Baucus Battered By Voters For Health Care Stand

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Posted: 06- 1-09 02:36 PM

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Sen. Max Baucus got some not-so friendly advice from his Montana constituents last week as he works to reform the health care system: You're doing it all wrong.

Baucus, the chair of the Finance Committee and the leader of reform efforts in the Senate, scheduled 20 town hall meetings with constituents across the state to talk about the future of health care. The Senate was out of session, but Baucus, a Democrat, didn't personally attend. Instead, he sent staff and a video-recorded message.

"I really want to hear from all of you," Baucus said on the video, according to local media. "You're my employers. You're my bosses. You're the people I work for. I'm just the hired hand. I want to hear what you want to see in any legislation we pass in Washington, D.C."

He got what he asked for.

Five separate accounts of the meetings, published in four different local papers, show Montana voters were downright hostile to Baucus' reform proposal. Baucus has been a staunch opponent of single-payer health care, a system in which the government would provide universal coverage.

Baucus has kept single-payer advocates out of negotiations and has yet to endorse a compromise proposal by Sen. Charles Schumer (D-N.Y.) that would give Americans the option of buying into a publicly run plan that would compete with private insurers.

That stance put his staffers up against a wall, facing angry constituents fed up by what they viewed as a lack of courage in Washington.

"Majority wants single-payer health care," headlined an account in the Helena Independent Record.

At several of the events, Montanans' ire was directed at Baucus chief of staff Jon Selib, who defended the employer-based coverage system that he estimated covers 150 million Americans.
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"A lot of people like that," Selib said.

When the time came for questions, [self-employed consultant Steve] McArthur stood up and asked a simple question. Looking across a standing-room-only crowd of about 275, he asked how many were happy with their employer-based health insurance.

Fewer than 10 people raised their hands.

"The [argument] is bogus," McArthur said. "It's not working for 95 percent of us."

In fact, any mention of single-payer health care insurance brought raucous cheers and clapping. Any other solution to health care reform - including Baucus' "balanced" plan that would create a mix of public and private plans - was received more coolly.


The bitter questioning led Selib to break some news at the meeting.

"If you think your insurance company is screwing you ... then you'd have the option of going to the public plan," Selib said. "Senator Baucus is fighting tooth and nail to include that in any final deal."

Then he asked the standing-room-only audiences for comments -- and got an earful, mostly on the whys, hows and whats of national health insurance as the preferred option.



Baucus' staff repeatedly argued that 60 votes are needed to move a bill through the Senate and that single-payer, or an otherwise bold reform, simply wouldn't pass. That wasn't what they wanted to hear, said a story in the Missoulian, "Single-payer health care: Baucus keeps getting an earful."

PABLO - Sen. Max Baucus' insistence that consideration of a national single-payer health plan at this point will squander a golden opportunity for health care reform in the United States continues to be met with stiff resistance from many of his constituents.

"The word 'insurance' does not equal health care," Janelle Kuechle of Polson said at a meeting here Thursday. "If I have to pay a $900 premium to have health insurance with a $10,000 deductible, that is not health care."

"Congress ought to be representing us instead of the insurance lobby," said retired school teacher John Oberlitner of Polson. "Max Baucus has stated it's not feasible to pass a single-payer health plan, but one year ago people were saying it was not feasible that Obama could be elected our president."

Voters in Livingston weren't much warmer, recorded the Bozeman Daily Chronicle.

But many in the audience grilled a Baucus staffer on why they wouldn't allow single-payer advocates to participate in roundtables held to form his plan. Several doctors were arrested for protesting that point in Washington two weeks ago during a Baucus-led discussion.

Judy Moor of Bozeman asked whether the big campaign dollars Baucus has received from the insurance industry was reason for suspicion.

"Single-payer advocates not giving up the fight," observed the Great Falls Tribune.

Proponents of single-payer showed up en masse at the most well-attended meetings in Missoula, Hamilton, Anaconda, Dillon and Livingston to urge Baucus -- the chairman of the Senate Finance Committee -- to consider single-payer universal health care. Single payer -- a system in which the government provides health insurance to all Americans -- has been declared "off the table" by Baucus, Congress' leading man on heath care reform.

Baucus isn't pushing hard enough, said a Helena business owner, summing up the statewide wisdom. "Max is really making me mad now because he's not really trying to change the system, he's just trying to tweak it."

