Israel To Propose Settlement Compromise To U.S.

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KARIN LAUB | 05/26/09 01:36 PM | AP

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Jewish settlers salvage material from destroyed structures that were demolished last Thursday by Israeli troops, in the West Bank outpost of Maoz Esther, a hilltop site northeast of Ramallah, Tuesday, May 26, 2009. Israel would dismantle nearly two dozen wildcat settlement outposts in the West Bank in the next few weeks if the U.S. drops its objections to continued building in existing, government-sanctioned settlements, officials said. (AP Photo/Tara Todras-Whitehill)

MAALEH ADUMIM, West Bank — Israel scrambled Tuesday to sidestep President Barack Obama's demand for a West Bank settlement freeze with a diluted counteroffer to Washington.

But Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu's compromise _ to take down some squatter camps in exchange for permission to keep building in established settlements _ was quickly rejected by hard-liners in his own coalition.

The dispute underscored Netanyahu's difficult juggling act. He's trying to avert a crisis with the U.S. over settlements, while keeping his pro-settlement governing coalition intact and forging ahead with construction, such as the rows of apartment blocks going up in this rapidly expanding Israeli city in the West Bank.

However, Obama and U.S. Secretary of State Hillary Rodham Clinton have spoken in recent days about halting all settlement activity without exception, suggesting Netanyahu may have little room to bargain.

Also, the 2003 "roadmap" for peace negotiations, which Israel accepted, bans all construction in settlements and orders the removal of the outposts.

Cutting a deal with Israel on settlements could also hurt Obama's credibility and key policy goals, including improving U.S. relations with the Arab world and moving toward the creation of a Palestinian state in a Mideast peace deal. There was no immediate reaction from Washington.

Palestinian President Mahmoud Abbas is putting settlements at the center of his talks with Obama at the White House on Thursday, and has said he won't resume peace talks without a freeze.

Without a moratorium on settlements, Obama could also have a tough time persuading Arab countries to take his suggestion and begin moving toward normalizing relations with Israel.

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Continued construction could also close the door to a two-state solution, defined by Obama as a key U.S. interest. Nearly half a million Israelis have moved into homes built during the last four decades on land the Palestinians want for their state.

However, some supporters of a two-state solution argue that Obama is wasting political capital on the interim step of a freeze, and should focus on getting quickly to a peace deal that would determine the fate of the settlements by drawing Israel's permanent borders.

The U.S. has long criticized settlements as obstacles to peace but never succeeded in getting Israel to halt construction, which continued even during periods of peace negotiations. More than 3,200 apartments were being built in the West Bank in 2008, and the Israeli settlement monitor Peace Now says 6,000 more units are in various stages of planning.

Currently, nearly 300,000 Israelis live in the West Bank, in addition to some 180,000 in east Jerusalem, the Palestinians' would-be capital.

Maaleh Adumim, near Jerusalem, has grown from a hilltop outpost in 1975 into a city of 35,000, complete with shopping mall and industrial zone.

At a sprawling construction site on the settlement's eastern edge, laborers erected scaffolding on a recent morning, with the pounding of hammers echoing across the Judean Desert.

Apartment sales are brisk, said an employee in an on-site sales office, adding that five contractors have projects in Maaleh Adumim with hundreds of units going up.

One contractor, Electra Construction, is building 52 apartments. Israela Peer, a customer service representative, said nearly all have been sold, at 1.1 million shekels _ about $275,000 _ for a five-room apartment. That is $50,000 less than a comparable property in central Israel.

Successive Israeli governments have said they need to keep building to accommodate "natural growth" for families to have children or for the adult offspring of settlers to buy homes near their parents.

"If in a certain community there are another 14 kids next year of kindergarten age and we have to open them a new kindergarten _ what's the big deal?" Defense Minister Ehud Barak said this week.

Such arguments may not go over well with the Americans. In a TV interview, Clinton specifically said the U.S. opposes construction for "natural growth."

Netanyahu and Barak came up with their counter proposal in recent days, according to Israeli officials who spoke on condition of anonymity because they were not authorized to brief reporters.

Their plan is to promise to dismantle 22 wildcat settler outposts over the next few weeks, in exchange for the U.S. dropping its demand for a freeze, the officials said. Barak is to present the idea in Washington next week.

Israeli Foreign Minister Avigdor Lieberman dismissed Netanyahu's proposal Tuesday, saying Israel should not take any action until it has devised a comprehensive plan for tackling its problems with its neighbors.

