'Jon & Kate' Stars Being Investigated Over Child Labor Complaint

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MICHAEL RUBINKAM | May 29, 2009 04:49 PM EST | AP

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In this photo taken Thursday, May 28, 2009, the home of Jon and Kate Gosselin and their eight young children is seen in Wernersville, Pa. Jon, Kate and their eight have attracted a huge TV audience and a state labor investigation. The Pennsylvania Department of Labor says it's looking into whether the hit reality show "Jon & Kate Plus 8" is complying with the state's child labor law, given the tender ages of its stars. (AP Photo/Carolyn Kaster)

WERNERSVILLE, Pa. — In a cold dose of reality for reality TV, Pennsylvania's Labor Department has opened an investigation into whether the hit show "Jon & Kate Plus 8" is complying with state child labor laws.

The TLC series about two parents raising 8-year-old twins and 5-year-old sextuplets drew nearly 10 million viewers for its fifth-season premiere Monday _ more than double the audience for its fourth-season finale several weeks ago _ following media reports that the parents, Jon and Kate Gosselin, had cheated on each other. They denied it, but conceded their marriage is in trouble.

TLC said Friday it "fully complies" with state laws and regulations.

The Labor Department received a complaint against the show and is "gathering information" from its representatives, department spokesman Justin Fleming told The Associated Press. Fleming would not say when the complaint was filed or who filed it.

The fact a complaint is being investigated doesn't necessarily mean the department believes the show did anything wrong.

"Any complaint we get, we investigate," Fleming said.

Child actors and other young performers are protected by Pennsylvania labor law, but it's not clear whether the law applies to reality TV. Investigators will have to decide whether the Gosselins' house in southeastern Pennsylvania is essentially a TV set where producers direct much of the action _ in which case the law may apply _ or if it's a home where the kids aren't really working but are simply living their lives, albeit in front of the cameras.

Kate's brother and sister-in-law made waves this week by saying the Gosselins are exploiting their children for financial gain. Jon and Kate Gosselin are reportedly paid tens of thousands of dollars per episode.

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"Unfortunately, I think it has come down to all about the ratings," sister-in-law Jodi Kreider told CBS' "The Early Show." "And no one is looking at these children as what they are going through and the life consequences they are going to have as they get older."

Kreider said the children have told her they don't like the cameras.

Her husband and Kate's brother, Kevin Kreider, said in the same interview: "You can't imagine as a child realizing that my birthday party, that all the outings that my parents took me on were ... for ratings, and all organized by production companies."

TLC spokeswoman Laurie Goldberg said in a statement Friday that the network "fully complies with all applicable laws and regulations" for all shows.

"For an extended period of time, we have been engaged in cooperative discussions and supplied all requested information to the Pennsylvania Department of Labor," Goldberg said.

Child labor laws vary by state. Pennsylvania law permits kids who are at least 7 to work in the entertainment industry, as long as a permit is obtained and certain rules are followed. Kids can't generally work after 11:30 p.m., for example, or perform any place that serves alcohol.

The law allows performers younger than 7 to have "temporary employment ... in the production of a motion picture," and spend up to eight hours a day and 44 hours a week on set as long as their "educational instruction, supervision, health and welfare" needs are being met.

In contrast, California has more elaborate rules governing the work of child performers, establishing working hours by age group (20 minutes a day for infants, up to six hours for older kids) and requiring a teacher to be on the set.

"Jon & Kate Plus 8" tapes off and on throughout the year, averaging two to three hours a day, two to three days a week, Goldberg said.

George Voegele, a labor lawyer at Cozen O'Connor in Philadelphia, said the state Labor Department might well decide it doesn't have jurisdiction over the show, especially if investigators determine the cameras are there to document the kids, not direct them.

"The fundamental question I see here is whether or not they're employees, whether they're working, and whether the Pennsylvania child labor law provisions would even apply to this situation," he said.

The Pennsylvania investigation recalls a 2007 controversy surrounding "Kid Nation," a CBS reality show about 40 children given the task of organizing and running their own lives in New Mexico.

The Screen Actors Guild and others suggested the children were being exploited and one trade magazine said the show was skirting New Mexico labor laws by declaring the production a "summer camp." Producers denied the accusations; the show lasted 13 episodes.

Seeking more space for their brood, the Gosselins moved in October into a $1.1 million house on nearly 24 acres with a white picket fence and gated, tree-lined driveway.

A few miles away, in the small town of Wernersville, everyone seems to have an opinion about the sharp-tongued Kate and her long-suffering husband.

Amanda Baez, 32, an assistant at her mother's Wernersville hair salon and an avid watcher of the show, said she's not concerned about the children's welfare.

