Kristof Asks Readers: Should US Legalize Drugs?

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Nicholas Kristof wants to know: Should the U.S. legalize drugs?

The influential New York Times columnist posted the question, which is being asked in mainstream circles with increasing frequency, on his Facebook page Saturday evening. Opinions have come pouring in.

"I'm thinking of writing this coming week about whether legalization of drugs makes sense. Any thoughts out there or good resources?" he asked.

Kristof told the Huffington Post he likes to reach out to readers for help when he's entering into not-entirely-familiar territory.

"It certainly prompted a lot of interesting thoughts, a lot of references to organizations involved, and one organization also reached out by phone to me. Maybe I would have come across the same organization, or maybe not, but on a topic that I don't know so well it can be a really useful tool," he said. "I find that on some issues it's completely useless, but on topics that especially involve experiences that I don't have, or knowledge that I don't have, then reaching out actually works pretty well."

One topic that doesn't work well with crowd-sourcing, Kristof said is the Middle East. "You get half the people with extreme views on the one side and half the people with extreme views on the other, and it's all heat and no light. And it's all arguments that I've already heard before," he said.

Tom Angell, a flak for the group Law Enforcement Against Prohibition, left Kristof a message after a friend at Students for Sensible Drug Policy alerted him to the query.

"Facebook and other social networking sites like Digg and Twitter have proven to be an essential tool for those of us working to drive the discussion on drug legalization from the political fringes to the upper echelons of the mainstream media in recent months," he told the Huffington Post in a g-chat.

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Angell, if he connects with Kristof, will encounter a receptive audience.

"It's been a gradual process," said Kristof about his thinking leading to the decision to confront the issue. "I think that the economy being a particular mess makes me a little more skeptical about spending vast amounts of money incarcerating people on drugs, and then I think the degree to which Mexico has been erupting also has made me wonder."

Kristof has traveled widely for his reporting and filed stories from a number of war zones. "The Taliban financing itself in part with opium has made me also wonder about the foreign-policy implications of our drug policies. But it's been something I've kind of wondered about and been ambivalent about for a number of years," said Kristof.

Facebookers who responded to Kristof took his question seriously and largely gave nuanced answers, leaning overwhelmingly in favor of a liberalized policy. His Facebook buds suggested he seek out drug-policy experts Mark Kleiman and Lester Grinspoon, along with Glenn Greenwald, who has recently written about Portugal's experience with decriminalization.

"If you do legalize marijuana, simultaneously implement strict, VERY strict drunk and high driving laws as well as gun laws to try to tame the negative externalities of marijuana use. I believe that the only possible drug to legalize would be marijuana, but I'm skeptical that our culture could handle it. Iowa sure as heck isn't Amsterdam," offered Jacqueline Nalbert Brysacz.

Though many of the posters were personally in favor of reforming drug policy, there was skepticism that the nation could handle legalization, much as Brysacz said.

"I favor legalization/decriminalization in theory, but I wonder how a policy shift of such magnitude would play out in the real world, or if it's even possible," wrote Stephen Wittek. "A lot of deeply entrenched interests, opinions, attitudes and beliefs would have to uprooted or steamrolled, and a lot of people would scream bloody apocalypse. Regardless of whether or not it 'makes sense,' the question at the heart of issue is 'Does America have the stomach for legalization?' And I'm pretty sure the answer is 'no.'"

Kristof will be following in the wake of Time's Joe Klein, CNN's Jack Cafferty, MSNBC's Pat Buchanan, as well as California Governor Arnold Schwarzenegger, top House Democrat Barney Frank, former Mexican President Vicente Fox and current Mexican Ambassador Arturo Sarukhan, all of whom have called for a rational discussion about drug policy that includes legalization.

Look for his column in the next few weeks. And look for something that moves the conversation forward.

"Increasingly, I'm thinking that legalization arguments are stronger and stronger," said Kristof.

Ryan Grim is the author of This Is Your Country On Drugs: The Secret History of Getting High in America, due out later this month

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- senorlou I'm a Fan of senorlou 126 fans permalink

I don't know about you, but I'm a going out to get a pack of smokes and a bottle of Jack D. I've got enough drugs as it is.