"I promise you, no outposts will be dismantled tomorrow, and not two weeks from now," he told Army Radio.

Settler leader Dani Dayan said he believes Netanyahu can be deterred from dismantling most outposts and warned that a freeze would bring down the government.

MAALEH ADUMIM, West Bank — Israel scrambled Tuesday to sidestep President Barack Obama's demand for a West Bank settlement freeze with a diluted counteroffer to Washington. But Prime Minister B...
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So let me get this straight their compromise is. Continue stealing land, in exchange for not stealing other land? This is why we need a One state solution, neither the Israelis or the Palestinians have shown they can Govern that area of the country fairly, maybe turn it over to China.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:19 PM on 05/26/2009
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...and at the same time Lieberman wants Israeli Arabs to swear they support israel as a "Jew" state, otherwise they'll be more discriminated or, as proposed by the same minister, they'll be stripped of their Israeli citizenship

someone has opened the cages down there, this is actually one of the most racist governments on earth

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:10 PM on 05/26/2009

however, Israel does not propose pushing anyone into the sea, or making public statements to wipe them off the face of the earth...if that counts for anything

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:32 PM on 05/26/2009

Nope, it doesn't count for too much considering Israel's actions have cause the deaths of thousands upon thousands of Palestinians.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:47 PM on 05/26/2009
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It counts for millions of people worldwide

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:04 PM on 05/26/2009
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Distortion:
Israel does not propose pushing anyone into the sea...

Correction:
...Avigdor Lieberman, who opposed an amnesty by saying: "It would be better to drown these prisoners in the Dead Sea if possible, since that's the lowest point in the world."
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2003/jul/25/israel

Distortion:
...or making public statements to wipe them off the face of the earth..

Correction:
In 2002, Lieberman declared, "I would not hesitate to send the Israeli army into all of Area A [the area of the West Bank ostensibly under Palestinian Authority control] for 48 hours. Destroy the foundation of all the authority's military infrastructure, all of the police buildings, the arsenals, all the posts of the security forces... not leave one stone on another. Destroy everything­." He also suggested to the Israeli cabinet that the air force systematically bomb all the commercial centers, gas stations and banks in the occupied territories (The Independent, March 7, 2002)

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:06 PM on 05/26/2009

Israel is the only one ACTUALLY PUSHING ANYONE INTO THE Sea (or Jordan river).

Israel has sent 500,000 settlers (and growing every year) outside their borders, displacing millions of Palestinians, and making the lives of millions of Palestinians so awful in the process in order to INSPIRE them to leave, even if they were not physically MOVED by the settlers, as MANY have been.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:19 PM on 05/26/2009
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However, iran has never attacked another country in its history, while Israel has recently bombed Lebanon, Syria and even Sudan and Iraq, none of these attacked Israel first, Syria and Sudan didn't attack it at all

It's to be noted that Israel occupies also the Golan Eights and refuses to give it back to Syria saying they need that land to "protect" themselves from Syrian attacks

hilariously they've protested with lebanon Buying anti-aircraft missiles, saying it's a "menace" to israeli air force operation, so it seems Lebanon and Hezbollah are evil because they don't want Israeli air force to bomb freely their country

agreeing with this ill reasoning, would mean that Israel should be stripped of its whole arsenal, as its neighbours can demonstrate what a "menace" they represent

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:31 PM on 05/26/2009
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I can't imagine anything more preposterous that expecting at least 20%of the population to swear allegience to a govt that doesn't include them in its overall vision of society, its mission, its ideologies, its history, & is bent on demolishing their homes, stealing the land underneath & building new housing which excludes them!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:39 PM on 05/26/2009
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Israeli compromise:

We build settlements. Palestinians leave.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:08 PM on 05/26/2009
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Succinct.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:08 PM on 05/26/2009
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Not going to happen.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:34 PM on 05/26/2009
- who38 I'm a Fan of who38 67 fans permalink

Works for the Israeli occupiers.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:20 AM on 05/27/2009
- zaz33 I'm a Fan of zaz33 32 fans permalink

An issue that's not being talked about is water. As I understand it, Israel cannot survive on the water resources within the 67 borders.

Water availibility

1, The aquifer under Gaza, which Israel was drawing from, has become salinated and of no further value.

2. The Jordan river has become polluted and the resources in the industrialized area north of Tel Aviv has also deteriorated.

