Obama, Senate Dems Consider Public Health Care Option With A Trigger

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First Posted: 06- 2-09 01:50 PM   |   Updated: 06- 2-09 02:41 PM

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The Obama administration and Senate Democrats are debating a health care reform outline that will insist upon a public option for insurance but leave open the possibility for it to be kicked in via triggers.

Multiple Democratic sources tell the Huffington Post that the White House and key members of the Finance and Health, Education, Labor and Pensions (HELP) Committees are in the process of hammering out key principles on health care reform -- with a meeting scheduled at the West Wing this afternoon. One of the components will be music to progressive ears: that any bill includes an option publicly run health insurance coverage. But it also comes with a caveat that could engender opposition from that very same constituency.

A trigger would pave the way for public option to come into place only after certain market conditions are met -- mainly if private insurance companies are unable to achieve various metrics for coverage within a certain time frame. The proposal would placate many of the private health care actors who consider a public plan the first step towards a single-payer system. Progressives, however, view it as reform in name and not substance.

"This is really, obviously, a mechanism to kill the public plan," said one progressive health care reform advocate. "We will see what comes out, but the fact that they are debating this is problematic."

An official at the White House said he could not immediately confirm the report.

The proposal for a public plan with triggers has been welcomed among some moderate Democrats who want to forge a compromise on what is shaping up as the major fault line on health care reform. Sen. Max Baucus, one of the major players in the debate, has offered his support for this approach. As have Senators Ron Wyden (D-Ore.) and Thomas Carper (D-Del.).

That said, opposition to the proposal is fierce.

"I would have very strong reservations about [a trigger], but I think we have to keep talking," said Sen. Barbara Mikulski (D-Md.), a powerful subcommittee chairwoman on the health committee.

Senator Chuck Schumer has insisted that, if anything, "reasonable criteria for triggering a public plan has already been met."

"Premiums are high," the New York Democrat said, "and either one or two insurers dominate the market. As we've seen with Medicare part D, a trigger option has so far meant no public option at all."

Indeed, as Schumer notes, there is a trigger in the Medicare part D program and, to this date, the conditions have never been met for a public option for prescription drug coverage. The standards were set by private market, all but ensuring that they would remain unreachable. Progressive officials working on health care reform worry that should the same system be put in place for insurance coverage, the same result will occur and public health care will never come to pass.

With additional reporting by Ryan Grim.

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- Skyhawk I'm a Fan of Skyhawk 25 fans permalink
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Trigger sounds right. A gun trigger on universal health care.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:24 PM on 06/03/2009

Do you wonder why the insurance companies will do anything to prevent meaningful healthcare reform?

What percentage of the profits below are derived from hiking up premiums and co-pays, denying care to people using the fine print in the policies ("not medically necessary" and "experimental"), and rescinding policies when the insureds face health crises after hiring investigators to find some minor ailment the insureds failed to disclose on their applications?

This is "Free Market," profit-driven health insurance. Ain't it great?

HEALTH INSURANCE COMPANY PROFITS IN 2007:

1. UnitedHealth Group -- $ 4.654 BILLION. UnitedHealth Group owns Oxford, PacifiCare, IBA, AmeriChoice, Evercare, Ovations, MAMSI and Ingenix, a healthcare data company

2. WellPoint -- $ 3.345 BILLION. Wellpoint owns BLUES across the US, including Anthem Blue Cross Blue Shield, Blue Cross Blue Shield of Georgia, Blue Cross Blue Shield of Wisconsin, Empire HealthChoice Assurance, Healthy Alliance, and many others

3. Aetna Inc. -- $ 1.831 BILLION

4. CIGNA Corp -- $ 1.115 BILLION

THE COMPENSATION OF THE HEALTHCARE INSURANCE EXECUTIVES

ANNUAL COMPENSATION (2006/2007 figures):

Ronald A. Williams, Chair/ CEO, Aetna Inc., $23,045,834
H. Edward Hanway, Chair/ CEO, Cigna Corp, $30.16 million
David B. Snow, Jr, Chair/ CEO, Medco Health, $21.76 million
Michael B. MCallister, CEO, Humana Inc, $20.06 million
Stephen J. Hemsley, CEO, UnitedHealth Group, $13,164,529
Dale B. Wolf, CEO, Coventry Health Care, $20.86 million
Jay M. Gellert, President/ CEO, Health Net, $16.65 million

http://www.insurancecompanyrules.org/learn_more/the_roster/

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:10 PM on 06/03/2009
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Add to that the bonuses that these companies pay employees for DENYING covered claims.

