Debt Collector Harassment: Coming To A Library Near You (VIDEO)

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First Posted: 06- 5-09 02:05 PM   |   Updated: 06- 5-09 04:16 PM

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Since last November, the Tompkins County Public Library in Ithaca, N.Y. has received a "cease and desist" order from an attorney general or a lawyer in some faraway state every few days. All the letters said basically same thing: Stop your harassment.

"It just became overwhelming," library director Janet Steiner told the Huffington Post. "I have no idea why they chose us."

Apparently a debt collector had been giving the library's address to people from whom it was aggressively trying to recover debt, and those people were handing the address over to their lawyers and local prosecutors.

Call legal threats to your local library a peculiar byproduct of the nationwide economic crisis and a burgeoning debt collection industry. In 2005, debt collectors recovered $51.4 billion nationwide. Two years later, that figure reached $57.9 billion, according to a study by PricewaterhouseCoopers for ACA International, a trade group for the debt industry.

"The story in the industry is that there's more and more debt available. The problem is, it's harder and harder to collect," said ACA spokesman John Nemo in an interview with the Huffington Post.

As collectors work harder and harder to recover debt from strapped consumers, some get creative, like Sunrise Credit Services, a company that trains employees how best to persuade people -- within the limits of the law -- to pay their debts to their clients.

But not all collectors are members of a reputable trade group: Some are just bullies. Debt collectors that break the law make a brisk business for lawyers who sue them.

"We're busier than we've ever been," said Brian Parker, a Michigan attorney with a practice suing debt collectors. Parker told the Huffington Post that since he started his practice in 2005, he's added about 50 more cases every year. This year, he said, "is going to be a banner year."

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The fastest growing part of the debt industry is in debt purchasing -- buying portfolios of bad debt outright, typically for five cents on the dollar or less, and trying to collect it for keeps, as opposed to recovering it for a creditor. Collectors recovered $6 billion in purchased debt in 2007, up from $2.3 billion in 2005. Ninety percent of the debt that collectors buy is in the form of charge-offs -- debt that credit card issuers don't think their customers will ever pay back. Charge-off rates hit a 20-year peak in April.

Richard Rubin is an attorney in New Mexico who is an expert on the Fair Debt Collection Practices Act.

"This whole idea of these credit card companies selling large portfolios of charged-off debt for a few pennies on the dollar and then putting these papers into the stream of commerce with people's names and social security numbers on them and the amount allegedly owed, and that's where most of the problems come in," Rubin told the Huffington Post. "They sell these accounts to these bottom feeders, and they get confused about who it is they're trying to go after. It's very easy to go after the wrong person."

ACA's Nemo said that the industry would benefit from regulation to prevent incomplete or incorrect info from changing hands. "We do want tighter standards and more regulation surrounding every debt transaction, meaning the creditor has to provide more information about the consumer," he said. (ACA membership includes both debt collectors and debt purchasers.)

Brian Parker said that debt purchasers are more likely to take shortcuts than normal collectors, even if they have accurate info.

"They seek and file on cases they know are bad with little or no info or proof the person they bug owes the debt," he wrote in an email. "Their model is to file on these knowing most debtors ignore the case, a default is entered and then the debt is resurrected as true because of the default. They lack the proof the person owes the debt or they may fudge it just to get the person on the hook. That happens a lot."

Jon Hann of Richmond, Va., has some experience with unscrupulous collectors. Hann got a call on his cell phone from an unfamiliar number last November. When a man introduced himself as "Officer Brian Smith of the ULPD," Hann was alarmed.

Officer Brian made some serious threats. Watch a video of Hann explaining what happened:



Officer Brian wasn't a cop. He was a debt collector with an outfit calling itself the "United Legal Processing Division," and he wanted Hann to repay a $500 online payday loan he'd taken out the previous February. For two months, the collector refused to give up, calling Hann at home and at work several times a day.

"It was a nightmare," Hann said.

The Fair Debt Collection Practices Act, among other things, prohibits collectors from making threats, harassment, misleading statements, and contacting third parties, like family members.

As far as Hann knew, he didn't owe any money. He said he contacted his lender, who confirmed that Hann had repaid the loan, along with its $90 fee, in two weeks. But the collector had every piece of personal information that Hann had given his lender.

A friend of Hann's wrote in a statement for Hann's lawyer that the collector had contacted him as well, saying that "he had tried to call [Hann] and got no answer and that he was going to be arrested that day and if I did not help because I was put as a contact that I would also be arrested and he would see me at the courts as well."

Hann did an internet search for "United Legal Processing Division" and found that it was under discussion at sites like ripoff.com. He got himself a lawyer.

Watch a video of Hann listening to threatening voicemails from his debt collectors:



The calls waned off after Hann began insisting that Officer Brian speak to his lawyer, Dale Pittman, who fired off a letter to the United Legal Processing Division at the New York address Officer Brian had given Hann.

"These folks realized Hann was not going to pay and just moved on to a more vulnerable person," said Pittman. "These are scofflaws that may not even be in America."

On Thursday, Hann called his former harassers to demand some closure. A man on the other end of the line made a half-hearted attempt to get some money out of Hann, then hurriedly hung up:



Pittman's letter to the ULPD arrived at the Tompkins County Public Library, where director Steiner and her staff either sent it back to the post office or threw it in the trash.

"I just can't imagine what these people are going through and thinking someone here at this address is going to sort this out," Steiner said.


HuffPost readers: Do you have a bizarre debt collector story? Do you work as a debt collector? Share your story with the Huffington Post. E-mail arthur@huffingtonpost.com.


Videos produced by Lagan Sebert of the American News Project.

