Dem Senators Open To Allowing Innocent Chinese Detainees To Live In U.S.

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First Posted: 05-27-09 04:45 PM   |   Updated: 05-27-09 07:52 PM

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Members of Congress from both parties have been climbing over each other lately to be the most forceful opponent of transferring Guantanamo Bay detainees to prisons in their home states.

But a group of 17 Chinese Muslims have been cleared by the Bush administration and aren't looking for a prison to lock them up -- they need a community to take them in.

The Huffington Post asked senators how they'd deal with what should be a simpler problem but politically could be more difficult: What about the Uighurs?

"This has just been such a horrible situation for these people," said Sen. Dick Durbin (Ill.), the third-ranking Democrat. "They have been pilloried by people on the floor of the Senate, but most believe, most people I have heard from suggest that they should be returned, but the question is no one will take them."

Why won't we take them?

"I don't know. We may be in a position where that will be considered, but I leave that up to the administration. I just don't know," he said.

Several senators began answers with the premise that the Uighurs were not a threat, but transitioned while they spoke to keeping them in prison.

"I think anybody who is declared not to be a threat is not. We have plenty of places to hold people. We have maximum-security prisons that nobody is ever going to get out of. That's just a fact," said North Dakota Democrat Byron Dorgan.

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"There are going to be detainees that are not going to be able to be tried, for whatever reasons, and are going to have to be released. The question is where. And I think that's an issue that we need to talk about, because in some cases their native countries are not accepting them for whatever reasons. I think there are more options than just the United States, and I think we need to look at all the options," said Sen. Ben Cardin, a Democrat who represents Maryland, a state neighboring the Northern Virginia Uighur community that has volunteered to take them.

"I would not exclude the United States," said Cardin.

"I'm open to discussion on that. I don't know enough details to know," said Sen. Sherrod Brown (D-Ohio).

Sens. John McCain (Ariz.) and Lindsey Graham (S.C.) are the leading Republican theorists on detention policy in the Senate. Both said the Uighur situation could only be resolved by the implementation of a comprehensive policy that covered all detainees.

"There's no policy. Again, we've got to have a policy," said McCain. "I'd be willing to negotiate with the White House to try to work out all these issues."

Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid (D-Nev.) had taken a hard line on detainees earlier last week, saying that none could be transferred to the United States, not even to prisons. He dialed that back a bit in a recent interview with the Las Vegas Sun.

But the best he would do is say the Uighurs "probably" don't belong in maximum security prison.

"There's no question that a number of these people who are there are not guilty of anything. The Uighurs, these are a group of Muslim Chinese who are guilty of nothing. They were arrested, put in there. They are there. They are doing nothing. We're going to have to find someplace to put them. We can't send them back to China. Should they go into a maximum-security prison? Probably not," he said.

The Uighurs themselves aren't optimistic that they'll be released anytime soon, they told their translator recently. "If we are the innocent ones from day one -- and for the past six years, and the government knew we were innocent -- if we are still here, how he is going to deal with the 240 prisoners and shut down the base by next January?" their translator says they wonder. "They're a little bit skeptical about it actually happening."


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Hey...What happened to freedomscap?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:37 PM on 05/27/2009

She's the girl with the afro

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:40 PM on 05/27/2009

LMAO!

Angela D. LIVES!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:43 PM on 05/27/2009
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Slavica: "If Obama wont end the wa r or wiretapping or the patriot act or indefinite detentions and the other 100 things he wont change"

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Silly. he changed the c.rashing economy from a DEPRESSION scenario to a soft landing. That's a pretty big one.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:36 PM on 05/27/2009
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cha ching

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:37 PM on 05/27/2009
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who is calling it a soft landing...­.LOL

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:39 PM on 05/27/2009
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My newspaper today was full of good news

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:44 PM on 05/27/2009
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Paul Krugman.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:13 PM on 05/27/2009

How did he do that ....? by giving the banks 14 trillion ..? and adding 15% to the defense budget ?

oh sorry and the 90 billion more for ir aq

is this how cause ..the future doesnt look so good to me ...

