Mullen: Military to comply if gay ban law changes

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This photo provided by ABC News shows Joint Chiefs Chairman Adm. Michael Mullen during his appearance on the ABC Television show "This Week with George Stephanopoulos", Sunday, May 24, 2009, at the Newseum in Washington. (AP Photo/ABC News, Lauren Victoria Burke)

WASHINGTON — President Barack Obama's top military adviser said Sunday the Pentagon has enough challenges _ including two wars _ without rushing to overturn a decade-old policy that bans gays and lesbians from serving openly in the military and incites political and social factions on both sides.

Adm. Michael Mullen, chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, said he is working on an assessment of what _ if any _ impact overturning "don't ask, don't tell" policies would mean for the military and its culture. In the meantime, the Pentagon plans to follow the existing rules, which say gays and lesbians can serve in the military if they do not disclose their sexuality or engage in homosexual behavior.

"The president has made his strategic intent very clear, that it's his intent at some point in time to ask Congress to change this law," Mullen said. "I think it's important to also know that this is the law, this isn't a policy. And for the rules to change, a law has to be changed."

During his presidential campaign, Obama pledged to overturn the Clinton-era policy and promised that gays and lesbians could serve openly in uniform. But he has made no specific move to do so since taking office in January. He has not set a deadline for repeal, has given the Pentagon no direct orders and has kept Capitol Hill guessing about when he might ask for a change in the law.

Mullen said the military would not start on a timeline until Congress acts.

Obama's go-it-slow approach has drawn criticism from gay rights groups, including activists and fundraisers who met in Dallas to organize a grass-roots lobbying effort to force Obama's hand.

Last week, Obama spokesman Robert Gibbs stood at the White House podium and reiterated the president's eventual goal, although he said the administration was fine with Congress taking the lead on the potentially divisive subject.

"Try as one may, a president can't simply whisk away standing law of the United States of America," Gibbs said. "But if you're going to change the policy, if it is the law of the land, you have to do it through an act of Congress."

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Gibbs' counterpart at the Pentagon issued a similar statement.

Obama's top advisers _ in uniform and in politics _ have urged restraint despite the issue's resonance among the president's left-flank base. They want Obama to move with a deliberate plan that accounts for all potential consequences during wartime.

Retired Marine Gen. James Jones, the White House's national security adviser, said this month he wasn't sure the policy would be overturned.

"We have a lot on our plate right now," he said.

There is concern that reopening the socially and politically divisive question of gays and lesbians in the ranks could place an additional burden on a military stretching to fight wars in Iraq and Afghanistan.

Buying time serves both the Pentagon's desire for caution and Obama's desire not to pick an unnecessary fight. Former President Bill Clinton never fully recovered from his miscues over the gays in the military issue.

Mullen appeared Sunday on ABC's "This Week."

WASHINGTON — President Barack Obama's top military adviser said Sunday the Pentagon has enough challenges _ including two wars _ without rushing to overturn a decade-old policy that bans gays an...
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- JillBond I'm a Fan of JillBond 9 fans permalink
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There is never going to be a "slow time" in which this ridiculous law (DADT) is going to be easily changed. The time to make the change is NOW, it's overdue!

I'm so tired of the cry-baby goverment officials whinning because they have to actually govern and make decisions. They'd rather just go with the status quo and rake in their paychecks. Make some noise people! Demand they get to work!

This is the 21st century! Catch up Washington!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:00 AM on 05/26/2009

Alexander the Great was gay and he conquered the entire known world of the time. Babylon opened its gates to him rather than fight him. So what's the problem?

Who wants to fight the Israeli army? Or the British army or the Dutch. They all kick serious ass on the battlefield, and they don't care if a soldier is gay. So why should anyone else?

This is a total non-issue, stridently sustained by right-wingers who base all their arguments on fear. That's all the right wing has anymore, fear. To paraphrase FDR, "We have nothing to fear but the right-wing fear machine."

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:14 AM on 05/26/2009
- MRb1000 I'm a Fan of MRb1000 11 fans permalink

If you can get 30% of your gay friends to join the military things would change! You are all talking. Yeah other gays are serving their country and you are not helping by standing on the side lines giving lip service. Join the military in overwhelming numbers and things will change. Now this would be called a movement. Until then shut up. You are part of the problem. You are causing you gay counter parts more problems then helping them.

