Baucus Battered By Voters For Health Care Stand

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Sen. Max Baucus got some not-so friendly advice from his Montana constituents last week as he works to reform the health care system: You're doing it all wrong.

Baucus, the chair of the Finance Committee and the leader of reform efforts in the Senate, scheduled 20 town hall meetings with constituents across the state to talk about the future of health care. The Senate was out of session, but Baucus, a Democrat, didn't personally attend. Instead, he sent staff and a video-recorded message.

"I really want to hear from all of you," Baucus said on the video, according to local media. "You're my employers. You're my bosses. You're the people I work for. I'm just the hired hand. I want to hear what you want to see in any legislation we pass in Washington, D.C."

He got what he asked for.

Five separate accounts of the meetings, published in four different local papers, show Montana voters were downright hostile to Baucus' reform proposal. Baucus has been a staunch opponent of single-payer health care, a system in which the government would provide universal coverage.

Baucus has kept single-payer advocates out of negotiations and has yet to endorse a compromise proposal by Sen. Charles Schumer (D-N.Y.) that would give Americans the option of buying into a publicly run plan that would compete with private insurers.

That stance put his staffers up against a wall, facing angry constituents fed up by what they viewed as a lack of courage in Washington.

"Majority wants single-payer health care," headlined an account in the Helena Independent Record.

At several of the events, Montanans' ire was directed at Baucus chief of staff Jon Selib, who defended the employer-based coverage system that he estimated covers 150 million Americans.
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"A lot of people like that," Selib said.

When the time came for questions, [self-employed consultant Steve] McArthur stood up and asked a simple question. Looking across a standing-room-only crowd of about 275, he asked how many were happy with their employer-based health insurance.

Fewer than 10 people raised their hands.

"The [argument] is bogus," McArthur said. "It's not working for 95 percent of us."

In fact, any mention of single-payer health care insurance brought raucous cheers and clapping. Any other solution to health care reform - including Baucus' "balanced" plan that would create a mix of public and private plans - was received more coolly.


The bitter questioning led Selib to break some news at the meeting.

"If you think your insurance company is screwing you ... then you'd have the option of going to the public plan," Selib said. "Senator Baucus is fighting tooth and nail to include that in any final deal."

Then he asked the standing-room-only audiences for comments -- and got an earful, mostly on the whys, hows and whats of national health insurance as the preferred option.



Baucus' staff repeatedly argued that 60 votes are needed to move a bill through the Senate and that single-payer, or an otherwise bold reform, simply wouldn't pass. That wasn't what they wanted to hear, said a story in the Missoulian, "Single-payer health care: Baucus keeps getting an earful."

PABLO - Sen. Max Baucus' insistence that consideration of a national single-payer health plan at this point will squander a golden opportunity for health care reform in the United States continues to be met with stiff resistance from many of his constituents.

"The word 'insurance' does not equal health care," Janelle Kuechle of Polson said at a meeting here Thursday. "If I have to pay a $900 premium to have health insurance with a $10,000 deductible, that is not health care."

"Congress ought to be representing us instead of the insurance lobby," said retired school teacher John Oberlitner of Polson. "Max Baucus has stated it's not feasible to pass a single-payer health plan, but one year ago people were saying it was not feasible that Obama could be elected our president."

Voters in Livingston weren't much warmer, recorded the Bozeman Daily Chronicle.

But many in the audience grilled a Baucus staffer on why they wouldn't allow single-payer advocates to participate in roundtables held to form his plan. Several doctors were arrested for protesting that point in Washington two weeks ago during a Baucus-led discussion.

Judy Moor of Bozeman asked whether the big campaign dollars Baucus has received from the insurance industry was reason for suspicion.

"Single-payer advocates not giving up the fight," observed the Great Falls Tribune.

Proponents of single-payer showed up en masse at the most well-attended meetings in Missoula, Hamilton, Anaconda, Dillon and Livingston to urge Baucus -- the chairman of the Senate Finance Committee -- to consider single-payer universal health care. Single payer -- a system in which the government provides health insurance to all Americans -- has been declared "off the table" by Baucus, Congress' leading man on heath care reform.

Baucus isn't pushing hard enough, said a Helena business owner, summing up the statewide wisdom. "Max is really making me mad now because he's not really trying to change the system, he's just trying to tweak it."

Sen. Max Baucus got some not-so friendly advice from his Montana constituents last week as he works to reform the health care system: You're doing it all wrong. Baucus, the chair of the Finance Commi...
Sen. Max Baucus got some not-so friendly advice from his Montana constituents last week as he works to reform the health care system: You're doing it all wrong. Baucus, the chair of the Finance Commi...
 