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:39 PM on 05/27/2009
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An expensive SAVE, yes; but a great save nonetheless. Remember who broke the system whilst whining about the cost to save it.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:46 PM on 05/27/2009
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Probably would have happened on its own, and weeded out the bad players, but we will never know.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:39 PM on 05/27/2009
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Ha ha ha ..........­..........­...you funny! Want a cookie?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:44 PM on 05/27/2009
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buying speculation is for suckers

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:16 PM on 05/27/2009
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Huge

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:39 PM on 05/27/2009

Dr. Sam Vaknin is a world authority on narcissism. Vaknin says that Obama's language, posture and demeanor, and the testimonies of his closest, dearest and nearest suggest that the Senator is either a narcissist or he may have narcissistic personality disorder.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:35 PM on 05/27/2009
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Zzzzzzzzzz­zzzzzzzzzz­zzzzzz'z

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:37 PM on 05/27/2009
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that will make a great President

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:37 PM on 05/27/2009
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World authority on narcissism. Perfecting it, I'd say.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:39 PM on 05/27/2009
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Wow....tha­t is almost as reliable as a Sylvia Browne analysis.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:39 PM on 05/27/2009
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The libs seem more lost than usual tonight, which in itself is extraordinary.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:34 PM on 05/27/2009
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But not too lost to have orgasams!

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Barry made a 'kiIIer speech' on Thursady. Oooo the Iibs were having orgasams, then along comes Palin and even ehre at Huf f po, the Bastion og obammydom, Palin has stolen the show. Does anybody know what Barry did since Thursday? But you all know everything Palin did since Friday. Barry who?
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    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:37 PM on 05/27/2009
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I understand you were talking about me all weekend... while I completely forgot you exist...

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:40 PM on 05/27/2009
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how so? Certainly not the conservatives and Libertarians trashing about the last few months

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:39 PM on 05/27/2009
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no....if they are innocent let them go.....It'­s quite simple really

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:39 PM on 05/27/2009
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"My mou th feels like Bob Dylan's been sle eping in it." -- Elvis Presley

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:44 PM on 05/27/2009
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Really? How so?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:44 PM on 05/27/2009
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OT. A women playing craps for only second time in her life bought $100 in chips at Atlantic City Casino last night. when it was her turn, she rolled for 4 and 30 minutes without having to pass the dice......­pretty cool

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:32 PM on 05/27/2009
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Craps, she was on a roll!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:35 PM on 05/27/2009
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Supposedly it is a record and they would not say how much casino lost or how much she won.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:37 PM on 05/27/2009
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Integer probability is sort of wonderous, until you get into the real number insanity.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:35 PM on 05/27/2009
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but you're not...

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:36 PM on 05/27/2009
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wow.....sn­appy....re­ached deep into the tool box for that zinger

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:40 PM on 05/27/2009

We weren't obligated to give US residency to thousands of German and Italian POWs held in the US under the Geneva Convention during WWII. Just because we (or our allies) spared their lives on the battlefield doesn't mean we are obligated to bypass US immigration law.

The Urghurs travelled to the lawless area of the Pakistan/A­fghanistan border to train with Al Qaeda. They got their on their own accord, we can place them back in Afghanistan where they went to escape the Chinese mainland.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:31 PM on 05/27/2009
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good point.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:48 PM on 05/27/2009
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In the late 1970's when the US-Gov (CIA) rounded up Middle East people into Afghan, training and supplying them (as Freedom Fighters) to "give Russia their Vietnam", they were called Mujihadeen.
After many Afghan citizens died in this US-Gov initiated war against the 'godless Russia', many of these men changed organization names as fast as the CIA changed them. The Mujihadeen became Taliban, and the Taliban became Al Qaeda.
It is amazing how easy it is for the US-Gov to find patsies to go off to a 'just war' and kill 'enemies' that the US-Gov set up in the first place.
Not withstanding, many of these Middle East men thought they were fighting a godless people, signs today may find their idea's not all that far afield.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:13 PM on 05/27/2009

Is there a point here?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:28 AM on 05/30/2009
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I hope we can quietly release these people with out everyone getting racist and nasty about it but i doubt that will happen!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:27 PM on 05/27/2009
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Uighurs: Fight For Freedom From Authoritarianism

Gardner Bovingdon is an expert on the Uighurs at Indiana University in Bloomington. He says that Uighur political views run the gamut from Islamism to nationalism, peaceful to violent resistance, and autonomy to independence. But Beijing commonly lumps all of these views under its definition of terr0rism.

