Baucus Battered By Voters For Health Care Stand

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Sen. Max Baucus got some not-so friendly advice from his Montana constituents last week as he works to reform the health care system: You're doing it all wrong.

Baucus, the chair of the Finance Committee and the leader of reform efforts in the Senate, scheduled 20 town hall meetings with constituents across the state to talk about the future of health care. The Senate was out of session, but Baucus, a Democrat, didn't personally attend. Instead, he sent staff and a video-recorded message.

"I really want to hear from all of you," Baucus said on the video, according to local media. "You're my employers. You're my bosses. You're the people I work for. I'm just the hired hand. I want to hear what you want to see in any legislation we pass in Washington, D.C."

He got what he asked for.

Five separate accounts of the meetings, published in four different local papers, show Montana voters were downright hostile to Baucus' reform proposal. Baucus has been a staunch opponent of single-payer health care, a system in which the government would provide universal coverage.

Baucus has kept single-payer advocates out of negotiations and has yet to endorse a compromise proposal by Sen. Charles Schumer (D-N.Y.) that would give Americans the option of buying into a publicly run plan that would compete with private insurers.

That stance put his staffers up against a wall, facing angry constituents fed up by what they viewed as a lack of courage in Washington.

"Majority wants single-payer health care," headlined an account in the Helena Independent Record.

At several of the events, Montanans' ire was directed at Baucus chief of staff Jon Selib, who defended the employer-based coverage system that he estimated covers 150 million Americans.
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"A lot of people like that," Selib said.

When the time came for questions, [self-employed consultant Steve] McArthur stood up and asked a simple question. Looking across a standing-room-only crowd of about 275, he asked how many were happy with their employer-based health insurance.

Fewer than 10 people raised their hands.

"The [argument] is bogus," McArthur said. "It's not working for 95 percent of us."

In fact, any mention of single-payer health care insurance brought raucous cheers and clapping. Any other solution to health care reform - including Baucus' "balanced" plan that would create a mix of public and private plans - was received more coolly.


The bitter questioning led Selib to break some news at the meeting.

"If you think your insurance company is screwing you ... then you'd have the option of going to the public plan," Selib said. "Senator Baucus is fighting tooth and nail to include that in any final deal."

Then he asked the standing-room-only audiences for comments -- and got an earful, mostly on the whys, hows and whats of national health insurance as the preferred option.



Baucus' staff repeatedly argued that 60 votes are needed to move a bill through the Senate and that single-payer, or an otherwise bold reform, simply wouldn't pass. That wasn't what they wanted to hear, said a story in the Missoulian, "Single-payer health care: Baucus keeps getting an earful."

PABLO - Sen. Max Baucus' insistence that consideration of a national single-payer health plan at this point will squander a golden opportunity for health care reform in the United States continues to be met with stiff resistance from many of his constituents.

"The word 'insurance' does not equal health care," Janelle Kuechle of Polson said at a meeting here Thursday. "If I have to pay a $900 premium to have health insurance with a $10,000 deductible, that is not health care."

"Congress ought to be representing us instead of the insurance lobby," said retired school teacher John Oberlitner of Polson. "Max Baucus has stated it's not feasible to pass a single-payer health plan, but one year ago people were saying it was not feasible that Obama could be elected our president."

Voters in Livingston weren't much warmer, recorded the Bozeman Daily Chronicle.

But many in the audience grilled a Baucus staffer on why they wouldn't allow single-payer advocates to participate in roundtables held to form his plan. Several doctors were arrested for protesting that point in Washington two weeks ago during a Baucus-led discussion.

Judy Moor of Bozeman asked whether the big campaign dollars Baucus has received from the insurance industry was reason for suspicion.

"Single-payer advocates not giving up the fight," observed the Great Falls Tribune.

Proponents of single-payer showed up en masse at the most well-attended meetings in Missoula, Hamilton, Anaconda, Dillon and Livingston to urge Baucus -- the chairman of the Senate Finance Committee -- to consider single-payer universal health care. Single payer -- a system in which the government provides health insurance to all Americans -- has been declared "off the table" by Baucus, Congress' leading man on heath care reform.

