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Nicholas Kristof wants to know: Should the U.S. legalize drugs?

The influential New York Times columnist posted the question, which is being asked in mainstream circles with increasing frequency, on his Facebook page Saturday evening. Opinions have come pouring in.

"I'm thinking of writing this coming week about whether legalization of drugs makes sense. Any thoughts out there or good resources?" he asked.

Kristof told the Huffington Post he likes to reach out to readers for help when he's entering into not-entirely-familiar territory.

"It certainly prompted a lot of interesting thoughts, a lot of references to organizations involved, and one organization also reached out by phone to me. Maybe I would have come across the same organization, or maybe not, but on a topic that I don't know so well it can be a really useful tool," he said. "I find that on some issues it's completely useless, but on topics that especially involve experiences that I don't have, or knowledge that I don't have, then reaching out actually works pretty well."

One topic that doesn't work well with crowd-sourcing, Kristof said is the Middle East. "You get half the people with extreme views on the one side and half the people with extreme views on the other, and it's all heat and no light. And it's all arguments that I've already heard before," he said.

Tom Angell, a flak for the group Law Enforcement Against Prohibition, left Kristof a message after a friend at Students for Sensible Drug Policy alerted him to the query.

"Facebook and other social networking sites like Digg and Twitter have proven to be an essential tool for those of us working to drive the discussion on drug legalization from the political fringes to the upper echelons of the mainstream media in recent months," he told the Huffington Post in a g-chat.

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Angell, if he connects with Kristof, will encounter a receptive audience.

"It's been a gradual process," said Kristof about his thinking leading to the decision to confront the issue. "I think that the economy being a particular mess makes me a little more skeptical about spending vast amounts of money incarcerating people on drugs, and then I think the degree to which Mexico has been erupting also has made me wonder."

Kristof has traveled widely for his reporting and filed stories from a number of war zones. "The Taliban financing itself in part with opium has made me also wonder about the foreign-policy implications of our drug policies. But it's been something I've kind of wondered about and been ambivalent about for a number of years," said Kristof.

Facebookers who responded to Kristof took his question seriously and largely gave nuanced answers, leaning overwhelmingly in favor of a liberalized policy. His Facebook buds suggested he seek out drug-policy experts Mark Kleiman and Lester Grinspoon, along with Glenn Greenwald, who has recently written about Portugal's experience with decriminalization.

"If you do legalize marijuana, simultaneously implement strict, VERY strict drunk and high driving laws as well as gun laws to try to tame the negative externalities of marijuana use. I believe that the only possible drug to legalize would be marijuana, but I'm skeptical that our culture could handle it. Iowa sure as heck isn't Amsterdam," offered Jacqueline Nalbert Brysacz.

Though many of the posters were personally in favor of reforming drug policy, there was skepticism that the nation could handle legalization, much as Brysacz said.

"I favor legalization/decriminalization in theory, but I wonder how a policy shift of such magnitude would play out in the real world, or if it's even possible," wrote Stephen Wittek. "A lot of deeply entrenched interests, opinions, attitudes and beliefs would have to uprooted or steamrolled, and a lot of people would scream bloody apocalypse. Regardless of whether or not it 'makes sense,' the question at the heart of issue is 'Does America have the stomach for legalization?' And I'm pretty sure the answer is 'no.'"

Kristof will be following in the wake of Time's Joe Klein, CNN's Jack Cafferty, MSNBC's Pat Buchanan, as well as California Governor Arnold Schwarzenegger, top House Democrat Barney Frank, former Mexican President Vicente Fox and current Mexican Ambassador Arturo Sarukhan, all of whom have called for a rational discussion about drug policy that includes legalization.

Look for his column in the next few weeks. And look for something that moves the conversation forward.

"Increasingly, I'm thinking that legalization arguments are stronger and stronger," said Kristof.

Ryan Grim is the author of This Is Your Country On Drugs: The Secret History of Getting High in America, due out later this month

Nicholas Kristof wants to know: Should the U.S. legalize drugs? The influential New York Times columnist posted the question, which is being asked in mainstream circles with increasing frequency, on...
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If you examine the lies and manipulation involved in committing the crime of the Substance Abuse Act. There will be no need to "legalize" cannabis. It won't be worthy of outlawing and Hemp is literally ludicrous as a schedule#1 narcotic. Clearly the competition puts out a lot of money toward over zealous drug worriers campaigns. Remove the lies and then treat the street Pharmaceuticals like any deficiency.