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Notice Baucus didn't attend any of those town hall meetings himself. He knew what the reception would be so the coward sent his staff. With this guy it really is all about the benjamins.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:50 AM on 06/02/2009
- dillydawg I'm a Fan of dillydawg 58 fans permalink
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Exactly!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:56 AM on 06/02/2009

The American political system is as broken as its privatized health system and its whole corporate oligarchy. Baucus, a politician in the pocket of the health insurance industry, can be voted out of office. But what will replace him? A Republican who is even more corrupted. Americans, who get their information and their view of the world from corporate media, still think that they have the best health system in the world - when the opposite is true. Copying Canada's health system, for instance, would be a solution - it would lead to much better results, great savings and vastly increased satisfaction throughout the population - ask Canadians. All that rubbish about waiting lists and socialist this and that is simply propaganda put out by the American health insurance behemoth and propagated by the corporate media and industry-controlled politicians like Baucus. I don't see much hope for America. The downward spiral toward banana--republic status is accelerating. Enjoy the trip.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:46 AM on 06/02/2009
- SKonnery I'm a Fan of SKonnery 4 fans permalink

Congress has no problem giving away billions to keep banks and the auto industry from going belly up. When the people who are picking up the tab for this giveaway ask for a simple human right of decent health care they suddenly don't have the money or don't want to interfere with profits of these health care companies. Single payor healthcare for all is the only bill we will accept. It will be obvious by the vote who the bought and paid for legislators are. The vote against the wishes of the people at their own risk as we get to vote after they vote.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:44 AM on 06/02/2009
- jetphixer I'm a Fan of jetphixer 8 fans permalink

Simple answer for my friends in MT Either have this guy place single payer on the health care bill or fill out a unemployment insurance claim. He might get the message But than again not Its how much the Ins industry contribute to him Not Nuclear Physics or Rocket Science.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:40 AM on 06/02/2009
- magginkat I'm a Fan of magginkat 6 fans permalink
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I was just given this list of toll free numbers to call Congress. I haven't confirmed all of them but the first one works.

Toll free numbers to Congress:

800-828-0498, 800-459-1887 , 800-614-2803, 800-833-6354, 866-220-0044

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:15 AM on 06/02/2009
- bayside I'm a Fan of bayside 38 fans permalink
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When is he up for reelection­..He needs to be put out to pasture..E­ven israel is being subsidized with free quality health care, free higher eduction and given our money in the billions to threatened their neighbors. Congress gets free quality health care, full retirement after 2 years, we have to work 20 for full,many many perks subsidized by us and they dont want to give us one dime of our money to us.. Vote Liberals in if you really want change, not blue dogs who vote with republicans, then you will see change..

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:58 AM on 06/02/2009
- springsm I'm a Fan of springsm 52 fans permalink

No..in Montana you may end up with a red necked cowboy who will be another Conrad Burns...wh­o was the most corrupt Senator in Congres...­next to Ted Stevens. Baucus needs to know that even tho he is supported by the pharmacuetical companies that he has a constituentcy to suport AND since he is in the position he is in...he needs to remember the whole country is in his face. Maybe the Montana folks can make him think he isn't going to be re-elected and then maybe he will listen. Being the chair of a committee shouldn't mean..cont­rolling the subject to this extent. Why don't they get that?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:44 AM on 06/02/2009
- frappe I'm a Fan of frappe 206 fans permalink
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Baucus should be battered. It's clear that his efforts are aimed at pleasing not you and me -- but the special interests who fund his campaign. It is so very, very wrong. Don't let hm and the special interests deprive us of what we -- the MAJORITY -- want. And that, quite simply, is a public healthcare plan, preferably a single payer, universal plan. After all, it is we, the taxpayers, who will be paying for it.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:01 AM on 06/02/2009
- Altruth I'm a Fan of Altruth 58 fans permalink

A Senator only need to serve ONE term (6 years) and he or she is eligible for health care for life, their spouse and dependants under age 22 even if they die.

There is a rule, but there is also a provision to waive this rule which states: [paraphase­]...the employee must have been enrolled in the health plan for five years in order to keep the plan in retirement.

The link to the government benefit website where I confirmed this information is listed below: Also, look under FAQ.
http://www.opm.gov/insure/index.aspxx

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:25 AM on 06/02/2009
- Baja I'm a Fan of Baja permalink

Baucus "earns" about $162,000 a year govt salary as Senator.