Baucus isn't pushing hard enough, said a Helena business owner, summing up the statewide wisdom. "Max is really making me mad now because he's not really trying to change the system, he's just trying to tweak it."

Sen. Max Baucus got some not-so friendly advice from his Montana constituents last week as he works to reform the health care system: You're doing it all wrong. Baucus, the chair of the Finance Commi...
Sen. Max Baucus got some not-so friendly advice from his Montana constituents last week as he works to reform the health care system: You're doing it all wrong. Baucus, the chair of the Finance Commi...
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- Altruth I'm a Fan of Altruth 58 fans permalink

This man will have health care for LIFE like all of the other Senators but will deny us the same!

This is his contact information from the US Government website:

Baucus, Max - (D - MT) Class II
511 HART SENATE OFFICE BUILDING WASHINGTON DC 20510
(202) 224-2651
Web Form: baucus.senate.gov/contact/emailForm.cfm?subj=issue

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:22 PM on 06/01/2009
- logan9 I'm a Fan of logan9 5 fans permalink

Single Payer is the only viable option.

http://www.baucus.senate.gov/contact/emailForm.cfm?subj=issue

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:09 PM on 06/01/2009
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WARREN Buffett=INSURANCE = BIGGEST DONOR TO BAUCUS

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:15 PM on 06/01/2009
- Alethea I'm a Fan of Alethea 63 fans permalink
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Email sent and phone call made. RAWR!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:14 AM on 06/02/2009
- Gatorray11 I'm a Fan of Gatorray11 15 fans permalink

I agree with you.. Medicare is single payer, but here are a few things to keep in mind:

1. One problem Hillary Clinton faced when she tried to pass single payer is that many people -- at least in theory -- are happy with their system. Given a choice, many of these people would go with a public option under which people COULD CHOOSE THEIR DOCTORS . What we need is the Chuck Schumer (Barack Obama backed) compromise that would have a public financed system as an option.

2. Move.On.org and other organizations need to keep the option open of backing progressive to oppose incumbents who don't side with Democrats on signature issues, like healthcare.

3. Obama's allies need to educate the people and mount an effective TV campaign to counter the BS from the insurance companies. The major figure leading the campaign against Obama's healthcare plan was the head of Hospital Corporation of America when it paid the largest fraud fine in Medicare history. He hired the PR firm which did iSwiftboaters' campaign.

4. The so called horror stories they claim about other countries with "government run" healthcare system are greatly exaggerations and mirror problems people have with bureaucrats from the insurance companies.

5. Republicans will use scare words like "socialized medicine" and "socialism" to frighten you. They used such words about Medicare,, Social Security,and any progressive legislatio­n..

6. How come "socialized medicine" works for top government officials? How much did it cost to keep Tricky Dickey II alive?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:34 AM on 06/02/2009

Obama says single payer is off the table aswell. Let's not give Obama reform cred. when he doesn't deserve it.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:56 AM on 06/02/2009

I wish MoveOn.org would target Baucus - run ads against him, and help to offset the Health Insurance Lobby's hold over him.

Dems who are as corrupt as the Repubs (beholden to Lobbyists in the way Baucus is) is not going to do what's best for the people. MoveOn should target him in the next Democratic Primary and support his challenger. Same with Jane Harman and Diane Feinstein.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:01 PM on 06/01/2009

Not only should Moveon target the corrupt dems, we must do the same.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:07 PM on 06/01/2009
- zaz33 I'm a Fan of zaz33 32 fans permalink

I'm not sure Moveon is for single payer, Think I read that they were opposed to it.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:29 PM on 06/01/2009
- ChelseaC I'm a Fan of ChelseaC 161 fans permalink
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E-mail Rachel Maddow on MSNBC and ask her to do more shows on health care reform and to report on this Baucus situation.
The Ed Show on MSNBC is doing a good job as is the Huffington Post but we need more in the MSM to get the word out. Ed has reamed Baucus on his show.

