'Jon & Kate' Stars Being Investigated Over Child Labor Complaint

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MICHAEL RUBINKAM | May 29, 2009 04:49 PM EST | AP

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In this photo taken Thursday, May 28, 2009, the home of Jon and Kate Gosselin and their eight young children is seen in Wernersville, Pa. Jon, Kate and their eight have attracted a huge TV audience and a state labor investigation. The Pennsylvania Department of Labor says it's looking into whether the hit reality show "Jon & Kate Plus 8" is complying with the state's child labor law, given the tender ages of its stars. (AP Photo/Carolyn Kaster)

WERNERSVILLE, Pa. — In a cold dose of reality for reality TV, Pennsylvania's Labor Department has opened an investigation into whether the hit show "Jon & Kate Plus 8" is complying with state child labor laws.

The TLC series about two parents raising 8-year-old twins and 5-year-old sextuplets drew nearly 10 million viewers for its fifth-season premiere Monday _ more than double the audience for its fourth-season finale several weeks ago _ following media reports that the parents, Jon and Kate Gosselin, had cheated on each other. They denied it, but conceded their marriage is in trouble.

TLC said Friday it "fully complies" with state laws and regulations.

The Labor Department received a complaint against the show and is "gathering information" from its representatives, department spokesman Justin Fleming told The Associated Press. Fleming would not say when the complaint was filed or who filed it.

The fact a complaint is being investigated doesn't necessarily mean the department believes the show did anything wrong.

"Any complaint we get, we investigate," Fleming said.

Child actors and other young performers are protected by Pennsylvania labor law, but it's not clear whether the law applies to reality TV. Investigators will have to decide whether the Gosselins' house in southeastern Pennsylvania is essentially a TV set where producers direct much of the action _ in which case the law may apply _ or if it's a home where the kids aren't really working but are simply living their lives, albeit in front of the cameras.

Kate's brother and sister-in-law made waves this week by saying the Gosselins are exploiting their children for financial gain. Jon and Kate Gosselin are reportedly paid tens of thousands of dollars per episode.

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"Unfortunately, I think it has come down to all about the ratings," sister-in-law Jodi Kreider told CBS' "The Early Show." "And no one is looking at these children as what they are going through and the life consequences they are going to have as they get older."

Kreider said the children have told her they don't like the cameras.

Her husband and Kate's brother, Kevin Kreider, said in the same interview: "You can't imagine as a child realizing that my birthday party, that all the outings that my parents took me on were ... for ratings, and all organized by production companies."

TLC spokeswoman Laurie Goldberg said in a statement Friday that the network "fully complies with all applicable laws and regulations" for all shows.

"For an extended period of time, we have been engaged in cooperative discussions and supplied all requested information to the Pennsylvania Department of Labor," Goldberg said.

Child labor laws vary by state. Pennsylvania law permits kids who are at least 7 to work in the entertainment industry, as long as a permit is obtained and certain rules are followed. Kids can't generally work after 11:30 p.m., for example, or perform any place that serves alcohol.

The law allows performers younger than 7 to have "temporary employment ... in the production of a motion picture," and spend up to eight hours a day and 44 hours a week on set as long as their "educational instruction, supervision, health and welfare" needs are being met.

In contrast, California has more elaborate rules governing the work of child performers, establishing working hours by age group (20 minutes a day for infants, up to six hours for older kids) and requiring a teacher to be on the set.

"Jon & Kate Plus 8" tapes off and on throughout the year, averaging two to three hours a day, two to three days a week, Goldberg said.

George Voegele, a labor lawyer at Cozen O'Connor in Philadelphia, said the state Labor Department might well decide it doesn't have jurisdiction over the show, especially if investigators determine the cameras are there to document the kids, not direct them.

"The fundamental question I see here is whether or not they're employees, whether they're working, and whether the Pennsylvania child labor law provisions would even apply to this situation," he said.

The Pennsylvania investigation recalls a 2007 controversy surrounding "Kid Nation," a CBS reality show about 40 children given the task of organizing and running their own lives in New Mexico.

