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Poll: Half Of Americans Think Torture Sometimes Justified

LIZ SIDOTI   06/ 3/09 07:01 PM ET   AP

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WASHINGTON — Just over half of Americans say torture is justified in some cases to thwart terrorist attacks, and the country is evenly divided over whether to close the Guantanamo Bay prison, according to a poll that underscores President Barack Obama's challenges in selling his terror-fighting policies.

Even so, the latest Associated Press-GfK survey also shows that Obama enjoys broad confidence that he can effectively handle terrorism in an era when many people say they still fear becoming a victim and when a swath of the public shares the views of Obama's Republican predecessor, George W. Bush.

At the same time, Obama hasn't lost support _ he has a strong 64 percent job-approval rating _ and nearly half of Americans still think the country's headed in the right direction. That's despite bipartisan rebukes of the new president's ordered closure of the detention center in Cuba and former Vice President Dick Cheney's sustained criticism of Obama's approach to terrorism.

The issues emerged in the poll as intensely partisan, with viewpoints largely split along ideological lines.

"To uphold the integrity of our Constitution for ourselves and for the world, it is important" that the U.S. close the Guantanamo prison, said Diana Jones, 68, a Democrat from Timonium, Md., who has faith in Obama's terror-fighting abilities. Countered Steve Marsh, 50, a Republican from Guntersville, Ala., who doesn't think Obama is strong enough on terrorism: "I'd just rather see them there than see them here on our soil."

Such issues have dominated Obama's agenda in recent weeks as he has wrestled with the fallout of Bush-era policies and the legal questions surrounding them, while trying to fend off criticism from friends and foes alike.

Obama ordered the Bush-created prison closed by early 2010 and emphatically stated "we don't torture" just days after taking office.

Since then, the Democratic-controlled Senate demanded more details of Obama's plan as lawmakers voted 90-6 to refuse to give him $80 million he requested to shutter the prison, which has held hundreds of detainees for years without charges or trials. Republicans also spoke vigorously against the notion that dangerous terrorism suspects could end up confined on U.S. soil. And foreign allies balked at accepting the transfer of prisoners from the Navy-run facility when the United States didn't appear willing to do the same.

All that prompted Obama to deliver a speech in which he insisted that U.S. maximum-security prisons can safely house the prisoners and argued anew that closing Guantanamo could make the U.S. safer because the facility would no longer motivate enemies overseas. In his second term, Bush said he would like to close Guantanamo.

Obama risks further defeat of his policies in Congress and disapproval of them abroad if he can't get the public on board. Thus, he's making a tough sell.

The AP-GfK poll shows most Americans have faith in him, with 70 percent saying they are confident of Obama's ability to address terrorism. Nearly all Democrats, two-thirds of independents and just over a third of Republicans express confidence.

Nearly eight years after terrorists struck on U.S. soil, more than a third of Americans say they worry about the chance that they or their relatives might fall victim to a terrorist attack _ essentially unchanged from 35 percent five years ago.

The poll also shows potential areas of political vulnerability for Obama, indicating he must walk a fine line as he seeks to both protect the country and turn the page on Bush's national security policies.

Some 52 percent of people say torture can be at least sometimes justified to obtain information about terrorist activities from suspects, an increase from 38 percent in 2005 when the AP last asked the question. More than two-thirds of Republicans say torture can be justified compared with just over a third of Democrats.

"Sometimes you got to do what you got to do," said Jean Kraft, 69, a Democrat from Pompano Beach, Fla. Still, she added: "I truly don't think we should" torture.

Others were more pointed.

"I don't agree with torture, period," said Karl Holt, 65, a Democrat from Amherst, N.Y.

On Obama's plan to close Guantanamo, 47 percent approve, while 47 percent disapprove. Most Republicans disapprove, while most Democrats approve. Independents are evenly divided.

Leann Wills, 35, a Republican from Muleshoe, Texas, is among those who oppose closure, saying: "You know the old saying, if it's not broke, don't fix it. So why should we close if it's been working for us all of these years?"

But Michelle Knutson, 40, a Democrat from Hillsboro, Ore., argues that the indefinite detention of prisoners at Guantanamo undercuts U.S. ideals, saying: "This is not a police state, it's democracy."

Despite the president's safety assurances, more than half of Americans say they would be worried about the chance of terrorism suspects escaping from U.S. high-security prisons. Yet again, more Republicans express concern than Democrats. Still, the figures indicate that the GOP-fueled fear may be resonating.

