Baucus Battered By Voters For Health Care Stand

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Sen. Max Baucus got some not-so friendly advice from his Montana constituents last week as he works to reform the health care system: You're doing it all wrong.

Baucus, the chair of the Finance Committee and the leader of reform efforts in the Senate, scheduled 20 town hall meetings with constituents across the state to talk about the future of health care. The Senate was out of session, but Baucus, a Democrat, didn't personally attend. Instead, he sent staff and a video-recorded message.

"I really want to hear from all of you," Baucus said on the video, according to local media. "You're my employers. You're my bosses. You're the people I work for. I'm just the hired hand. I want to hear what you want to see in any legislation we pass in Washington, D.C."

He got what he asked for.

Five separate accounts of the meetings, published in four different local papers, show Montana voters were downright hostile to Baucus' reform proposal. Baucus has been a staunch opponent of single-payer health care, a system in which the government would provide universal coverage.

Baucus has kept single-payer advocates out of negotiations and has yet to endorse a compromise proposal by Sen. Charles Schumer (D-N.Y.) that would give Americans the option of buying into a publicly run plan that would compete with private insurers.

That stance put his staffers up against a wall, facing angry constituents fed up by what they viewed as a lack of courage in Washington.

"Majority wants single-payer health care," headlined an account in the Helena Independent Record.

At several of the events, Montanans' ire was directed at Baucus chief of staff Jon Selib, who defended the employer-based coverage system that he estimated covers 150 million Americans.
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"A lot of people like that," Selib said.

When the time came for questions, [self-employed consultant Steve] McArthur stood up and asked a simple question. Looking across a standing-room-only crowd of about 275, he asked how many were happy with their employer-based health insurance.

Fewer than 10 people raised their hands.

"The [argument] is bogus," McArthur said. "It's not working for 95 percent of us."

In fact, any mention of single-payer health care insurance brought raucous cheers and clapping. Any other solution to health care reform - including Baucus' "balanced" plan that would create a mix of public and private plans - was received more coolly.


The bitter questioning led Selib to break some news at the meeting.

"If you think your insurance company is screwing you ... then you'd have the option of going to the public plan," Selib said. "Senator Baucus is fighting tooth and nail to include that in any final deal."

Then he asked the standing-room-only audiences for comments -- and got an earful, mostly on the whys, hows and whats of national health insurance as the preferred option.



Baucus' staff repeatedly argued that 60 votes are needed to move a bill through the Senate and that single-payer, or an otherwise bold reform, simply wouldn't pass. That wasn't what they wanted to hear, said a story in the Missoulian, "Single-payer health care: Baucus keeps getting an earful."

PABLO - Sen. Max Baucus' insistence that consideration of a national single-payer health plan at this point will squander a golden opportunity for health care reform in the United States continues to be met with stiff resistance from many of his constituents.

"The word 'insurance' does not equal health care," Janelle Kuechle of Polson said at a meeting here Thursday. "If I have to pay a $900 premium to have health insurance with a $10,000 deductible, that is not health care."

"Congress ought to be representing us instead of the insurance lobby," said retired school teacher John Oberlitner of Polson. "Max Baucus has stated it's not feasible to pass a single-payer health plan, but one year ago people were saying it was not feasible that Obama could be elected our president."

Voters in Livingston weren't much warmer, recorded the Bozeman Daily Chronicle.

But many in the audience grilled a Baucus staffer on why they wouldn't allow single-payer advocates to participate in roundtables held to form his plan. Several doctors were arrested for protesting that point in Washington two weeks ago during a Baucus-led discussion.

Judy Moor of Bozeman asked whether the big campaign dollars Baucus has received from the insurance industry was reason for suspicion.

"Single-payer advocates not giving up the fight," observed the Great Falls Tribune.

Proponents of single-payer showed up en masse at the most well-attended meetings in Missoula, Hamilton, Anaconda, Dillon and Livingston to urge Baucus -- the chairman of the Senate Finance Committee -- to consider single-payer universal health care. Single payer -- a system in which the government provides health insurance to all Americans -- has been declared "off the table" by Baucus, Congress' leading man on heath care reform.

