Sotomayor's Defense Of White Racist Speech Looms Large In Confirmation Battle

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Of the thousands of cases decided by Judge Sonia Sotomayor, the one that could have the most influence on her confirmation for the Supreme Court involves the defense of New York City Police Department employee who was fired for distributing bigoted and racist material.

Sotomayor's opinion in the 2002 case of Pappas v. Giuliani does not seem like a judicial cause célèbre for progressives. But in the days since she was named Obama Supreme Court nominee, it has emerged as an effective counterweight to charges that she is a judicial activist bent on helping minorities like herself.

Those intimately involved in the case say that Sotomayor's dissent -- in which she defended the First Amendment rights of a employee who had distributed white supremacist material -- shows a type of jurisprudence diametrically at odds with the caricature painted by her conservative critics.

"It showed that she is not knee jerk when it comes to dealing with racial issues," said Chris Dunn, an attorney for the New York Civil Liberties Union who argued the defense. "That was the case in which she took the side of a person obviously engaging in racist conduct and recognized the important First Amendment interest that was represented. She respected that interest and stuck to it."

Thomas Pappas had worked in the New York City Police Department since January, 1982, primarily in the Management Information Systems Division. In August 1999, he was fired by then commissioner Howard Safir after it was discovered that he had mailed more than 200 pieces of racially insensitive and anti-Semitic material from his home to various political groups who had been soliciting him for donations. Among the more than 200 or so pieces of literature Pappas had sent out were pamphlets from the National Association for the Advancement of White People.

A member and chairman of the Populist Party of the Town of North Hempstead, whose platform included repealing the federal income tax and abolishing the IRS, Pappas sued Safir and New York City's Mayor Rudy Giuliani on grounds that they had violated his First Amendment rights. In October 2000, U.S. District Court Judge Naomi Reice Buchwald ruled that the NYPD had operated within the rule of law.

The case was appealed and in 2002 it found its way to the Second Circuit Court of Appeals. The three-judge panel, which included Sotomayor, considered two main components of the case: Whether Pappas's "speech" was of public concern and whether it had "interfered with" the NYPD's activities. Two of the three judges upheld the district court decision that it didn't matter that Pappas had sent these mailings anonymously from his private home. "Although Pappas tried to conceal his identity as speaker," they ruled, "he took the risk that the effort would fail."

While finding the speech "offensive, hateful and insulting," Sotomayor dissented. Her basis was the precedent established by Rankin v. McPherson, in which the Supreme Court held that a public employee in Texas who cheered the assassination attempt on Ronald Reagan in a conversation with a fellow worker had not interfered with the office's operations, because her job did not require public contact. But Sotomayor also did not shy away from the constitutional implications of the Pappas case.

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"I of course do not dispute the majority's premise that a public employee's free speech interest is often subordinated to the effective functioning of a government employer," Sotomayor's dissent read. "I also agree that it is appropriate to consider the agency's mission in relation to the nature of the speech, and I appreciate the enormous importance of race relations to the operation of the NYPD. These facts alone, however, do not support the constitutionality of the NYPD's termination of Pappas. The well-established case law of the Supreme Court and this Court requires a more searching inquiry."

Seven years later, that opinion and those words in particular have struck observers as uniquely important aspects of Sotomayor's lengthy record. The political implications are obvious: A Latina judge accused of being a "reverse-racist" took the side of the white supremacist police officer at a time when the NYPD was widely resented and distrusted by New York's minority communities.

"Certainly during the Giuliani administration there were many instances where police officers engaged in racially insensitive conduct, at best, while on duty," said Dunn. "And so the easy thing for someone to do would be to say, 'let's fire someone for engaging in racially insensitive activity.' That would have been the easy out. It was certainly what people traditionally viewed as progressives were calling for. But she didn't accept that. She said that even though what this guy did may be racist, I will uphold his constitutional rights. And that is a position of principle."

Observers say Sotomayor's dissent also offers a vivid indication into what type of kind of judicial philosophy she will bring to the bench.

"What I found after looking at some of her statements is someone who I think takes the First Amendment extremely seriously," said Maria Blanco, Executive Director for the Chief Justice Earl Warren Institute at University of California, Berkeley. "She went with the facts. But what you see is she that she also put an extremely heavy burden of proof on a defendant who is trying to abridge privacy or First Amendment protections. That has not been the case with the Supreme Court in the past, though we have had some famous pro-First Amendment judges."

