Dem Senators Open To Allowing Innocent Chinese Detainees To Live In U.S.

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First Posted: 05-27-09 04:45 PM   |   Updated: 05-27-09 07:52 PM

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Members of Congress from both parties have been climbing over each other lately to be the most forceful opponent of transferring Guantanamo Bay detainees to prisons in their home states.

But a group of 17 Chinese Muslims have been cleared by the Bush administration and aren't looking for a prison to lock them up -- they need a community to take them in.

The Huffington Post asked senators how they'd deal with what should be a simpler problem but politically could be more difficult: What about the Uighurs?

"This has just been such a horrible situation for these people," said Sen. Dick Durbin (Ill.), the third-ranking Democrat. "They have been pilloried by people on the floor of the Senate, but most believe, most people I have heard from suggest that they should be returned, but the question is no one will take them."

Why won't we take them?

"I don't know. We may be in a position where that will be considered, but I leave that up to the administration. I just don't know," he said.

Several senators began answers with the premise that the Uighurs were not a threat, but transitioned while they spoke to keeping them in prison.

"I think anybody who is declared not to be a threat is not. We have plenty of places to hold people. We have maximum-security prisons that nobody is ever going to get out of. That's just a fact," said North Dakota Democrat Byron Dorgan.

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"There are going to be detainees that are not going to be able to be tried, for whatever reasons, and are going to have to be released. The question is where. And I think that's an issue that we need to talk about, because in some cases their native countries are not accepting them for whatever reasons. I think there are more options than just the United States, and I think we need to look at all the options," said Sen. Ben Cardin, a Democrat who represents Maryland, a state neighboring the Northern Virginia Uighur community that has volunteered to take them.

"I would not exclude the United States," said Cardin.

"I'm open to discussion on that. I don't know enough details to know," said Sen. Sherrod Brown (D-Ohio).

Sens. John McCain (Ariz.) and Lindsey Graham (S.C.) are the leading Republican theorists on detention policy in the Senate. Both said the Uighur situation could only be resolved by the implementation of a comprehensive policy that covered all detainees.

"There's no policy. Again, we've got to have a policy," said McCain. "I'd be willing to negotiate with the White House to try to work out all these issues."

Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid (D-Nev.) had taken a hard line on detainees earlier last week, saying that none could be transferred to the United States, not even to prisons. He dialed that back a bit in a recent interview with the Las Vegas Sun.

But the best he would do is say the Uighurs "probably" don't belong in maximum security prison.

"There's no question that a number of these people who are there are not guilty of anything. The Uighurs, these are a group of Muslim Chinese who are guilty of nothing. They were arrested, put in there. They are there. They are doing nothing. We're going to have to find someplace to put them. We can't send them back to China. Should they go into a maximum-security prison? Probably not," he said.

The Uighurs themselves aren't optimistic that they'll be released anytime soon, they told their translator recently. "If we are the innocent ones from day one -- and for the past six years, and the government knew we were innocent -- if we are still here, how he is going to deal with the 240 prisoners and shut down the base by next January?" their translator says they wonder. "They're a little bit skeptical about it actually happening."


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Members of Congress from both parties have been climbing over each other lately to be the most forceful opponent of transferring Guantanamo Bay detainees to prisons in their home states. But a gro...
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Banks......treasuries spiked today......change main to Banks

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:41 PM on 05/27/2009
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I wish the media for our National Security wouldn't focus on this story of the Senate voting against funding the shut down of Guantanamo, because if our enemies get any sense of what a bunch of pusillanimous abject cowards we have running our country, an attack is all but eminent...!

"Cowardice in the Face of the Enemy at a Time of War" by 90% of the United States Senate is something we should all be ashamed of as Americans, and also try to keep to ourselves...as much as possible...

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:40 PM on 05/27/2009
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sorry cowboy; we live in a free society, whatever that is

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:42 PM on 05/27/2009
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They knew when they saw the puppy dog bow to the Saudi King.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:47 PM on 05/27/2009
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Yeah you're probably right...

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No kidding, Sherlock...

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:41 PM on 05/27/2009
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    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:49 PM on 05/27/2009
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All the more reason to let 'em go.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:01 PM on 05/27/2009
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let em go! and while were at it let all the non-violent drug offenders in the system go, too. this country is acting like fascists.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:39 PM on 05/27/2009
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TanoBoy, check out Larry King right now. Question you asked about innocent black men incarcerated is being asked and answered, case of Gerry Lee Evans.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:39 PM on 05/27/2009
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Blazing Saddles

Sheriff: "Okay, we'll take the Blacks and the Chinese, but no Irish!"