"This is all the children know, especially the sextuplets since they were babies. They grew up with cameras in their faces. They grew up with the production," she said. "It's probably like having their aunt and uncle with the family video camera just watching you."

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AP Television Writer Frazier Moore contributed to this story from New York.

WERNERSVILLE, Pa. — In a cold dose of reality for reality TV, Pennsylvania's Labor Department has opened an investigation into whether the hit show "Jon & Kate Plus 8" is complying with state ch...
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- DeeW I'm a Fan of DeeW 25 fans permalink

what about all the other reality shows out there with kids? And why are peole obsessed with huge "littler-like" families anyway?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:06 PM on 05/29/2009
- Imzadi I'm a Fan of Imzadi 74 fans permalink
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I hope this trainwreck is closed down.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:29 PM on 05/29/2009
- Jazz88105 I'm a Fan of Jazz88105 10 fans permalink

this is such crap are they going to investigate all the other shows about big families. i love this show and i think this is all about money people like kate's brother and sister-in-law were not making any money off the family and not their trying to ruin them

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:57 PM on 05/29/2009

noooo it's about Jon & Kate making $$$$ off the backs of their children these kids are gonna be slaughtered in school for having their baths, potty training and tantrums shown to millions of viewers every week.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:55 PM on 05/29/2009
- Bulbul I'm a Fan of Bulbul 44 fans permalink
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Who the heck are these people, never have heard of them, until a weeks ago....
And it is more than enough, we neither care, nor need to know their daily routine.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:24 PM on 05/29/2009
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then go find a story you care about and comment away...

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:30 PM on 05/29/2009

I think not caring about this family or their antics or their use of time and space is an admirable quality in people.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:45 PM on 05/29/2009
- conniedogs I'm a Fan of conniedogs 13 fans permalink

LOL

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:46 PM on 05/29/2009
- Bulbul I'm a Fan of Bulbul 44 fans permalink
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Gladly, after weeks of enduring of this saga being thrown in our face on a daily basis ..,..

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:03 AM on 05/30/2009
- katielady I'm a Fan of katielady 19 fans permalink

and the brother and sister-in-law are asking $30Gs for these interviews...

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:22 PM on 05/29/2009

According to....? Citation please.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:02 PM on 05/29/2009
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Link to your info??????????

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:18 PM on 05/29/2009

How do you know?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:22 PM on 05/29/2009
- SweetTart I'm a Fan of SweetTart 29 fans permalink

Yes Kate - do tell where you learned this info. Who is your source?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:38 PM on 05/29/2009
- lmvd3 I'm a Fan of lmvd3 18 fans permalink

Touche, SweetTart!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:50 PM on 05/29/2009

All of this exploitation reminds me of the movie that I saw once on the Dionne Quints. I just googled them and found this

http://gosselinswithoutpity.blogspot.com/2008/07/open-letter-from-dionne-quintuplets.html

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:19 PM on 05/29/2009
- PunKinPai I'm a Fan of PunKinPai 22 fans permalink
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Yeah, just like them...not. The government took the Dionne girls away from their families, made them wards of the crown, penned them up and exhibited them like animals in a zoo. They were probed, texted, and studied and spent their childhoods in near isolation.

Let's compare: The Gosselin kids live in their own home--a rather nice one, thanks to the show. They have travel, educational, cultural and entertainment opportunities most of us could only dream about; it doesn't matter who pays for it, they still have the experience. They have two loving parents who are having marital difficulties, a circumstance that's hardly limited to reality show families. The Gosselins will be able to afford college for all their kids; the Dionnes were tutored in their fake home. They're healthy, well fed, well dressed, well educated, and well cared for.

If you don't like the show, don't watch. And don't get all judgmental over people you've never met.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:02 AM on 05/30/2009
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yet that is just what you did, got all judgmental over ppl you have never met.. you judge the kids to be happy , well educated and cultural... others see it differently... maybe you can have your take on things, others have theirs... let the state decided what is in the best interest of the kids... that is why they are looking into it....

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:16 AM on 05/30/2009
- bloity I'm a Fan of bloity 5 fans permalink
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Thank you PKP for stating the truth about the Dionne girls. As a Canadian who has studied my country's history, I'll clarify further. This family was french Canadian at a time when Upper Canada, known today as Ontario and Toronto and Ottawa, and the Catholic church practiced systematic human rights discrimination against the french people for many generations. The govt lied and bullied and stole these kids from their poverty stricken french parents because they felt the couple couldn't do a good job raising them as well as the English folk could. In fact the govt could have cared less about these kids and this family but rather just saw an opportunity to use these kids as a cash cow by putting them on parade in a circus environment for Upper Canada's families enjoyment. This systematic discrimination of the french for generations by the govt and the Catholic Church led to the French people rising up in the 60s & 70s to demand their rightful place in Canada as 1st class citizens for the first time. And since that time the french politicians have used the french people as pawns in their political aspirations and turf fight with the federal govt which has led to umpteen referendums to separate from Canada.