Most of you are just blowing hot air. Do something!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:41 AM on 05/26/2009
- AnotherTry I'm a Fan of AnotherTry 54 fans permalink
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Maybe you could lead by example.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:25 AM on 05/26/2009

There will be a HUGE impact and they don't need to sit at a table discussing it. They need to compile a serious committee, that includes some gay people (perhaps retired military), other soldiers,etc., to see what they need to do to slowly change this policy. Otherwise, IMO, I believe they're putting gays in harm's way and for morale to decline thru all branches of the armed forces.

I talked to soldiers years ago when the DATL policy was under Clinton and there were a lot of men against it. Come on Admiral McMullen, do your homework and do it good but be inclusive when making that decision.

Just because some soldiers are against this doesn't make them not entitled to their opinion. They are, just like you and I.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:45 PM on 05/25/2009
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Back in the '80's, the Homophobic 7th Infantry Division, at Ft. Ord, CA differentiated the Gay Soldiers from the Straight Soldiers.
They made the Gay Soldiers take care of Personal Hygiene matters separately, at a different time.
This, of course IS the Problem.
Differentiating a Gay Soldier from a Straight Soldier.

There are NO gay Soldiers.
There are NO Straight Soldiers.
There is ONLY ONE Soldier. ALL wearing the very same Government Issued Uniforms and Clothing that each and every Soldier wears.
Each Soldier has Dog Tags.
Each Soldier gets a Service Number.
No Soldier is singled-out for different anythings. No Service Number has an asterisk.
ALL the same.
The SAME!

Thanks for sharing, though.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:56 PM on 05/25/2009

Sorry, but showering may make some feel very uncomfortable unless they DON'T know. The truth is the truth and sometimes its hard to swallow.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:47 PM on 05/25/2009
- joemondo I'm a Fan of joemondo 22 fans permalink
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Of course dining with a Jew may make some uncomfortable. Or having to work with those of another race. Some may feel uncomfortable with a woman in a position of authority.

People have a lot of odd outlooks.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:20 PM on 05/25/2009

Someone who is confident in his own sexuality has no reason to feel uncomfortable in anyone's presence at any time. Anyone who feels uncomfortable in the presence of someone of different orientation ought to get some counseling.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:06 AM on 05/26/2009
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I was stationed with the 7th Infantry Division, Ft. Ord, CA in the early 1980sand there were two gay guys in my unit. They participated in the same training we did and when it came to other matters there was an understanding that they would take care of their personal hygiene at a different time than the rest of us. It was a way that we all could co-exist without a lot of static. Everybody knew the deal and nobody had any issues. Nobody got "outed" officially and nobody got kicked out. They were good soldiers and they had friends in the unit that didn't judge. Those two guys did more for the country as soldiers than a lot of loudmouths who never served. When it comes to the brass, a lot of them are products of their environment and think that folks are going to be showing in uniform "tricked out." The brass can't really question the readiness of most gay soldiers because they do the some training and work as everyone else. Getting the job done is the highest priority. However, in dealing with the politics of the issue, it's easier for the brass to keep everyone silent on the subject, than having to actually deal with the issue. While my unit didn't have any problems, this doesn't mean that problems don't occur between gay and straight soldiers. The military is going to take the path of least resistance.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:43 PM on 05/25/2009
- JSDKoeln I'm a Fan of JSDKoeln 3 fans permalink

I appreciate and respect your comment. But do you really feel it is a problem to be in the same shower room as gay people? I am not sure what the big deal is. The ONLY issue I have is that it is implied that every gay is going to be "looking" at the straight guys in the shower room. Honestly, I think It is ridiculous. You probably have no idea how many gay guys are in the shower room at the gym. Just because one is gay doesn't mean he wants to hump every man in sight. We're use to living with 95% of the population that is totally off limits. I think the military needs to give gays a little more credit that that.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:42 AM on 05/26/2009

Exactly! It is a non-issue.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:07 AM on 05/26/2009
- NWBrunette I'm a Fan of NWBrunette 55 fans permalink

"Rushing to overturn a decade-old policy that bans gays and lesbians from serving openly in the military?" You've got to be kidding. Changing this policy has been studied to death in the intervening years, not so as to do anything, but so as to delay. Which is all they're doing now, delaying. Because there are a bunch of powerful homophobes in the military leadership. Well guess what? They aren't the Commander-in-Chief. And when it comes to this issue, its about time ours started acting like one. Besides, in case anybody is so filled with prejudice not to notice, the military happens to desperately need many of the folks its discharging because of this stupid policy.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:11 PM on 05/25/2009
- joemondo I'm a Fan of joemondo 22 fans permalink
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It's a hoot to see people make preposterous arguments about how people in the military can't be made to just get along with one another.

