Gates: Guantanamo "Taint" On U.S. Reputation

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May 22, 2009 04:27 PM EST | AP

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In this photo taken Wednesday, May 13, 2009 and reviewed by the U.S. military, Guantanamo detainees jog at dusk inside the exercise yard at Camp 4 detention facility, at Guantanamo Bay U.S. Naval Base, Cuba. In a speech Thursday, President Barack Obama defended his plans to close the Guantanamo prison camp. (AP Photo/Brennan Linsley)

WASHINGTON — Defense Secretary Robert Gates says the Obama administration had no choice but to order the shutdown of the prison at Guantanamo because "the name itself is a condemnation" of U.S. anti-terrorism strategy. In an interview broadcast Friday on NBC's "Today" show, Gates called the facility on the island of Cuba "probably one of the finest prisons in the world today." But at the same time, he said it had become "a taint" on the reputation of America.

Gates has served both President George W. Bush and now Barack Obama at the Pentagon. In an interview taped Thursday aboard the retired World War II-era aircraft carrier USS Intrepid, the defense secretary said that once the decision was made to close Guantanamo, "the question is, where do you put them?" He said Obama would do nothing to endanger the public and said there has never been an escape from a "super-max" prison in this country.

Of criticism the president's plan would jeopardize people's safety, Gates said: "I think that one of the points ... was that he had no interest whatsoever in releasing publicly detainees who might come back to harm Americans."

Gates said that "we have many terrorists in United States' prisons today," and he decried "fear-mongering about this."

The Gates interview was broadcast a day after Obama and former Vice President Dick Cheney, in speeches that occurred almost simultaneously, escalated the public argument over the new administration's anti-terrorism policy and claims by Republicans that it has put the nation at risk.

Obama campaigned against keeping Guantanamo open when he ran for president, and he also said he was opposed to aggressive interrogation tactics that opponents call torture. When he took office, he signed orders providing for the closure of Guantanamo by January 2010 and he also prohibited extreme interrogation practices, such as "waterboarding," in the country's anti-terrorism strategy.

On Thursday, Obama went to the National Archives, repository of treasured national documents as the Declaration of Independence, Bill of Rights and Constitution, and forcefully defended his decision to close Guantanamo despite resistance from both Democrats and Republicans in Congress. He also said that some of the terror suspects held there would be brought to top-security prisons in the United States.

"There are no neat or easy answers here," Obama said in a speech in which he pledged anew to clean up what he said was "quite simply a mess" at Guantanamo that he had inherited from the Bush administration.

Moments after Obama concluded, Cheney vehemently defended the counterterrorism policies of the Bush administration. He expressed no regrets about actions the Bush White House ordered. And Cheney said that under the same circumstances he would make the same decisions "without hesitation."

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WASHINGTON — Defense Secretary Robert Gates says the Obama administration had no choice but to order the shutdown of the prison at Guantanamo because "the name itself is a condemnation" of U.S. ...
WASHINGTON — Defense Secretary Robert Gates says the Obama administration had no choice but to order the shutdown of the prison at Guantanamo because "the name itself is a condemnation" of U.S. ...
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- devildog21 I'm a Fan of devildog21 45 fans permalink

While Gitmo is certainly a taint on our reputation, the much more important and larger taint is our reluctance to conduct investigations that would lead to prosecution of the Bush administration. The rest of the world is watching and if we don't convict them for their crimes, we will be viewed as nothing more than hypocrites any time we try to lecture another country about human rights.

And hypocrites are exactly what we are if we don't pursue real justice.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:40 AM on 05/22/2009
- Truthahn I'm a Fan of Truthahn 18 fans permalink

Bagram is WORSE than Gitmo, it just hasn't gotten as much publicity yet. Of course you won't see Gates or Obama admit that. They want Bagram to stay up and running.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:36 AM on 05/22/2009

Why is no one asking Cheney to substantiate when all these lives were saved? I for one would never forget the who, when, where of when an action saved "thousands", "tens of thousands" or even "hundreds of thousands" of lives!!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:33 AM on 05/22/2009

Release the memos.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:40 AM on 05/22/2009
- Grunty1 I'm a Fan of Grunty1 229 fans permalink

ALL of the memos, not just Ch3n3y's cherry picked handful.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:01 AM on 05/22/2009
- mcantwell I'm a Fan of mcantwell 553 fans permalink
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He said the use of tor ture prevented attacks and saved lives since 911. He failed to mention that the C I A STOPPED using tor ture, by their own volition, by Spring 2004. From 2004 to Jan 2009 using tor ture DID NOT keep us safe.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:16 AM on 05/22/2009
- jham710 I'm a Fan of jham710 2 fans permalink
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I don't believe a word out of his mouth. If thousands of lives had been saved, we'd have heard about it at the time. There would have been leaks or out right press conferences detailing the foiled plots. They wouldn't have admitted how the plots were foiled, just that they were. Lies, lies, lies....

http://www.thehamandlegsshow.com

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:38 AM on 05/22/2009
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Heh Heh Heh....you said "taint"

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:26 AM on 05/22/2009
- tbirdalum I'm a Fan of tbirdalum 29 fans permalink
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Doc, I take it that you're like me, you've been there a time or two.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:33 PM on 05/22/2009
- mcantwell I'm a Fan of mcantwell 553 fans permalink
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During Gates' interview did he happen to mention this?

"The effort to shut down the facility, however, began during Bush's second term, promoted by Rice and Defense Secretary Robert Gates."