So please folks, stop comparing the Gosselins with the Dionnes because they sit'ns are vastly different.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:37 AM on 05/30/2009

I honestly can't believe anyone has any interest in watching other people on 'reality' television. I don't have tv so I can't say I've seen the show, but I'd feel terrible for any kids who were placed in this situation without having any rights to make a choice in the matter.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:13 PM on 05/29/2009

I can't blame John for cheating on this woman. A man can only take so much.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:00 PM on 05/29/2009
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Again, as my midwestern mother used to say:

"There are no unwilling doormats."

Not saying either party is without guilt in their marital problems, but certainly they are not eiher of them blameless.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:08 PM on 05/29/2009
- lmvd3 I'm a Fan of lmvd3 18 fans permalink

Well now. She may be a witch, rude and arrogant, but he is as responsible for his own bad actions as is she. You cannot blame her for his cheating, and you cannot blame him for her arrogance and emotional abuse.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:52 PM on 05/29/2009

I want to know what the difference is between all the other shows on TLC with kids espically the show "18 and counting" they are exploting there kids too where is the criticism for them ? If you are going to moan and groan about kids being in front of cameras then complain about all of them not just this one show !!!!! The relatives just want a piece of the pie that is why they are complaining now, how much are they making by talking about them now where we they 4 years ago ? They are just jealous and why are we moaning and groaning about 2 hours a day what about child actors that are on a set for 8 hours !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:53 PM on 05/29/2009
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I have not watched the other Breeder shows. If they allow unfettered access to their kids 247, including into their bedrooms, that is exploitation.

I think Jon & Kate, much to their dismay, will bring change to the Breeder shows. If the children's images are used for commercial purposes, the children--not the parents--are due payment.

I hope that the investigation assesses for the need for an inquiry into whether any crime has been committed against any of the children, and I think you know what crime I mean.

All of those strangers having access to the kids--even where they sleep--with the parents not even being home for weeks at a time....that sure sonds like a set-up for disaster. Especially when the kids would likely be reluctant to go to their parents for protection (if the parents were home, that is) because the kids must have gotten the message "we need you in front of the cameras to pay the bills."

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:02 PM on 05/29/2009

if you watch the show they DON'T have acess to them 24/7 and film crews are not allowed in the bedrooms !!!!!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:05 PM on 05/29/2009
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you have that backwards.. kid actors a certain age are only allowed on the set 2 hours a day...if they follow Coogan Law..Gosselin kids are being filmed 8 hours a day at times...

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:32 PM on 05/29/2009
- Charity I'm a Fan of Charity 16 fans permalink
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Coogan law only applies to the states of California, New York, Louisiana and New Mexico, apparently,and does not apply to hours per day a child can work. It does however apply to the earnings of a child. Jackie Coogan's parents took his money; hence, the law.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:44 PM on 05/29/2009
- SweetTart I'm a Fan of SweetTart 29 fans permalink

Liz - I don't believe the claim that they only film two hours per day. As just one example, there was an episode where Jon took a number of the children to a ball game. They arrived long before the game started, stayed through the entire game, and were clearly pretty tired by the end of it. However, they couldn't go home because they had to stay longer to meet with the players and do a photo op. That day had to have lasted at least 8 hours. And those children were working, in that they probably didn't care one bit about meeting the ball players and would have preferred to head home before the game was over. But they couldn't, because the meet and greet was part of their work day. Two hours my aunt Fanny!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:48 PM on 05/29/2009
- Shzron1946 I'm a Fan of Shzron1946 3 fans permalink

I do need to add, though that the kids have complained--on camera--by saying "No cameras now, please" to the camera men on more than one occasion, especially the little boy who wears glasses, don't know if he is Joel or Aaden. I guess they were taught to do that when they had had enough.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:52 PM on 05/29/2009
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That is not the responsibility of the child! Children are not equipped to know when intrusiveness is too much.