Add to that the money these companies make delaying paying the health care providers who are actually treating patients.

These corporations, their corporate officers and managers ought to be facing criminal charges for the people who die after being denied health care they were covered for.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:25 PM on 06/03/2009

Good points. Why is it that when a corporation commits crime, no one is punished?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:36 PM on 06/03/2009
- Lemeritus I'm a Fan of Lemeritus 109 fans permalink
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A couple of days ago, I was poised to say that if we could expect the same consumer benefits from Obama’s meeting with the insurance industry as we got from his meeting with the credit card companies, health care reform was in big trouble. I didn't because, like revenge, pessimism is a dish best served cold.

The insurance companies, of course, made the same compelling argument that the credit companies made – if government had the temerity to intercede, it would force them to raise their costs. They maintain that, as the foxes in charge of the hen house, THEY are perfectly positioned to tackle reform. These are the VERY companies (as Lucy Jones pointed out in the San Francisco Chronicle today) who are:
-exempt from anti-trust protections
-outside the purview of federal law
-in control of virtually every state regulator, elected or appointed, in the country

Now we are hearing about "the trigger" -- an event which would happen if private insurers were unable to offer "good enough" plans. Who would decide if a plan was "good enough"? I imagine the insurance companies would take care of that detail on our behalf.

Add this to other white caps on the still pond of Hoped For -- i.e., Baucus talking about taxing health care benefits, an article in the Washington Times advocating a VAT sales tax to pay for the public plan -- and it’s clear we need to keep a sharp eye this (and take names!)

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:03 PM on 06/03/2009
- getsit I'm a Fan of getsit 22 fans permalink

As for a trigger, get real. It's a joke. If the health insurance companies were already providing appropriate care we wouldn't even need to consider a trigger. The only way to make the insurance companies do what's right for their clients is to MAKE THEM BY LAW. It's all about the money and profits.

Obama is considering taxing health benefits some of us are lucky enough to still receive at work. This will just add to the cost of care since most of us also pay part of the premium and can't afford to cover all of the premium for our children or have no coverage for our families. Many of these insurance policies, besides being expensive, limit benefits. Some of my fellow coworkers will have to pay as much as $1200 more per month to cover their family member. My employer only contributes $500 per month toward medical health insurance which covers some of my Kaiser premium. If I still had children I couldn't afford the extra premium, and then to tax the $500?.

Taxing these benefits from employers will just add to the burdon the working poor and middle class already have to bear. Imagine making $10 per hour, getting a minimum medical insurance policy your employer pays toward plus an amount you contribute with no coverage for your family. This is a typical scenario.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:41 AM on 06/03/2009

45 million people have no health care coverage, those who do have skyrocketing costs, and healthcare bills are the leading cause of bankruptcy. For the love of God! What more of trigger do we need! We are in crisis, we must have everyone covered. This is more important now than ever with the threats of some kind of pandemic we're facing, whether it's H1N1, H5N1, or some unseen SARS like illness. If people are unable to go to the doctor as soon as they are sick, we have no chance what so ever of controlling any kind of pandemic. One third of the kids in my school district live in poverty. If they don't go to the doctor, that puts my family at risk. I'm will to pony up the money to get them all covered. We don't have time to screw around with "trigger" options or any other nonsense. This is time critical and meaningfull reform must be done now.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:31 AM on 06/03/2009
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It's funny that when I was unemployed I received adequate medical coverage from the state. And then when I was employed but my company did not have medical coverage I still qualified to keep the state medical coverage. I wonder if people don't realize that they don't have to get welfare but can get state run insurance for free all they have to do is apply. Of course this could vary state to state but it is well worth looking into. Maybe instead of paying more money, people should be investigating programs that are already available and are funded by our taxes already. Just a thought.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:32 PM on 06/03/2009