3. Israel is taking some water from the occupied Golan Heights.

4. Israel is presently getting 30% of it's water from the aquifer under the occupied West Bank. If the West Bank became a sovereign Palistinian state, Israel woud have to purchase the water. (if availible)

5, The Litani river in southern Lebanon may be he most important. Hezbollah is preventing Israel access to this river. This may explain the obsession with the Iranian connection to Hezbollah. (which is probablyexagerated)

The peaceful solution is for the region to come together with plans to conserve and share.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:05 PM on 05/26/2009
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Very insightful. Where did you learn all of this?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:18 PM on 05/26/2009
- zaz33 I'm a Fan of zaz33 32 fans permalink

aaronr2000 - I'm retired and have time to visit quite a few alternative and independent sites.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:58 PM on 05/26/2009

If the world needed any more proof that Israel doesnt want peace.

Israelis just want the Palestinian land and resources without the awkward complications of a resident Palestinian population.

The settlers will never negotiate:

http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=e1842edc4f,

Theyre extremists and the worst that Israel has to offer.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:48 PM on 05/26/2009
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Perhaps I am just a dullard again today,...

But shouldn't the government of Israel be proposing compromises to the Palestinians? How do we get a real say in their internal affairs?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:44 PM on 05/26/2009
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It's because the Palestinians and Israeli leaders are not talking to each other right now. So, they speak through other world leaders - mostly US.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:51 PM on 05/26/2009
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Well as long as we're writing big checks to help them buy the guns they point at people, we probably feel like we at least get to offer an opinion as to whether they're pointing them at the right people.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:23 PM on 05/26/2009
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that's an interesting idea - give the West Bank back to Jordan! ANd while you are at it, give Gaza back to Egypt. Interesting to see what would happen then.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:44 PM on 05/26/2009

The West Bank and Gaza is not Israels to give away to random countries. It doesnt belong to them.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:00 PM on 05/26/2009
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Doris - Is that your peace plan ? - If not, please elaborate on your peace plan.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:24 PM on 05/26/2009
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While I find Bibi's proposal to be abhorrent, and drastically out of line with what most Israeli's support , its important to remember that his election is a reaction to Israelis feeling hopeless, like peace is impossible, and like their palestinian neighbors(­particular­ly in Gaza, where Hamas was elected) are more interested in bloodshed than negotiations. Bibi in the past supported a 2 state solution, and, Yitzhak Rabin, Ehud Barak, Shimon Perez, as well as Olmert all supported it unequivically

One should not judge a 100 year old conflict by a reactionary politician.

That said, this proposal is crap

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:38 PM on 05/26/2009
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there needs to be a civil "war" between those "what most Israeli's support" people and the settlers. They certainly seem at odds with each other and the settlers are controlling things right now even though they are in the minority. Soon, they will be the majority if you don't watch out.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:53 PM on 05/26/2009
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There nearly was during the "Orange Revolution" that took place in response to Disengagem­ent(evacua­tion) from Gaza

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:35 PM on 05/26/2009
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I guess slaughtering children would make anyone feel hopeless.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:17 PM on 05/26/2009
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So. By your logic, the people of Israel elected Bibi because it's been so difficult to get peace, and he was the best choice, because he does not support peacemaking measures, but measures that will only anger the Palestinians more. But, we should feel sorry for them because they're "hopeless," unlike those Palestinians who are chock full of hope, have never had land stolen or family killed by Israel. Yet, they're violently angry at Israel for absolutely no reason whatsoever--they just hate Jews and love being killy.

P.S. 100 year old conflict? What happened in 1909?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:23 PM on 05/26/2009
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1909? Are you kidding? Its when Jews began moving to what was then a British Mandate and began buying land and starting farm communities, right around the time of the late 1800 Russian pogroms and the Dreyfus trial. Its the beginning of modern zionism. So yes, 100 years of this situation has been building.

By my logic, Israelis elected Bibi by a tiny majority (I believe less than 10%) and the group that elected him fears, not hopes, but fears, that peace is no longer possible, and is unachievable. Fear for safety, and fear of peace being unachievable(as various attempts including Oslo 1, Oslo 2, the Roadmap, and Annapolis have all failed) and that they must simple try and make their country as "secure as possible"

I'm not saying I agree with that, but merely that its important to understand Israeli frustration, fear and hopelessness, if one is to understand the conflict, and hope to solve it. PALESTINIAN fear, frustration, hopelessness, anger and whatever else, must also be taken into account. I have never said Palestinian concerns were not legitimate, and believe them to be equally important.