The Screen Actors Guild and others suggested the children were being exploited and one trade magazine said the show was skirting New Mexico labor laws by declaring the production a "summer camp." Producers denied the accusations; the show lasted 13 episodes.

Seeking more space for their brood, the Gosselins moved in October into a $1.1 million house on nearly 24 acres with a white picket fence and gated, tree-lined driveway.

A few miles away, in the small town of Wernersville, everyone seems to have an opinion about the sharp-tongued Kate and her long-suffering husband.

Amanda Baez, 32, an assistant at her mother's Wernersville hair salon and an avid watcher of the show, said she's not concerned about the children's welfare.

"This is all the children know, especially the sextuplets since they were babies. They grew up with cameras in their faces. They grew up with the production," she said. "It's probably like having their aunt and uncle with the family video camera just watching you."

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AP Television Writer Frazier Moore contributed to this story from New York.

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Or we could just teach children resilience instead of victim-hood.

And let's get rid of all the psychologists while we are at it.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:51 PM on 05/29/2009
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Amen.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:52 PM on 05/29/2009

Yes, because exploited and abused children should just "get over it" and certainly society has no role to play in protecting children.

You have been fixed, right?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:11 PM on 05/29/2009

"exploited" - everyone is exploited - it is loaded term.
"protecting" - protecting from what exactly? parents has the right to tell their children what to do. And if that means to play in front of a camera, then so be it.

All these arm chair shrinks already proclaiming adulthood mental issues because of this show just contributes to the weakening of our society. In the end it just fills the pockets of psychologists eager to call everyone maladjusted from their childhoods. The psychological counseling industry is a total scam.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:40 PM on 05/29/2009
- blukazoo I'm a Fan of blukazoo 15 fans permalink

Resiliance to slavery? How do you do that?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:13 PM on 05/29/2009

chores = slavery ?

no wonder young adults and kids these days are lazy with an unfounded sense of entitlement.

Have you been to any professor forums lately that discuss the attitude of new students at secondary education institutions? It is very disheartening. The generation starting University programs now are basically spoiled brats. But hey, let's not tell our children what to do when they are young. After all, that would be slavery. Heaven forbid they learn respect for authority.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:43 PM on 05/29/2009
- SweetTart I'm a Fan of SweetTart 35 fans permalink

Maybe you could write a letter to the surviving Dionne quints telling them to quit being "victims." I'm sure a bracing letter will buck them right up!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:01 AM on 05/30/2009

Karma's a bitch, eh Kate!

Gain the world, Lose your soul - Matthew 16:26

take care, blessings

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:49 PM on 05/29/2009
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And now, after four years, somebody complains that the kids may be exploited?

It's pretty fishy to me.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:49 PM on 05/29/2009

the real issue is 1. they had these kids at this #; and 2. the low-level American tv viewers who watch this wh......ing crap-----------

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:46 PM on 05/29/2009
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2a) the low-level Americans commenting about J+K+8

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:54 PM on 05/29/2009

Sadly, these children have absolutely no say. How they'll feel when they are older about this reality show and how cameras have followed every minute details of their lives remains to be seen. This is all about the parents.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:41 PM on 05/29/2009
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Probably no worse then the children being abused on a daily basis. Bet you never think about those kids, much less volunteer your time to help.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:50 PM on 05/29/2009
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That's a ridiculous argument.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:57 PM on 05/29/2009
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They are being abused on a daily basis. Their daily lives are being sold out for public consumption by the two people who are supposed to take care of them and those kids have no privacy or a place to feel safe. That's abuse in my book.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:14 PM on 05/29/2009
- blukazoo I'm a Fan of blukazoo 15 fans permalink

Oh, I think about them and try to help. I can't fathom why it should be allowed because a whole bunch of people like to watch. I'm not sure being abused in public and having it recorded for posterity (so you can relive it when your older) isn't worse than being abused in private...

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:16 PM on 05/29/2009
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It's about time. The Coogan Law needs to be tweaked.