No such thing as "state medical coverage" here in "Free Market" Texas.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:51 PM on 06/03/2009
- kjstjohn I'm a Fan of kjstjohn 250 fans permalink
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Contact these undecided Democratic Senators to let them know that, at minimum, you want a Medicare-like single-payer health insurance option.

General Contact Information
http://www.senate.gov/general/contact_information/senators_cfm.cfm

Max Baucus MT
http://baucus.senate.gov/contact/emailForm.cfm?subj=issue
Evan Bayh IN
http://bayh.senate.gov/contact/email/
Mark Begich AK
http://begich.senate.gov/contact/contact.cfm
Michael Bennet CO
http://bennet.senate.gov/public/index.cfm?p=TransitionalSiteEmailSenatorBennet
Robert Byrd WV
http://byrd.senate.gov/contacts/
Maria Cantwell WA
http://cantwell.senate.gov/contact/
Thomas Carper DE
http://carper.senate.gov/contact/
Kent Conrad ND
https://conrad.senate.gov/contact/webform.cfm
Byron Dorgan ND
http://dorgan.senate.gov/contact/contact_form.cfm
Dianne Feinstein CA
http://feinstein.senate.gov/public/index.cfm?FuseAction=ContactUs.EmailMe
Kay Hagan NC
http://hagan.senate.gov/?p=contact
Mary Landrieu LA
http://landrieu.senate.gov/contact/index.cfm
Patty Murray WA
http://murray.senate.gov/email/index.cfm
Bill Nelson FL
http://billnelson.senate.gov/contact/email.cfm
Mark Pryor AR
http://pryor.senate.gov/contact/
Harry Reid NV
http://reid.senate.gov/contact/index.cfm
Arlen Specter PA
http://specter.senate.gov/public/index.cfm?FuseAction=Contact.ContactForm
Jon Tester MT
http://tester.senate.gov/Contact/
Mark Udall CO
http://tomudall.senate.gov/contact/contact.cfm
Mark Warner VA
http://warner.senate.gov/public/index.cfm?p=Contact
Ron Wyden OR
http://wyden.senate.gov/contact/

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:42 AM on 06/03/2009
- kjstjohn I'm a Fan of kjstjohn 250 fans permalink
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Here are Independents and moderate Republicans

Joe Lieberman CT
http://lieberman.senate.gov/contact/index.cfm?regarding=issue
Susan Collins ME
http://collins.senate.gov/public/continue.cfm?FuseAction=ContactSenatorCollins.EmailIssue
Olympia Snowe ME
http://snowe.senate.gov/public/index.cfm?FuseAction=ContactSenatorSnowe.Email

To send free e-faxes to key policy makers, go to link below and then click on “Send Faxes” tab
http://www.1payer.net/action-alerts/send-a-free-efax-to-policymakers.html

Here is the link for contacting the White House:
http://www.whitehouse.gov/contact/

Here is Dr. Dean’s website:
http://standwithdrdean.com/where_congress_stands

To find out where you can attend a party on June 6:
http://my.barackobama.com/page/content/hckickoff

Keep these e-mail links going for KQuark and send them to your friends and family.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:43 AM on 06/03/2009
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Thanks for posting these links, kjstjohn and KQuark.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:31 PM on 06/03/2009
- PINO I'm a Fan of PINO 18 fans permalink
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Thanks. I will make sure that I contact these dumbocrats and voice my wish for a Free Market Solution, instead of a single-payer system.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:59 AM on 06/03/2009

The "Free Market" will insure that fewer and fewer people have insurance as the insurance companies continue to cherry pick the healthy, hike up premiums and co-pays, deny doctor prescribed treatments (deeming them "not medically necessary" or "experimental"--read the fine print in your policy), and rescind policies when patients face major health crises (after hiring investigators to pore over their health histories to find something they failed to disclose on their applications--like a yeast infection).