"One of the things that would help a lot is, in the discussions that we have with the states of which they (detainees) are nationals, if we could get some of those countries to take them back," Rice said in a Dec. 12, 2007 , interview with the British Broadcasting Corp. "So we need help in closing Guantanamo ."
http://news.yahoo.com/s/mcclatchy/20090521/pl_mcclatchy/3237981

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:25 AM on 05/22/2009
- judiNJ I'm a Fan of judiNJ 56 fans permalink
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I read that in the NY Times this morning in an editorial by David Brooks (who I only occasionally read). I am beginning to think The Dick is ranting at both Bush AND the President now. Maybe he will just implode and save us all this agony. I don't know about you, but I want to take a shower after hearing this guy.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:38 AM on 05/22/2009
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That is has a short name that is catchy is clearly part of the taint.

Gitmo, it's gotta go.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:22 AM on 05/22/2009
- jubei I'm a Fan of jubei 11 fans permalink
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Keep up the good work Sec Robert Gates 1 of the smart GOP's!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:20 AM on 05/22/2009
- whatthel I'm a Fan of whatthel 290 fans permalink
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Him and Ray LaHood.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:05 AM on 05/22/2009
- WasteNJ I'm a Fan of WasteNJ 30 fans permalink
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Who would have thought having an American Gulag in 2009 would piss people off? What, do they hate freedom?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:20 AM on 05/22/2009
- DSOTM I'm a Fan of DSOTM 104 fans permalink
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Please don't compare the taint I love so much (with my gf) with the taint of gitmo.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:14 AM on 05/22/2009
- kappa08 I'm a Fan of kappa08 85 fans permalink
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the beavis and butthead in me is giggling my a55 off...

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:46 AM on 05/22/2009
- shag11 I'm a Fan of shag11 11 fans permalink

Tell this to your former boss, Dick Cheney.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:56 AM on 05/22/2009
- whatthel I'm a Fan of whatthel 290 fans permalink
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Dick would just say Gates has gone off the rails.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:04 AM on 05/22/2009
- Ping I'm a Fan of Ping 63 fans permalink

He just did.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:13 AM on 05/22/2009
- Rog49Thomas I'm a Fan of Rog49Thomas 192 fans permalink

As opposed of course to the high standards applied at Bagram, the world wide black sites, the practice of sending folks off to our brave allies who are less squeamish than we in the methods they use ....

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:34 AM on 05/22/2009
- harriscrl3 I'm a Fan of harriscrl3 191 fans permalink

A sad day for America when we have to defend closing a torture house.

Carol

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:31 AM on 05/22/2009

Republicans and their swift boat propaganda hate machine want more terrorist attacks against Americans ... that is why they fight closing Gitmo. Terrorism will make Republicans popular again. It is that simple.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:22 AM on 05/22/2009

It worked before. Go for it.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:42 AM on 05/22/2009
- Grunty1 I'm a Fan of Grunty1 229 fans permalink

At least you don't lie that you welcome more terr0rist attacks for your own power base.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:02 AM on 05/22/2009
- mom792 I'm a Fan of mom792 4 fans permalink

Hate to say it, but true.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:49 AM on 05/22/2009
- judiNJ I'm a Fan of judiNJ 56 fans permalink
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That is what is really scaring me. Bad enough to live through both WTC 93 and WTC 02, now I have this fear monger spewing this stuff out that may just invite another attack. Should we start to wonder if he would support it?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:41 AM on 05/22/2009
- tippydog11 I'm a Fan of tippydog11 9 fans permalink

Why have we not used our common sense given to ask this one simple question to cheney?
Has the Iraq war made us one ounce safer? My answer is no not one ounce safer then the day of 2001--- from the real terrorist of 911.

Why America has been fighting the "wrong war", in the "wrong country", and fighting the "wrong enemy" the real terrorist of 911.

Proof truth..America are stilling living in great fear of another terrorist attack which Cheney is fighting hard to say we will be attact again...why cheney? Now we have nucler pointing back at us to boot....

Cheney is the one calling our "CIA liars" more then any America period---proof

Cheney "ignored reports from our America CIA" over again.. proof of that Cheney under minded the greatness of America CIA intelligence seeking his own false info from who or what group behind the scene?

1. CIA report that Ben Laden Al Queda were the master minds of 911--ignored it.for 7 months 2 days..---True Report.... 911 3,000 dead
2. CIA reported ---no link found with Iraq and Al Queda---again Cheney ignored...Report True--right till this day no proof ever has been found--"even with torture" being down in Iraq..but only confirmed more truth it was Al Queda in Afgans Pakis..
3. CIA reported--no WMD in Iraq--Cheney ignored again..Report True--right till this day 8 years later no WMD - found period --8 years later

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:22 AM on 05/22/2009

Well at least Gates is consistent. If releasing photos gives our enemies propaganda material to recruit others ... keeping Guantanamo open would also give our enemies propaganda material to recruit others.

Odd though that the military is so concerned with the heady stuff found in newspapers rather than just the physical muscle of putting combat troops on the ground.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:22 AM on 05/22/2009
- Rog49Thomas I'm a Fan of Rog49Thomas 192 fans permalink

Guerilla war is fundamentally different from conventional war.

The USA excels (at least currently) in conventional war.

Our record in guerilla warfare is pretty much uniformly dismal - the major (but not only exception) is when we were the guerillas during our so-called "Revolutionary War" - though French assistance was critical in the victory.

So there is something to Gates' argument, but I think the real worry here among the elite is that there is a real danger that defendants will bring up the fact that torture is not a phenomenon of 2001-2009 but a much longer operation. And that leads to the "fix". Looking forward.

Also note that the USA's reservations to the International Torture Convention still stand - you remember where we "parsed" the definition of "mental" torture to allow certain practices your government spent over $500 million developing (by some accounts $1 billion)..

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:41 AM on 05/22/2009
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