bond position.

however, the CDS premium on this debt has been trading pretty high for a long time so obviously the insurance was very expensive. ....

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:11 PM on 05/24/2009
- sposton I'm a Fan of sposton 163 fans permalink
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It looks like the plan is to move much of the production capacity to Mexico and elsewhere. Read John Nichols's piece "The Case for Kenosha":

http://www.thenation.com/doc/20090601/nichols

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:13 PM on 05/23/2009
- Carolab I'm a Fan of Carolab 351 fans permalink
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GM already has plants in Brazil and China as well as Mexico.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:19 PM on 05/23/2009
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I LOVE these posts!

Green shoots!
Bankruptcy good!
Change change change


Man, this sh*t is fun. I'm a lucky dog to be living during one of the great economic debacles of the modern age. The drama, the lunacy, the laughter, the tears, the BS, BS, BS!

What we are really witnessing is the ruling class scrounging around for a new racket. Breathtaking in its shamelessness.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:15 AM on 05/23/2009
- Peter007 I'm a Fan of Peter007 30 fans permalink
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Bankruptcy not a bad deal.?

My broker sold me a $10,000 GM Bond because he said it was safe 4 years ago. A Blue chip bond. It was 20% of my IRA. Now that $10,000 is worth $748. I thought bond holders were secure or ahead of other creditors?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:03 AM on 05/23/2009

WEll you know there was risk involved and your broker gave you bad info, happens every day buddy, thats why its a stock *market*

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:24 AM on 05/23/2009

technically its a bond market. :)

but hopefully Peter remembers that and never buys from GM/Chrysler. Anything the bondholders to do to fight back (by never buying gm/chrysler), closer off we will be towards their BK for SECOND time and the better off we can teach the administration a lesson :)

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:28 AM on 05/23/2009
- sc92705 I'm a Fan of sc92705 5 fans permalink

Bondholders are safe unless the company goes into bankruptcy. If Chap 11 is avoided (unlikely) your bonds will be worth a lot more than they are now.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:01 PM on 05/23/2009
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It depends on whether the bonds are SECURED or UNSECURED.

SECURED bonds have credit default swaps (insurance) that pays the bondholders off in FULL in case of bankruptcy. That's the problem. It's the SECURED bondholders who are holding up this show, using their CDS protection as leverage for not agreeing to restructure.

The administration doesn't want a full bankruptcy, neither does the UAW. The secured bondholders don't care because they get paid regardless.

The TRUTH is the secured bondholders (the big players) are angling for MORE control of the company, and are trying to further whittle the UAW's share down after the UAW already made concessions to take equity for half of its trust fund obligations.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:29 PM on 05/23/2009
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Your bonds were UNSECURED.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:29 PM on 05/23/2009

yep and too bad most retail bondholders probably dont have CDS on this debt. but a lot of institutional bondholders were smart enough to buy it while the premium was still cheap.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:06 PM on 05/23/2009

Bankruptcy is a huge disaster and millions of voters will not forget Obama appointed a Wall Street crowd with an ulterior motive to force this bankruptcy.

The White House Auto Task Force is deliberately destroying massive numbers of jobs by forcing disestablishment of major percentages of Chrysler and GM. The cost is already up to 70 billion dollars and rising, will increase unemployment by a million, reduce state tax revenue by billions, and move jobs to China.

Wall Street has been the major culprit in the auto industry's woes (speculating on oil causing gas to go to $4 a gallon and hurting sales), freezing credit for both the auto manufacturers and car buyers further hurting sales and hurting the manufacturers ability to weather the storm. The White House Task Force is composed of Wall Street insiders who have no experience in the auto industry. Now they are mismanaging many steps of their "Recovery" as well as their final solution for the auto industry. Wall Street plans to make money by wiping out our infrastructure and importing cars from China.

If Obama continues to stick with his Wall Street crowd, then nothing else matters about Obama.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:07 AM on 05/23/2009

Without bankruptcy the company would just close, without the $ from the gvt GM would just close.

You are full of sh*t

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:24 AM on 05/23/2009

Obama has decided to sacrifice all of America's industrial infrastructure for the sake of "Fair Trade" that is not fair and not balanced. Geithner last month said China is not manipulating their currency. The Wall Streeters Obama listens to are the biggest proponents of unlimited trade with China. Obama has chosen to let all our industry be lost because he refuses to mandate Balanced trade.

You are the one with s**t for brains.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:00 AM on 05/24/2009
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Obama is playing the cards he was dealt. He also has to deal with a beligerent congress. Take a chill pill and deal with this mess like the rest of us.