Many people in this country are already underinsured, but they don't realize it. Half the personal bankruptcies in this country are caused by medical expenses, and three quarters of these people had insurance at the onset of their illness.

This is the "Free Market."

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:28 AM on 06/03/2009

Aren't we already in the midst of the free market "solution"?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:36 PM on 06/03/2009
- Beachchick I'm a Fan of Beachchick 369 fans permalink
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Will you please explain how Health care is a market.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:53 PM on 06/03/2009
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The great thing about America is choice. I am also glad for the posting of the links so I could say NO to the single-payer system. Thanks!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:47 PM on 06/03/2009

Obama has a staff of 6 doctors who follow him 24/7. His views of healthcare in the nation have changed a bit as a result.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:08 AM on 06/03/2009
- kjstjohn I'm a Fan of kjstjohn 250 fans permalink
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Obama is looking at what he can reasoanably accomplish and that will depend on whether you and I can put enough pressure on our legislators.

Go to a meeting on June 6 and see what you can do.

To find out where you can attend a party on June 6:
http://my.barackobama.com/page/content/hckickoff

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:45 AM on 06/03/2009
- x004Ronin I'm a Fan of x004Ronin 35 fans permalink

Exactly: Everyone pretends Obama is a king now. He's a *President,* meaning he needs legislators to agree with his proposals to enact them. He can't do it by decree.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:41 AM on 06/03/2009
- jmpurser I'm a Fan of jmpurser 193 fans permalink

If he can't "reasonably accomplish" his job then he shouldn't have run for it. Or perhaps he should get up off his ass and fight for the good of the nation.

The damnable Clintonesque policy of "the politics of the possible" has to be scrubbed from our nation's capital. We need leaders again.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:04 PM on 06/03/2009

"Progressive officials working on health care reform worry that should the same system be put in place for insurance coverage, the same result will occur and public health care will never come to pass."

Instead of worrying they should be out in front of this demanding that legitimate and realistic triggers be set in place and not unattainable ones designed to kill the public plan.

President Obama is "the decider" he can't just force policy on the country, if Democrats are not onboard then compromise is the only option, unless the political will for universal public health insurance can be re-invigorated.

Right now the right is building opposition across the nation on talk-radio, while progressives are already planning for failure.

7daysWeak

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:41 AM on 06/03/2009

Progressives are planning for failure because Health Care reform is already DOA.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:51 AM on 06/03/2009

Whatever- if you want to pout and be defeatist, go ahead.

However, there is a real chance to get reform for the first time. Of course if everyone is like you and just gives up before the fight is even waged, then nothing will happen.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:05 AM on 06/03/2009
- jmpurser I'm a Fan of jmpurser 193 fans permalink

Fine. Let's have a trigger. Let the trigger be that private health care has to fail Americans consistantly for 30 years. Let the trigger be that Americans are dying for lack of health care. Let the trigger be that our health care system delivers the worst results in the developed world.

And finally let the trigger be that there is a large angry populace out here that is tired of seeing Americans killed off in the name of corporate profits.

The trigger has been PULLED Mr. President. It's past time to deliver Universal single payer government run health insurance for America.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:40 AM on 06/03/2009

And finally let the trigger be that there is a large angry populace out here that is tired of seeing Americans killed off in the name of corporate profits.

Or let the trigger be, single payer or you're fired.

We elected change. We can un-elect the status quo.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:48 PM on 06/03/2009
- PINO I'm a Fan of PINO 18 fans permalink
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The trigger is on the gun, that the government his holding against our head, that will force this universal health care on to every American.

By hook or by crook the current administration will ruin our current free market health care system.

The real reason why a number of policy analysts and politicians favor a public health plan is because they see it as a way to crowd out private health care options, paving the way to a single-payer system. Four recent proposals for a public health plan all fail to prescribe a workable solution for health care reform.

