'Jon & Kate' Stars Being Investigated Over Child Labor Complaint

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MICHAEL RUBINKAM | May 29, 2009 04:49 PM EST | AP

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In this photo taken Thursday, May 28, 2009, the home of Jon and Kate Gosselin and their eight young children is seen in Wernersville, Pa. Jon, Kate and their eight have attracted a huge TV audience and a state labor investigation. The Pennsylvania Department of Labor says it's looking into whether the hit reality show "Jon & Kate Plus 8" is complying with the state's child labor law, given the tender ages of its stars. (AP Photo/Carolyn Kaster)

WERNERSVILLE, Pa. — In a cold dose of reality for reality TV, Pennsylvania's Labor Department has opened an investigation into whether the hit show "Jon & Kate Plus 8" is complying with state child labor laws.

The TLC series about two parents raising 8-year-old twins and 5-year-old sextuplets drew nearly 10 million viewers for its fifth-season premiere Monday _ more than double the audience for its fourth-season finale several weeks ago _ following media reports that the parents, Jon and Kate Gosselin, had cheated on each other. They denied it, but conceded their marriage is in trouble.

TLC said Friday it "fully complies" with state laws and regulations.

The Labor Department received a complaint against the show and is "gathering information" from its representatives, department spokesman Justin Fleming told The Associated Press. Fleming would not say when the complaint was filed or who filed it.

The fact a complaint is being investigated doesn't necessarily mean the department believes the show did anything wrong.

"Any complaint we get, we investigate," Fleming said.

Child actors and other young performers are protected by Pennsylvania labor law, but it's not clear whether the law applies to reality TV. Investigators will have to decide whether the Gosselins' house in southeastern Pennsylvania is essentially a TV set where producers direct much of the action _ in which case the law may apply _ or if it's a home where the kids aren't really working but are simply living their lives, albeit in front of the cameras.

Kate's brother and sister-in-law made waves this week by saying the Gosselins are exploiting their children for financial gain. Jon and Kate Gosselin are reportedly paid tens of thousands of dollars per episode.

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"Unfortunately, I think it has come down to all about the ratings," sister-in-law Jodi Kreider told CBS' "The Early Show." "And no one is looking at these children as what they are going through and the life consequences they are going to have as they get older."

Kreider said the children have told her they don't like the cameras.

Her husband and Kate's brother, Kevin Kreider, said in the same interview: "You can't imagine as a child realizing that my birthday party, that all the outings that my parents took me on were ... for ratings, and all organized by production companies."

TLC spokeswoman Laurie Goldberg said in a statement Friday that the network "fully complies with all applicable laws and regulations" for all shows.

"For an extended period of time, we have been engaged in cooperative discussions and supplied all requested information to the Pennsylvania Department of Labor," Goldberg said.

Child labor laws vary by state. Pennsylvania law permits kids who are at least 7 to work in the entertainment industry, as long as a permit is obtained and certain rules are followed. Kids can't generally work after 11:30 p.m., for example, or perform any place that serves alcohol.

The law allows performers younger than 7 to have "temporary employment ... in the production of a motion picture," and spend up to eight hours a day and 44 hours a week on set as long as their "educational instruction, supervision, health and welfare" needs are being met.

In contrast, California has more elaborate rules governing the work of child performers, establishing working hours by age group (20 minutes a day for infants, up to six hours for older kids) and requiring a teacher to be on the set.

"Jon & Kate Plus 8" tapes off and on throughout the year, averaging two to three hours a day, two to three days a week, Goldberg said.

George Voegele, a labor lawyer at Cozen O'Connor in Philadelphia, said the state Labor Department might well decide it doesn't have jurisdiction over the show, especially if investigators determine the cameras are there to document the kids, not direct them.

"The fundamental question I see here is whether or not they're employees, whether they're working, and whether the Pennsylvania child labor law provisions would even apply to this situation," he said.

The Pennsylvania investigation recalls a 2007 controversy surrounding "Kid Nation," a CBS reality show about 40 children given the task of organizing and running their own lives in New Mexico.

The Screen Actors Guild and others suggested the children were being exploited and one trade magazine said the show was skirting New Mexico labor laws by declaring the production a "summer camp." Producers denied the accusations; the show lasted 13 episodes.

Seeking more space for their brood, the Gosselins moved in October into a $1.1 million house on nearly 24 acres with a white picket fence and gated, tree-lined driveway.

A few miles away, in the small town of Wernersville, everyone seems to have an opinion about the sharp-tongued Kate and her long-suffering husband.

Amanda Baez, 32, an assistant at her mother's Wernersville hair salon and an avid watcher of the show, said she's not concerned about the children's welfare.

