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Debt Collector Harassment: Coming To A Library Near You (VIDEO)

First Posted: 07/06/09 06:12 AM ET Updated: 05/25/11 02:25 PM ET

Since last November, the Tompkins County Public Library in Ithaca, N.Y. has received a "cease and desist" order from an attorney general or a lawyer in some faraway state every few days. All the letters said basically same thing: Stop your harassment.

"It just became overwhelming," library director Janet Steiner told the Huffington Post. "I have no idea why they chose us."

Apparently a debt collector had been giving the library's address to people from whom it was aggressively trying to recover debt, and those people were handing the address over to their lawyers and local prosecutors.

Call legal threats to your local library a peculiar byproduct of the nationwide economic crisis and a burgeoning debt collection industry. In 2005, debt collectors recovered $51.4 billion nationwide. Two years later, that figure reached $57.9 billion, according to a study by PricewaterhouseCoopers for ACA International, a trade group for the debt industry.

"The story in the industry is that there's more and more debt available. The problem is, it's harder and harder to collect," said ACA spokesman John Nemo in an interview with the Huffington Post.

As collectors work harder and harder to recover debt from strapped consumers, some get creative, like Sunrise Credit Services, a company that trains employees how best to persuade people -- within the limits of the law -- to pay their debts to their clients.

But not all collectors are members of a reputable trade group: Some are just bullies. Debt collectors that break the law make a brisk business for lawyers who sue them.

"We're busier than we've ever been," said Brian Parker, a Michigan attorney with a practice suing debt collectors. Parker told the Huffington Post that since he started his practice in 2005, he's added about 50 more cases every year. This year, he said, "is going to be a banner year."

The fastest growing part of the debt industry is in debt purchasing -- buying portfolios of bad debt outright, typically for five cents on the dollar or less, and trying to collect it for keeps, as opposed to recovering it for a creditor. Collectors recovered $6 billion in purchased debt in 2007, up from $2.3 billion in 2005. Ninety percent of the debt that collectors buy is in the form of charge-offs -- debt that credit card issuers don't think their customers will ever pay back. Charge-off rates hit a 20-year peak in April.

Richard Rubin is an attorney in New Mexico who is an expert on the Fair Debt Collection Practices Act.

"This whole idea of these credit card companies selling large portfolios of charged-off debt for a few pennies on the dollar and then putting these papers into the stream of commerce with people's names and social security numbers on them and the amount allegedly owed, and that's where most of the problems come in," Rubin told the Huffington Post. "They sell these accounts to these bottom feeders, and they get confused about who it is they're trying to go after. It's very easy to go after the wrong person."

ACA's Nemo said that the industry would benefit from regulation to prevent incomplete or incorrect info from changing hands. "We do want tighter standards and more regulation surrounding every debt transaction, meaning the creditor has to provide more information about the consumer," he said. (ACA membership includes both debt collectors and debt purchasers.)

Brian Parker said that debt purchasers are more likely to take shortcuts than normal collectors, even if they have accurate info.

"They seek and file on cases they know are bad with little or no info or proof the person they bug owes the debt," he wrote in an email. "Their model is to file on these knowing most debtors ignore the case, a default is entered and then the debt is resurrected as true because of the default. They lack the proof the person owes the debt or they may fudge it just to get the person on the hook. That happens a lot."

Jon Hann of Richmond, Va., has some experience with unscrupulous collectors. Hann got a call on his cell phone from an unfamiliar number last November. When a man introduced himself as "Officer Brian Smith of the ULPD," Hann was alarmed.

Officer Brian made some serious threats. Watch a video of Hann explaining what happened:



Officer Brian wasn't a cop. He was a debt collector with an outfit calling itself the "United Legal Processing Division," and he wanted Hann to repay a $500 online payday loan he'd taken out the previous February. For two months, the collector refused to give up, calling Hann at home and at work several times a day.

"It was a nightmare," Hann said.

The Fair Debt Collection Practices Act, among other things, prohibits collectors from making threats, harassment, misleading statements, and contacting third parties, like family members.

As far as Hann knew, he didn't owe any money. He said he contacted his lender, who confirmed that Hann had repaid the loan, along with its $90 fee, in two weeks. But the collector had every piece of personal information that Hann had given his lender.

A friend of Hann's wrote in a statement for Hann's lawyer that the collector had contacted him as well, saying that "he had tried to call [Hann] and got no answer and that he was going to be arrested that day and if I did not help because I was put as a contact that I would also be arrested and he would see me at the courts as well."

Hann did an internet search for "United Legal Processing Division" and found that it was under discussion at sites like ripoff.com. He got himself a lawyer.

Watch a video of Hann listening to threatening voicemails from his debt collectors:



The calls waned off after Hann began insisting that Officer Brian speak to his lawyer, Dale Pittman, who fired off a letter to the United Legal Processing Division at the New York address Officer Brian had given Hann.

"These folks realized Hann was not going to pay and just moved on to a more vulnerable person," said Pittman. "These are scofflaws that may not even be in America."