Leading the charge by Republicans against Obama's policies is Cheney. The poll shows nearly a quarter had a favorable opinion of the former vice president, a measure that's risen steadily from a low of 13 percent in one 2007 poll.

The poll also found one bright spot for the out-of-power GOP: More people identified themselves as Republican than did last month, 23 percent to 18 percent.

The AP-GfK Poll was conducted May 28 to June 1 by GfK Roper Public Affairs & Media. It involved landline and cell phone interviews with 1,000 adults nationwide and has a margin of sampling error of plus or minus 3.1 percentage points.

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Associated Press writers Christine Simmons and Natasha Metzler, AP Polling Director Trevor Tompson and News Survey Specialist Dennis Junius contributed to this report.

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The questions and results for this poll are available at http://www.ap-gfkpoll.com

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RTIII
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11:39 AM on 06/04/2009
_IF_ true, it just proves that half of us are idiots, just like we all thought. The only question is: which half?!

I'll let each of you decide that for yourselves.
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Emerald1943
08:18 PM on 06/03/2009
While the mainstream media focused almost entirely on "waterboarding", they failed to mention the rest of the story. I wonder if these "righteous" Americans who approve of torture really have any clue as to what their government has been doing.

Torture deaths of detainees in our military prisons, rape and torture of children in front of their mothers at Abu Ghraib....this is what the MSM has NOT reported. We would have no knowledge of these things at all without the blogs and Google.

Perhaps the next poll should ask these same people a different question such as, "Do you approve the use of rape and torture of children to gain information?" "Do you approve the beating deaths of prisoners chained to the ceiling in our prisons?" I would bet some big money that the poll would turn out differently!

WHERE IS OUR "FREE PRESS"????
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LeftRight
TANSTAAFL
10:14 AM on 06/04/2009
Being bought and paid for by the rightwingnutjobs that run all our major media nowadays....
03:25 PM on 06/03/2009
there's no shortage of morons....
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03:10 PM on 06/03/2009
Well this should tell us all were any torture prosecutions are going to go, hung jury, and I don't mean well endowed.
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breakingpoint
War is a Racket - Smedley Butler
02:54 PM on 06/03/2009
How about a poll on Bush/Cheney committing torture AFTER the information had been given.

Sorta like an episiotomy after the birth.

Think the American People would have approved of that?
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justmeinAz
02:08 PM on 06/03/2009
Just looked at the poll, and the methodology looks pretty solid to me. They've controlled for political party, religiosity, age, level of education, and geographic region of the country. I didn't get too into the fine print, so someone else might see more, but for what it is, I'd say it's pretty solid. Here's the link if anyone wants.

http://www.ap-gfkpoll.com/pdf/AP-GfK_Poll_Supreme_Court_Final_Topline.pdf
02:15 PM on 06/03/2009
However, it has NOTHING to do with the poll being discussed. Where is there data on the AP-GfK poll claming "half of America" supports torture?
02:18 PM on 06/03/2009
Thank you I stand corrected. I needed to scan the PDF file to find it.

thx
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01:57 PM on 06/03/2009
If true, we just handed Al-Qaeda a recruiting tool, half of Americans are sadists and don't care about the rule of law. Remind me, United States of what exactly? Bush and Count Dickula ches up and throw gasoline on the Constitution and these 50%'ers, their little helpers, keep lighting matches.
02:39 PM on 06/03/2009
Welcome to earth.
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BlackWidowPilot
"Fu! Rin! Ka! Zan!"
08:09 PM on 06/03/2009
Well, then it means its up to the rest of us who make up We The People to set the record straight...

Leland R. Erickson

Citizen
01:48 PM on 06/03/2009
I I posted earlier and will so again. There is NO record of an AP-GfK poll on this topic! The most recent poll found is below...unless someone can provide a link or a good source for the "half of Americans" support torture, we have all been hosed!!

Latest AP-GfK Poll

June 2nd: Politics and Economy Poll
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justmeinAz
02:15 PM on 06/03/2009
However, it has NOTHING to do with the poll being discussed. Where is there data on the AP-GfK poll claming "half of America" supports torture?
02:19 PM on 06/03/2009
Thank you I stand corrected. I needed to scan the PDF file to find it.

thx
01:47 PM on 06/03/2009
How about this - the next Poll you ask for the names of the people and inform them.