"This is all the children know, especially the sextuplets since they were babies. They grew up with cameras in their faces. They grew up with the production," she said. "It's probably like having their aunt and uncle with the family video camera just watching you."

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AP Television Writer Frazier Moore contributed to this story from New York.

WERNERSVILLE, Pa. — In a cold dose of reality for reality TV, Pennsylvania's Labor Department has opened an investigation into whether the hit show "Jon & Kate Plus 8" is complying with state ch...
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There's a great piece in this morning's NYT about this show......­.why are some people so fascinated by the lives of other people they don't even know??

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:05 AM on 05/30/2009
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Yet another way to become a celebrity: See a fertility specialist and pop out a litter of kids.

Once the kids are no longer a meal ticket, Kate will be outta there looking for the next spotlight.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:32 AM on 05/30/2009
- AlexFTW I'm a Fan of AlexFTW 15 fans permalink
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Well, personally I'm thinking of having a uterus installed. My meal ticket is on its way!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:43 AM on 05/30/2009
- mesoholy I'm a Fan of mesoholy 3 fans permalink

It's not that easy! I am on my 3rd uterus and still not popping out babies! I am suing my doc.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:54 AM on 05/30/2009
- slobone I'm a Fan of slobone 5 fans permalink

Simple -- the kids aren't employees because they're not being paid! All the money goes to Jon & Kate (and soon just Kate).

I foresee a huge lawsuit when the kids get old enough to hire a lawyer. Is eight plaintiffs enough for a class-action suit?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:16 AM on 05/30/2009

"Is eight plaintiffs enough for a class-action suit?"

It may be enough for another reality show.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:37 AM on 05/30/2009
- slobone I'm a Fan of slobone 5 fans permalink

Correction -- I shouldn't have assumed the kids aren't getting any of the money. Actually, we don't know that, it hasn't been publicly discussed. For all I know they have sizable trust funds in their name.

But that only just shows that this "reality" show is getting a little too real. If TLC is going to continue airing the show, they -- and Jon & Kate -- need to provide some honest answers...

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:20 PM on 05/31/2009

I believe Jon & Kate are indeed abusing their kids.They film them during potty trainind and bath time,.
If this was any one else it would be considered child porn.

Just because TLC is filming it ,it makes it okay. I don't think so.

The whole world sees them in their most private moments.

Jon & Kate got your children off of TV and start being a real parent. It is really telling that Kate refers to her show as her job. Give me a break.

Kate is a nurse and Jon Is an IT guy, they can make a living without exploiting there kids.

Sounds like they are just taking the easy way out.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:11 AM on 05/30/2009
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TLC bought the new house for them, and it is set up as one would for a film set.

If, as authorities say, the case hinges on whether or not the home is actually a film set, J&K and TLC are in a whole world of trouble.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:33 PM on 05/30/2009
- JanSP1971 I'm a Fan of JanSP1971 43 fans permalink

The Labor Department received a complaint against the show and is "gathering information" from its representatives, department spokesman Justin Fleming told The Associated Press. Fleming would not say when the complaint was filed or who filed it.


YOU HAVE TO LOVE THIS PART, WOULD NOT SAY WHO FILED IT. One guess people, how does "Aunt" Jodi and "Uncle" Kevin sound. Jodi you must stop this attack you are on against Kate, who are you really going to damage? You are doing the most damage to the kids you say you love so much. I think what ever happened between Kate and yourself has distroyed any kind of common thinking you had. Please "Aunt" Jodi get some help before it's to late.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:14 AM on 05/30/2009
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Your attempt to blame the messenger for the message is quite obvious. Why would you assume she was the one who filed the complaint?

JOdi's motivation is irrelevant to whether or not the complaint that was filed is true. The issue is whether J&K and TLC are exploiting the kids.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:36 PM on 05/30/2009
- mishte I'm a Fan of mishte 6 fans permalink

Using your train of thought, the complaint should be ignored when it's assumed that the complaintant is a jealous family member, right? Under the exact same circumstances, who would you consider to be acceptable for filing a complaint? What's the threshold?

Personally, (not that it matters) I think the complaintant is more likely to be Paul Peterson - who was vocal weeks ago and (I believe) filed a complaint for the protection of the Suleman babies. He has been an childrens' advocate for a long time concerning these issues, and has a very informative website called - (I forget the exact name) - "minor concerns" or "minor considerations". Google it if interested.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:50 PM on 05/30/2009
- Malkin71 I'm a Fan of Malkin71 26 fans permalink
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I have never watched that show but Kate Gosselin seems like a real _______.

ATTENTION everyone..­.when you SEEK fame and fortune, you HAVE to deal with the consequences of fame and fortune. You don't just get the $1.1 million estate, you have to be on the cover of the Globe, too.