msnbc.comnbc.com

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:14 PM on 06/01/2009
- nana4g I'm a Fan of nana4g 107 fans permalink

Single payor is the way to go. Too costly to have so many providers of these insurers which benefit only the insurance companies. Think of it, though. They would be put out of business. Unless they develop a government sponsored plan as one of their product lines. They would still not make the profits they make now, which they use for maintaining the life styles of their executives.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:51 PM on 06/01/2009
- Gatorray11 I'm a Fan of Gatorray11 15 fans permalink

That is because they no longer could just cherry pick young healthy people and use "pre existing conditions" against the rest.

Republicans, of course, complain that is socialized medicine. Funny, I haven't heard one of them complain about the "socialized medicine" that kept Tricky Dickey II, AKA Richard Bruce Cheney,alive during the last eight years.

But then they have one standard for themselves and another one for others. I am still waiting for thriced divorced family values man Rush Limbaugh to walk into prison -- since he said all drug abusers should be "sent up river" to the Big House. Just like everybody should serve in the military and not dodge Vietnam like Rush, Newt and Cheney (Howard Fineman's RNC), Phil Gramm, George II (used his father's friends to get into the Texas Air National Guard, transferred to the Alabama National Guard so he could play politics in an Alabama .U.S. Senate race and went AWOL for a year), Tom DeLay, Pat Buchanan and a too lengthy a list of other GOP/Conservative Chicken Hawks.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:49 AM on 06/02/2009

"I really want to hear from all of you," Baucus said on the video, according to local media. "You're my employers. You're my bosses. You're the people I work for. I'm just the hired hand. I want to hear what you want to see in any legislation we pass in Washington, D.C."

What a gutless jerk. He sent he aids out to 'test' the waters rather than facing his constituents head on. Had he been at these events personally, I would have seen the crowds reaction and felt their wrath and had to confront them head on and tell them why he made the decisions that he did.

This way he can conduct these events and 'monitor' the results from the safety of an 'undisclosed location' and then take sufficient time to structure a response that he thinks he can sell to his constituents all the while keeping his real supporters and contributors, the Healthcare Industry lobbyists, happy that the no meaningful legislation will ever see the light of day.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:49 PM on 06/01/2009
- NHGranite I'm a Fan of NHGranite 55 fans permalink
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It's horrible out there and I am truly afraid and frustrated that it is not going to change. We are paying $1000 a month to stay on COBRA as my kidneys have failed, and unemployment pays $425 a week. The hospital billing office calls before the next bill is even due, they call it a "courtesy" call.

I had to stop doing Loan Modification work. 80% of those behind on their mortgages had medical bills they couldn't pay; 85% of that group went on to foreclosure, the banks DID NOT HELP. I felt like a chump.

Easy solution: Single Payer non-profit health care for all. Expand Medicare. Case closed. Socialized medicine? NO - CIVILIZED MEDICINE.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:47 PM on 06/01/2009
- Rosewren I'm a Fan of Rosewren 29 fans permalink
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Your last sentence describes the whole issue in a nutshell. You've been fanned.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:24 PM on 06/01/2009
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Voters should quickly end ANY politician's career that's a sell-out to lobbyists, and puts those 'bribers for industry' above the will of We the People.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:45 PM on 06/01/2009
- Gatorray11 I'm a Fan of Gatorray11 15 fans permalink

Point out to your friends that the campaign against the Barack Obama healthcare plan is being led by the man who was the head of Hospital Corporation of America when it paid the largest fraud fine in Medicare history. He hired the PR firm that ran the deceitful campaign of the Swiftboaters,.

These complaints about bureaucrats in "government run" countries making decisions that allegedly deny vital healthcare to the people, isn't that precisely what insurance company bureaucrats do to us? In government run systems there are no exclusions for "pre existing conditions­."