On Thursday, Hann called his former harassers to demand some closure. A man on the other end of the line made a half-hearted attempt to get some money out of Hann, then hurriedly hung up:



Pittman's letter to the ULPD arrived at the Tompkins County Public Library, where director Steiner and her staff either sent it back to the post office or threw it in the trash.

"I just can't imagine what these people are going through and thinking someone here at this address is going to sort this out," Steiner said.


HuffPost readers: Do you have a bizarre debt collector story? Do you work as a debt collector? Share your story with the Huffington Post. E-mail arthur@huffingtonpost.com.


Videos produced by Lagan Sebert of the American News Project.

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Since last November, the Tompkins County Public Library in Ithaca, N.Y. has received a "cease and desist" order from an attorney general or a lawyer in some faraway state every few days. All the lette...
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jennysez
11:49 AM on 06/08/2009
You have No Idea!

I've worked in the debt collection business, thankfully only for 9 months and yes they were the nine longest months of my life!

They train collectors in the most bullying tactics possible and expect that debtors don't know the FDCPA, so here's the big lesson; Memorize the FDCPA! Also, if you live in states that have strong debtor protection laws, learn those too, I'm talking to you Massachusetts and Florida!

And PS, nothing scares the crap out of a debt collector as much as having a debtor call them on FDCPA violations, they get fired immediately, cost the company $10 grand per violation. If someone starts making threats they can't legally follow through on like having you arrested, having you fired, taking you to court (this can happen but not always) ask them if they really want to pay your debt for you then list off the violations. Also, if you want the collector to hang up then tell them you're recording the call, they'll tell you that they didn't give you permission to record them, you tell them your lawyer told you to record every call you receive from them, they'll hang up; debt collectors do not want to be recorded.
12:49 PM on 06/07/2009
I send cease & desist letters, which WORK EVERY TIME.

We owe no debt. No bills, no loans, no medical bills...we are what I consider to be good consumers. I have no idea why we get calls from these bullies. Most of the time, they ask for someone who doesn't even live here. We let our ans. machine screen all the calls (you never want to talk to these bullies in person. Then, you become live bait). I look up their number via star 6 9, then look it up on the 'net (who cal led us do t com is a good resource), get an address, and write a cease & desist letter. It works every time. That is, until our # gets passed along to the next bottomfeeding robo-call co. Argh.
04:47 AM on 06/07/2009
....." the sub-prime lenders feed these bottom feeders who are now using torture tactics authored by Cheney and signed by Bybee?" Just a quote to think about.

When these "thuggish" debt collector call, just tell them to send you the "original proof of debt" from original creditor, as my records are different. Than tell them on the same call that you will be filing charges against them "requesting proof of the original charged" and that you only will only communicate this matter through text-messaging, email and/or faxed. State that no payments will be made until this matter is resolved legally and that any phone calls regarding this matter may be recorded at times but you will be notified upfront of such recordings by law. NEVER CONFIRM OR DISCUSS ANY PERSONAL INFORMATION ABOUT THE DEBT WITH THEM OVER THE PHONE ONCE YOU CONFIRM YOUR INFORMATION THEY WILL NEVER LEAVE YOU ALONE.

I have had the same one credit card for over 20 years and told 3 of these "rogue" debt collectors that , who trying to pander a total of $3,000 out of me. I went immediately and sought out an consumer advocate lawyer using non-profit resources as I knew they would never stop harassing me for debts I know I didn't owe.
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smi2le
09:20 PM on 06/06/2009
The student loan racketeers are among the worse. Of course the colleges and universities only care about money and not the unsavory crooks who run the student laon racket.
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goodog
Honk if you believe in a public editor.
08:17 PM on 06/06/2009
For one thing, that's not an Indian accent as the writer suggests.

It's more eastern, like China, but even then the scam smacks more of Republican teabaggery greed than anything else.

Did you know that more than 60% of bankruptcies are linked to medical bills. Three-quarters of people with a medically-related bankruptcy had health insurance. Other people had insurance but got so sick that they lost their job and lost their insurance.

Financial scams like the medical industrial complex, a plank of the GOP platform, are meant to bleed middle-class America of its wealth and leave people suffering and living in fear, too ill and afraid to fight back and do anything about their situation.
01:37 PM on 06/08/2009
I'm a Dem, but i gotta call you on this one. Obama campaigned on the SIngle payer system, but backed down once in office. And check out my home boy from NY, senator Schumer, with almost $1,000,000 in contributions from insurers. They are too powerful, just like the banks that convinced us giving them a TRILLION dollars was a good idea, since they f*cke up the economy so bad (who ever thought this was a good idea?)
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Star2000dancer
Pay it forward, the movie..
02:18 PM on 06/08/2009
Exactly!! That's where I've been since Bush took office!
07:32 PM on 06/06/2009
Collectors should keep in mind that the debtor has probably gotten rid of his phone number to avoid their calls and the person they are reaching is an innocent with a new number. This went on with me and was insane.
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armadillious2002
06:39 PM on 06/06/2009
What do you call 1000 debt collectors at the bottom of the ocean?........A damned good start.
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breakingpoint
War is a Racket - Smedley Butler
06:23 PM on 06/06/2009
We need a law that requires these companies to list the company's full name and address, the workers ID numbers, the EXACT LOCATION they are calling from and a phone number that works when you call it back BEFORE any questions are asked.