I'm just kidding. Legalize them.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:35 AM on 06/02/2009

A better indicator of the "war on drugs" disaster lies along the US-Mexico border where the headless bodies of hundreds of victims are illustrating that the more money we pour into this foolish venture, the more blood gets poured into the Sonoran sands. I'd advise everyone to go back and watch Soderbergh's 'Traffic' again--it spelled it out pretty clearly, but even after winning Oscars in 2000, here we are nearly a decade later and the politicians just don't give a damn. And people continue to die.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:34 AM on 06/02/2009
- Ganapati I'm a Fan of Ganapati 20 fans permalink
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Hey, we seem to be able to "stomach" those mexican heads no problem!
Been to Tijuana lately? Do you know how many people disappear every day and how many die for being at the wrong place at the wrong time?
Time to end this insanity. It has caused enough damage already. And all for a weed that makes you giggle...

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:54 AM on 06/02/2009
- jesselee26 I'm a Fan of jesselee26 30 fans permalink
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whens the last time our politicians have cared about either the corpses of the brown people in other countries their wars have created? or the incarcerated, black poor in their own country?

i know you guys won't post this, but whatever. its a legitimate response.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:33 AM on 06/02/2009

"I believe that the only possible drug to legalize would be marijuana, but I'm skeptical that our culture could handle it. Iowa sure as heck isn't Amsterdam," offered Jacqueline Nalbert Brysacz.
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As a former resident of Amsterdam, Ms Nalbert Brysacz, I can assure you that Amsterdammers are most assuredly not like Iowans. They are far more responsible and--no disrespect to the many sensible Iowans I know--far more patient. Marijuana and mushrooms were legal, but carefully regulated when I live there. (Mushrooms have since been outlawed, I believe, probably due to their unpredictability.)

The Dutch have some of the lowest rates of drug addiction, teen pregnancy and crime in the world. Despite this, they maintain their enlightened drug policy (which is also quite ingenious when you get into the details) in the face of hypocritical critics like the French whose own drug-addled citizens are tolerated, even treated in the Netherlands because the Dutch realize it is still better than the boneheaded alternative--making half the population a criminal. They maintain a justifiable disdain for the more obtuse laws of their neighbors, but rarely make their criticism public.

And just to dispel what seems to be an idealization of middle America, I'd recommend taking a look at the crime and drug rates in rural areas across the country. They're rising while urban rates are decreasing. Peyton Place has turned into a series of meth trailer parks... pretty grim.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:34 AM on 06/02/2009
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Legalize and sell it all (drugs/alcohol) from a "state sin store" like New Hampshire does with liquor--only sold in NH state liquor stores. Tax the crap out of it all and have police office supervise the store and check IDs---kids cant get it.
proceeds from the sales combined with no spending on war on drugs and prisons/law enforcement for drug offenders can more than pay for prevention/rehab with some left over for whatever else we want to spend it on--maybe we can even get our mentally ill off the streets.
Increase the penalties for those driving under the influence or otherwise harming others with imbibing and i think you have a more sensible policy.
BOTTOM LINE: The gov't should not tell you what to consume, what do with your body, or who to put your body into.
When i was in HS it was easier to by drugs than by alcohol.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:29 AM on 06/02/2009
- Nicon I'm a Fan of Nicon 46 fans permalink
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To any and all prohibitionists still out there:

Welcome to reality, Marijuana is harmless, always has been, always will be. Every component to the war on drugs is a lie, told so many times its believed by millions of people. BUT its still a lie. The reality is all the drugs in the world could never harm more people, claim more lives or cost more money than out prohibition of drugs.

Marijuana only danger is to the vast Timber and Petrol/chemical industries, it can not harm a human, but it can replace all of our paper, oil, and cotton needs completely.

Heroin,meth, crack, cocaine, opium, and every other drug out there can and do cause harm when used in excess, but why should the rest of us spend Billions each year to try and stop Human Beings from ingesting them?

Regulation and control is how we keep dangerous things from doing harm, as we have seen with tobacco and alcohol, regulation and education do infinitely more good than prohibition ever could. Not only does prohibition not work, it makes drugs more available to the populations prohibitionists claim to be protecting.

Time to pull our sanctimonious heads out of our asses and start solving the problem.

Legalization NOW!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:29 AM on 06/02/2009
- senorlou I'm a Fan of senorlou 126 fans permalink

You are correct! 1% of the population was addicted to drugs in the early 20th century before they were criminalized. That hasn't changed - we're still at 1% for the now illegal drugs. I'm sure the criminal gangs who sell them will be crushed if they are legalized.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:37 AM on 06/02/2009

Arguing that anything is "harmless" is a dead end. For crissakes, you can die from drinking too much water. Nothing is entirely harmless.