"I actually think that on these issues she may end up being a [Justice William] Brennan type," Blanco added. "That is just my instinct as a lawyer who has done constitutional law for many years."

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Of the thousands of cases decided by Judge Sonia Sotomayor, the one that could have the most influence on her confirmation for the Supreme Court involves the defense of New York City Police Department...
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Most people here keep talking about how he is a racist. Which he obviously is. His views are ignorant and wrong and for that reason alone they will eventually fade from our society. In my opinion freedom of speech is the most valuable liberty we have. You can not and should not vote based on disagreeing with his views. You need to vote on his right to have them. The principals of freedom of speech need to be protected not for instances like this but for when they really matter. A friend of mine was fired from his job after he spoke out against the Iraq war during those wonderful " you are either with us or against us times" we just got out of. Yet now a few years later it is a view shared by most Americans.People need to remember that as Americans it our duty to share and support good ideas just as it is our duty to let our fellow Americans have their bad ones. Time and common sense have a way of choosing which ones prevail

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:50 PM on 06/03/2009
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Once again, Bob Herbert tells it like it is:

http://www.nytimes.com/2009/06/02/opinion/02herbert.html?em

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:42 PM on 06/03/2009
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right on.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:59 PM on 06/03/2009
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Love Bob.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:08 PM on 06/03/2009
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Thank you. Had missed this. Herbert's always on the mark..

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:32 PM on 06/03/2009
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The so far left of center mark that he missed the wall the target was on?

That mark?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:50 PM on 06/03/2009
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Herbert seldom disappoints, I rarely miss his column.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:39 PM on 06/03/2009
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Somebody call child protective services. Bob took the self righteous infantile racist to the wood shed and delivered a open handed slap.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:38 PM on 06/03/2009
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"A Latina judge accused of being a "reverse-racist" took the side of the white supremacist police officer..."

Did she take sides or did she just do her job?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:37 PM on 06/03/2009
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Do we know where she stands on women's reproductive rights?

All this 'racist' noise seems to have drowned out where she stands on the important issues.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:28 PM on 06/03/2009
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The all-important question. I wish we had something substantial to give us an idea of where she is on this issue.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:34 PM on 06/03/2009
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A Democratic woman from the Bronx? Don't think there should any problem there.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:44 PM on 06/03/2009

agreed

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:55 PM on 06/03/2009
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what? given that she's hispanic/catholic, she's more likely to be on the pro-life side.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:39 PM on 06/03/2009

It was still a racist comment. It was a comment about race. That her being a Hispanic woman would get the job done where being a Caucasian Man wouldn't get the job done, or done as well. All about race, race being better = racist. No one has denied this. The white men are just too afraid to loose Hispanic votes. Morals and integrity all around, three cheers!

Women have the right to reproduce and to terminate there unborn child. Can't change that, sorry people. What we do need is infant rights! Scott Peterson... Conner was found before Lacie. Conner was almost to term. Conner could have survived outside of the womb if he wasn't killed after being cut out in a horrific home abortion. Conner never saw his day in court. Conner had no rights as a human. Scott should have gotten the death penalty under state law for a double homicide. Scott was lucky, Conner was not. Scott thanks us for his life, Conner...

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:47 PM on 06/03/2009
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Do we know where the other 8 stand?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:54 PM on 06/03/2009
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We? Is this groupthink?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:01 PM on 06/03/2009

It was a racist statement. No one has defended this statement as not racist, not really...

"I would hope a wise Latina woman with the richness of her experiences would more often than not reach a better conclusion than a white male who hasn't lived that life."
Supreme Court Justice Sonia Sotomayor

This is in response to a question asked of the first female Supreme Court Justice about being such...

"It really doesn't come down to how I feel about (a case) as a woman...At the end of the day, a wise old woman and a wise old man are going to reach the same decision."
Supreme Court Justice Sandra Day O'Connor

All about race. She implied that her race was "richer" than others. That is a racist statement, is it not? Not saying she is racist, but her statement was... and in response to an elegant answer to a new and touchy subject that had nothing to do with race. Not a very elegant response to her new and touchy subject.