The time to think about that is when you are signing the contracts to be on TV.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:40 AM on 05/30/2009
- mishte I'm a Fan of mishte 6 fans permalink

Problem is - 8 of the 10 people involved did NOT seek the spotlight and I'm sure did not sign the contract event though they're probably named within it. After all, they show's title is based on their presence, cooperation and involvement.

Since they're minors, any legal situation that involves them is decided on by their parents (until or unless it is found that their best interests are not being met in their parents' care - which to me seems, at minimum, suspect and at best, more than likely).

I watched the show once when it first aired, and the dynamics (and LACK of emotional nurturing of the children - as necessary as food and shelter) and have only recently seen clips online because of all the attention,

How is it okay to make one's sick children sleep in the laundry room, instead of their own beds, when they have the flu - because one's priority is for the carpet and bedding OVER the childrens' comfort... To me, that's absolutely shocking. When my kids were throwing up and having diarrhea, I'd put towels under them and STAY with them - and try to make them MORE comfortable, not force them to sleep on a linoleum floor because I didn't want to clean their blankets.

That's just a small example, but the bigger issue is (and I'm fully aware that having 8 children is different than having 2) that childrens' psychologi­cal/emotio­nal health/growth is no less important simply because there are more

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:07 PM on 05/30/2009

I thought this was a nice family and will admit I enjoyed watching the show. The children are so cute. The parents appear to love their children and take good care of them. As for doing the show, I cannot blame them since supporting a family of ten seems very challenging. They probably should take a long vacation now because apparently the brother and sister-in-law appear jealous and want to bring them down.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:39 AM on 05/30/2009
- waitforme I'm a Fan of waitforme 20 fans permalink

From a psychotherapist:

'Investigators will have to decide whether the Gosselins' house in southeastern Pennsylvania is essentially a TV set where producers direct much of the action _ in which case the law may apply _ or if it's a home where the kids aren't really working but are simply living their lives, ALBEIT IN FRONT OF THE CAMERAS.' (my caps)

I don't think 'simply living their lives', or the dismissive 'albeit in front of the cameras' holds water. See:

'Kreider said the children have told her they don't like the cameras.'

They're too young and should be given the option of opting out.

When there are cameras, and people directing cameras, watching their every move, these are rude, intrusive, boundary-invasions into the privacy of children. When children say they don't like it the cameras need to stop following them. It's the constant following and being looked at which can be long-term trauma-inducing. They can result in a 'scrutiny phobia' which may last all their lives. Or result in splitting the personality in unhelpful ways -- losing their natural spontaneity and self-trust.

I've noticed that the younger daughter of the Obamas looks at the camera -- in pictures shown of her -- as if she is at least skeptical and surely doesn't like to have pictures taken of her so often. I am with her. Why should she be stalked every time she goes with her parents out to a plane or gets out of a car?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:30 AM on 05/30/2009
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"This is all the children know, especially the sextuplets since they were babies. They grew up with cameras in their faces. They grew up with the production," she said. "It's probably like having their aunt and uncle with the family video camera just watching you."

EXACTLY why these children will suffer when this show DOES stop filming. Their development has already been impaired.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:43 AM on 05/30/2009
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so what, just keep it going? if you stick your finger in your eye and it hurts do you keep doing it repeatedly?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:54 AM on 05/30/2009
- MelodyCA I'm a Fan of MelodyCA 8 fans permalink

I took a friend to Kate Gosselin's book signing. There were rules posted that you were NOT allowed to stare at her because she "precieved" it as a threat. She rarely spoke to her fans and would not pose for pictures. She treated everyone with disdain like they were beneath her.

I just went to Marlee Matlin's booksigning and it was a fabulous experience. I even signed with her because I learned sign language to communicate with one of my nieces. She even posed for photos.
She was friendly and gracious to everyone. A CLASS act.

Kate Gosselin needs a lesson in humility and empathy before she will get any respect from me.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:59 AM on 05/30/2009
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Well gee, from all the attacks on Kate in this thread alone I can't IMAGINE why she'd feel threatened by "fans." People who watch the show (fans) attack her constantly. I'd be scared of the public, too!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:42 AM on 05/30/2009
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Would you stop filming if you felt so threatened? THAT is the bigger question.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:42 AM on 05/30/2009
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Then she should stay home. If she appears at an event where the public is INVITED, she should not be rude to the people who attend. They are the people who pay her "salary." I don't watch this show, but everyone I know who does says they watch to see the kids. It stands to reason that if she is mistreating these kids (who are the stars), fans will have a poor opinion of her.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:47 AM on 05/30/2009
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then maybe she should try to be a little nicer to ppl...afte­r all she wants their money..