The prohibition itself causes the harm in drugs. Same drugs given safely to millions without sharing needles, adulterations or inconsistent dosages. Vices are not crimes and lies are. Lets have some Justice. btw No self respecting grower will ruin their crop pollinating it with hemp as a camouflage.

Ganja has been used safely for 5000 years, Illicit pharmaceuticals were invented around 1850. No one can Gateway to what hasn't been invented. Only prohibition provides the stepping stone.

Pot potency has always been a range of THC levels, strains and climates. Extractions, elixirs and synthetic isolations of cannabinoids were in common use. Hash oil and Panama Red, Acapulco Gold, Thai stick or Vietnamese in the 60's and early 70's were higher potency than todays kynd bud.

All the drug czar's propaganda did was raise the price of BC bud, like free advertising. Buyers clubs have shown how to do it. Or home growing as a cost savings for Pharmaceuticals, a less intoxicating substance than alcohol. 250 word limit... continued.­..
http://drugwarrant.net/forum/viewtopic.php?p=4379#4379

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:02 AM on 06/02/2009

Most people have an innate desire to use mind altering substances. In a film I saw many years ago the fierce people of the Brazilian rain forest were snorting some substance that made them blow snot out their noses and stagger around like the town drunk. Ancient Sumerians drank beer until they threw up. This is apparently a fairly basic human drive. How should we handle it? 1) make pot as legal as alcohol and tobacco, (and ban advertising for all 3). 2) Establish centers in every major city where people can use other drugs. (This is similar to how we handle gambling, it is legal in some places, illegal in others). These centers would be highly guarded. They would be like voluntary prisons except you would be strip searched on the way out rather than on the way in. Within these centers most every drug would be available for your use at low cost so that even a minimum wage worker could afford to be a drug addict. You would have to be 21, sign a medical release, and if female have proof that you are on some type of long term birth control to use these facilities. That may seem harsh but drug use is a privilege not a right. You must be fairly sober and have no drugs on you to leave, (hence the strip search). This plan would limit the social costs of drug use.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:26 AM on 06/02/2009
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Definitely yes.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:24 AM on 06/02/2009
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Well Duh?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:23 AM on 06/02/2009
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Not yes. But H E L L yeah!!!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:39 AM on 06/02/2009
- factotem I'm a Fan of factotem 130 fans permalink
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No. To die of drug abue currently entails pushing past two social taboos: the law and chems. Make them legal and the number of deaths is going way up, as one of the barriers is gone.

And weed is harmless to adults, but I've known too many insanely stupid teen weed fiends who never amount to anything, after early exposure.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:18 AM on 06/02/2009
- Hawaii5-0 I'm a Fan of Hawaii5-0 16 fans permalink
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Legalizing pot and cocaine will do to the Mexican Drug Cartels, what legalizing alcohol did to Organized Crime in America. We'll end the war of drugs in one fell swoop, save at least $10B/yr, and empty our jails of "criminals" who have life sentences because of drug possession. No more people getting killed in our cities over drug turf, no more kidnappings, no more people dying by smuggling drugs into our country and increase our tax base thru sales of drugs.

Like it our not, our country will be forced to legalize drugs just to save money on drug enforcement and incarceration costs. It's happening in CA already. Government is NOT in the business of legislating morality. It has not stopped any of the human vices, prostitution, alcohol or drugs.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:07 AM on 06/02/2009

Decriminalize cannabis, then criminalize drug advertising completely. Don't stop at tobacco and alcohol ads, lets ban pharmeceutical ads as well. The pharmaceutical companies pass the cost of the ads to the buyers, and the doctor should be the one proscribing drugs not the patient asking the doctor for drugs.

If cannabis was permitted, but never advertised, it would be hard to make the same argument against it like we can with alcohol and tobacco. The argument that it will be excessively promoted and glamorized. Permitting people to grow their own plants also would cut down on the seller's marketing influence.