Baucus isn't pushing hard enough, said a Helena business owner, summing up the statewide wisdom. "Max is really making me mad now because he's not really trying to change the system, he's just trying to tweak it."

Sen. Max Baucus got some not-so friendly advice from his Montana constituents last week as he works to reform the health care system: You're doing it all wrong. Baucus, the chair of the Finance Commi...
Sen. Max Baucus got some not-so friendly advice from his Montana constituents last week as he works to reform the health care system: You're doing it all wrong. Baucus, the chair of the Finance Commi...
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- ran6110 I'm a Fan of ran6110 10 fans permalink
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If congress and the president can't find a way to step back from the money and get us a health plan then we shouldn't be paying for theirs.

How can they expect us to accept that they deserve the best they can get while we get dumped on!

If Baucus and his staff don't watch out they'll find themselves out of work with no government paid health plan!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:04 PM on 06/01/2009
- senorlou I'm a Fan of senorlou 129 fans permalink

Check it out: a cool article on the various forms of national healthcare in other nations. See what the rest of the truly civilized world is doing to provide better healthcare for their citizens:

http://www.prospect.org/cs/articles?article=the_health_of_nations

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:01 PM on 06/01/2009
- kjstjohn I'm a Fan of kjstjohn 252 fans permalink
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Thanks. I loved the system in France.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:07 PM on 06/01/2009

Also get hold of the documentary DVD produced by Frontline - "Sick Around The World" - there's a website at http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/sickaroundtheworld/
Excellent description of the health care systems of a half-dozen countires, how they work, financing, the role of insurance companies (in some cases - but non-profit, like our mutuals before greedheads took them public)) and of private hospitals and practices (in many cases.) There are some stresses and strains, but in general they work admirably well, and the health outcomes are way better than in the US.
Everyone is covered, and no-one ever gets a big bill -and the concept of going bankrupt through medical costs ( the cause of about 1/2 of US personal bankruptcies) is seen as totally outlandish.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:02 PM on 06/01/2009
- Keo I'm a Fan of Keo 28 fans permalink

I'd debate this matter with anyone, anytime. Single-payer is the ONLY solution. People who have the money and are so inclined should be able to purchase whatever supplemental coverage they want. But EVERY citizen in the USA should be covered under a national plan. Just like it is in virtually every other large, industrialized country.
There was a report just the other day that indicated each family pays $1000/yr NOW to cover the uninsured. That means $1000 out of the $8000 I spend every year to cover my family covers other people.
And I'd bet that if my federal taxes were raised by $5000 every year--and everyone else's raised accordingly--we'd have a single-payer system which would cover everyone, and it would wind up costing folks like me---and most of you---less.
Would you have to wait for that knee surgery or that MRI? Sure. But you have to wait now.
Would you wind up spending sleepless nights in your old age worrying about how to pay for your medical costs? NO.
Who's against a single-payer plan? Big Pharma. Your friends. NOT!!!!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:59 PM on 06/01/2009
- Chaimirija I'm a Fan of Chaimirija 56 fans permalink
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you forgot to ask if you'd end up bankrupt even though you have insurance

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:04 PM on 06/01/2009

You know that about half of all personal bankruptcies in the US are from medical bills, right? And that other hations with universal healthcare - NOT universal "coverage", that's a cop-out - never have any?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:14 PM on 06/01/2009
- sueinmn I'm a Fan of sueinmn 101 fans permalink
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Those with money should be able to choose but the problem if the rest of us do not have to put into their coffers, those with money will soon be screaming also that they pay to much. presently the rest of us subsidize those plans while we get squat!

Free markets so let those who can continue the private type policies and let the rest of us have the government plan! Why should congress get the good plan off our taxes while we get squat?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:08 PM on 06/01/2009
- kjstjohn I'm a Fan of kjstjohn 252 fans permalink
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I am keeping KQuark's contact info going. Here it is.