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:49 AM on 05/30/2009
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Is that you Sarah? You would come to her defense.



http://www.democrats.com/iraq-torture-petition

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:42 AM on 05/30/2009
- waitforme I'm a Fan of waitforme 20 fans permalink

'I took a friend to Kate Gosselin's book signing. There were rules posted that you were NOT allowed to stare at her because she "precieved" it as a threat.'

Well, this is exactly what I meant by 'scrutiny phobia' in my comment above. It is interesting that the parent, also, who as an adult is presumed to know what she needs, behaves as if she has a scrutiny phobia, which is what I am worried about with the children. It is interesting that with this fear of cameras or being looked at she still allows cameras to live with her for a large part of her life. And that she allows it to happen to her children.

It sounds as if this show needs to stop and the parents need to find another source of income, which won't impinge on their and their children's privacy and begin to honor their own needs.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:37 AM on 05/30/2009
- JanSP1971 I'm a Fan of JanSP1971 43 fans permalink

I would love to see some real proof concerning this. I find it very hard to believe, really.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:25 PM on 05/30/2009

Yes, please avert your mere mortal eyes from the holy celestial awesomeness that is Kate Gosselin. Because if you look directly in her eyes, you'll turn into stone. That super-amaz­ing-stylis­h hair cut conceals the snakes.

"Don't look at me!"
What a psychopath.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:35 AM on 05/30/2009
- meede I'm a Fan of meede 35 fans permalink

Someone should throw their book at her.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:44 PM on 05/30/2009
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"There were rules posted that you were NOT allowed to stare at her because she "precieved" it as a threat."

This is the direction given to people who meet the queen. Someone needs to tell kate that she's not royalty, no matter how rich her children have made her.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:45 PM on 05/30/2009

These kids were filmed while pooping on the toilet alone without the parents in the bathroom, in full frontal nudity when they while being bathe, crying, being yelled at....etc. Why is this great entertaiment that the parents should get paid for?

Most celebrites try to hide their kids from the media....t­hen again most celebrities make their OWN money.

Jon and Kate think the kids actually LIKE the cameras. What pathetic parents...­.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:47 AM on 05/30/2009
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"These kids were filmed while pooping on the toilet alone without the parents in the bathroom, in full frontal nudity when they while being bathe, crying, being yelled at....etc. Why is this great entertaiment that the parents should get paid for? "

I haven't seen this show, but if these things go on, I would have tried to get it to stop long before this. This is indeed child abuse. The show needs to stop.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:38 AM on 05/30/2009
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The kids have indeed been intruded upon to this extent. Watch some of the earlier shows, which, no doubt, will be rerun ad infinitium in the near future.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:47 PM on 05/30/2009
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in any other context, what the parents are doing to these children would IMMEDIATELY be recognized as child abuse and the situation would be dealt with accordingly -- NO parent has the right to abuse and exploit defenseless children, scarring their tiny psyches for life, for the almighty $$$

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:06 AM on 05/30/2009
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So, video taping children is child abuse? Wow. So, YouTube and "Funniest Home Videos" are aiding child abusers?

Good to know. Next time my brother sends me a link to watch a video of my nephew on YouTube, I'll be sure to call child services.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:17 AM on 05/30/2009

Are you being serious? Home videos no where compares to how these kids are filmed. Do you even watch the show?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:49 AM on 05/30/2009
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This 'complaint' is such a bunch of bs. All the kids are doing is living their lives.. Something wrong with that???

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:23 AM on 05/30/2009
- MelodyCA I'm a Fan of MelodyCA 8 fans permalink

Yes every NORMAL kid has Emeril, the guys from American Chopper, and Duff from Ace of Cakes visiting them.

This show stopped being normal a long time ago. It stopped being about the family and became a show about a family on a reality show.

Those kids are going to screwed up emotionally later in life.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:55 AM on 05/30/2009
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So he had a drink with a young woman and that means he slept with her? He.l.l if that was the case I'd be right up there with Gene Simons.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:17 AM on 05/30/2009
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Another installment of "Heterosexual Marriage - Tragic Outcomes."

I'm going to suggest something here. The national fascination with 'Breeders" like Octo Mom and Octo Couple seems to be a projection of some kind of unconscious insecurity about gender roles.

The terror that lives in the national psyche about the possibility that America might actually live up to it's Constitutional mandate, and provide equality FOR ALL, including gay people, seems to be manifesting in this perverse obsession with heterosexuals producing giant litters to populate the earth before the 'final battle'. Perhaps it's one last breeding rampage, before the homos take over the human race, everyone is forced to be gay, and population growth ends, and the human race becomes extinct?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:01 AM on 05/30/2009
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Thank you for a gut-busting laugh. I love your comment, in a hetero way of course.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:06 AM on 05/30/2009
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