Obama, Senate Dems Consider Public Health Care Option With A Trigger

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First Posted: 06- 2-09 01:50 PM   |   Updated: 06- 2-09 02:41 PM

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The Obama administration and Senate Democrats are debating a health care reform outline that will insist upon a public option for insurance but leave open the possibility for it to be kicked in via triggers.

Multiple Democratic sources tell the Huffington Post that the White House and key members of the Finance and Health, Education, Labor and Pensions (HELP) Committees are in the process of hammering out key principles on health care reform -- with a meeting scheduled at the West Wing this afternoon. One of the components will be music to progressive ears: that any bill includes an option publicly run health insurance coverage. But it also comes with a caveat that could engender opposition from that very same constituency.

A trigger would pave the way for public option to come into place only after certain market conditions are met -- mainly if private insurance companies are unable to achieve various metrics for coverage within a certain time frame. The proposal would placate many of the private health care actors who consider a public plan the first step towards a single-payer system. Progressives, however, view it as reform in name and not substance.

"This is really, obviously, a mechanism to kill the public plan," said one progressive health care reform advocate. "We will see what comes out, but the fact that they are debating this is problematic."

An official at the White House said he could not immediately confirm the report.

The proposal for a public plan with triggers has been welcomed among some moderate Democrats who want to forge a compromise on what is shaping up as the major fault line on health care reform. Sen. Max Baucus, one of the major players in the debate, has offered his support for this approach. As have Senators Ron Wyden (D-Ore.) and Thomas Carper (D-Del.).

That said, opposition to the proposal is fierce.

"I would have very strong reservations about [a trigger], but I think we have to keep talking," said Sen. Barbara Mikulski (D-Md.), a powerful subcommittee chairwoman on the health committee.

Senator Chuck Schumer has insisted that, if anything, "reasonable criteria for triggering a public plan has already been met."

"Premiums are high," the New York Democrat said, "and either one or two insurers dominate the market. As we've seen with Medicare part D, a trigger option has so far meant no public option at all."

Indeed, as Schumer notes, there is a trigger in the Medicare part D program and, to this date, the conditions have never been met for a public option for prescription drug coverage. The standards were set by private market, all but ensuring that they would remain unreachable. Progressive officials working on health care reform worry that should the same system be put in place for insurance coverage, the same result will occur and public health care will never come to pass.

With additional reporting by Ryan Grim.

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- ntmessage I'm a Fan of ntmessage 38 fans permalink

Framing the discussion on Health Care Reform as simply “Slowing the immense cost increases” this industry has enjoyed over the years as we struggle with the worst deflation in almost 100 years is exactly backwards and repressive.

Indeed, the totally disingenuous cost savings to consumers is actually a lie since there will not be any cost savings at all. These so-called savings are measured against the already over inflated, unsustainable and potentially bankrupting costs increases that will remain in the system.

An ROI calculation against a 10-year investment against GDP is pure fantasy and even the most clueless board of directors would ridicule a proposal like this.

We simply must focus on inefficient, fraudulent and wasted health care dollars that do not add value to the practicing physician, nurses and patients. Neglecting to identify who the customer actually is on Health Care is criminal. It is not the insurers, the corporations, the pharmaceutical companies, nor the device and product suppliers.

Focusing on the intersection of Health Care COSTS and QUALITY is the only way to both save the system from collapsing the economy and moving the system to anywhere near world class as far as outcomes.

COST/QUALITY: We must move from 18% of GDP to a constant 7%-8% of GDP cost attained by other large countries that cover everyone yet possess an even larger percentage of elderly than we have. These would be TRUE savings measured against values added outcomes for practicing physicians, nurses and patients.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:54 AM on 06/03/2009
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We saw what happened to the last Trigger.

He got stuffed and is on display at the Roy Rogers museum.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:57 AM on 06/03/2009

WHAAAAAT?

"A trigger would pave the way for public option to come into place only after certain market conditions are met -- mainly if private insurance companies are unable to achieve various metrics for coverage within a certain time frame."

Oh, and lemme guess - the private insurance companies get to dictate what the metrics are and what the time frame is, RIGHT?

What a bunch of freakin' malarkey.