Just ask two questions. Every industrialized county in the world -- except us and South Africa -- have a national healthcare system. Most of them have democratic governments and systems of government where you can make almost instant changes since they have parliamentary government. If these systems are so bad, like opponents tell us, how come none of these countries have ever abolished them? Also why does the system work well for our Congress, President and other top officials?

Ask the main stream media to do a story on how much it has cost to keep Tricky Dickey II alive during the last eight years? I bet it runs into the millions

Since we are almost the last coountry to adopt a natioal system, we can chose the best model. My model is Medicare for all. Like I said elsewhere, the best way to get there is to offer the public option to compete with the private one..

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:27 AM on 06/02/2009
- 1dogs2 I'm a Fan of 1dogs2 132 fans permalink

Bravo to the Montanans who showed up and spoke up. All of us need to put that kind of pressure on our representatives for a public provider option, at the very least.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:29 PM on 06/01/2009
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TIME TO REFORM CORRUPTION IN CAMPAIGN FUNDING SYSTEM

Simple Solution to PROTECT OUR Congress Members V0tes so v0tes are NOT s0ld to Highest B!dders:

1. Setup a Government Contribution Acceptance and Funds Distribution Agency
2. Funne1 all Po1itical Contr!butions through this agency
3. Uses strict formulas for allocating funds to House+Senate Members
4. "B1indly" distribute lump sums twice per year to Po1iticians - No KNOWN SOURCES of funds!
5. Reserve part of funds for those New Candidates that meet campaign funding criteria
6. Two Term Limits for Senators and 4 terms for House Members
7. Four Term Limits for House Members

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:42 PM on 06/01/2009
- stalingrd I'm a Fan of stalingrd 2 fans permalink
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If you fix the money issue and the corruption that stems from it, term limits are not needed. .

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:06 AM on 06/02/2009
- Gatorray11 I'm a Fan of Gatorray11 15 fans permalink

Term limits are undemocratic and don't work. One reason for the big mess in California right now is because of term limits. By the time legislators learn the ropes, they are gone. And term limits often take away the need to compromise.

Also they all play musical chairs. Legislators come back from Sacramento and end up being county supervisors, city councilmen/women, countywide officeholders. Kentucky, where I covered politics and government for 20 some years, used have one term limits for constitutional officeholders. So they played musical chairs. Superintendent of public instruction and agriculture commissioner was one common exchange every four years. Secretary of state and state treasurer was another.

We do need public financing for public offices. However, I think it can only work if we have a Constitutional Amendment putting reasonable limits on how much can be spent running for office. Court rulings have made spending limits ridiculous. The end result is you either have toi be a Kennedy, a Rockefeller, a John McCain or be owned by special interests.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:05 AM on 06/02/2009
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Will he listen or toss more people out of hearings?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:43 PM on 06/01/2009
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Where was Baucus? Studying health care systems in Tuscany?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:14 PM on 06/01/2009
- ekoorb I'm a Fan of ekoorb 8 fans permalink

Playing golf at an insurance industry symposium?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:58 PM on 06/01/2009
- stalingrd I'm a Fan of stalingrd 2 fans permalink
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Someone would have to tell him there is a continent called Europe first. Then we could go on and show how civilized nations act towards their own people. America is not alone in the world and there are places that succeed in helping their populace instead of selling them out to corporations

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:09 AM on 06/02/2009
- vet64 I'm a Fan of vet64 18 fans permalink

To receive money from corporatio­ns,conglom­erates and individuals,in exchange for votes and laws to deregulate, and financially benefit, their coporate owners, themselves, family members, friends and cronies... Means that the laws dealing with Conflict of Interest and Collusion between the Neo Con owned Conglomerates and members in the Executive, Legislative and Judiciary Branches of our government are not being adhered to, or have been dismantled.
How were these deregulations and laws enacted and by whom? Who did the deregulations and laws benefit, who voted and passed laws in our gov't, and did they receive any type of payment, including investments in the same conglomerates and campaign contributions.
Baucus is just another crooked politician selling out America to the Neo Con owned Conglomerates. Welcome to 1984.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:14 PM on 06/01/2009
- LeLoup I'm a Fan of LeLoup 30 fans permalink
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Dear Senator Baucus,
If you look at your calendar, you'll notice that the year is 2009, not 1993. Harry and Louise had their 15 minutes of fame. Now, your sponsors of the health care insurance industry can throw all the money they wish in your coffers and elsewhere, but in the end you will have to do what your constituents are telling you to do.