Open Secrets.org has Baucus' Corporate Campaign Contributions since 1989 looking like this:

Lawyers/Law Firms $1,604,523 (Doesn't say if Corporate lawyers, or otherwise.­)
Securities & Investment $1,464,485
Insurance $1,184,113
Health Professionals $1,026,726
Pharmaceut­icals/Heal­th Products $739,605
Lobbyists $724,484
Real Estate $705,167
Hospitals/Nursing Homes $555,491
Pro-Israel $526,589
Commercial Banks $517,807
Electric Utilities $473,143
Health Services/HMOs $449,000
TV/Movies/Music $414,067
Misc Finance $369,890
Retail Sales $358,943
Retired $337,092
Beer, Wine & Liquor $316,743
Misc Manufacturing & Distributing $312,335
Business Services $308,654
Transportation Unions $305,925

If he works for the latter (private business), and not the former (we, the people), that's tantamount to contractual fraud....t­aking the people's money and not working for the people. Just the opposite, in fact. He is and has been AWOL from his sworn and paid duty. Perhaps it's time to put "political differences" aside and just go for the fraud charges. This applies to Kennedy too, and plenty of others.
At the Very Least, a Congress member with such economic bias towards non-public entities must recuse him or her self from decision-making roles involving those industries.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:12 AM on 06/02/2009

baja has posted that Baucus received millions from every special interest that could pay his price. He and most senators are accepting bribes to do bad thiings to the American public. baja posted how much Baucus is taking and none of you blinked. What does it take to make the American public angry?

Americans have become a bunch of dumbed - down cowards.

www.rense.com

www.fec.gov

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:56 PM on 06/02/2009

Can we please stop with this "It takes 60 votes to do anything" lie?

If Republicans can comfortably filibuster what the mainstream wants without worrying about their electability, Tim Kaine isn't doing his job, is he?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:01 AM on 06/02/2009

Totally agree. Filibuster here will not be a viable political option. Baucus need to grow a backbone here and listen to the will of his colleagues, the Dem Party, the President, and now his constituents. He should not let all his fundraising with healthcare industry corrupt his courage on this one.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:04 AM on 06/02/2009
- Chapmanp2 I'm a Fan of Chapmanp2 12 fans permalink

I am an Obama supporter who actively helped Obama get elected. I did so at least partially based on his promise of an open honest discussion on health care. Baucus is denying single payer advocates a seat at the table for those discussions & Obama is silent about that. No honest discussion can take place without (at the very least) allowing that side of the conversation a voice. It's clear that this process is rigged in return for huge campaign donations. Americans are sick to our stomachs. When people with back bone stand up to demand a voice for single payer they are arrested & removed from the people's house of business. ENOUGH!!!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:12 AM on 06/02/2009
- lvogt I'm a Fan of lvogt 25 fans permalink

Single payer is the best and most reasonable alternative and we're not going to get close to it with Bauchus

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:54 AM on 06/02/2009
- springsm I'm a Fan of springsm 52 fans permalink

It definately needs to be a choice. Have any of you heard Dr. H. Dean talk on this subject? He makes so much sense and he can explain what it should be/could be too. He isn't rabid or one sided, he really does have good thoughts and ideas.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:46 AM on 06/02/2009
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We've reached the fork in the road: United States of America or United Corporations of America (better said, United Transnational Corporations of America)

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:41 AM on 06/02/2009
- liberalbug I'm a Fan of liberalbug 45 fans permalink
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Thank you to the citizens of Montana for standing up to your bought off Senator. He belongs to you and not the insurance lobby and seems to have forgotten that. Health care in this country is a joke and the joker representatives think we are the fools. Time to unelect them and let them know the joke is on them.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:32 AM on 06/02/2009
- Zen0469 I'm a Fan of Zen0469 71 fans permalink
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When a citizen says "Congress ought to be representing us instead of the insurance lobby" it is a direct contradiction of what Max Baucus represents. Max has no intention of representing his constituents best interests. He's made up his mind to bed down with the healthcare lobbyists.

Of course Max is on record with a mealy mouthed statement that it's not feasible to pass a single-payer health plan. His hope is that this oblique remark will make the statement true and that the "natives" will then simply forget about the issue.

Does money have anything to do with the way Mr. Baucus sees the issue? Perhaps the voters will decide. Early retirement might be the solution.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:16 AM on 06/02/2009
- veritasor I'm a Fan of veritasor 3 fans permalink

When a politician is afraid to face his constituents, it is a clear sign of false representation and corruption. Please register: this person named Baucus is unsuited for any public office; if not impeached immediately, he and those alike must be unelected asap.

Single Payer is the best option for the great majority of American people and the country as a whole now and in the long run. The medical industrial complex and their cronies, like Baucus and the GOP leftovers, are counting on the ignorance of the people by defying the very basic democratic principle of open and fair debate and deliberation of all options, and certainly Single Payer.

Fool us once shame on you, fool us twice shame of us; they are trying to fool us forever to shackle us.

People power comes from people standing up for themselves and speaking up.

Nelson Mandela: "It always seems impossible until its done."

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:04 AM on 06/02/2009
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