Is it true that plans are now underway to begin a movie about them?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:39 PM on 05/29/2009
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When your wife berates you on TV , Jon is going to cheat to reclaim his manhood.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:31 PM on 05/29/2009
- sbrown80 I'm a Fan of sbrown80 43 fans permalink

Wow! That was ignorant. And pple talk about misogynism in rap? This is an example that most men have this idiotic notion that cheating is reclaiming manhood.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:45 PM on 05/29/2009

Yeah. WTF kind of statement is that anyway?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:14 PM on 05/29/2009
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What was ignorant about this statement. If a person berates you on national TV, then that person has no respect for you whatsoever. Then one has to look for respect else where in the arms of another person. Therefore , i guess you like to be disrespected becasue you have no respect for yourself. Oh honey, stay for the kids!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:17 PM on 05/29/2009
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This is not the only big family on a 'Reality' show. If there were no alleged trangressions against the parents, this wouldn't be of importance to anyone.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:26 PM on 05/29/2009
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spell check. . . . 'transgressions'

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:29 PM on 05/29/2009
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The in-laws are right. There does need to be some kind of legislation protecting minors in reality tv shows. It's not just these parents that are exploitive--all the desperate housewife shows are putting children in uncomfortable situations that they have no control over

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:24 PM on 05/29/2009
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Like the episode where the five old wh.ores of the OC sat around and watched a 17 year old daughter get drunk while she partied with them.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:18 PM on 05/29/2009
- DawnK I'm a Fan of DawnK 20 fans permalink

Enough already!!! Kate is a b*tch, Jon is a wuss and they have a lot of kids and a lame reality show. I doubt they are breaking child labor laws. If it wasn't for the show they would have a zillion kids and two parents who hate each other living in an apartment instead.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:23 PM on 05/29/2009
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oh man , I saw a story earlier today about a man who has 21 kid, he is 29 yrs old and he had them with 11 diff women.. they range in age from new born to 11 yrs old.. he claims to be a good day because he knows all of their names and their birth dates..and no, no show is in the works for him.....yet......

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:04 PM on 05/29/2009
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TLC probably tipped them off to drum up even more ratings. It's all about money to these ppl.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:20 PM on 05/29/2009
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It would not surprise me. They got more press today!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:36 PM on 05/29/2009
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The show is ridiculas. It has been since the beginning. I don't understand why people would want to watch any of these shows.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:45 PM on 05/29/2009
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Who knows? Jon or Kate may have made the call themselves? There would be no way they can get out of the TLC contract even if they wanted to and thought it was in the best interest of the family or kids, unless they can prove (through state social services) that the contract was illegal and was therefore harming these kids.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:16 PM on 05/29/2009
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not much basis in reality here.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:36 PM on 05/29/2009
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Consider the lack of involvement the parents have had in their kids' lives. Kate is gone 20 days out of the month,a nd Jon has a young girlfriend to keep entertained.

Their priorities are elsewhere. IMO, that speaks again any convoluted excuse like "it was the only way they could get out of the contract."

It's clear they don't want to get out of the contract. If they did, all they would have to do is claim that the kids' lives were being harmed, and there is no way TLC would fight them on it.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:58 PM on 05/29/2009
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Wow. Maybe the right wingnuts have a point. The people posting here seem pretty hateful.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:12 PM on 05/29/2009
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Only about certain topics. This woman exhudes h@te, whether it's all for show or not. Those who give it, get it in return.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:14 PM on 05/29/2009
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Indeed. Kate is wound so tightly around her own kids, that it is painful to watch. She constantly berates them for getting dirty or making a mess. The only time that she is nice to the kids is when they thank her for doing something for them.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:56 PM on 05/29/2009
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OK, I have seen the show... and I don't agree with the harsh vilification of 'Kate'. I can't say that I would have made all the same decisions that she has made.... and I have no desire to have a litter of kids... but anyone who has children (as I do) , should understand that it is a TON of work. I can see why she may have to bark orders at her oft-clueless husband... in a lot of ways, everything they must do is perfunctory.