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:39 PM on 05/27/2009
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Classic, classic film. And still one of the best at attacking the racial issues in this country.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:40 PM on 05/27/2009
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It's twoo, it's twoo.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:51 PM on 05/27/2009
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Damn Celtic racists, errr whats a ethnic racist called?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:42 PM on 05/27/2009
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Darn Celtic r_acists, errr whats a ethnic r_acist called?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:42 PM on 05/27/2009
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Before these people are called "innocent" we need to know in detail who they are why these Chinese were in Afghanistan. Some of these people have gone through Al Queda training and the act of going through this training says they are not "innocent." And by the way, why will no other Islamic nation take these innocent Islamic people?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:38 PM on 05/27/2009
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The court ordered the Uighurs released because they are innocent. The problem is that no one wants them, except possibly China which wants them for the wrong reasons.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:40 PM on 05/27/2009
- nichtviel I'm a Fan of nichtviel 4 fans permalink

If they're so "innocent" why do the Chinese want to execute them?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:49 PM on 05/27/2009
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Uighur are members of a Turkish people dominant in Mongolia and eastern Turkestan from the 8th to 12th centuries a.d., and now living mainly in western China.

That is the part of western China right next to Afghanistan.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:43 PM on 05/27/2009
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cause they na be Arab?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:44 PM on 05/27/2009
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Apparently no other Islamic nation is stepping up to adopt them, so...no. Again - probably why they're still there, months after Obama has promised to shutter Gitmo and years after DubyaCo found them innocent.

Again - you can count the number of nations who have the economic clout to tick off the Chinese (by accepting the Uighur) on one hand. And I'm sure there are a few nations that would offer to take them in, only to turn around and hand them over to China in order to up their standing.

Did they train in camps? Possibly. Do they have a beef with the US? No.

Which makes them no more dangerous to us than, say, a Swiss or Israeli immigrant (both of whom have mandatory military service).

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:45 PM on 05/27/2009
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Why don't you ask the Bush folks? They were the ones who cleared them for release.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:47 PM on 05/27/2009

All is fair in love and war. If these guys were technically innocent to begin with, surely 6 years of detainment has not helped their psyche, and if they were not potentially dangerous to begin with, surely they are potentially dangerous now. OK, perhaps they got a raw deal. As General Sherman said, "War is hell, lady, not a Sunday picnic."

Unfortunately I oppose the death penalty, otherwise I would say to hang 'em high, all the GITMO detainees, but, as it is, I would just say to put them in SuperMax Colorado and throw away the key.

Fair? Perhaps not. But again, this is war, and in war, s**t happens.

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Funny how "s**t happens" is the favorite saying of people who see themselves as throwing it not ducking it.

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Ohhh, Lawwwwd! We got us a weeennnerrrrrr!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:47 PM on 05/27/2009
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Anyone who has ever been on monkey bars should be considered a th reat to out freedoms.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:37 PM on 05/27/2009
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Oh noes

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:40 PM on 05/27/2009
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definitely! those little gymnast girls are skeeeery

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:42 PM on 05/27/2009
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dont forget doing sommersaults in the sand! mohammed atta won the AQ race through the obstacle course, which is why he was chosen to lead the 9 eleven attacks.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:51 PM on 05/27/2009
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Chinese Ughur millitant freedon song, complete with burned out bombed busses as a background effect.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E6DLGShOnEg

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Send them to Nevada. Harry is going to lose his reelection bid anyway.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:34 PM on 05/27/2009
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Cool, I was a little concerned about Harry, but your assurances tell me that he will win for sure.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:36 PM on 05/27/2009
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lay off the booze .....lol

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:39 PM on 05/27/2009
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Why don't we send them to Crawford TX, after all is was Bush's idea to open Gitmo?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:40 PM on 05/27/2009
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Hairy Weed thinks that as well.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:41 PM on 05/27/2009
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I know ....off topic

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Flagged! :)

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Where is Pronto anyway?

Is Shawn Hanks my homie Pronto?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:31 PM on 05/27/2009
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No.

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No that's shortbus

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:32 PM on 05/27/2009
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Got you folks all over the place. There are some votes for CC2 also.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:34 PM on 05/27/2009
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Spellcheck - it is homey

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:33 PM on 05/27/2009
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It's however I spell. You dig?

I went to private schools.

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he's name tr0//ing as KitzCaboodle

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:42 PM on 05/27/2009
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It s the least we can do after what we have done to them.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:30 PM on 05/27/2009
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yup

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:31 PM on 05/27/2009
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Do "innocent" people train in Al qaida camps?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:30 PM on 05/27/2009
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Is training against the law? Careful, it's a trick question. We have our own version here, full of white people.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:31 PM on 05/27/2009
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lol

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:35 PM on 05/27/2009
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Ruby Ridge?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:35 PM on 05/27/2009
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heh...

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:37 PM on 05/27/2009
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Liberals are funny. I'm glad their humor is just in the classroom... If we had to count on liberals for real life situations, we would all be in trouble.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:38 PM on 05/27/2009
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True! it's about time our intelligence agencies distinguish between those with hatred towards the US and the ones just keeping in shape.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:39 PM on 05/27/2009
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Sure. They may have been in training for the Hospitality degree.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:31 PM on 05/27/2009
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Another funny liberal.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:18 PM on 05/27/2009
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no, they become repubs, why...u guilty.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:32 PM on 05/27/2009
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Radicals are liberals.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:41 PM on 05/27/2009
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Perhaps a jury could evaluate that.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:32 PM on 05/27/2009
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The Uighurs were training in Al Qaeda camps.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:00 PM on 05/27/2009
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Did these people train there? I didn't see any evidence that they are trained AQ fighters.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:34 PM on 05/27/2009
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Yes. Do your research.

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