Dem Senators Open To Allowing Innocent Chinese Detainees To Live In U.S.

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First Posted: 05-27-09 04:45 PM   |   Updated: 05-27-09 07:52 PM

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Members of Congress from both parties have been climbing over each other lately to be the most forceful opponent of transferring Guantanamo Bay detainees to prisons in their home states.

But a group of 17 Chinese Muslims have been cleared by the Bush administration and aren't looking for a prison to lock them up -- they need a community to take them in.

The Huffington Post asked senators how they'd deal with what should be a simpler problem but politically could be more difficult: What about the Uighurs?

"This has just been such a horrible situation for these people," said Sen. Dick Durbin (Ill.), the third-ranking Democrat. "They have been pilloried by people on the floor of the Senate, but most believe, most people I have heard from suggest that they should be returned, but the question is no one will take them."

Why won't we take them?

"I don't know. We may be in a position where that will be considered, but I leave that up to the administration. I just don't know," he said.

Several senators began answers with the premise that the Uighurs were not a threat, but transitioned while they spoke to keeping them in prison.

"I think anybody who is declared not to be a threat is not. We have plenty of places to hold people. We have maximum-security prisons that nobody is ever going to get out of. That's just a fact," said North Dakota Democrat Byron Dorgan.

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"There are going to be detainees that are not going to be able to be tried, for whatever reasons, and are going to have to be released. The question is where. And I think that's an issue that we need to talk about, because in some cases their native countries are not accepting them for whatever reasons. I think there are more options than just the United States, and I think we need to look at all the options," said Sen. Ben Cardin, a Democrat who represents Maryland, a state neighboring the Northern Virginia Uighur community that has volunteered to take them.

"I would not exclude the United States," said Cardin.

"I'm open to discussion on that. I don't know enough details to know," said Sen. Sherrod Brown (D-Ohio).

Sens. John McCain (Ariz.) and Lindsey Graham (S.C.) are the leading Republican theorists on detention policy in the Senate. Both said the Uighur situation could only be resolved by the implementation of a comprehensive policy that covered all detainees.

"There's no policy. Again, we've got to have a policy," said McCain. "I'd be willing to negotiate with the White House to try to work out all these issues."

Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid (D-Nev.) had taken a hard line on detainees earlier last week, saying that none could be transferred to the United States, not even to prisons. He dialed that back a bit in a recent interview with the Las Vegas Sun.

But the best he would do is say the Uighurs "probably" don't belong in maximum security prison.

"There's no question that a number of these people who are there are not guilty of anything. The Uighurs, these are a group of Muslim Chinese who are guilty of nothing. They were arrested, put in there. They are there. They are doing nothing. We're going to have to find someplace to put them. We can't send them back to China. Should they go into a maximum-security prison? Probably not," he said.

The Uighurs themselves aren't optimistic that they'll be released anytime soon, they told their translator recently. "If we are the innocent ones from day one -- and for the past six years, and the government knew we were innocent -- if we are still here, how he is going to deal with the 240 prisoners and shut down the base by next January?" their translator says they wonder. "They're a little bit skeptical about it actually happening."


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Members of Congress from both parties have been climbing over each other lately to be the most forceful opponent of transferring Guantanamo Bay detainees to prisons in their home states. But a gro...
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- FairTalk I'm a Fan of FairTalk 18 fans permalink
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Anyone who imagines that the gitmo Uighurs are "innocent" of training at Tora Bora camps for the purpose of planing terror attacks had been drinking too much cool aid. Did we send our young men to Afghanistan after 911 so the terrorists they capture can later be turned loose in the USA? Please. Send them to China where they will get a fair trial, which is more than they were planing to give the innocent victims in China that they were planing to blow up.

Uighurs trained with Abdul Haq

Risky Business [Cliff May]

Abdul Haq is a member of al-Qaeda’s elite Shura Council. He has plotted terrorist attacks. We know this because just last month the Treasury Department designated Abdul Haq a terrorist affiliated with al-Qaeda (and with the Taliban as well).

Abdul Haq also was the leader and trainer of the Uighurs detained at Gitmo. We know this because many of the Uighur detainees have acknowledged it.

So, on this basis, can we conclude that it would be neither safe nor sensible to say that Uighurs trained and led by al-Qaeda leader/trainer Abdul Haq pose no danger and should be released?

Yes, we can — but we’d be in sharp disagreement with Judge Richard M. Urbina and, based on his October 17, 2008 opinion in the D.C. District Court, with President Obama who says “there is no legitimate reason to hold” the al-Qaeda-trained Uighurs.

http://corner.nationalreview.com/post/?q=M2ZjMzQzOWZkNzQzYzg5ZjkzNWZlOTQ5MjJkNTM1ZGE=

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:34 PM on 05/29/2009
- johnie2xs I'm a Fan of johnie2xs 61 fans permalink
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The Democrats need a leader in the Senate with nads. Reid has no nads.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:06 AM on 05/28/2009
- FairTalk I'm a Fan of FairTalk 18 fans permalink
    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:45 PM on 05/28/2009
- annie g I'm a Fan of annie g 26 fans permalink