I do feel like she is just trying to do the best with the situation she's created for herself. They were both pretty young when they had their gaggle of kids, and tumbled into all of this responsibility... It is obvious that her husband is going through some sort of 'I-missed-my-youth' issues. I think the media should give them a break. I don't think they are harmful parents, it does seem like they got on a fast-moving train and don't really know how to get off... but still, they have had to figure out a way to support 8 children, and still get to see them & spend time with them.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:11 PM on 05/29/2009
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well put , great post


marked as favorite

I am now a fan

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:15 PM on 05/29/2009
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well maybe the state has found away to get the kids off the train..

she is a RN he is an IT annalist.. I know , not as sexy as being famous for taking the right kind of meds then hitting the kiddie lotto.. but that with the money they have all ready made, 1.5 million last year for just the show alone.. seems to me they might be able to figure out how to make it...

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:15 PM on 05/29/2009
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Jon... is also a college drop-out... not ideal in this economy. The bottom line is, we will not agree on this... we probably have very different thresholds. I actually expect for the father of my children to help out when he is at home... that is an expectation, not an indication of someone going above-and-beyond the call of duty. Brushing teeth, giving baths, getting them dressed... that's all part of the deal. For BOTH parents.

Again, no one has addressed the vilification of Kate... and somehow Jon has been cut slack in all of this. Women are expected to be perfect mothers... and I have yet to meet one. Perhaps you are one... but I am not... and I doubt that Kate claims to be one. I too, have a husband that travels often, and can be away for months at a time (overseas). My children had colic (or acid reflux), severe allergies... and bottom line, it is difficult... and we all do the best we can. I don't begrudge Kate the money that her family has earned, nor do I ASSUME that she is wildly spending the children's money. The authorities are more than welcome to investigate their situation (and they likely have, and will), while no one has to agree with all of Jon & Kate's decisions... I don't think they'll find anything that meets the criteria of abuse or neglect.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:57 PM on 05/29/2009
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Marked as favorite, too. Great post.

Also, I don't know if anyone else has noticed, but the press has been pretty harsh on Kate. People Mag, Us, the rest of the ilk have headlined her "Monster" "Witch" etc. Whatever you may think, it's someone's mother doing the best she can with NINE children.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:20 PM on 05/29/2009
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Have you ever watched the show at all?

If not, go to YouTube and search "ugly moments". If that's her best, she should try harder.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:24 PM on 05/29/2009
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Have you ever watched the show at all?

If not, go to YouTube and search "u.gly moments". If that's her best, she should try harder.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:25 PM on 05/29/2009
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might be true but whatelse is true is kate's confession of
being too much of a b*tch towards john, so she is admitting
being just what she is being accused of via the media...

so not sure why you might be defending her.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:51 PM on 05/29/2009

Agreed! Kate has nine children and I think that she is an amazing woman to handle what she does.

And as I've started previously, if the two of them didn't do this show, they would probably be on welfare right now. No way they could have afforded to raise all those adorable children with Kate's nursing job and whatever it was that Jon used to do...before he decided he missed his youth.

Kate has a heavy load on her shoulders. My thoughts and prayers are with them.

As to the brother and sister in-law (who probably lodged the complaint), I do hope your happy and I do hope the rest of the family gets all over you for this. You were and are out of line. Obvisously, being on the show didn't give you enough of your 15 minutes of fame....

Stay strong Kate! Jon! You and yours are going to be fine.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:21 PM on 05/29/2009
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She could probably make more money if she sold weed to the neighborhood teenagers. Would that be ok too, since the alternative is welfare or are there some things that money cannot justify?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:26 PM on 05/29/2009
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Uh...get a freaking job? One that does not involve ripping off your own children economically. You can't use the cost of having to support eight kids as an excuse to make money by exploiting those children.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:22 PM on 05/29/2009

Who called 9-1-1 and complained???

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:11 PM on 05/29/2009
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911 operators get cable too. No one had to call.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:12 PM on 05/29/2009
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Go over to the GWoP blog - people have been calling for this for a while now.

On a PA local blog, there are people calling for a tax investigation, too.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:16 PM on 05/29/2009
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Child Protective Services are not involved! The Labor Department is looking into this to see if it's a documentary or a TV show! What do you want to bet that the state is satisfied with the situation. TLC is a billion dollar concern. Does anyone really think they would jeopardize their company by abusing children? Believe me you are only seeing a fraction of what is performed before the TV crew. The reality is that these people are just fine and laughing all the way to the bank.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:43 PM on 05/29/2009
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