"The war on terr0r dramatically changed the playing field for anti-state movements around the world, because it provided an opportunity for even very oppressive governments to label anti-state movements of any sort as terr0rist movements," he says.

Alim Seytoff, a former Uighur official in Xinjiang, is now secretary general of the Uighur American Association.

"We are one of those peoples who became terr0rists for demanding our rights from the authoritarian Chinese government," he says.

His group portrays Uighurs in a way that appeals to American concepts of "freedom fighters" and minority rights.
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http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=100790460
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Uighurs were most likely getting training in Afghanistan so thaey could go back and fight the Chinese.
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    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:25 PM on 05/27/2009
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"But Beijing commonly lumps all of these views under its definition of terr0rism.­"

Hmm, where did I hear that before...

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:27 PM on 05/27/2009
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U.S. State Department.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:29 PM on 05/27/2009

From Obama .....

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:33 PM on 05/27/2009

Yep.

"Yer i-thar witus, or uh-gin us."

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:33 PM on 05/27/2009
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They are Islamic This means they don't love Jesus there fore they need to be crucified jut to show them what is is like to love Jesus. Ask Boosh he loves Jesus he just bombs 150K or more folks in to nowhere land no crucification that could be classified as torture..

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:47 PM on 05/27/2009
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"The 17 t.error suspects imprisoned in the US military base of G.uantanam­o Bay are members of the East Turkestan Islamic Movement, which has been listed as a t.errorist organization by the United Nations," Chinese Foreign Ministry spokesman Qin Gang said.

"For these t.error suspects, the Chinese government has always requested they be sent back to China and firmly opposes any country accepting them," he told a news briefing.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:28 PM on 05/27/2009
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know literally nothing about the Qur'an (correction)

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:27 PM on 05/27/2009
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Yea, they are a minority within their own community also. The vast majority of Chinmese Uyghurs are not supporting the millitants, and the other ethnic groups in western China, more than 50% of the population is totally opposed to their sepretism, not to mention their tactics.

Here is what they look like, in their declaration of Chinese Jihad.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E6DLGShOnEg&feature=related

But don't believe me, here are some more reports of their "innocence­."

http://diggchina.blogspot.com/2009/02/is-china-target-of-global-sponsered.html

Please pay close attention to the 055 brigades, not 007, 055.

And, oh BTW, didn't we help Osama and his freedom fighters in Afghanistan when we were defeating Soviet communism?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:34 PM on 05/27/2009
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Bush administration cleared them. Senate Dem's afraid to make a call.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:35 PM on 05/27/2009

Just because they aren't guilty of crimes against the US doesn't mean they can't be held under Article 5 of Geneva Convention III, as any combatant would be (legal or otherwise)

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:39 PM on 05/27/2009
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Our bestest trading pardner, krist what we will do for a buck.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:37 PM on 05/27/2009
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2nd headline on the main....

"At least one picture shows an American soldier apparently raping a female prisoner while another is said to show a male translator raping a male detainee.

Further photographs are said to depict sexual assaults on prisoners with objects including a truncheon, wire and a phosphorescent tube. "

It's ok tho, because we are America bringing freedoms and what not.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:25 PM on 05/27/2009
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so that's what they meant by "Take the Gloves Off"

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:27 PM on 05/27/2009
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Gawd, just horrid!
....It sounds like a Republican gathering honoring David Vitters and Larry Craig.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:27 PM on 05/27/2009

Or pledge night at Skull&Bones.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:34 PM on 05/27/2009
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With Barney Franf and his partner at freddie Mac presiding

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:45 PM on 05/27/2009
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Anything to defend our freedoms.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:27 PM on 05/27/2009
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I have maintained for weeks now that when it all comes out we are going to see this:

homoerotic torture, pedo-phila, and torture kiddie porn.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:29 PM on 05/27/2009
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It's sick.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:29 PM on 05/27/2009

Dont you Love how Cheney’s goin around brazenly talking smack, knowing that he’ll never EVER face prosecution for his crimes.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:23 PM on 05/27/2009
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no one goes after the Shadow Government and survives.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:31 PM on 05/27/2009
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Never? That's a pretty good prediction of the future based on an alternate reality.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:32 PM on 05/27/2009
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Actually, he is correct.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:39 PM on 05/27/2009
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I love thinking about Chainey's recent reactivation as marketing pawn, is this time all about his fear of AG Holder coming to get him.