"Thankyou for your answers, your response is now on a database, if you should every be arrested or suspected of a crime your agreement that torture can at times be legitamate will be taken into view whilst you are being questioned. Thankyou for your participation"

See how they feel after the brains roll that around over a few days before thinking - hmmm maybe I should have kept my mouth shut.
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01:43 PM on 06/03/2009
Idiots, we just handed Al-Qaeda a recruiting tool. Half of Americans are sadists and don't care about the rule of law. Remind me, United States of what exactly? Bush chews on and throws gasoline on the Constitution and these 50%'ers keep lighting matches.
01:42 PM on 06/03/2009
TORTURE -- Only for the lower class

The rich ruling class never are never tortured, and intelligent middleclass very seldom if ever gets tortured.

For torture is a tool of class slavery, as all of law enforcement is of the stuck-up intelligent middleclass and they spend 95% of their time policing laboring men. Result being that 95% of prisoners in jails, prisons and insane asylims are laboring men, us slow thinkers who have not the intelligence to gain 12 years of formal education.

Surely if above survey was performed in a rich suberb 100% would favor torture, but if done in a slumb 0% would favor torture.
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SouthPrairie
It's about WE, not me.
01:54 PM on 06/03/2009
Not so. There are many who have been taught, due to the injustices of our social casts and hegemony, to be insensitive and inhumane. In addition, the corporate industries have effectively incorporated inhumane activities into the recreation of our youth, via games, movies, music, and other recreational activities.
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koyak23
01:41 PM on 06/03/2009
According to a recent Pew poll :

49% of all Americans favor torture at least some of the time
62% of white evangelical protestants favor torture at least some of the time
54% of those who attend religious services at least weekly favor torture at least some of the time
42% of those who seldom attend religious services favor torture at least some of the time

My guess is that < 40% of atheists favor torture under any circumstances

Religion and atrocities go together like a horse and carriage.
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BlackWidowPilot
"Fu! Rin! Ka! Zan!"
08:13 PM on 06/03/2009
Really? Are you forgetting your history of the officially atheist regimes of Stalin, Mao, ad nauseum?

Religiosity is the favorite tool of the scoundrel, as surely as patriotism is the scoundrel's last refuge.

Christian is as Christian does, and a true Christian would *never* advocate, condone, excuse, enable, or perpetrate torture. Anyone IMHO who asserts they follow the teachings of Christ yet advocates torture needs to be asked in all sincerity, "Who indeed would Jesus torture?"

Hypocrites are another matter, however...

Leland R. Erickson

Citizen

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levibatgirl
the tparty is down the turlet
01:37 PM on 06/03/2009
Playing off emotions left over from 9/11 is not very grown up nor is it being patriotic. Especially knowing that we were lied to repeatedly and everything surrounding our reaction to 9/11 under W/cheeny was one incompetent disaster after another.

Half he population continues to be willfully uninformed.
01:32 PM on 06/03/2009
You mean 100% of our country don't believe in appeasing terrorists? What a shock.
01:29 PM on 06/03/2009
Readers should start using that grey matter between their ears when they interpret polling data, rather than allow themselves to be pulled in by the inflammatory headline(s) . . . or by the first few paragraphs of an article.
One has to read the entire article before AP reports the statistics that it used to support its conclusions. Only 1000 readers in a country of 300 million were polled: no explanation as to the neutrality of the polling company, or how it chose it demographics to "randomly" poll.
It is arbitrary & unscientific to conclude that a "majority" of Americans support torture in certain cases. Who are these 500+ people? Why should their opinions matter? Yet, many are easily led to believe the conclusions in surveys like these without ever questioning their foundations.
Fellow Americans: if you want to salvage our country from its ongoing political, socioeconomic, and moral decline, then, CHALLENGE, AT EVERY OPPORTUNITY, the corporate media that are increasingly exerting their control over how you view reality by projecting their agenda through selective marketing and branding tactics on your thought processes at every available opportunity. .
Why accept this article's conclusions as fact? Call out those in power by denying them any credibility or control over the outcome of unfolding events in our country. Otherwise, America will continue to morph into a vastly different political entity from that which its Founding Fathers envisioned.
01:32 PM on 06/03/2009
Thanks
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justmeinAz
01:35 PM on 06/03/2009
Having taken statistics in college, I can tell you that 1000 is an adequate sample size, provided they were able to achieve actual randomness in picking their participants. The proof of that is mathematical, so I don't know how I could present it here, but I bet if you googled "adequate sample size" or something like that, you could find it explained.
01:38 PM on 06/03/2009
Since you "have taken statistics" you will also concur that the average human has .97 vagina's, is that not statistically correct?
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Emerald1943
08:08 PM on 06/03/2009
If it's 1000 white people in Mississippi, it is not an "adequate" sample!!