I was hopeful about health care reform when Obama was elected but now I really think NOTHING of substance is going to happen.

Heavy sigh.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:36 AM on 06/03/2009
- KQuark I'm a Fan of KQuark 267 fans permalink
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Do something instead of just "sigh".

Contact your congress people.

http://standwithdrdean.com/where_congress_stands

Send free faxes to the finance committee and the white house.

http://www.1payer.net/action-alerts/send-a-free-efax-to-policymakers.html

Contact the white house. I sent a couple of emails and left a couple of messages today.

http://www.whitehouse.gov/contact/

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:58 AM on 06/03/2009

I DO CONTACT MY CONGRESS PEOPLE BY PHONE, MAIL, EMAIL EVEN BY REGISTERED LETTER. THEY SELDOM RESPOND IF AT ALL.

BUT THEY SURE SEEM TO JUMP FOR INSURANCE AND BIG PHARMA.

I'D MAIL THEM A CONTAINER OF DOG POOP IF I COULD, BUT SADLY I'D PROBABLY BE DETAINED INDEFINITELY FOR TERRORISM.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:21 AM on 06/03/2009
- Manx I'm a Fan of Manx 18 fans permalink

This is the same Obama who said in a speech to the Families USA Conference in Washington D.C. on January 25, 2007:

"I am absolutely determined that, by the end of the first term of the next president, we should have universal health care in this country. There's no reason why we can't accomplish that."

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:34 AM on 06/03/2009
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That's right... and he didn't know on 1/25/07 that he would be walking in to a worse mess than what he anticipated. We need to do what we can to support our president. He's been in office less than 5 months. Perhaps this will get accomplished by the end of his term.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:36 AM on 06/03/2009

NOPE I AM NOT GOING TO BLINDLY SUPPORT THE PRESIDENT. HE NEEDS TO MAKE GOOD ON HIS HEALTH CARE PROMISE.

THIS ISSUE IS MUCH TO IMPORTANT. PROBABLY ONE OF THE MOST IMPORTANT ISSUES THIS COUNTRY FACES CONSIDERING THE AGING POPULATION.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:42 AM on 06/03/2009
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^ - Obamabot

Obamabots, those who defend him, counsel "patience", "give Obama time", are the most immediate problem.

While we are patient, Republicans and conservative Democrats aren't being patient. They're actively in there lobbying for their agenda. Without any pushback from liberals, Obama, whose numbers remain high because of Obamabots, responds with, "My numbers are good, it's only the liberal base that's complaining (and I don't hear them because they're not at the table). And I don't have to worry about that anyway because come 2012, if liberals do leave me, the moderate Republicans who I've served well will."

Like the Bushies, Obamabots aren't well educated or well-versed on the issues. They talk about Obama's "playing chess", or "I just know he's got a plan", (the "double secret", 'Animal House' kind of plan) and other imaginings about Obama's intentions that they couldn't possibly know unless they were Obama. Foolish, but it has to be taken seriously because it's an effective means for interrupting momentum of unrest among the public.

For some Obamabots, it's discomfort when they hear arguments and they want it to stop. Other Obamabots are moles, paid political operatives, DLC operatives (DINO), on the side of corporations. That's our money they're getting paid with, from political contributions to the DNC, going to screw us.

Whichever it is, Obamabots are the immediate problem. Shout them down here, and everywhere else you encounter them online and off.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:14 AM on 06/03/2009
- KQuark I'm a Fan of KQuark 267 fans permalink
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So where's the inconsistency?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:38 AM on 06/03/2009
- Manx I'm a Fan of Manx 18 fans permalink

If you have to ask the question, you wouldn't understand the answer.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:53 AM on 06/03/2009
- KQuark I'm a Fan of KQuark 267 fans permalink
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Obviously the president is pushing for Universal healthcare so your point is moot.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:56 AM on 06/03/2009
- getreal145 I'm a Fan of getreal145 4 fans permalink

This would be a really major sellout of Obama's: I recall the second debate with McCain. Obama promised we, the people (remember us, Dems, the ones who voted you in??) a public health care option, an option "to buy the sae health care plan enjoyed by members of congress." I have been waiting for this plan to get rid of United Health Group, the largest of the worthless pack of profiteering slimeball private insurance companies.