The failure of the American auto industries is almost entirely of their own making. Poor designs, poor craftsman ship, and a complete lack of long term thinking brought us to this point.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:58 PM on 05/23/2009

Had Obama not stepped in GM would have totally liquidated. Obama isn't the one who ran the company into the ground either. Pensions and health care will be protected in bankruptcy court. They may have gotten nothing without the gov't backing the bankruptcy.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:13 PM on 05/25/2009
- noaxe397 I'm a Fan of noaxe397 124 fans permalink

According to WaPo, Congress now wants to get involved in GM bankruptcy. They say Obama task force is not listening to will of people. The same Congress that REFUSED to get involved back in December when Bush was forced to act and give car companies taxpayer dollars.
Remember Congress back then? How the senators from Tokyo talked about survival of the fitest and how the import companies in THEIR states would have no problem absorbing the demand for new cars? How a GM bankruptcy would not be such a bad thing? I guess they've gotten an earful from their constituents and now, at the last minute, after Obama (and, fairly, Bush) have done the heavy lifting, they want to have a say.
Please remember, Obama did not fire Rick Wagoner.
Please remember, Obama did not force any dealerships to close. Chrysler has been analyzing its dealer network for 5 years at a reported cost of 200 million to make the decision it did last week.
Congress was content to sit on sidelines for 6 months, UNTIL the investor class started howling. Customers, employees, suppliers, local communities; too bad. Private equity and hedge fund capitalists; yes sir, what can i do for you?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:52 AM on 05/23/2009

Bankruptcy is natures way of getting rid of bad management, bad companies, reallocating capital and people to where they are needed. The markets tend to do it far more efficiently than governments. We are likely to come to regret most actions our government is now taking to "fix" things.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:00 AM on 05/23/2009
- bobwalters I'm a Fan of bobwalters 26 fans permalink

Conflating "the markets" with "nature" is a core fallacy of laissez-faire capitalism. Markets are created by governments and banks/banksters -- they are NOT natural. Without governments, there would be no markets that would be sustainable, there would only be anarchy. Oh...that's about what we've had for the last 50 - 60 years, and called it "Wall Street" because government failed to do its job of regulating and rationalizing the jungle mentality of the marketeers. What's wrong with the current efforts to "fix" things is the groveling, rolling over and kow-towing to Wall Street interests over those of the economy and citizens at large. Geithner & Summers, et al, were/are big mistakes!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:51 PM on 05/23/2009

Bankruptcy can be a good thing in many cases, especially when there is a significant need for change. GM, Ford, and Chrysler have been dropping market share to foreign competitors for years and there is no reason this trend will not continue into the future. This means these companies need to become leaner. Fewer workers, fewer factories, fewer brands, fewer managers, and fewer dealerships. These moves should of been made (or started) more than a decade ago, but it was obviously too hard for any of the parties involved to concede failure (the impending decline of the once great company). If GM can use this opportunity to cut excess fat and redefine its strategy, it will be to the benefit of everyone in the long term. Still, i am not happy my tax dollars are involved since it is likely the government didn't get a good deal or its future equity. Furthermore, i am not sure the unlimited financial backstop of the government will help GM make the difficult decisions (cuts) that are needed.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:56 AM on 05/23/2009
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Credit Default Swaps Behind Two Major Bankruptcies This Week; is GM Next?
By: masaccio Friday April 17, 2009

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Bondholders with CDS protection on their bonds will be paid in full in the event of bankruptcy, so their interests are not the same as the unprotected bondholders. If there are enough protected bondholders, they can refuse to negotiate with the company, and force it into bankruptcy. At that point, the protection sellers have to pay off, and get the bonds in exchange, which allows them to participate in the bankruptcy, but it is too late. The giants are in the hands of the New York/Delaware bankruptcy lawyers guild, and the fee clock is ticking.

CDSs are a problem for GM, because they concealed the identity of debtholders who would be affected by bankruptcy. According to the DTCC, there are 5,252 CDS contracts outstanding on GM, with a gross value of $38.4bn and an expected notional value of $2.68bn. According to the DTTC, the notional amount is the maximum amount of money that will change hands on the occurrence of an event of default, after netting and application of collateral. The total amount of GM bonds is about $29bn.