I love it.

He will face the music.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:34 PM on 05/27/2009
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One can only hope that he senses the worms waiting for him soon ....as PorkChopBoy almost certainly will take the "Ken Lay" way out and avoid possible prosecution.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:36 PM on 05/27/2009
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Hysterical, Dems shooting themselves in both feet.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:19 PM on 05/27/2009
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We envy how you righties have your shi*tTogether.

Teach us master !

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:21 PM on 05/27/2009
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You can't grab the stone from my hand yet grasshopper.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:23 PM on 05/27/2009
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That id!.ot tr0ll is actually just commenting on what 'it' sees as a poor aim which results in a s h0t to the foot.
....."It" shills for a party that specializes in 'circular firing squads'!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:24 PM on 05/27/2009
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LOL!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:25 PM on 05/27/2009
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Yes, teach us how to win two election cycles in a row please? We would really like to sh00t our feet like that.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:23 PM on 05/27/2009
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that false sense of security must be cozy. how those RNC ratings working out for you?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:24 PM on 05/27/2009
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nooo....bu­t we KNOW that republicans shooooot each other in the face ...LOL

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:25 PM on 05/27/2009
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Hey pinto what happened to all your loyal fans?

What happened pinto? Where'd you go?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:18 PM on 05/27/2009
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SockDrawer, I assume

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:20 PM on 05/27/2009
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Are they fumigating the tree house?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:20 PM on 05/27/2009
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Bitter Gaboobie

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:22 PM on 05/27/2009
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there there Bu. you still have FRiends

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:25 PM on 05/27/2009
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Out getting another box o wine, or whine, depending on the situation.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:26 PM on 05/27/2009

If Obama wont end the wa r or wiretapping or the patriot act or indefinite detentions

and the other 100 things he wont change

Is the connection to Bush getting just a little too close ...??
I mean other than them being cousins .....

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:18 PM on 05/27/2009
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If Obama was anything like Bush then Republicans would not hate him so much now would they?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:19 PM on 05/27/2009
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Bingo!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:20 PM on 05/27/2009

You mean PRETEND to .........

What would they hate him for if they want the same things ?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:20 PM on 05/27/2009
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Well, us libertarians "hated" Bush, and some conservative republicans "hated" Bush?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:21 PM on 05/27/2009
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Rich, I know you probably won't believe this, but what we hate about Obama is that he is destroying the country, as we see it. Conservatives believe in the Constitution and the Bill of Rights and Freedom.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:55 PM on 05/27/2009

Ummm...I thought he was a distant relative to Chinny, but whatever.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:19 PM on 05/27/2009
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Is there a way to purge reptilian blood from your system? ;)

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:21 PM on 05/27/2009

both .....

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:21 PM on 05/27/2009
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Silly boy. There are 100 things he will change.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:21 PM on 05/27/2009

Senator Obama voted to renew the Patriot Act in 2006. Guess you missed that.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:35 PM on 05/27/2009

Anyone know where these Uighers were "swept up"? Afghanistan, Pakistan, Iraq?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:12 PM on 05/27/2009
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Afghanistan

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:12 PM on 05/27/2009
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They were in Afghanistan and were picked up by bounty hunters paid $5000 a head.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:15 PM on 05/27/2009
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so we R holding them in debtors prison until they can pay back the 5G?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:17 PM on 05/27/2009

Okie dokie.

Next question..­.what were they doing in Afghanistan?

Were they on a pilgrimage­...?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:17 PM on 05/27/2009
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Privatization, Atlas Smiles.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:18 PM on 05/27/2009
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If thats the way the dems want to do it then I'm all for it!

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Phonies. They have no plan.

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