Could you imagine if Obama had made such a statement about coming from a richer heritage than old white men because he is black? We all feel strongly about ourselves and where we come from, but tolerance should prevail... especially from a Supreme Court Justice.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:24 PM on 06/03/2009
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Think Progress's Ian Millhiser left Pat Buchanan fumbling for something today and then he went into his giggle (*tell*) because he couldn't counter.

http://thinkprogress.org/2009/06/03/buchanan-v-millhiser/

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:19 PM on 06/03/2009
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s/b "...something to *say* not 'something today'.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:20 PM on 06/03/2009
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Seems to me her position to support the right of racist talk does nothing assure us that she doesn't have similar views about her own race.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:11 PM on 06/03/2009
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Indeed.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:17 PM on 06/03/2009

I appreciated the link , unfortunately citing from it gets my comments scrubbed

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:27 PM on 06/03/2009
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it doesnt, nor should it matter. its called freedom of speech and she's just as protected as you and i to make racist even hateful remarks, a decision upheld by the very court she is being appointed to.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:34 PM on 06/03/2009

the fired cop is free to continue his racist propaganda, but not while employed as a dogcatcher for North Hempstead

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:42 PM on 06/03/2009

The fired cop is free to continue his r4cist propaganda, as leader of The Populist Party for the Town of North Hempstead

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:54 PM on 06/03/2009
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Thank you, thank you, thank you for the only rational response in this little thread.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:55 PM on 06/03/2009
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Your giant leap of logic, even if accurate, is immaterial. It would mean only that she would join the ranks of thousands of white males who have served in judicial positions across the country for many years while holding racist and sexist personal views. I find it extremely odd that conservatives are demanding of this woman a purity of attitude that has never been demanded of judicial candidates of Caucasian persuasion.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:46 PM on 06/03/2009
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Are you saying she's going to lead the Puerto Rican-American overthrow of the country? Otherwise, your comment makes absolutely no sense unless seen as r@cist.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:46 PM on 06/03/2009

ROFLOL... you must do that a lot... just whipped that one right around with not a shred of logic to it.. It's ok, there not here for our land.

http://www.absolute-mexico.com/

LOL... this topic just tickles the funny bone... kinda like Wild Wild West. "I am Loveless!"

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:51 PM on 06/03/2009
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Freedom of speech. Take that away from him and you do not have the right to prove him wrong or pass your own BS material. Bottomline line this had to do with FIRING THE GUY. We already live in a society where if a guy passes by a woman with big hips and he accidentally brushes her unintentionally she can have your fired the next day! This is about the job taking proper steps and not suddenly terminating people.

What a bunch of ignorant fools.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:57 PM on 06/03/2009

I thought...

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:06 PM on 06/03/2009
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First mistake.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:03 PM on 06/03/2009
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"National Association for the Advancement of White People" now thats a misnomer if I ever heard one!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:06 PM on 06/03/2009
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Old White Man's Burden!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:01 PM on 06/03/2009
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Raci$t! This is why these org. exist!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:48 PM on 06/03/2009
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Otherwise known as "America."

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:45 PM on 06/03/2009
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Thanks, Mr Stein! Your keyboard is much louder than mine.

I've been posting this link to Pappas v. Giuliani here, pointing out the dissenting opinion of Judge Sotomayor and how the wingers would have a hard time making their claims against her sound even remotely reasonable because of it, since Monday. Hardly anyone seemed interested though.

http://openjurist.org/290/f3d/143/pappas-v-giuliani

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:03 PM on 06/03/2009
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Every time I post a similar link, I get a similar reaction!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:06 PM on 06/03/2009
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I have to say that I am becoming just a little bit disillusioned with my fellow HuffPosters.

Last week I posted a couple of links using winger words, naturally from winger sites, as an example of why wingers were wrong about this subject or that. And the posters that responded obviously didn't read what I wrote and instead started calling me silly names because of the sites that I linked to (WashTimes and WND, I think), as if I didn't know their reputations beforehand. Maybe they misinterpreted the screen name, I don't know?

Okay... I'm done whining and over it. Thanks.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:48 PM on 06/03/2009
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Why did the guy mail out all that material anonymously? Why not put his name on it?
Because he knew he was doing something wrong.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:03 PM on 06/03/2009
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Because he's a wussy?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:09 PM on 06/03/2009
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Yep. He knew that random organizations might be offended, and he knew that if it became known he was a cop, it would blight the NYPD.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:16 PM on 06/03/2009

Maybe he was affraid of peer retaliation? We still do have an bit of Freedom of Speech left, I think.