Its time that we adjust the law and our perceptions to the reality that cannabis is the third most popular recreational drug next to alcohol and tobacco and that putting people in cages for using it is paranoid and barbaric.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:06 AM on 06/02/2009
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i like that point. such things need not be promoted. but what about a local grower who wants the community to know that his harvest is in?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:24 AM on 06/02/2009
- jesselee26 I'm a Fan of jesselee26 27 fans permalink
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word of mouth

it works when its illegal. i have no idea why it wouldn't still work.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:22 AM on 06/02/2009
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Every time we create a "war" on something we cause that thing to grow. Our "war" on drugs has caused the price of illegal drugs to skyrocket thus funding organized crime and general bad guys worldwide. The horrible organized gangs in Mexico are almost entirely funded by the illegal drug trade.

Drug abuse at its heart is a victimless crime. It is the illegality that makes it a scourge on society. Addicts need treatment not jail. Pushers will go out of business the day the drugs become legal. Drug addiction is a terrible thing. But our "war" on drugs has turned the illegal drug trade into a fantastically lucrative business which in turn creates pushers who actively seek to addict others in order to enrich themselves.

To put this in perspective, California with its Imperial Valley is like a breadbasket to the United States, yet marijuana is the state's biggest cash crop at $14 billion annually. It seems bloody obvious that our current "war" approach for dealing with drug abuse has been an abysmal failure.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:19 AM on 06/02/2009

YES.

Legalize marijuana, mushrooms, steroids, DMT, MDMA.

Decriminalize crack, cocaine, meth, pcp, etc.

I really don't give a F#%K what people think can ruin a person's life or is "dangerous". Driving my car to work is dangerous. Taking a shower in my slippery tub is dangerous.

If I, or any of my 18 and over peers( ie ADULTS) want to ingest, inject, snort, or do whatever to do their body with any kind of substance, and do no harm to any other while in the process, IT'S THEIR CONSTITUTIONAL RIGHT TO DO SO. I don't care what anyone else on their high hypocritical horse thinks of it.

If you disagree with any of this, you know NOTHING of what FREEDOM is. If you don't have the rights, or control over your own body, this country is the FURTHEST thing from free.

By the way, when I was under 18, illegal drugs were much, much, much more accessible to me than legal drugs. Legalization and regulation of drugs keeps drugs out of kids' hands, morons.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:58 AM on 06/02/2009
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Get the federal government out of the issue. Make drug policy a state issue. This ought to excite most republicans who love states rights.

Now, some states will decide to continue to criminalize drugs. And their people can pay the cost of prisons to lock all those people up.

Many other states will legalize marijuana. They will tax the hell out of it, and just like state lotteries, the other states will become jealous and also legalize.

A state or two will legalize harder drugs. That is a viable experiment.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:58 AM on 06/02/2009
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An attempt to legalize all "illegal" drugs would be like herding cats. We don't have the same alcohol policy as we do tobacco policy as we do caffeine policy. Each substance requires a unique structure of regulation.

We should start with what we know. Every major government study has shown marijuana is non-addictive and far less harmful than alcohol. So, not only are we making "criminals" out of the 800,000 people arrested for marijuana every year (thus making them second-class citizens for life), but we are pushing society from a near harmless plant toward the destructive addiction of alcoholism.

Re-legalizing marijuana first is also more feasible. Since the baby boomers are now becoming the older generation, most Americans know the truth about marijuana. The latest polls reflect this, showing most Americans want an end to marijuana arrests.

The U.S. not ready? Ending slavery and discrimination were also earth-shaking changes that destroyed powerful financial interests. But we did it. Americans know it is the right thing to do. There is no use fighting against an idea whose time has come.

Once Americans see the sky does not fall with the re-legalization of marijuana, they will lose the rest of their propaganda-induced hysteria, and be able to consider the much smaller problem of the remaining illegal drugs. With that cool reason, we will be able to tailor the correct regulatory systems each different substance requires. Just as we do with alcohol, tobacco, and caffeine.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:58 AM on 06/02/2009
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It says a lot about the utter gullibility of Americans when they allow their government to ban one of the most useful plants on the face of the earth in favor of the absolutely soul-sucking, life-destroying drug alcohol. Just shows all of us again (not that we'll have the balls to do anything about it) that our "elected officials" serve only corporate interests, not humanity's.