If there's any one thing those in the military need to be good at, it's taking orders. But as the homophobes depict it, those in the military are paranoid crazies who can't follow an order.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:16 PM on 05/25/2009

They may be homophobes and some may be seriously afraid of this life style because they don't know any better. Issues like this must be integrated and not FORCED.

The military was not integrated in one day either. It took years.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:49 PM on 05/25/2009
- joemondo I'm a Fan of joemondo 22 fans permalink
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The high priorities of the two wars are exactly why this ought to be addressed.

DADT wastes resources - both in skilled Gay and Lesbian persons who make a contribution, and the efforts in rooting out and prosecuting them.

How many more skilled Arabic translators and trained officers do we need to lose right when they are needed most?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:44 PM on 05/25/2009
- bobo5 I'm a Fan of bobo5 14 fans permalink

and in the heterosexuals who observe this nonsense and decide there are bettter places to work and leave in disgust.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:49 PM on 05/25/2009
- joemondo I'm a Fan of joemondo 22 fans permalink
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Why do you feel US citizens are less capable of acting like adults than Israelis or the British?

And why do you think people who could tolerate Bush's incompetence can't manage to tolerate getting along with their peers?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:58 PM on 05/25/2009
- furryone I'm a Fan of furryone 19 fans permalink
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the ban against gays in the military did NOT begin with DADT---people need to remember that! this is a deeply ingrained, centuries old prejudice in the American system, and we need to shift the paradigm as well as the policy
and to the people who WRONGLY believe that allowing Americans who happen to desire the same sex to serve would cause rampant lusting after your fellow troops are as ignorant as those who believed that allowing black Americans to serve in intergrated troops would be problematic ... I have news for you, gays are ALREADY serving! last time I checked, there was not a problem with sex-crazed soldiers attacking their fellow troops
oh wait, yes there is---the HETERO males who have been convicted of raping the female soldiers!
http://www.feministing.com/archives/010065.html

so get your facts correct, bigots

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:36 PM on 05/25/2009
- Manx I'm a Fan of Manx 19 fans permalink

So far, Obama, the Commander In Chief, has done everything the generals have told him to do. (Iraq, Afghanistan) The tail is wagging the dog. Commandless In Chief???

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:39 PM on 05/25/2009

So now conservatives are saying that the President listening to actual military experts is a bad thing?

Ludicrous.

If Bush had listened to people knowledgeable on the issues he never would have invaded Iraq in the first place.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:09 PM on 05/25/2009
- anghiari I'm a Fan of anghiari 22 fans permalink

You know for many of us there is this conundrum...I see no where where Gays have come out against racist immigation laws, have never heard of a Gay group in support of affirmative action or equal pay for equal work or fair housing and employment. Was this because they thought those issues too political for Gays as a group to support? Or were Gays too conservative to take a stand on those issues in their closeted lives?

But we all have to be ready to snap to for Gay issues. The problem is that I like many are in full support of Gay marriage, kicking down the don't ask, don't tell laws and any other policy or law that doesn't give gays full citizenship...but where the hell were Gays when everybody else was fighting for their rights and lives? Can somebody answer me that?

And this beat down they are trying to put on Obama is unfair and biased. Let me see the myriad of protests from Frank Rich and the whole Gay lobby to every President who has been elected during a period when these issues were on the table. Frank Rich's rather racist allusion to What LBJ did for black folk with the Civil Rights Act dismisses how many black folks had been lynched, murdered, mutilated and treated inhumanely before that bill got passed. Frank, it took 300 years. White men hate being treated like second class citizens..­..duh...so does everybody else!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:15 PM on 05/25/2009
- joemondo I'm a Fan of joemondo 22 fans permalink
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What an ignorant post.

There has not been a social justice movement that has not included gays and lesbians. That includes struggles for addressing race, poverty, labor and more.

Gay organizations are focused on their missions, just as most organizations are focused on their issues.

I see you like to hang on your cross thinking you own injustice.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:41 PM on 05/25/2009

Thanks for your continuing role in speaking for the "man" and playing the divide and conquer game.

Out here in California we could play that same "blame game" and talk about the hundreds of thousands of black voters who marched to the polls on November 4th to elect Obama President while simultaneously voting to enshrine discrimination against Gays in our State Constitution.

So keep it up.

The only thing you left out was the other meme of denouncing Gay Rights as not as worthy as other groups civil rights.

Admittedly, you did come close by playing the "oppresseder" than thou card.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:49 PM on 05/25/2009

Why are we being censored? This subject needs talking ....

Men don't want to share sleeping quarters with other men who consider them sex objects.

ditto for women.... I don't want to bunk with a lesbian.

that's like letting men in the ladies room...