The bondholders owning CDSs get paid off in the event of a bankruptcy. They don’t get paid off in the event of a restructuring. Why should they make a deal?

http://firedoglake.com/2009/04/17/credit-default-swaps-behind-two-major-bankruptcies-this-week-is-gm-next/

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:14 AM on 05/23/2009
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Of GM's much larger and diverse group of creditors, it is not known how many are protected from a bankruptcy filing via credit default swaps.

So they are playing poker.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:59 PM on 05/23/2009
- Avanti2 I'm a Fan of Avanti2 6 fans permalink

Obama and Congress could have saved this company but he chose not to. I wonder why? Doesn't he realize that we need a strong industrial base in the USA to pay the taxes for his social programs?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:05 AM on 05/23/2009

Obama and Congress would have to offer bondholders at least 50-60% of the equity of new gm which currently they are offering 10%. the deal was dead from start.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:55 AM on 05/23/2009

Shoulda thought about the ability to fund the current social programs when Bush sent all the industrial jobs to China

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:27 AM on 05/23/2009

Kind of ridiculous to be all upset about taxpayer money being wasted on GM.
We should be more upset about taxpayer money being wasted on the Pentagon.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:28 AM on 05/23/2009
- noaxe397 I'm a Fan of noaxe397 124 fans permalink

We should be worried about taxpayer money being wasted on the super rich. The tax money GM is living on, isn't it used to pay for, among other things, interest on the bonds? There is nothing wrong with capital making money with private capital. That's how it used to work. In the new era of the welfare capitalist it seems the capital comes from the tax dollars of labor.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:36 AM on 05/23/2009
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These reports characteristically leave out a key piece of the puzzle:

According to this BusinessWeek report “some of the bondholders own credit default swaps, which amount to an insurance policy against the debt and pay them in full if GM defaults. Those bondholders actually fare much better if GM goes into bankruptcy.”

That’s what Americans get for dedicating their lives to productively contributing to the nation’s economy - a Treasury Department whose aim is to get them to “go away” to make room for the demands of the nation’s blood-su_cking bondholders.

GM also owes the UAW $20 billion for a retiree health-care trust that will pay medical benefits. Treasury and GM want to give the union a big chunk of that in stock. Autoworkers work all their lives and expect healthcare in their old age guaranteed and the government and GM wants them to put it “in stock” - so if the stock goes down, so does their healthcare.

Nothing will change in America or in the world until people realize that an economy cannot thrive while it caters first and foremost to blood-sucking moneylenders and gamblers. The moneylenders, moneychangers, and gamblers must go - back to the flames of h_ell from whence they came.

http://waronyou.com/topics/kiss-gm-goodbye-its-bondholders-want-bankruptcy/

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:38 AM on 05/23/2009
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Again more consequences of divorcing investing from the risk of those investments.

This is what has ruined capitalism! Win Win for the cr00ked minded at the expense of everyone else.

Regulate TOXIC TOOLS OUT OF EXISTENCE and stop these Unethical practices!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:00 AM on 05/23/2009

1. Credit default swaps are usually used as a hedge against one's equity or fixed income investments, so while a default may result in an investment gain, it may not be the optimal outcome for an investor.

2. Credit Default Swaps cost money! As early as a year ago, these products were pricing in an over 90% likelihood that GM would default in 5 years. Insurance that expensive isn't likely to be a great investment.

3. The demands of "blood sucking" bondholders are pretty mild, mainly they want the legal contracts which both parties agreed upon to be followed. In my opinion, the senior debt holders have the right to be pissed off when they are taking a bigger haircut than those with subordinated debentures (as was the case with Chrysler).

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:35 AM on 05/23/2009
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They stand to make more if they let it go bankrupt. And that is their sole criterion. Not the idea of protecting our manufacturing base, ancillary businesses and workers.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:08 AM on 05/23/2009
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Not that bad....except, say goodbye to that 20 billion dollar loan taxpayers.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:36 AM on 05/23/2009
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When you're insolvent with no reputation and no business plan, bankruptcy is not as big of a step as it sounds.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:34 AM on 05/23/2009

So when will Michael Steele announce that the GOP is liquidating under Chapter 7?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:54 AM on 05/23/2009
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GM had the electric car. They were ahead of the curve.

Then they destroyed the cars for big money from the Saudi's.

Stuck on stupid then and now.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:16 AM on 05/23/2009
- Avanti2 I'm a Fan of Avanti2 6 fans permalink

Electric Cars are really not the answer. Probably the best answer currently available is the 2010 Ford Fusion Hybrid -- 41 MPG City & 36 MPG Highway for about $24,000 list then the hybrid rebates off that.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:12 AM on 05/23/2009
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