Obama did NOT say he'd provide us that option, "after triggers" had been hit. There was no conditionality. What the hell is leadership if he cannot lead the Dems in congress to provide us a public health insurance OPTION for our hard earned money!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:10 AM on 06/03/2009
- Beachchick I'm a Fan of Beachchick 355 fans permalink
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The President is up against entrenched corruption, big money and a disastrous political media system. We need to fight as hard for health care reform as we fought to get Obama elected.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:26 AM on 06/03/2009
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Great post!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:34 AM on 06/03/2009

NOPE THE PRESIDENT IS FLIP FLOPPING.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:44 AM on 06/03/2009
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If Obama wasn't part of the entrenched corruption, he wouldn't have taken single payer universal health care off the table. He wouldn't have had Max Baucus as the quarterback. Obama wouldn't have declared that there will be no prosecutions of anyone in Bush's administration. He wouldn't have nominated a judge for the Supreme Court who is a wet dream for Republicans (contrary to what they'd like their own base to believe right now), who votes with Republicans 95% of the time and against minorities 80% of the time.

And a hundred other things that I could list, if more space was allotted here.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:30 AM on 06/03/2009
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Obama seeks funding cuts for wave, tidal energy research:

Renewables are just for window dressing (this article discusses dollar sums in the tens of millions). Tidal generators that are hidden from view under water don't serve the purpose of symbolism unlike high profile wind generation. Meanwhile the real money is going to nukes. The agenda is public subsidies for a new generation of nuclear plants including uranium mining and enrichment, and weapons infrastructure.

http://obamboozled.blogspot.com/2009/06/obama-seeks-funding-cuts-for-wave-tidal.html

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:52 AM on 06/03/2009
- KQuark I'm a Fan of KQuark 267 fans permalink
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Your own article even says.

"At the same time the White House sought an 82 percent increase in solar power research funding, a 36 percent increase in wind power funding and a 14 percent increase in geothermal funding, it sought to cut wave and tidal research funding from $40 million to $30 million."

"Energy Department spokesman Tom Welch, however, said the Obama administration is asking for 10 times more for tidal and wave power than the Bush administration did."

But you call it a "cut". It's a "cut" from his proposed increase from an earlier budget. Talk about intellectual dishonesty.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:02 AM on 06/03/2009
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How dare you, of all people, accuse anyone of intellectual dishonesty!

Bush is not the standard against which anyone but diehard Scopes Monkey-loving Republicans measure what we should be doing.

Yes, it's a cut, from what Obama agreed to and got a he// of a lot of mileage out of with environmentalists that signed on to support him.

This is Cheney's nuke program that Obama is embracing.

That's CHANGE we can believe in!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:29 AM on 06/03/2009
- KQuark I'm a Fan of KQuark 267 fans permalink
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What part of 10X don't you understand?

That's real change. Sorry it does not fit your meme.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:40 AM on 06/03/2009
- KQuark I'm a Fan of KQuark 267 fans permalink
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Environmentalists love the 82% increase in solar (from his own budget.)

You are being ridiculous here.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:41 AM on 06/03/2009
- KQuark I'm a Fan of KQuark 267 fans permalink
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So to you a 10X increase is a cut, huh?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:02 AM on 06/03/2009
- adamnb I'm a Fan of adamnb 3 fans permalink

Tidal energy has been on the drawing boards for some twenty years. The problem is, none have been shown to work over time in the hostile environment of the seas.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:33 AM on 06/03/2009
- KQuark I'm a Fan of KQuark 267 fans permalink
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It's also very dangerous to fish.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:39 AM on 06/03/2009

ARE YOU JOKING TIDAL ENERGY WORKS AND IS VIABLE.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:45 AM on 06/03/2009
- Beamreach I'm a Fan of Beamreach 4 fans permalink
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No! (in very, very large font)

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:38 AM on 06/03/2009
- kjstjohn I'm a Fan of kjstjohn 225 fans permalink
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Contact these undecided Democratic Senators to let them know that, at minimum, you want a Medicare-like single-payer health insurance option.