Sen. Max Baucus got some not-so friendly advice from his Montana constituents last week as he works to reform the health care system: You're doing it all wrong. Baucus, the chair of the Finance Commi...
Sen. Max Baucus got some not-so friendly advice from his Montana constituents last week as he works to reform the health care system: You're doing it all wrong. Baucus, the chair of the Finance Commi...
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If you are tired of lobbyists running government, stand up for reform. Send a message!
http://change-congress.org/about/#legislation

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:28 PM on 06/01/2009
- Solja I'm a Fan of Solja 117 fans permalink
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Here is what everyone who supports universal, single payer health care should do. Go to his Senate website at: http://baucus.senate.gov/contact/emailForm.cfm?subj=issue and if you live in Montana, tell him you will vote AGAINST him if he doesn't support single payer health care. If you do not live in Montana, tell him that you will donate the maximum amount allowed to his opponent if he doesn't support single payer health care. You MUST include a line TELLING him that you want single payer advocates at the hearings, alongside every other witness.

http://baucus.senate.gov/contact/emailForm.cfm?subj=issue

Share the link with your email lists and other forums to get the word out! Pass this on!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:20 PM on 06/01/2009
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No, he just won another term for 6 years and then he will retire and get an ambassadorship. The time now is to humiliate him. So call his office and say you are having a "Max Baucus is a sell out" day in your home town.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:09 PM on 06/01/2009

I just sent him this:

Max,

I will donate the maximum amount allowed by law to your opponent in the next election cycle if you will not do whats right and support a single payer health care system. I request that as an employee "of the people" and not the "insurance industry" you listen to us, "the people" and allow a single payer option to be presented in the course of this debate.

Thank you for your time.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:14 PM on 06/01/2009
- kjstjohn I'm a Fan of kjstjohn 252 fans permalink
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Solja is right.

E-mail Baucus and let him know you are donating to his opponent if he does not support single payor healthcare.

http://baucus.senate.gov/contact/emailForm.cfm?subj=issue

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:20 PM on 06/01/2009
- OETKB I'm a Fan of OETKB 4 fans permalink

Sen Baucus has agreed to meet with advocates for Single Payer on Wed, June 3rd. Keep up the pressure folks. It seems to be working. The link: http://www.pnhp.org/news/2009/june/baucus_to_meet_with_.php

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:17 PM on 06/01/2009
- Marnie1 I'm a Fan of Marnie1 41 fans permalink

I am surprised that Montana, a very conservative state would lean toward single payer.

Howeve, I do know that rural areas and small towns and villages have few empolyers large enough to be able to offer empolyer proveded insurance,

Since rural areas tend to be Republican, this apparent contradition may prove the downfall of the the anti-single payer backers.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:16 PM on 06/01/2009
- Prakosh I'm a Fan of Prakosh 220 fans permalink
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Most of them are small farmers and ranchers and have ot buy their health insurance on the open market and they are getting shafted. I am not at all surprised at this, they are paying the highest premiums of any demographic in the U.S.!!!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:48 PM on 06/01/2009

In addition to the business size question, the other angle on non-employer-provided insurance is of course that - especially now - so many people are not "employed" unless by their own personal corporations . Orr they work as freelance on a 1099 basis for some agency. I was an independent computer consultant for many years and was just very lucky that I never incurred huge medical bills that could have exhausted my (expensive) coverage. And what about the tremendously undercounted UNEMPLOYED?
Having the employer involved in health care coverage is a weird and silly notion that should never have started in the first place.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:09 PM on 06/01/2009
- Solja I'm a Fan of Solja 117 fans permalink
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I was watching all of the hearings on the House side while Congress was still in session, and there were notable protests in both the health care hearings AND the wars in Iraq & Afghanistan hearings. Those "Pink" freaks are in the war hearings, and to me, they do us Liberals a disservice with their ignorance to what's really happening on the ground. It's like they aren't listening at all, but only there to disrupt things.

But the healthcare hearings need protesters, and Baucus is a jellyfish. He has his mind made up to exclude single-payer. He is one lazy politician who refuses to fight for his constituency. They need to HAMMER HIM on single payer until he changes his mind, and not give up until he comes out publicly with an about face! ALL politicians can be persuaded by their constituency if they work to make their voices heard. ALL OF THEM! Look how the POTUS just went to Vegas to help Harry Reid raise money for his re-election. Liberals across the country are mad at Reid for being another jellyfish and his numbers are very low for a Senate leader. His seat is in jeopardy, and so can Baucus' seat be in jeopardy also.

Tell Baucus that you will donate to his opponent if he doesn't include single payer, universal health care to the discussions. Right now, the hearings are only wasting our time and money!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:12 PM on 06/01/2009
- sueinmn I'm a Fan of sueinmn 101 fans permalink
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Its bad when the House can come up with great laws and the Senate falls short. Reid has no balls and his gentle voice carries no weight. The Senate is so important and it weakens the House every time!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:38 PM on 06/01/2009
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The Senate was put in place for that exact reason ...to thwart the will of the people. That's why they only have to run every 6 years instead of 2. The Framers were afraid of democracy. That's also why Jefferson asked a real democrat to come back from Europe and help him.,.Tom Paine.

We should get rid of our House of Lords aka The Senate...like the British did.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:19 PM on 06/01/2009
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Unfortunately, Max just got re-elected, so we have 6 more years of him. Then he will probably retire. So the appeal should be to his legacy. If he wants a Mansfield/Metcalf/Baucus dinner (Annual Dem dinner is the Mansfield/Metcalf Dinner) he should really reform Health care. And if he wants an ambassadorship, all this negative publicity won't help. So we will keep showing up and giving his staffers hell. Join us.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:51 PM on 06/01/2009
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Baucus is a coward, he knew what his constituents wanted-- thats why he didn't show.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:05 PM on 06/01/2009
- Actionmac I'm a Fan of Actionmac 10 fans permalink
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But he will show up for the insurance company and lobbies CHECK for campaign and favors.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:09 PM on 06/01/2009

Single payer, universal, public, 100% NON PROFIT health care for every American man, woman and child NOW!!!

