Baucus Battered By Voters For Health Care Stand

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Posted: 06- 1-09 02:36 PM

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Sen. Max Baucus got some not-so friendly advice from his Montana constituents last week as he works to reform the health care system: You're doing it all wrong.

Baucus, the chair of the Finance Committee and the leader of reform efforts in the Senate, scheduled 20 town hall meetings with constituents across the state to talk about the future of health care. The Senate was out of session, but Baucus, a Democrat, didn't personally attend. Instead, he sent staff and a video-recorded message.

"I really want to hear from all of you," Baucus said on the video, according to local media. "You're my employers. You're my bosses. You're the people I work for. I'm just the hired hand. I want to hear what you want to see in any legislation we pass in Washington, D.C."

He got what he asked for.

Five separate accounts of the meetings, published in four different local papers, show Montana voters were downright hostile to Baucus' reform proposal. Baucus has been a staunch opponent of single-payer health care, a system in which the government would provide universal coverage.

Baucus has kept single-payer advocates out of negotiations and has yet to endorse a compromise proposal by Sen. Charles Schumer (D-N.Y.) that would give Americans the option of buying into a publicly run plan that would compete with private insurers.

That stance put his staffers up against a wall, facing angry constituents fed up by what they viewed as a lack of courage in Washington.

"Majority wants single-payer health care," headlined an account in the Helena Independent Record.

At several of the events, Montanans' ire was directed at Baucus chief of staff Jon Selib, who defended the employer-based coverage system that he estimated covers 150 million Americans.
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"A lot of people like that," Selib said.

When the time came for questions, [self-employed consultant Steve] McArthur stood up and asked a simple question. Looking across a standing-room-only crowd of about 275, he asked how many were happy with their employer-based health insurance.

Fewer than 10 people raised their hands.

"The [argument] is bogus," McArthur said. "It's not working for 95 percent of us."

In fact, any mention of single-payer health care insurance brought raucous cheers and clapping. Any other solution to health care reform - including Baucus' "balanced" plan that would create a mix of public and private plans - was received more coolly.


The bitter questioning led Selib to break some news at the meeting.

"If you think your insurance company is screwing you ... then you'd have the option of going to the public plan," Selib said. "Senator Baucus is fighting tooth and nail to include that in any final deal."

Then he asked the standing-room-only audiences for comments -- and got an earful, mostly on the whys, hows and whats of national health insurance as the preferred option.



Baucus' staff repeatedly argued that 60 votes are needed to move a bill through the Senate and that single-payer, or an otherwise bold reform, simply wouldn't pass. That wasn't what they wanted to hear, said a story in the Missoulian, "Single-payer health care: Baucus keeps getting an earful."

PABLO - Sen. Max Baucus' insistence that consideration of a national single-payer health plan at this point will squander a golden opportunity for health care reform in the United States continues to be met with stiff resistance from many of his constituents.

"The word 'insurance' does not equal health care," Janelle Kuechle of Polson said at a meeting here Thursday. "If I have to pay a $900 premium to have health insurance with a $10,000 deductible, that is not health care."

"Congress ought to be representing us instead of the insurance lobby," said retired school teacher John Oberlitner of Polson. "Max Baucus has stated it's not feasible to pass a single-payer health plan, but one year ago people were saying it was not feasible that Obama could be elected our president."

Voters in Livingston weren't much warmer, recorded the Bozeman Daily Chronicle.

But many in the audience grilled a Baucus staffer on why they wouldn't allow single-payer advocates to participate in roundtables held to form his plan. Several doctors were arrested for protesting that point in Washington two weeks ago during a Baucus-led discussion.

Judy Moor of Bozeman asked whether the big campaign dollars Baucus has received from the insurance industry was reason for suspicion.

"Single-payer advocates not giving up the fight," observed the Great Falls Tribune.

Proponents of single-payer showed up en masse at the most well-attended meetings in Missoula, Hamilton, Anaconda, Dillon and Livingston to urge Baucus -- the chairman of the Senate Finance Committee -- to consider single-payer universal health care. Single payer -- a system in which the government provides health insurance to all Americans -- has been declared "off the table" by Baucus, Congress' leading man on heath care reform.