General Contact Information
http://www.senate.gov/general/contact_information/senators_cfm.cfm

Max Baucus MT
http://baucus.senate.gov/contact/emailForm.cfm?subj=issue
Evan Bayh IN
http://bayh.senate.gov/contact/email/
Mark Begich AK
http://begich.senate.gov/contact/contact.cfm
Michael Bennet CO
http://bennet.senate.gov/public/index.cfm?p=TransitionalSiteEmailSenatorBennet
Robert Byrd WV
http://byrd.senate.gov/contacts/
Maria Cantwell WA
http://cantwell.senate.gov/contact/
Thomas Carper DE
http://carper.senate.gov/contact/
Kent Conrad ND
https://conrad.senate.gov/contact/webform.cfm
Byron Dorgan ND
http://dorgan.senate.gov/contact/contact_form.cfm
Dianne Feinstein CA
http://feinstein.senate.gov/public/index.cfm?FuseAction=ContactUs.EmailMe
Kay Hagan NC
http://hagan.senate.gov/?p=contact
Mary Landrieu LA
http://landrieu.senate.gov/contact/index.cfm


Patty Murray WA
http://murray.senate.gov/email/index.cfm
Bill Nelson FL
http://billnelson.senate.gov/contact/email.cfm
Mark Pryor AR
http://pryor.senate.gov/contact/
Harry Reid NV
http://reid.senate.gov/contact/index.cfm
Arlen Specter PA
http://specter.senate.gov/public/index.cfm?FuseAction=Contact.ContactForm
Jon Tester MT
http://tester.senate.gov/Contact/
Mark Udall CO
http://tomudall.senate.gov/contact/contact.cfm
Mark Warner VA
http://warner.senate.gov/public/index.cfm?p=Contact
Ron Wyden OR
http://wyden.senate.gov/contact/

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:33 AM on 06/03/2009
- kjstjohn I'm a Fan of kjstjohn 225 fans permalink
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Here are Independents and moderate Republicans
Joe Lieberman CT
http://lieberman.senate.gov/contact/index.cfm?regarding=issue
Susan Collins ME
http://collins.senate.gov/public/continue.cfm?FuseAction=ContactSenatorCollins.EmailIssue
Olympia Snowe ME
http://snowe.senate.gov/public/index.cfm?FuseAction=ContactSenatorSnowe.Email

Here is the link for finding out where to meet on June 6

http://my.barackobama.com/page/content/hckickoff

Keep these e-mail links going for KQuark and send them to your friends and family.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:35 AM on 06/03/2009
- Beachchick I'm a Fan of Beachchick 355 fans permalink
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Thank you for this list! Please write your Senator. This will be a tough fight, and the Presidents needs our support to win.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:47 AM on 06/03/2009
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Thanks for the info. I find this subject confusing. I just want eveyone to have medical coverage and for it to be portable. And I want it sooner rather than later. Its gonna be expensive no matter what but its already expensive. All of us must get in the streets on this one.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:50 AM on 06/03/2009
- Carolab I'm a Fan of Carolab 386 fans permalink
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No compromises! Did the banks compromise?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:30 AM on 06/03/2009
- KQuark I'm a Fan of KQuark 267 fans permalink
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Absolutely but I don't know what this has to do with the banks.

Contact your congress people.

http://standwithdrdean.com/where_congress_stands

Send free faxes to the finance committee and the white house. They've added a couple since you've seen my last post Carolab.

http://www.1payer.net/action-alerts/send-a-free-efax-to-policymakers.html

Contact the white house. I sent a couple of emails and left a couple of messages today.

http://www.whitehouse.gov/contact/

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:57 AM on 06/03/2009
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I emailed the WH - No point in emailing Murray and Cantwell, they're both corporate owned. Cantwell just put forth two lame proposals for increasing primary care providers, gave a media interview and said NOTHING about public health care. She and Murray have already sold us out on two major issues. I refuse to vote for either of them again.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:30 AM on 06/03/2009
- TrueSense I'm a Fan of TrueSense 11 fans permalink

The CEA numbers are low and underestimates in my opinion.

Could we form are own non for profit plan and ask the government to underwrtie certain aspects and shortages and help with those without enough money ?