These companies should also pay into a fund that produces commercials that explain your rights as a citizen when borrowing - like at the end of the pharmaceutical commercials.

i.e. "Doing business with this company can lead to charges that cost you as much as 80% of the loan
- barrow $100,00 payback $180.00 within 2 weeks- this can also lead to bad credit, destitution, homelessness, starvation, divorce and/or bankruptcy"

Requiring this from these companies is far less than what they askin return.

There are more regulation on casinos.

If they fear you won't pay them back because of these requirements then they shouldn't be in the business.

It's amazing payday loans are even allowed in the US.

We either put these guys on a very tight rope or pay and require that all students take a course in economics to graduate 8th grade, high school and college. And while they're there take a course in Civics as well.

Last Part - when did this country become only and all about the money?
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CubfanBudman
He Ain't Heavy, He's my Brother
08:14 PM on 06/06/2009
"No taxation without representation" ring a bell?

This country has always been about the money.
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breakingpoint
War is a Racket - Smedley Butler
05:59 PM on 06/06/2009
This is what Media is supposed to do (thanks Huffington) and why the internet and You Tube are so important

Protect net neutrality
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Dan Cubert
05:31 PM on 06/06/2009
Read and understand fully the Fair Debt Collection Practices Act.

Having three credit cards, paying the full amount without carrying any balance, closing out cards that charge unreasonable interest rates, and generally being what you perceive as a "good consumer" will get you nowhere in developing a line of credit.

Incidentally, if you miss a payment, and your interest rate goes up on one card, all your cards universally go up.

I suggest that you go to this website for more info: www.budhibbs.com
04:05 PM on 06/06/2009
AT&T sicced these dogs on me, in error.

AT&T provided my contact information to the collection agency, for the debt owed to them by someone else with a similar name. "Collection Company of America" (Norwell, MA address) were so obnoxious that I was momentarily tempted to just pay the money to get them off my back--and it was not even my debt! When the threats began, I hung up on them, so I don't know what he had in mind, and I never answered my phone again without prescreening calls.

Spent more than four hours dealing with AT&T on several occasions trying to get this resolved at their end instead--you would think I was asking them to invent the wheel. One person promised to take care of it, but didn't. Months of dealing with this stupidity. I had finally decided I would sue them in Small Claims Court if they did not successfully resolve this case in my favor, but finally they did (I think).

Of course, the stress they caused was immense, and of course there was no apology, or credit offered for my time, and of course I'm now monitoring my credit report like a paranoic fool.

Bottom-feeders, indeed. It was like dealing with the Mafia.
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riversideliberal
04:03 PM on 06/06/2009
CamCo, aka ScamCo, is notorious for this. They either lie completely about a debt you never had, or use old paid-off debts and old bankruptcies to scare people into paying money.... (Who remembers, 10 years after a bankruptcy, if that old Sears bill got included? and who keeps the paperwork?)

A few years ago, housesitting and paying a friend's bills for the summer, I got a call from CamCo. They said she owed $12,000 and hadn't made a payment in years. This was certainly unlikely, since she's very careful and has spotless credit.... But they put heavy pressure on me to give them $400 to make the debt go away..... Otherwise, they would have to call the sheriff and have her arrested....

I'm not stupid or gullible, but the pressure was so intense that I considered paying just to make sure there was no problem.... I'm sure a lot of people do pay the money, just out of fear.
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erinker
05:14 PM on 06/06/2009
Absolutely people pay! Especially if it is a sum like $400 - a lot of money for most people to be sure, but I think most people would consider that a small pinance for peace. I really don't care what these a$$.holes say to me or threaten. My mom worked in the collections dept of a legitimate bank for years so I know what they can and can't do. (For the record, she was a very nice, reasonable collector and her pay was not at all contingent on how much she collected, which is part of the problem with these monstrous places.) What bothers me is when they call third parties. Sure, it's illegal and you can sue them, but that is little consolation when your reputation at the office is already ruined. This hasn't happened to me, but did happen to someone I worked with and it was a NIGHTMARE.
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DonCosenza
03:42 PM on 06/06/2009
On the bright side, maybe some people are sending checks to the library to pay off their debts. ;-)
03:22 PM on 06/06/2009
Why would they threaten to have the person fired from their job? Wouldn't that make it even more difficult to receive the money owed to them, since the person would lose their income?

I have seen many stories of criminal harassment by debt collectors. It's really quite sad. People need to pay off their debt in this society of greed, but criminally harassing someone (and sometimes it's done to a completely innocent person with no debt at all) is wrong. Two wrongs don't make a right.
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brandnewstuff
03:11 PM on 06/06/2009
The threats- America does not have a debt prison! I call BS on scam artist use illegal methods to con people for cash. The man on the phone is a fraud. I would have given him an american web of profanity if he called me again!