Send free faxes with.

http://www.1payer.net/action-alerts/send-a-free-efax-to-policymakers.html

Sign up now to join healthcare kickoff to have a grassroots party or to find the location of a party.

http://my.barackobama.com/page/content/hckickoff

To protest on the streets a healthcare rally is being organized to march on Washington on June 25th starting at the Washington Monument at 10am. Below is the registration form.

http://www.1payer.net/rally/volunteers/add

To support single payer.

http://www.pnhp.org/change/

To see where your congresspeople stand on the public option and to get their contact info.

http://standwithdrdean.com/where_congress_stands?chamber=&party=&state=&hc_status=&commit=Filter

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:58 PM on 06/01/2009
- KQuark I'm a Fan of KQuark 267 fans permalink
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Cheers I just came back to repost but you saved me the time.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:20 PM on 06/01/2009
- 4KixAfter6 I'm a Fan of 4KixAfter6 71 fans permalink
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Baucus is a insurance company shill. Don't let up on him Montana!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:57 PM on 06/01/2009
- kjstjohn I'm a Fan of kjstjohn 252 fans permalink
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Don't you let up either. I just sent him an e-mail saying that if he did not support a single-payer solution, I was donating to his opponent in the next election.

http://baucus.senate.gov/contact/emailForm.cfm?subj=issue

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:02 PM on 06/01/2009

I am so sick and tired of this merry-go-round. Who put Baucus in charge? Democrats. The same Democrats that pretended they were going to do something about our abusive and appalling health care system. The Democrats we voted for who were going to show some spine and make a change. But, of course they don't want change - they, like the Republicans, are in Washington to feather their own nests. They are not representing the people, they are representing their own bank accounts. They disgust me.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:56 PM on 06/01/2009
- Dbos I'm a Fan of Dbos 28 fans permalink

Trying to BS us .It will no longer work.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:53 PM on 06/01/2009
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Single Payer
Singe Payer
Single Payer

If you have dealt with insurance companies to get a health care procedure done or paid for after they ok'd it - then you know we must get insurance companies out of the health care business.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:52 PM on 06/01/2009
- kjstjohn I'm a Fan of kjstjohn 252 fans permalink
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Oh yeah!!!!! Have you e-mailed your reps and Baucus?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:54 PM on 06/01/2009
- sueinmn I'm a Fan of sueinmn 101 fans permalink
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I agree, they approve a procedure then deny payments! Its horrible and what do you do? A pre approval should be like a contract that they cannot back out on!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:56 PM on 06/01/2009
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Why should you need a pre-approval from an insurance co. for a procedure that your doctor says you need. I know from experience, of a claim that was denied for a 911 call to the emergency room that resulted in a hospital stay for emergency blood transfusion because I did not call and get approval from the company. They said my co-pay would be more because I failed to call them. At a time like like that who thinks about money?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:32 PM on 06/01/2009
- senorlou I'm a Fan of senorlou 129 fans permalink

If you've ever paid a premium, or been denied coverage and forced to get high risk insurance (last one cost me alone $450 a month with a $1000 deductible), you know we need to do that. If you've ever had Kaiser - a virtual mill and drug dispensary - you'd also know that. For profit health care does not work.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:59 PM on 06/01/2009
- senorlou I'm a Fan of senorlou 129 fans permalink

It looks like a major conflict of interest to me.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:10 PM on 06/01/2009
- senorlou I'm a Fan of senorlou 129 fans permalink

This reply was posted in the wrong spot. Never mind.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:13 PM on 06/01/2009
- Prakosh I'm a Fan of Prakosh 228 fans permalink
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Even the majority in Helena Montana want single payer health care! What does that tell you? The majority of Americans want single payer health care!!!! Yet the Democrats have taken this option off the table.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:45 PM on 06/01/2009
- senorlou I'm a Fan of senorlou 129 fans permalink

Why is Baucus in charge of health care reform? Who gave him this post, and why on earth aren't they relieving him of it. He's a stooge for the health insurance and pharmaceutical companies. Why would anyone put him in charge of healthcare reform? Boggles the mind.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:40 PM on 06/01/2009
- Prakosh I'm a Fan of Prakosh 228 fans permalink
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Here's a better question. Why are the Democrats against single payer health care???