A kind of coop.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:25 AM on 06/03/2009
- manlypoint I'm a Fan of manlypoint 2 fans permalink
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Mr. President,

An overwhelming majority of citizens of this nation want single pay health coverage. Let all those concerned about "choice" get extra coverage.

In Korea, where I worked as an expat for 9 years, everybody who works pays in 1.5% of his income and the company matches the same. If you do not have a job, you can still enroll with a minimum contribution. This system covers virtually every last single citizen there and they are covered for most illnesses. Mind you, the coverage is no Rolex but definitely a dependable TIMEX for everyone. In simple arithmatics if Korea can cover everyone for less than 1% of their GDP and we're paying 14%, there can be only two reasons for the difference. One, consumer gouging by the industry and two, over treatment of medical conditions. I'm sure there are other mitigating factors but looked at it overall, this tally probably isn't too far off. So, can we stop protecting the industry and start better informing the public?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:18 AM on 06/03/2009
- KQuark I'm a Fan of KQuark 267 fans permalink
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You are preaching to the choir. Tell the president your story.

http://www.whitehouse.gov/contact/

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:22 AM on 06/03/2009
- unionave I'm a Fan of unionave 61 fans permalink
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The people's representatives is the place where our laws are made and that is where the corporations aim their attention . If you want public health care go to the law makers and make a big noise . Try Sen. Baucus . That is where the real power is . If you can sing louder than the Health Care Corps can then he may hear you . He is caugt in the middle of a rock and a hard place . If he sends a bill to the president for public health care the Insurance giants will campaign against him with plenty money . If he doesn't we WILL vote against him .

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:45 AM on 06/03/2009
- KQuark I'm a Fan of KQuark 267 fans permalink
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I agree that's why I contact congress 2 to 3 times more than the white house, even including my right wing Senators in GA.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:52 AM on 06/03/2009
- kjstjohn I'm a Fan of kjstjohn 225 fans permalink
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I agree.

Have you communicated this to the President?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:22 AM on 06/03/2009

I really don't understand why people don't seem to get it......si­ngle payer is not feasible at this stage. This administration can not revamp the ENTIRE health care system overnight. AND if they tried to put the current health industry out of business we'd see nothing notta! A proposal like that would give the republicans all the amo they need to kill ANY bill related to health care. Offering a public option through the government is the BEST option at this time. Let's crawl before we walk. If a government programs is successful single payer I suspect will happen naturally.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:40 AM on 06/03/2009
- wdw505 I'm a Fan of wdw505 71 fans permalink

it is ammo not "amo"

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:44 AM on 06/03/2009
- roudy I'm a Fan of roudy 31 fans permalink

It pains me to say this, but I believe there is a 99% chance the American citizens will be sold out on health care reform just as we were sold out on the so called credit card reform and bankruptcy reform. And the Democrats will do the selling along with the republican minority.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:17 AM on 06/03/2009
- KQuark I'm a Fan of KQuark 267 fans permalink
    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:21 AM on 06/03/2009
- kjstjohn I'm a Fan of kjstjohn 225 fans permalink
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The President did not ask for our help on those items because he is saving his political capital.

He is asking for our help on healthcare reform because he knows the country's economic future depends on it and he knows there will not be a good outcome if we do not stand up to our own corrupt representatives.

So go to the meeting on June 6 and see what you can do to help.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:21 AM on 06/03/2009

EXACTLY get off the coach and participate. I attended the march in Seattle this weekend, thousands showed up as did 1 of our Senators and 1 congressman they got the message.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:42 AM on 06/03/2009
- Beachchick I'm a Fan of Beachchick 355 fans permalink
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Indeed! Everyone needs to fight for this. The President can't do it without the American people.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:04 AM on 06/03/2009
- kjstjohn I'm a Fan of kjstjohn 225 fans permalink
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To find out where the June 6 meetings are, go to:

http://my.barackobama.com/page/content/hckickoff

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:27 AM on 06/03/2009
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Thank you for this!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:37 AM on 06/03/2009

Agreed and I am furious about it.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:28 AM on 06/03/2009
- KQuark I'm a Fan of KQuark 267 fans permalink
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wdw505 if ProfitCare is so great why can't it just compete with public healthcare insurances?