Well, I object, dammit. I'm sick of the repetition of bald-faced lies that fly in the face of every legitimate scientific study of late. I'm sick of the fact that we have people in jails all over this country that DARED to smoke an herb cigarette. I'm sick of the narrow-minded control of our citizenry by people who are less educated, less inquisitive, and far more corrupt than the citizens they are supposed to be serving. By the way, I live in California.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:14 AM on 06/02/2009
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No drug which is *addictive* should be legal. Therefore, tobacco (nicotine) would be the first to go. Caffeine and alcohol are not addicting unless the user has consumed huge quantities over several years. So they remain legal. It is said that marijuana is not addicting, and 13 states have legalized it for medicinal use. Hard drugs like heroin and cocaine should never be legal, for any reason.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:00 AM on 06/02/2009
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You don't seem to consider that most drugs have the potential for physical AND psychological dependence, some more than others. 'Hard' drugs, such as opiates, cocaine and crack, hallucinogens, while possibly having value in a religious context, don't have a medical value. This is the threshold by which these substances are currently judged. But where does that leave tobacco? Alcohol and caffeine, in small quantities, can have a beneficial effect, becoming troublesome only in larger quantities, or to those with particular sensitivities. While this may also be the case for a few people with marijuana, it has a much lower LD50, something like the equivalent of smoking 15, 000 lbs. in a 15 minute time period. Finally, unlike any of the other drugs in question, marijuana has not been directly linked to a single fatality. But if you think the facts are going to be enough to sway a politician with their ass on the line, think again.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:06 AM on 06/02/2009

Why should addictive drugs not be legal?

You people don't know anything about freedom, personal choice, responsibility, or any of the above.

Move to China if you love the government having rule over all. I for one believe in freedom.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:45 PM on 06/02/2009
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    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:54 AM on 06/02/2009
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": Let MY People Grow" a video based on Jack Herer's book is available at Cannabisnews.com and at YouTube.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:52 AM on 06/02/2009

Yes.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:51 AM on 06/02/2009
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Agreed.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:07 AM on 06/02/2009
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"Regardless of whether or not it 'makes sense,' the question at the heart of issue is 'Does America have the stomach for legalization?' And I'm pretty sure the answer is 'no.'""

And I'm prettly sure that was the answer you wanted.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:48 AM on 06/02/2009

The question just becomes another form of a favorability question. Whoever answers it will project their own perspective on the matter.

We should acknowledge that I biggest obstacle is and always has been the fearful just say no conservatives. Fear and 'no' go together like lies and war.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:10 AM on 06/02/2009
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What does it mean that "we don't have the stomach" for it?
We appear to have a pretty strong stomach when it comes to other people's suffering: Invasion of countries, death penalty, poverty and incarceration, torture... Stomach...­come on
I have the feeling that this would be a popular issue (although polarizing) which is backed by tons of sound science and popular first hand knowledge.
Home growing would probably keep the industry of smokeable cannabis at bay, since it is much easier than brewing booze and it costs very little.
Maybe that is why? because an entire economy (however illicit) would collapse?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:50 AM on 06/02/2009
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I vote yes, to cannabis.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:47 AM on 06/02/2009
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....got a match???

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:42 AM on 06/02/2009

Does anyone really believe that someone who wants an illegal drug can’t get it anywhere in this country? All we’ve done by making drugs illegal is drive the price up and cause crime to rise to pay for the drugs. Remember Prohibition? All it did was create gangsters and organized crime. There was a time when no drugs were illegal in this country, but that changed basically for profit. Legalize everything, tax it, raise the penalties for injuring someone by driving under the influence, create treatment programs for those who want them, and let Adults make Adult choices.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:43 AM on 06/02/2009
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when it becomes legal i think i will buy brownies instead of smoking it. save my lungs.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:42 AM on 06/02/2009
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several alternatives to "joints" that are easier on the lungs, but edibles are great for longer pain relief. but if you have stomach problems some people need a puff or two to be able to hold them down long enough to be effective. vaporizers are good for that

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:59 AM on 06/02/2009
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but what about your hips?? ;-)

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:40 AM on 06/02/2009
- jesselee26 I'm a Fan of jesselee26 27 fans permalink
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tea? i've heard of pretty good pestos?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:28 AM on 06/02/2009
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