Baucus isn't pushing hard enough, said a Helena business owner, summing up the statewide wisdom. "Max is really making me mad now because he's not really trying to change the system, he's just trying to tweak it."

Sen. Max Baucus got some not-so friendly advice from his Montana constituents last week as he works to reform the health care system: You're doing it all wrong. Baucus, the chair of the Finance Commi...
Sen. Max Baucus got some not-so friendly advice from his Montana constituents last week as he works to reform the health care system: You're doing it all wrong. Baucus, the chair of the Finance Commi...
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- kstuff I'm a Fan of kstuff 5 fans permalink

How do you go bankrupt over medical bills, even with good insurance? When you have a medical problem that's "too expensive" for the insurance company. In other words, the co. will find some BS reason to deny the treatment and you're forced to pay for it yourself or become debilitated/die. Example: my best friend is a heart transplant nurse, she's seen insurance companies deny transplants or deny the aftercare, or deny the home nursing, etc. At which point, you're way too stressed or ill to fight back.
You stop paying all other bills in hopes of scraping up enough money for your treatment, taking out a second loan on your home, etc. Bankruptcy becomes the only way of dealing with these massive debts.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:48 AM on 06/02/2009
- liberalbug I'm a Fan of liberalbug 52 fans permalink
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This should never, ever, happen here, but it does. There is no such thing as "good insurance" that you speak of. It is, at best, good "co pay insurance" that costs our families more every year. We are a country that has come to value money above all else. Consequently, friends like yours sadly get to see honest, needing people screwed in favor of the bottom line all the time.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:39 AM on 06/02/2009
- byla I'm a Fan of byla 31 fans permalink
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I worked as a nurse several years ago. We had one patient who had Hepatitis C. His parents wanted him to have a liver transplant and the doctor flat out told them they neither had the money nor would the insurance cover it. Then the doctor left instructions for us to convince the parents to make him a no code.

The insurance companies sets time frames for each illness. If you have this illness, then you can only stay so many days in the hospital. While that might work for a younger, healthier person, it rarely worked for elderly patients (which is what the floor generally had) What the doctors would end up doing was "find" another problem with the same patient, call in a specialist to look at the problem (and treat them for it) and the hospital stay could then be extended by a few more days. I witnessed patients have as many as four specialists called in just to extend their stay for the original illness.

It's time for health care professionals to stand up and say what's what. The insurance companies have been running our health for years.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:35 AM on 06/02/2009
- Baja I'm a Fan of Baja permalink

Baucus and Kennedy seem set to compel the nation to purchase Private Insurance (like the dismally failed Massachusetts plan). For those below a certain income, everyone's taxes will buy private insurers FOR them. Those who are well-off enough to buy this questionable service will be paying insurers twice---once directly, and again via income taxes. Who voted for that?
Too few realize that this also compels people to supply revenues to for-profit insurers to invest in just about every business on Wall Street.
Investments galore go to some of the worst health-damaging industries--- from cigarette manufacturing and tobacco pesticides, to chlorine, pesticides in general, nukes, GE "foods", military contractors, plastics, on to Big Oil and the rest.
Plenty of other insurer investments go off to mountaintop removal mining, top propagandistiic media conglomerates, sweat shop industries, union-busting firms, and businesses that may compete with ones own business or with ones own investment holdings.
Info about insurer investments is all there at the public documents at the Securities and Exchange Commission. Not easy to look up...but there.

This is not to mention the insurance money (for- and non-profit) for advertising, campaign contributions (to whom?), lobbying, conventions, corporate jets, CEO bonuses, and headquarter's lawn care and brass polish.
There are zero Public Interest connections there to justify a public mandate. Zero.
Besides the injustices indicated, how that can be valid under the Constitution's prohibitions of Compulsory Speech (to private insurers, et al) is a question.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:38 AM on 06/02/2009
- Eric8 I'm a Fan of Eric8 17 fans permalink