"There is tonic in the things that men do not love to hear; and there is damnation in the things that wicked men love to hear. Free speech is to a great people what winds are to oceans and malarial regions, which waft away the elements of disease, and bring new elements of health. And where free speech is stopped miasma is bred, and death comes fast."
Henry Ward Beecher

"A people which is able to say everything becomes able to do everything."
Napoleon Bonaparte

"And I honor the man who is willing to sink half his present repute for the freedom to think, and, when he has thought, be his cause strong or weak, will risk the other half for the freedom to speak."
James Russell Lowell

"Free speech is about as good as cause as the world has ever known. But, like the poor, it is always with us and gets shoved aside in favour of things which seem at some given moment more vital."
Heywood Broun

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:25 PM on 06/03/2009
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What I don't get about her 2nd Amendment ruling is she says the SC ruling only applies to federal land, such as DC. According to that theory, then all of the amendments and Bill of Rights would also not extend to the States.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:55 PM on 06/03/2009

Shaking My Head, please go and read the Constitution and the Bill of Rights before posting silliness.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:31 PM on 06/03/2009
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Thank you.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:47 PM on 06/03/2009

Do you ever stop to think that arrogance like that from liberals like you is what keeps many people from coming over to our side?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:56 PM on 06/03/2009

I do think that Sotomayor may be a little slanted in her judicial views, but the reason I personally don't like this choice is because I don't think she's going to change anything. I was hoping Obama would pick someone who would shake the High Court up a little bit, and Sotomayor is a big disappointment, to put it lightly.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:52 PM on 06/03/2009

The supreme court in no way should shake anything up. Their job is to is to rule on the principals and laws of this country regardless of any outside influence. To put it simply their job is to make sure justice is served and liberties are protected. And honestly some truth and justice in my opion would be a big shake up compared to the way things have been going for a long time now.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:23 PM on 06/03/2009

lol, I agree completely with what you are saying....If only there were more people that understood this, on both sides of the political spectrum. However, by "shake up" I didn't necessarily mean a rash of activism from the SCOTUS. What I wanted to see was someone coming in from outside of the judiciary, I personally think that there are many people who are not sitting appallate judges that could bring not neccessarily more, but a different perspective than Sotomayor, who has much the same background as the rest of the justices. Why such a homogenous group?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:54 PM on 06/03/2009
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The court always votes 5/4 on most issues. No one can persuade Alito, Roberts, Scalia, Thomas.
I dont care who it is. May be kennedy can be persuaded but thats a long shot.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:28 PM on 06/03/2009
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The rethugs would be well served not to fight her. She is not an extreme liberal. Obama could have picked an extreme liberal. This is not the fight for rethugs. Soto appears to be pragmatic in her rulings.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:51 PM on 06/03/2009
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Extreme liberal? She is not even a liberal. Can you say 'centrist'(?), because that's what Judge Sotomayor is. A centrist.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:55 PM on 06/03/2009

I think you're just hell-bent on dismissing this woman's abilities of jurisprudence and legal, intellectual depth. It kills you to admit how she is more than qualified for this post to the highest Court in our land. Thank god we are finally beginning to slug our way out of the dark ages in this country after eight years theocratic erosion of the people's constitutional rights.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:50 PM on 06/03/2009

I understand her logic, but I disagree with her conclusion. I think that racists -- all of them -- have a personality disorder and it is irresponsible to give guns to someone with a personality disorder and then place them in a position of authority over an unsuspecting culturally diverse public. If the guy had been an accountant for the public works division, I'd go with Sotomayor's analysis. But a police officer is charged with serving and protecting ALL of the people. How can he be trusted to do that when he demonstrates that he is consumed with hatred toward segments of the population?

The citizens of NYC deserve better and it was entirely appropriate to dismiss that officer. I'm glad that Sotomayor's analysis did not prevail.

This does make me question her judgment; but I still support this historic appointment.

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The article does NOT say he was a police officer, just that he worked for the police department as an employee. He worked in the Management Information Systems division; he was not a cop on the beat. Sounds like a tech guy to me.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:51 PM on 06/03/2009
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Why don't you do a little more effort and find out whether HP's giving you all the facts?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:55 PM on 06/03/2009
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Pappas might have been classified as an "officer," but in fact he did not work in a visible position and could not have been deemed to represent NYPD policy or opinions.

Most people would understand that Pappas is an idiot who doesn't speak for his employer. No matter who you are, you will find people in your workplace with whom you disagree or think are stupid--just as they do you.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:01 PM on 06/03/2009

As i do not agree with the mans views at all. The law states that you can not be fired unless his views interfered with his work in some way. They were not able to find any instance of that occurring and I guarantee you they looked.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:27 PM on 06/03/2009

here, here. well stated.

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