Kill the bill because the plan will kill our health care system.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:28 AM on 06/03/2009
- jmpurser I'm a Fan of jmpurser 193 fans permalink

Our current free market health care system is already "ruined". It's the most expensive and the worst at delivering health care in the developed world. It's been failing for 30 years.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:33 AM on 06/03/2009

So, your wonderful free market system can't compete with a public option?

Here is the pure lunacy in what you say:

A) The free market system works just fine as it is and a public option will "ruin" it.

B) The public option, although obviously inferior to all private options, will somehow attract enough people to push the private options out of business.

Either you believe in the market system, where people can CHOOSE to go to the public option, or you don't. But you can't say you believe in competition and then limit competition at the same time.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:09 AM on 06/03/2009
- vesaversa1 I'm a Fan of vesaversa1 15 fans permalink
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I appreciate the job that President Obama is doing ,but if he expect to get reelected in 2012 he better support a public health care plane and not cave .The American peoples want be fool by anything less than a full public option plan we have seen eneough of the smoke and mirrow in wasgington for years .President Obama were elected to bring change not more of the same old lies that we have seen in pass .

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:01 AM on 06/03/2009
- kjstjohn I'm a Fan of kjstjohn 250 fans permalink
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You need to empower Obama. He has to get Congress' support and they are in the pocket of the for-profit industry.

What if a million people sent Baucus an e-mail that said they were going to donate to his opponent in the next election unless he pushes (at the very least) for a Medicare-like public option?

Here is the e-mail link. Pass it in to your friends and family.

Max Baucus MT
http://baucus.senate.gov/contact/emailForm.cfm?subj=issue

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:50 AM on 06/03/2009

Another promise broken by Obama?

How shocking!

Like rendition
like keeping 50,000 in Iraq for ten more years
like dropping those care packages on women and children using drone planes
like keeping secret cia shops open
like keeping the pictures secret
like keeping lobbyist in the administration using waivers
like keeping the memos secret
like keeping tax cheats in charge of the treasury

Change it takes the KoolAid to swallow

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:43 AM on 06/03/2009
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This is a joke! .... If this is the best he can do right now than he should wait until he has the votes in the senate to do it right.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:39 AM on 06/03/2009

That isn't how it works. Single payer can't happen now. The public option can, although that will be a battle. The public option is the pre-cursor for single payer. Therefore, you NEED to take the first step before you can take the next step. "Waiting" is a luxury many do NOT possess.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:11 AM on 06/03/2009
- djgonebad I'm a Fan of djgonebad 9 fans permalink
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Why can't he put "SINGAL-PAYER" health care on the table; are the Democrats that afraid of the health-care lobby; just painted into the same corner as the dried-up Republicans?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:15 AM on 06/03/2009
- jmpurser I'm a Fan of jmpurser 193 fans permalink

Afraid they'll be called "liberals" and paid off not to do it.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:34 AM on 06/03/2009
- PINO I'm a Fan of PINO 18 fans permalink
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Check those countries that have "single-payer" health care. It sucks. How would like to wait 2 years to be treated for an ailment. Or wait 2 years to have a surgical procedure. Or be denied medicine because it is too expensive.

The politicians on both side realize that they would be voted out of office if this proceeds. And the beauty of a NEW administration is that they can vote NOT to supplement funds for this fiasco.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:40 AM on 06/03/2009
- rf-hawaii I'm a Fan of rf-hawaii 24 fans permalink

Not true.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:15 PM on 06/03/2009
- djgonebad I'm a Fan of djgonebad 9 fans permalink
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Same old talking points.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:16 PM on 06/03/2009
- Alila I'm a Fan of Alila 3 fans permalink
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Another betrayal. It's becoming rather dull now, isn't it?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:08 AM on 06/03/2009
- jmpurser I'm a Fan of jmpurser 193 fans permalink

No, it hurts every time.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:34 AM on 06/03/2009
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