I believe the only reason anyone on the Right in Congress does not want to close Guantanamo is simply because they want to be sure that Obama fails and using it as a wedge issue. The Right does not care about doing the right thing for America because they show it everyday. To say that we should not bring these detainees to the United States because they are bad people, does not say much about our prisons and the rule of law. Why not just give them back to Bush and Cheney. They are the ones that brought this problem to the United States because they did not have a plan. As Bush stated, "I'll leave it to the next Administration". Yet now all the Right wants to do is blame Obama for their failures. Regardless of whether these detainees are there or on our soil is not going to matter in the long run because Cheney's mantra is that we will be attacked again.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:02 AM on 05/28/2009
- FairTalk I'm a Fan of FairTalk 18 fans permalink
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The far right, red meat Republicans and the human rights Democrats agree on one thing, pinky commies states are bad, and we sholud support terrorists to attack them, and when they get caught give them asylim in the US.

The plan to release these Chinese Uighur millitants into VA was going fine, until senators 1, found out about the plan, and 2, government officials realized that thousands, if not millions of citizens know the Uighurs were al Q trained, and caught only when the US bombed Tora Bora.

The human rights propaganda machine may have shut down the MSM, and limited the availability of correct information out there, but, in the end, we can ferrit it out.
But Beijing is increasingly concerned about the Pakistani insurgency, in part because Muslim separatists from the northwestern Chinese region inhabited by Uighurs have trained in Pakistani camps and then returned to China.

Officials in Beijing also are concerned because of recurrent kidnappings and killings of Chinese workers in Pakistan. China has repeatedly pressed the Pakistani government to better protect its citizens.

http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/nation/la-fg-us-china-pakistan25-2009may25,0,6047766.story

When senators, left and right get caught with their pants down, ther'e the first to cast stones at one another.

I also wonder how we can continue to "ask" China to help us wqith terrorists who attack the US and our "alies" when we continue to give santuary to those "combatants" who plan and use terror against China?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:56 PM on 05/28/2009
- RTIII I'm a Fan of RTIII 72 fans permalink


It's REID that we should be rid of - as soon as possible.

Remember to donate generously to his opponent in the Democratic PRIMARY.
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    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:36 AM on 05/28/2009
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Second the motion. Broom the cowardly weakling.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:31 PM on 05/28/2009
- 1dogs2 I'm a Fan of 1dogs2 121 fans permalink

Who would have guessed that Americans, so proud of American "exceptionalism," would be so irrational and terrified that they would refuse to take even a baby step toward atoning for the sin of locking up innocents for years and years by giving them safe haven in "exceptional" America? It's okay with me if the Uighurs become my next door neighbors.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:05 AM on 05/28/2009
- studioh! I'm a Fan of studioh! 5 fans permalink

This is such a bogus argument. They are already on a US base - it just happens to be in a "friendly" country! They are already in US courts. They are already in US prisons. Get real, representatives.
The idea of holding and trying enemy combatants was ill-thought and illegal. Enough erosion of US due process and Constitutional principles.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:53 AM on 05/28/2009
- jeffp26 I'm a Fan of jeffp26 25 fans permalink
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We could put all of the detainees in the most expensive seats in the new Yankee Stadium.

No one uses them, and they won't be close to anyone either.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:44 AM on 05/28/2009
- Chris I'm a Fan of Chris 12 fans permalink

Hwo can they live int he US if they ar ento US nationals or on visa?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:49 AM on 05/28/2009

well they definitely can't go back to China.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:27 AM on 05/28/2009
- FairTalk I'm a Fan of FairTalk 18 fans permalink
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Why the heck not? Let them stand trial.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:57 PM on 05/28/2009
- jetphixer I'm a Fan of jetphixer 8 fans permalink

In the eyes of boosh they are goners cause they are not Jesus freeks. Now to get them in the right frame of mind we could crucify them That would show them what happened to Ole JC and ill bet they would become good Christians than. These guys crime was being Islamic How sick are we as a Nation.. ?? Suppression of America will come wrapped in a flag covered cross!!!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:25 AM on 05/28/2009
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Flip flopping away.

Flip flopping away.

The closer the fund raiser, the more Reid flip flops away!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:14 AM on 05/28/2009
- nowarpleez I'm a Fan of nowarpleez 28 fans permalink
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Why would they want to live in this country?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:44 AM on 05/28/2009
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reid:

release them in the US
no dont release them in the US
release them in the US

barry

close gitmo
no dont close gitmo
close gitmo

Hhaaa Hhaaa

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:34 AM on 05/28/2009
- FairTalk I'm a Fan of FairTalk 18 fans permalink
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Wow! These guys are not fooling around. No wonder the Chinese want to extradite those Uyghur millitants. http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/south_asia/8071307.stm

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:51 AM on 05/28/2009
- GeoLee I'm a Fan of GeoLee 52 fans permalink

with al the technology developed by our NSC to spy on people, I would think they could be released in this country and kept under surveillance anywhere they went. I wold not be surprised if the implanted them in much the same ways dogs and birds are..

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:27 AM on 05/28/2009
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