Try stressing personal responsibility instead. It's much more rational and no one can criticize it.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:53 AM on 06/02/2009
- Ganapati I'm a Fan of Ganapati 20 fans permalink
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I loved your post
Clear, concise and true.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:56 AM on 06/02/2009
- Nicon I'm a Fan of Nicon 46 fans permalink
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i do try. And thank you.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:19 AM on 06/02/2009
- TJCole I'm a Fan of TJCole 167 fans permalink
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Legalize marijuana not hard drugs, heroin cocaine etc..

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:25 AM on 06/02/2009

Legalize marijuana, mdma, mushrooms, and LSD. The tax revenue from marijuana alone, would be substantial. While, I'm not convinced that other, so-called hard drugs, should be legal, non-violent addicts should not be in prison.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:24 AM on 06/02/2009
- senorlou I'm a Fan of senorlou 126 fans permalink

You can smoke pot every day for years, quit cold turkey, and absolutely nothing will happen to you. No rehab, no withdrawals, basically nothing. You might get grouchy, but I sure didn't when I quit. Absolutely nothing happened to me, except I saved some $. Marijuana is no big whoop. Cancer and AIDS patients rely on it. I've seen people use it to curb drug abuse of stronger drugs, even quit them. If you smoke all day every day, you'll be groggy sometimes, but you build a tolerance and it won't really get you all that high if you smoke it.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:17 AM on 06/02/2009
- RIPRNC I'm a Fan of RIPRNC 4 fans permalink
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I'm not a smoker, just a pragmatist. The fact that we still have this discussion is infuriating. I think of Bart Simpson in the back of the car asking "Are we there yet?" every 5 seconds, when the answer to ther question is always the same. Although in this case it's a resounding YES. I'm not exactly sold on having everything legalized, but legalizing pot seems to be such a blatantly obvious decision. Although we can't just pin this on the republicans when the vast majority of democrats we all put into office don't have the cajones to break from the status quo.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:13 AM on 06/02/2009
- jsgaetano I'm a Fan of jsgaetano 216 fans permalink
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You are completely right, legalizing everything won't be a great answer, but we legalize a few things, then look at what's safe to expand to.

Obvious things like crystal meth would never be legal- it literally destroys your brain.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:17 AM on 06/02/2009
- Amalek I'm a Fan of Amalek 129 fans permalink
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I read an interesting theory about drugs like Meth. If you legalize it you will see a spike in problems, and potentially destroy much of a generation. However, soon after that, people recognize the dangers of the drug and simply stay away - a phenomenon similar to the decline in smoking in the US. Those that continue to use dangerous drugs will be those who use them today while it is illegal. In other words, in time, nothing will change on drug use, yet the enormous costs to society from criminalization of drugs are removed. Those costs include crimes to get money to buy drugs, the cost of enforcement (including the intrusion on society of over-enthusiastic cops) the cost of imprisoning drug offenders, and the cost of deal with hardened criminals when they are released.

Decriminalization is the right way to go. Get the government out of our lives.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:52 AM on 06/02/2009
- Ganapati I'm a Fan of Ganapati 20 fans permalink
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No, but really really really really really:
Why is it illegal? What are the arguments?
Not the fringe ones, but the more sensible?
Please enlighten me.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:58 AM on 06/02/2009
- Ganapati I'm a Fan of Ganapati 20 fans permalink
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I am referring to marihuana

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:58 AM on 06/02/2009
- Phalanxman I'm a Fan of Phalanxman 21 fans permalink

The American public has had decades of experience with the wide use of marijuana, albeit mostly the illegal use of marijuana. (fffffffffffttt.) While it does have some negative side effects, such as a tendency to curb ambition in some people or lead others to a psychological addiction, it really has none of the worst side effects of alcohol, such as, for example, senseless and indiscriminate violence, or unexplained pregnancies. (ffffffffftt.) Marijuana also has demonstrable benefits to its use, including relaxation, decreasing stress, easing anxiety, encouraging sound sleep, making food taste really, really good, and allowing even average comediens to seem as fresh as Cheech and Chong in their prime. (ffffffffftt.) Chances are that, if legalized, not many more people would smoke marijuana than are smoking it now anyway. (ffffffffffftt.) It could serve as a legitimate source of government revenues (so long as it is not "over-taxed") and would provide thousands of legitimate jobs. (fffffffffffftt.) And those would all, for the most part, be green jobs. (ffft, fffft.) Of course, driving and operating heavy machinery while under the influence of marijuana should be prohibited, and people with jobs which require some clarity of mind, such as lawyers or heart surgeons, should not go to work after smoking or otherwise ingesting pot. (ffffffffffffftt.) It would also save us millions and millions a year in marijuana prosecutions and incarceration. (ffffffft.) I hope Americans are ready to consider this progressive and worthy proposal. (fft.)