Why? Because this is 2009, and things have changed a LOT. ALL the income gains of the middle class during the last 9 years have been siphoned by health care premiums, copays and deductibles.

Do you seriously think that such raping of our wallets shall continue without consequences? Do not kid yourself. You CAN pass health care reform without a 60 votes in the Senate and that is how it has to happen...o­r you will join all the Republicans voted out of office in the next senate elections.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:06 PM on 06/01/2009
- jinxed I'm a Fan of jinxed 30 fans permalink
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I live in Montana and max has just proven o methat he is bought and paid for...he no longer represents Montanans, he represents al those insurnce companies and pharma cmpanies tat have been donating to him for years. I'v been emailin him to let himknow what a poor job he is doing and what Mike Mansfield would think of him...NOT MUCH!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:00 PM on 06/01/2009
- ChelseaC I'm a Fan of ChelseaC 161 fans permalink
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Call Max Baucus and let him know you're disgusted with his stance on health care reform and that he needs to get on the ball with single payer HR-676 public health care option or be voted out.
Same goes for all other Dems.

In Montana, call 1-800-332-6106
406-657-6790

http://baucus.senate.gov/

For more info on HR-676
http://www.pnhp.org/change/

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:24 PM on 06/01/2009
- Gatorray11 I'm a Fan of Gatorray11 15 fans permalink

Isn't he the Democrat who got the most campaign money from the insurance companies. E-mail all your friends. Ask them to send at least five e-mails to their friends. Can you guys get your great governor, Brian /schweitzer, to run against him when his seat is up. Will Schweitzer support a single payer option?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:27 AM on 06/02/2009
- maxfax I'm a Fan of maxfax 19 fans permalink

Montana, just tell him "you're fired"!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:58 PM on 06/01/2009

I have been e-mailing this man repeatedly about single payer. I am so happy that so many citizens of Montana have stood up to the Senator and are telling him to do as they will and not as the insurance companies tell him to do. I agree with what others are saying as well, if Washington won't stop taking money from the insurance companies and create a health plan that a majority of Americans want, then we should stop paying for ALL federal employee health health plans.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:56 PM on 06/01/2009

Sen. Baucus' staff will hang up on you very very quickly. This man does not need to be in the Senate.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:55 PM on 06/01/2009
- ChelseaC I'm a Fan of ChelseaC 161 fans permalink
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If you call and are polite and Baucus staff hangs up on you, come back here and report it. Report it on Obama's website too, report it via e-mail to Ed Schultz on MSNBC.Let the world know.
Shine the limelight on this issue--this is no time to be shy! lol.....

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:58 PM on 06/01/2009
- Gatorray11 I'm a Fan of Gatorray11 15 fans permalink

Better yet, start a draft movement for somebody willing to run against him -- provided he/she would support a single payer option. Montana Gov. Brian Schweitzer would be ideal.

Also e-mail it to all your friends and ask them to e-mail it to at least five other friends. Ask everybody to write, e-mail and/or phone their House member and particularly their two Senators. The House will pass the right kind of healthcare bill. The real battle will be in the Senate.

And remind everybody the Republicans and special interests have used words like "socialism" and "socialized medicine" against every piece of progressive legislation since at least the New Deal. Social Security, socialism. Minimum wage, socialism. Medicare, socialized medicine. Family leave, socialism. You name the progressive legislation and I will find you the Republican socialism label.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:10 AM on 06/02/2009
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