Well well, its long been known in the progressive movement, before the "savior" Obama came along, that Democrats were just as corporate as Republicans, its just a matter of flipping a coin. Our so called "democracy" works backwards: You see we elect officials to represent corporations against the onslaught of our infinite desires, Sen. Baucus is just protecting corporations from the "mob", or what some recite as "we the people". If our interests were taken literally, our problems would be rather few. But they are not, because we as a people are scared, fearful, and fundamentally weak. We accept defeat regularly, whether its GM cutting jobs, or Enron stealing pensions, we sure act like we live in a totalitarian state. In France, the birthplace of democracy, the government or business tries to take away penions or cut jobs and half the country goes on strike, protesting in solidarity. No philosopher or intellectual seems bright enough to point out that in America we sacrifice solidarity for individualism, which has been a perfect formula for corporations destroying unions and a fair wage over the last century. America used to be the place where we stole great ideas and made them ours, but now we would rather destroy the best ideas so that a few can profit in a meaningless monetary universe that ends in simple death. Pathetic.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:31 AM on 06/02/2009

I like the way U think. Keep talking.......

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:07 AM on 06/02/2009
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I applaud the people at those meetings from Montana. Senator Baucus has stated that his constituency was very conservative and wouldn't accept a single payer program. It would seem he has been proven wrong in regards to this issue. I just hope the people of Montana get another candidate in the democratic primary if Senator Baucus continues down the road for insurance industries.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:23 AM on 06/02/2009
- Alethea I'm a Fan of Alethea 69 fans permalink
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Yay Montana! Give that boy he//!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:15 AM on 06/02/2009
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Montana is a wonderful state. Although the Idaho-Wyoming-Montana area is conservative, there is something wild and free about Montana that lets the spirit grow. It does not surprise me they did this.

Thanks Montana. The sky really is bigger there.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:15 AM on 06/02/2009
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Single payer universal health insurance would go a long way to solve so many of America's problems.

Education
Unemployment
Unplanned pregnancy
Abortion

Anything but single payer is just an expensive band-aid on a system that does not work and cannot be fixed.

Bulldoze the system and give Americans what all other industrialized nations have. We deserve it too. Only the insurance companies are standing in the way. Dissolve them.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:14 AM on 06/02/2009
- punk I'm a Fan of punk 62 fans permalink
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Max Baucus: The Purist Corporate Liberal

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:59 PM on 06/01/2009
- donaldw6 I'm a Fan of donaldw6 357 fans permalink
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Way to go, Montana! America is in your debt!!!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:58 PM on 06/01/2009
- alice09 I'm a Fan of alice09 23 fans permalink

Let's hear it for the people of Montana who stood up for all of us. Baucus deserves every bit of it and I hope he loses his seat if he continues his pro-corporation anti-people stance.
He has a lot of power and our lives literally might depend on what he does.
Write to him, call his office, follow the example of the people of Montana.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:56 PM on 06/01/2009
- loper2008 I'm a Fan of loper2008 7 fans permalink

only 50 votes are needed

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:52 PM on 06/01/2009
- freelyb I'm a Fan of freelyb 27 fans permalink

Nice work, Montana. Thanks on behalf of all of us.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:44 PM on 06/01/2009
- GeoLee I'm a Fan of GeoLee 67 fans permalink

I am so glad to read this, especially given the state he represents which is hardly a bastion of democrats.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:30 PM on 06/01/2009
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I think this proves that all Americans need, deserve and want universal health care.

This is not a partisan issue. Politicians fight it at their own peril.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:16 AM on 06/02/2009
- vandegrasse I'm a Fan of vandegrasse 225 fans permalink
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Baucus is an idiot and the Congress is filled with idiots. Why don't they vote for right for the people and how the corporations tell them to vote. We voted for change and we got nothing. I am so dissppointed in Mr.Obama I could just cry!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:29 PM on 06/01/2009
- Rosewren I'm a Fan of Rosewren 34 fans permalink
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NHGranite below has said it the best way for all of us to talk about health insurance, we all should take what he said up for our slogan to get the change we want:

"Socialized medicine? NO - CIVILIZED MEDICINE." Yes!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:23 PM on 06/01/2009
- ChelseaC I'm a Fan of ChelseaC 225 fans permalink
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Rosewren,
Good one!

www.pnhp.or/change/ange/

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:27 PM on 06/01/2009
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