Stop the b.s. and DO IT NOW!!!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:04 PM on 06/01/2009
- Colmore I'm a Fan of Colmore 45 fans permalink

Why do the politicians have what they term "socialized medicine", yet say it is not a good plan for the rest of us? When is this man due for re-election? Time to retire, and get someone in who truly cares about their constituents. Very telling that he was not "man enough" to attend any of these meetings.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:03 PM on 06/01/2009
- Prakosh I'm a Fan of Prakosh 220 fans permalink
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Someone on here who said he had spoken with Obama said that the plan that Obama was proposing was the same insurance that Congress gets. I haven't heard this before but if this is the case then that would be great.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:50 PM on 06/01/2009
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Lynn Samuels on Sirius Left nailed it. We all rail on Congress. Everybody, left and right, hates Congress, but......LOOOOVE their individual Congress critter. We must break this mindset. Max was elected in a landslide here in the 2008. Why? I guess a stretch of road or a bridge is more important than health care.

How to break this cycle? Show up and humiliate them, I guess.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:00 PM on 06/01/2009
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Did you notice how Baucus staffers slipped in the trope that "you need 60 votes" to pass anything? I sure hope someone at one of these things immediately called them on that bullshit. You need FIFTY-ONE votes to pass anything; you need 60 votes to prevent the minority from trying to block it. What Democrats routinely fail to admit--and this has bugged me more than anything since their ascent to power in Congress--is that they're preemptively giving in to a filibuster, rather than forcing opponents to stand up against it, and do so by deliberately wasting time to prevent a vote.

Did it occur to any of these mental giants that a huge spectacle on the floor of Congress, where a rump of Members attempt to block single payer or even a public option and are forced to go on record with this kind of shenanigans, might lead to such popular anger that a number of those opponents would be flooded with angry calls to desist and submit to the normal majority rule we supposedly live under?

I don't mean to say I want filibusters abolished; on the contrary, I'd like to see them actually USED. If the public is with them, there will be no penalty. If not, it becomes a much riskier proposition. That lever has been entirely forfeited by Sen. Reid, and it's pathetic.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:01 PM on 06/01/2009
- sueinmn I'm a Fan of sueinmn 101 fans permalink
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The repubs used the 51 vote all the time! Why are the Dems so afraid to? They could be using it for everyuthing and then have time to hammer out the differences to make it all permanent later!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:39 PM on 06/01/2009
- jonbw I'm a Fan of jonbw 6 fans permalink

You in fact only need 50 to pass anything. Biden can cast the tie breaking vote.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:41 PM on 06/01/2009
- bobwalters I'm a Fan of bobwalters 42 fans permalink

Our problem is the health insurance biz is intimately tied in with the investment banking biz, the mortgage banking biz, the commercial banking biz -- you know, those wonderful Masters of the Universe who are so deeply devoted to the continued prosperity and well-being of our nation and us plebeans that they are busily relieving us of the burdens of our democratic republic by buying up our Congress and Senate. That way, we don't have to worry our tiny minds over such matters as who is benefiting from government programs, or who gets to tilt the playing field in whose direction -- we can let elected servants of the PACs like Max Baucus (bought & paid for) translate insurance industry preferences and advantages into legislation that then will govern us for the benefit of the industry. And you can be certain that if the industry has any hand in it, it will be constructed to maximize their profits, just as it is now.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:00 PM on 06/01/2009

I am so glad all of us are standing up and telling our representatives that we want a single payer option. I do too.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:54 PM on 06/01/2009
- stalingrd I'm a Fan of stalingrd 2 fans permalink
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I'm sick of hearing we can't do it. If this guy does actually work for the people of Montana he'd throw the lobbyists out on their heads NOW. What does he think that having these town hall meetings will get him off the hook and pretend he's listening the public? Well I had town hall meetings and didn't attend, but met millions of times with my health care lobbyists. We're not that dense and the public is becoming educated real quick. Do the right thing and take a stand for the people you fool before you lose your job to a republican and make things worse.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:52 PM on 06/01/2009
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Baucus (from the deck of the Titanic, after impact): "Let's rearrange the deck chairs!"

Looks like Montana is ready for REAL CHANGE.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:51 PM on 06/01/2009
- Cookie100 I'm a Fan of Cookie100 59 fans permalink
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i HAVE BEEN CALLING HIS OFFICE, 'DO YOU HAVE HEALTH INSURANCE, SINGLE PAYER PROVIDED BY THE GOVERNMENT"? Yes, well I want it to!

I HAVE TO PAY FOR YOUR HEALTH INSURANCE AND THE SENATOR WHO MAKES WAYYYY MORE THAN I DO! HYPOCRITES

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:47 PM on 06/01/2009
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