Where in the heII are the parents? Oh, on a book tour or boinking a schoolteacher.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:03 PM on 05/29/2009
- SweetTart I'm a Fan of SweetTart 29 fans permalink

Isn't it sad that they have to tell the camera crew "enough," because their parents won't do it for them.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:40 PM on 05/29/2009
- Shzron1946 I'm a Fan of Shzron1946 3 fans permalink

This is interesting: I know that there was an episode where Kate left the kids with Jodi while she was out of town. During that visit, the children lied to Jodi and said their Mom allows them to chew bubble gum, so she gave it to them. Later, when Kate discovered the kids had had gum, she complained that anyone would have to be stupid to give kids gum. We never saw Jodi on the show again, although she had been in several episodes before that time, helping out with the kids. I guess Jodi was one of the many who got fired, and now she is hitting back by telling people not to watch the show. Frankly Jodi, I think you and the brother need to shut up, you are looking really jealous and Jon and Kate don't need that. Just some quiet support from behind the scenes--that is if you are really caring and supportive families. Just stay out of the media.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:48 PM on 05/29/2009
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Jodi's motivations are irrelevant to the charges of child exploitation.

THe parents let strangers with cameras have access to them 24/7, even in their bedrooms. The children are constantly exhibited, like zoo animals.

The Dionne sisters received millions of dollars from the Canadian government for the government's exploitation of the sisters.

I wonder how much the Gosselin children will get from their parents and TLC?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:52 PM on 05/29/2009

As a child I would rather have cameras in my face 24-7 and have a huge roomie house, yearly family vacations, and plenty of money for snacks and toys than to have grown up in a cramped house, no adequate transporation (because there are too many to fit) and turned 18 with my brothers and sisters and realized there was no money for college, no money to move out, and no money to start my life with.

I think they are doing the right thing, if I had the opportunity I would have volunteered myself at birth! Hell I will probably still volunteer myself!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:09 PM on 05/29/2009
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If anyone thinks the kids will not be impacted by this exploitation, look up the Dionne sisters. Read their book, "We Were Five."

The similiarites beween the Dionne children ad the Gosslein children are many...but, IMO, the Gosselin childre have it much worse.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:48 PM on 05/29/2009
- PunKinPai I'm a Fan of PunKinPai 22 fans permalink
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You're daft. Just how is it "worse"? The Dionnes were taken away from the parents, made wards of the state, treated like lab experiments and exhibited like monkeys in a zoo. The only people suggesting the Gosselin kids be taken away from their parents are people like you.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:19 AM on 05/30/2009

this would be the most wonderful thing to happen to these parents...

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:45 PM on 05/29/2009
- vew I'm a Fan of vew 8 fans permalink

Not too much difference between what these children are living through and want the Dionne quints lived through in the 1930's when people watched them through glass walls. Your every movement watched- your life is not your own. I refuse to watch shows like these which are only for the benefit of the "parents" to make money. So watch other shows and avoid these types.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:27 PM on 05/29/2009
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I think what the Gosselin children are going through is actually worse. The Dionne sisters were exhibited like zoo animals, but mostly they didn't see the people observing them, and the people were not given free access to their living space, including their bedrooms, 24/7.

The Dionne sisters won milions of dollars from Canada for their exploitation. The Gosselin children have suffered much worse exploitation. I wonder what their settlement will be?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:40 PM on 05/29/2009
- PunKinPai I'm a Fan of PunKinPai 22 fans permalink
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What's the problem with you people and kiddies' bedrooms? First, cameras are not allowed into the kids' bedrooms. Second, it's not 24/7 and has never been; Sundays have always been off-limits, the crew doesn't live in the home, and they only shoot a few weeks a year. The children are not photographed naked or exposed. They may have been topless as tiny tots in diapers and maybe a tush or two were exposed when they were potty training. Big deal.

I suspect those who think the kids are shown in the shower, on the toilet, and naked have never watched and get their information from tabloids.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:30 AM on 05/30/2009
- SweetTart I'm a Fan of SweetTart 29 fans permalink

It's interesting that fans of this show don't want to address the issue of the Dionne quints, because then they'd have to admit their participation in viewing these children as circus animals, and their filming something that should be done for their viewing pleasure.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:44 PM on 05/29/2009
- conniedogs I'm a Fan of conniedogs 13 fans permalink

Working those poor kids like a sweat shop operation.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:22 PM on 05/29/2009
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1. Jon and Kate should BOTH be turned over someone's knee and paddled.
2. As far as I can tell, TLC has become the network of highlighting either medical "freaks" (I mean that in both a good and bad way. Some shows are genuinely informative; others exist merely to give people something to gape at.) or families where having fewer than 10 kids is just plain wimpy.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:54 PM on 05/29/2009
- Imzadi I'm a Fan of Imzadi 74 fans permalink
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TLC no longer means "learning" it stands for exploitative lame.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:29 PM on 05/29/2009
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