Don't you trolls love competition?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:15 AM on 06/03/2009
- wdw505 I'm a Fan of wdw505 71 fans permalink

free and fair competitio­n........t­he government can not run anything well so they will keep increasing the tax to offset the competitio­n.........­that is not competition it is tax subsidies

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:39 AM on 06/03/2009
- KQuark I'm a Fan of KQuark 267 fans permalink
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Taxes have gone down under the president.

Healthcare insurance has doubled in 15 years under ProfitCare far outpacing inflation.

If I call it a tax will you be for healthcare reform?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:14 AM on 06/03/2009

Nice ideology spouting. blah blah blah.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:39 AM on 06/03/2009
- Beachchick I'm a Fan of Beachchick 355 fans permalink
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The government already subsidizes employer based private health insurance with tax breaks. Without government tax subsidies, employers couldn't afford to offer health care to their employees. The American people subsidize a for profit industry that charges outrageous premiums and denies health care so CEOs get obscenely rich.

The government also provides health coverage to veterans, the impoverished, the elderly, and low income children. The health care industry would collapse without government subsidies. It's time to pay for health care that serves people instead of shareholders.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:45 AM on 06/03/2009
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Hmmm...see­ms to me that government, when it's not being downsized by the GOP, has run some things pretty well. Let's see, the CDC, OSHA, DOL, FDA, CPA, FEMA, the military, DOT, etc. were all well run until about 8 years ago, when the cronies took over and their budgets were cut to shreds. Now we have e-coli and salmonella outbreaks, and, of course, we all saw what "heck of a job" Brownie did with FEMA. Government works when it's properly funded and cronies who hate government aren't in charge. The insurance industry is scared sh it less they will lose billions of dollars -- it's ALWAYS, ALWAYS, all about the money, honey. Big business has fought any government oversight or government plan that might step on their bottom line since they became business owners and we became their (slave) workers. If we didn't have government oversight and regulation, we'd still be working 16 hour days with no rights whatsoever. There would be no safety laws, nor anything else. You're argument is a GOP talking point with no merit whatsoever.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:49 AM on 06/03/2009
- serena1313 I'm a Fan of serena1313 47 fans permalink

Not so fast folks. A study by the President's Council of Economic Advisers makes a strong case for reforming the health care system just on the sheer economics of it.

".... we will need reforms that emphasize quality over quantity, patient involvement, and reward prevention and wellness. The evidence suggests that up to 30 percent of health care costs, or about 5 percent of GDP, could be saved without compromising health outcomes in the United States.

"The bottom line of the CEA report is that doing health care reform right is incredibly important. If we can put in place reforms that slow cost growth significantly and expand coverage, the benefits to American families, firms, and government budgets would be enormous. To put it simply, good health care reform is good economic policy."

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ynews/20090602/ts_ynews/ynews_ts346

I think that will go a long way toward influencing policy makers to make the right decisions.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:12 AM on 06/03/2009
- fcsakes I'm a Fan of fcsakes 84 fans permalink
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wow, I just finish defending Obama on the health plan and I get out of there and see the word "trigger," and I know what that means. What it means, if we buy into it, is big pharma, all those insurance companies, hospitals, doctors, and the republicans have won, because they will put off meaningful health care reform until the end of time. Trigger is NO GO, trigger is NOT an option. I live a long way from D.C. but I will stuff my pets in the car and be on their doorstep pounding on the door.

No trigger. No for-profit health care corporate bunnies. Single payer, put it on the table and start something meaningful. This entire discussion is being run by the very people who caused the problem - they are protecting their rice bowl, protecting their "right" to decide who lives and who dies, protecting their "right" to make decisions that only you and your doctor should be making about your health. Get them out of the process before it is too late.

No trigger, no excuses, no putting off what is long overdue, no "moderate" democrats, no crap-slinging republicans and get the lobbyists off our backs.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:11 AM on 06/03/2009
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It's a trial balloon not a finished plan. It first came up in congress over a week ago.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:16 AM on 06/03/2009
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KQuark... I saw you post this or something like it earlier. I think it's good to remind folks of this. Too many people are impatient and are upset... health care reform of any type takes time.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:22 AM on 06/03/2009
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