The point, is not to judge the entire conflict by Bibi. I wouldn't judge the history of the US by George Bush, either. But understanding why Bibi(who I in NO WAY support) got elected, is critical to mediating the ongoing conflict.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:22 AM on 05/27/2009

Israel is playing for time and is happy with a conflict management. They need no real peace. The reason being that they are getting more money from US tax payers right now. So why risk anything for a peace-deal ?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:35 PM on 05/26/2009
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Wow, way to ignor a solid twenty years of Israeli History. What about Yitzhak Rabin? and Ehud Barak?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:40 PM on 05/26/2009
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Yitzhak Rabin:
Assasinated by Jewish settlers.

Ehud Barak:
Responsible for Operation Cast Lead war crimes.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:12 PM on 05/26/2009
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It should be no surprise that the Natanyahu would never support a two state solution. The last time he was in power he dragged his feet and stalled all negotiations. There will be no progress while he is Prime Minister. The question is what will Obama do? So far no American president has been able defy the Israelis. I seriously doubt that even Obama can. I believe the future is yet another round of wars and violence and more radicalization in the Arab and Islamic world. It is very bleak.

The Israelis seem to focus on Iran, but I believe the one to watch is Egypt. Mubarak who has been in power since 1981 is in his 80's and the question is who will replace him. Unlike Iran, Egypt is a front line state with Israel with a population over 80 million. Time is running out.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:35 PM on 05/26/2009
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Yet another "compromise" on the part of the Israeli govt to safeguard what they refer to as "natural growth"? But really same old. More lies to cover theft in Palestine. Inevitably, the ultimate solution will be one man/one woman vote for all regardless of ethnicity, religion, point of origin. How could any morally responsible individual really want to live, to raise his or her family in anything resembling what the state of Israel is allowing itself to become? (With the help of our foolish Congress, of course!) I don't want to see my tax dollars continuing to build an Aparthied totalitarian state in the Holy Land that secures rights & privileges for one group only within its society.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:42 AM on 05/26/2009
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I agree with you 110% on the matter of one person, one vote.

As heinous as the IDFs behavior has been under the direction of the far-right governments, one must IMHO remember that there is blood and skillduggery on both sides of this issue:

http://www.hrw.org/en/news/2009/04/20/gaza-hamas-should-end-killings-torture

Leland R. Erickson

Citizen

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:05 PM on 05/26/2009
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Who has 100% of the power in this equation?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:47 PM on 05/26/2009
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Think about it. Our tax money goes to support Jewish-only roads, theft, the not-so-subtle expression of apartheid, over-the-top military offenses against some of the poorest people in the world who've never done anything to us.

We'd never, ever accept this in this country in this day and age. Why is it acceptable to financially support it in another country? I'm not just talking about Israel either, we financially support regimes that do some of the most heinous things. I think we refuse to believe that Israel is almost as extreme as many other backward countries because they're our "allies" and are "Western."

Not to mention, we can't even pay for health care here, what business do we have sending 3-4 billion to Israel? 2-3 billion to Egypt?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:32 AM on 05/26/2009

Boycott. Divest. Sanction.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:52 PM on 05/26/2009

The answer to that should be a flat no. It's not as if Israel hasn't known our policy on settlements. Time for the U.S. to act in its own interests.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:17 AM on 05/26/2009
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this sounds like the kind of psuedo compromise that obama has the stones for...

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:07 AM on 05/26/2009
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1. The illegal outposts will probably be rebuilt as they have been in the past.

2. Netayahoo is right - Lieberman can bring down the "too liberal" government at any time.

3. It appears to me that Israeli leadership is unable or unwilling to see Israel 20 or 30 years from now. Palistinians are breeding 3 to 1 over Jews and the Jewish population is declining. The current plan seems to be a non sovereign West Bank with more settlers. Palistinian freedom will depend on a lack of resistance and Fatah as Israel's police. I don't think the Palistinians will accept a peace plan under these circumstances. (there are already splits and conflict within Fatah)

Peres and Livni have both spoken of the urgency for a two state solution NOW, but the courage, will, and interest are lacking in this government. (and propably future governments ) This is why many of us believe that while the two state solution is not the preferred, it will be inevitable.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:56 AM on 05/26/2009
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Best remember that there is blood on both sides of this argument:

http://www.hrw.org/en/news/2009/04/20/gaza-hamas-should-end-killings-torture

IMHO the only viable solution to prevent Israel from becoming just another failed state is one-person, one vote, messy as that may be.

A two-state solution may be a good start, but otherwise it will IMHO be just a band-aid over a very deep and infected wound.

Leland R. Erickson

Citizen

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:02 PM on 05/26/2009
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