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:46 PM on 06/01/2009
- senorlou I'm a Fan of senorlou 129 fans permalink

I don't think all of them are. We should have somebody in charge willing to give us universal healthcare coverage. Instead we have a hack for the insurance companies - arguably the most immoral industry in existence. Profiting on the sick and dying is wrong, and here we have a guy who thinks it's just fine and dandy, and takes blood money from them. Isn't there a way to kick him out of his leadership position on healthcare? He isn't doing anybody any good, just getting a whole lot of us angry.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:56 PM on 06/01/2009
- Chaimirija I'm a Fan of Chaimirija 56 fans permalink
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cuz they'rep.u.s.s.i.e.s?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:00 PM on 06/01/2009

Because they are taking bribes from HMO's and Pharma. Because they think we are to stupid to know that. And because the Republicans are even worse.

What we need is The American Labor Party.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:03 PM on 06/01/2009
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Because Democrats are positioning healthcare reform as difficult, something that Republicans are dug in over, and that Baucus is close to Republicans (he might as well be Republican) so he can talk them into it. Only the reform that Baucus will talk them into is minimal reform, at best.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:12 AM on 06/02/2009
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Time to vote this DINOsaur out of office. He and Specter can team up and open a Dude Ranch after they're retired by the voters.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:39 PM on 06/01/2009
- paris15 I'm a Fan of paris15 2 fans permalink

Congratulation to the citizenry of Montana! America needs you, keep up the good work. Your Senator needs to be convinced that the piles of money he's received from the health insurance industry will not buy his disloyalty to his constituency, he needed a little tap on the shoulder!

What Would Nader Do?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:38 PM on 06/01/2009
- racom I'm a Fan of racom 3 fans permalink

He needs a boot up the butt. Time for the gloves to come off, we need to get vocal and 'in your face' with these bought and paid for politicians. Baucus has collected millions from the insurance and pharmaceutical industries. He is a paid shill.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:57 PM on 06/01/2009
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Once again censored by unreasonable Huffington Post anti-free speech crusaders!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:38 PM on 06/01/2009
- senorlou I'm a Fan of senorlou 129 fans permalink

Sometimes, only the one or two liners will get through. Keep it short, perhaps?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:57 PM on 06/01/2009
- sueinmn I'm a Fan of sueinmn 101 fans permalink
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Good for the citizens of Montanna! We need more of this and we need it in every state! They need to know they have a decision to make. Listen to the citizens who put them in office or listen to those insurance giants who bribe them.


Campaign funds full to the brim do you no good if you are no longer in office to spend it!
These politicians have to hear our voices or be retired!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:34 PM on 06/01/2009
- usma84 I'm a Fan of usma84 5 fans permalink
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This is pretty simple really. The rate of increase for health care cost has been rising at a rate of 15% a year for 2 decades. In another 10 years, employer provided health insurance in the U.S. will range between $50,000/year to well over $100,000 per year. At the same time, the quality of service has not doubled every 5 years nor have the outcomes improved 100% every 5 years. It is almost all, bloat and administrative overhead and without real competition from a government plan there will continue to be *no* competition in health care and the costs will continue to spiral out of control.

Therefore, in 10 years the prospect of a company coming to the US to employ people will diminish to zero. By then, every company that can do so will be moving or have moved to a nation providing universal health care in lieu of employer provided insurance.

One way or another, within 20 years, there will be no such thing as employer provided health care and eventually the spiraling costs will wipe out the U.S. health care system altogether.

Do we really have to have yet another calamity because of the ignorance of these people. Just as with the housing bubble, MBSs, CDSs, CDOs and bad balance sheets, this is a pure and simple case of mathematics. So why can't people grasp the disaster that is coming? Oh wait, I forgot, we're #25 in the world in math now, silly me.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:34 PM on 06/01/2009
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