What is wrong with you people? If gay men are allowed to be themselves they will start hitting on men and the proverbial S+it will hit the fan.... what a terrible idea! Straight military types are NOT going to put up with that.

If you are going to post the story.... why not post ALL opinions?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:38 PM on 05/25/2009
- Paulied I'm a Fan of Paulied 14 fans permalink

It's very likely you should fear no one - man or woman, gay or straight - ever hitting on the likes of you.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:56 PM on 05/25/2009
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Grow a brain!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:52 PM on 05/25/2009
- joemondo I'm a Fan of joemondo 22 fans permalink
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Can you explain how other nations have effective military forces despite the inclusion of gay and lesbian members?

Why do you think British and Israeli are capable but US forces are not?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:46 PM on 05/25/2009

I'd like to read about their policies. I'll bet they're stringent too.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:58 PM on 05/25/2009

Not sure what of your opinions was censored, but perhaps if you were willing to discuss things rationally without devolving to puerile fear mongering, your opinions would get more "airtime" and even some respect?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:05 PM on 05/25/2009
- furryone I'm a Fan of furryone 19 fans permalink
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riiiiiiiight
it was a GAY man who raped all those female soldiers in Iraq....I forgot
--dork nozzle

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:07 PM on 05/25/2009
- Davwbaird I'm a Fan of Davwbaird 22 fans permalink
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Congress can act now. How is it that Obama has to call forth the necessary legislation. He has already stated his position and surely will sign the repeal of the insane law that robs us all.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:41 PM on 05/25/2009
- NWBrunette I'm a Fan of NWBrunette 55 fans permalink

Oh, maybe because during the campaign he ran around the country saying he was a "fierce advocate" for the GLBT community. Some people might have thought that actually meant a little something... maybe... And because he hasn't had the courage to stand up to the military brass who are obvious homophobes.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:33 PM on 05/25/2009
- schatsie I'm a Fan of schatsie 72 fans permalink

Ok, we know that there has been a religious war going on in the Military Accademies as well as rape of the female students.... I wonder if Obama thinks there is more than one problem with the military... you have to remember that all of these officers have been approved by Bush...

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:55 AM on 05/26/2009
- bobo5 I'm a Fan of bobo5 14 fans permalink

Lifting the gay ban will improve the situation for heterosexual women.

Rape and harrassment dropped like a rock after Canada changed its ways.

Otherwise, the sun will rise the next morning and everything will be normal.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:23 PM on 05/25/2009
- Babysnake I'm a Fan of Babysnake 11 fans permalink
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In practice, minorities are still not treated as equals in many places in the country. Probably, in every community...if you would speak with a minority.

Gay rights are a civil rights issue.

Why would anyone wants to deny another human being the same they are free to do?

Based on a book written by sheepherders thousands of years ago?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:17 PM on 05/25/2009
- Weirdwriter I'm a Fan of Weirdwriter 332 fans permalink
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If you're referring to the Bible, how about using a bit of respect, you know, 'cause civil rights includes civility?

And there are plenty of people who are not followers of a Biblical faith who believe homosexuality is wrong. Including groups of heterosexual males who may not be particularly religious but have a problem with the thought of living with gays in barracks.

They're the ones you need to berate, if that helps anything, which it won't.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:40 PM on 05/25/2009

Civil rights is to protect you from discrimination in hiring, where you live, work, etc. However, the civil rights era and the laws that came with that, afforded others to ride in on its coattails. The dirty work of spraying hoses, dog bites, lynching and more doesn't equate to gay rights.

There are millions of men and women in the armed forces and this is a policy that cannot and should not be changed over night. Much discussion is needed.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:01 PM on 05/25/2009
- joemondo I'm a Fan of joemondo 22 fans permalink
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You are misinformed.

Civil rights protect you - more importantly than in housing and employment - from discrimination from government, ensuring legal equality.

Gays are very much second class citizens in the eyes of law and government, today.

The dirty work of queer bashing, discrimination, and having children taken from their parents simply because they are gay goes on today.

And its bad enough that gay teens are driven to suicide and living on the streets at a far greater rate than their heterosexual counterparts.

Anti-gay bigotry is lethal.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:51 PM on 05/25/2009
- Weirdwriter I'm a Fan of Weirdwriter 332 fans permalink
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The fight coming up is this: The GOP and military will claim repealing "don't ask"will cause irreparable harm to the troops and fighting capability. They will base their claim on anecdotal evidence, because they really don't have anything else.

The President and supporters will counter with an actual study by a military man on the actual effect of gays serving in the military.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:51 PM on 05/25/2009
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