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:12 AM on 06/02/2009
- Ganapati I'm a Fan of Ganapati 20 fans permalink
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Home growing, easy and costless, could render the industrialization of smokeable cannabis unprofitable or impossible in a large scale, don't you think?
Unless the mom and pop's on the corner has a stash of martian crystal weed or something like the (fictitious) variety in American Beauty, why would I buy when I can grow it? It is easier than growing tomatoes, it seems.
Something tells me, and I am not of the conspiratorial mind, that large economies would collapse and that is the reason for keeping it like it is.
It doesn't make much sense otherwise.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:06 AM on 06/02/2009
- jesselee26 I'm a Fan of jesselee26 30 fans permalink
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not everybody has a green thumb. i think more people would be inspired to try to grow marijuana with legalization, but i think there would still be demand for product, most definitely. the green jobs created may only be local, but the past months have shown us growing a local, green market is a highly desirable endeavor for any community.

the collapse of the larger economy, marijuana-wise would be cartels, big bad criminal organizations. i'm sure they would sprout other heads, somehow, but that's a part of the discussion that needs to be had in an honest and open debate about legalization.

the collapse of a larger economy that scares the s#!t out of the politicians are the pill companies, jails and d.e.a. who would all be up a certain stinky creek without paddles.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:54 AM on 06/02/2009
- cmugs I'm a Fan of cmugs 3 fans permalink

i feel as though we should be looking more at the decriminalization of marijuana not the legalization of marijuana.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:11 AM on 06/02/2009
- senorlou I'm a Fan of senorlou 126 fans permalink

Oh yeah, the jargon will make a difference. We've pretty much "decriminalized" it here in California. It's our #1 cash crop, and has created over 400 mom and pop marijuana co-ops. It generates 8.75% sales tax on every sale of it. Apparently, our town likes it that way. We should have done this decades ago.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:15 AM on 06/02/2009
- 4KixAfter6 I'm a Fan of 4KixAfter6 66 fans permalink
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Prohibition never worked before and it will never work. As long as people want something, they will get it, whether it's legal or not. As long as theres a market, there will be suppliers. Legalizing drugs will take the dealers off the streets. Regulate the sale the same as liquor stores. The patrons would be the same costumers that are buying it now. The money being spent now on drugs is going out of the country and non taxable. As far as how the public would handle this, it would just be another day in the neighborhood, less the drug dealings.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:09 AM on 06/02/2009
- Tzimisce I'm a Fan of Tzimisce 12 fans permalink
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I'm for the legalization and regulation of everything except PCP.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:07 AM on 06/02/2009
- senorlou I'm a Fan of senorlou 126 fans permalink

PCP was created to be used as an anesthetic for surgery. It was hoped to be a miracle drug because, unlike morphine, etc. it did not cause respiratory failure. OK, so it caused out of body experiences? It's not very popular these days anyway, so I wouldn't worry about it much.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:12 AM on 06/02/2009
- Tzimisce I'm a Fan of Tzimisce 12 fans permalink
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...A guy on PCP ate his own 4-year-old son's EYES.

It's a drug that regularly causes people to act violently.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:44 AM on 06/02/2009
- MyTake I'm a Fan of MyTake 32 fans permalink
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Yes, legalize drugs but then use Cheney's water boarding technique on all people who are found under the influence of a drug and keep doing it until they tell you who THEY BOUGHT THE DRUGS FROM. In that way, the trail will lead the police right to the doorstep of the drug manufacturers and the cartel heads (or the CIA whichever comes first).

After street drugs are legalized, then throw all of the pharmaceutical cartel in jail and water board them as well until they tell why the 100 year old ASPIRIN, taken by an expectant mother one week prior to giving birth, causes interference in the developing brain biology with respect to the sexual identity of the infant (a diabolically crude population control measure foisted on the population by Bayer Chemicals).

Or just forget all of this and just take HEMP out of the Narcotic Control Act so that this valuable plant can save the planet by capturing the pulp and paper industry and thereby leave the TREES standing so they can do their job of ABSORBING CARBON DIOXIDE!

I wonder if Obama and Chu know about this stuff!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:02 AM on 06/02/2009

Of course marijuana should be entirely legal for adults.
Much safer than alcohol! Legalization would hurt the
prison industry, but there are much better places to
spend the public's money...

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:50 PM on 06/01/2009
- Ganapati I'm a Fan of Ganapati 20 fans permalink
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"would hurt the
prison industry"
You are being ironic, please tell me so.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:08 AM on 06/02/2009
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