Since last November, the Tompkins County Public Library in Ithaca, N.Y. has received a "cease and desist" order from an attorney general or a lawyer in some faraway state every few days. All the lette...
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- ddDinah I'm a Fan of ddDinah 23 fans permalink

Creepy and the collectors sound like they're from another country, sound like Eastern Indian. So do our laws a apply to those people who are outsourced labor? Isn't that why George outsourced kindnapping and torture?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:18 PM on 06/06/2009
- erinker I'm a Fan of erinker 23 fans permalink

I have two credit cards from 1994(!) that still try to collect! When I write my letter to them stating that the statute of limitations has run out (by about 7 freakin' years!) and it needs to be removed from my report, they do so...but only for a month or so until they sell it to someone else and the process starts all over again. Debt clean-up is like quick-sand: the harder you work, the faster you sink.

And that says nothing about the four items on my report that aren't even mine, and the one account they show as delinquent that was NEVER LATE EVEN ONCE! I have been working on it for three years now and finally just gave up when I realized it was wasted energy.

If we are going to make credit reports so important - the end-all, be-all of our value as human beings - we really need to pass some laws to make it a lot easier to make sure the report is actually ACCURATE.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:16 PM on 06/06/2009

In the very least.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:21 PM on 06/06/2009

Congress did pass laws a couple of years ago that attempted to make the big three credit reporting agencies correct mistakes on credit reports. However, these companies have put the least amount of effort and money possible to comply with the law. I don't see it getting any better until these credit reporting is handled differently. To these three credit agencies, a consumer is just a report and not a customer unless you sign up for one of their waste of money plans, then you are a low value customer. These companies have no reason to go out of their way because they do not directly receive money from the consumer with the report, and thus have no "duty" to them. The customers that these three agencies want to please are the companies that issue credit among others, as they are the groups that actually pay for the reports. The problem is getting the credit agencies to value the accuracy of all their credit reports, if the consumer with the report was valued as much credit issuer we might have something. The credit issuer will always have more economic clout than the consumer, which throws the balance off a bit. If the government took over credit reporting it would help somewhat because by its nature the government is supposed to answer to its citizens. However, the new agencies budget could be cut if the mission of the agency goes against the ideology of the party in power at that time.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:12 PM on 06/06/2009
- erinker I'm a Fan of erinker 23 fans permalink

I think you are absolutely right. There needs to be a complete overhaul of the credit reporting structure. Your analysis of it is perfect because when I call the agencies (which I have done so many time I can't even count), they really don't care at all. I mean, they might care enough to not get a lawsuit, but that is only enough to get the fraudulant info removed until next month! Most of the time, they treat me like I am lying and just trying to get away with something. It is extraordinarily frustrating!

Somewhere over the last 20 years. credit reports became the sole determinant of our value as a person, regardless of the nature of the issue. Shoot, companies look at your credit when you apply for a JOB! Insurance premiums are higher for people with lower credit scores, which is the most ridiculous thing ever. It's like charging higher premiums for people who eat ice cream - it has nothing to do with anything! And just as credit reports have become more important, they have also become less accurate. And it only seems to be getting worse. Time for a revolution!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:06 PM on 06/06/2009

I got my free credit report and someone with my same name, living in Missouri, has excellent credit and shops at up scale stores. Kind of balances out my bad stuff. I think I will let this sleeping dog just sleep on.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:33 PM on 06/06/2009
- widdles I'm a Fan of widdles 59 fans permalink
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I am not in any financial situation where I would be put in the position of getting these calls. But if I were and if I were to get these calls, the people/company at the other end of the line would be totally clueless as to who they were coming up against!

No, I am not an attorney. No, I am not a member of any organization that deals with people/companies like this. I am just an average citizen who, when is wrong, shoved against the wall or being unjustly treated like this gets my hackles up and goes after the party with a vengeance.

When people have crossed me, they have always ended up on the losing end. The company that put the exterior coating on my house - lost. Received a parking ticket (ticket was justified, circumstances were such I was justified as well) - got it dismissed. Two crooked antique auction houses shut down - that was not my goal, only that they run legit, but the city ended up shutting them down anyway. Company that installed all new copper piping throughout the house charged more than the estimate - they lost. I could go on and on.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:08 PM on 06/06/2009
- widdles I'm a Fan of widdles 59 fans permalink
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Part 2

The point is, for anyone, from the first call, keep notes - date, time, who you spoke to, the basics of the conversation (making full notes for complete information of very pertinent portions of the conversation to be able to quote back what was said) and the outcome of that conversation. Do this with every piece of contact. And be aggressive - never backing down.

Some cases can be frustrating and take a long time to resolve - the case of the exterior coating on the house took a year and a half. So persistence is an absolute must. Never give up - that is what they are hoping for.

And the Better Business Bureau is your best friend! From the very beginning, always file a complaint with the BBB

On the exterior coating case, I received notification from the BBB that it was closed, as things were corrected. The company had never made any form of restitution or correction! Immediately contacted BBB, they got right on it and within 2 days, the company was at my house fixing the problem.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:10 PM on 06/06/2009
- erinker I'm a Fan of erinker 23 fans permalink

The differnece, though, is that none of those cases were making your credit score plummet by the hour, which in turn makes your insurance premiums go up, your job opportunities dwindle, and you interest on loans go up. If you're laid off (which so many people are right now), credit reports become even more important right at the time they are most in danger. That's why so many people end up paying. FIghting is great and advisable, but not always possible.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:37 PM on 06/06/2009
- bdaved I'm a Fan of bdaved 32 fans permalink

You don't have to be in any particular financial situation to get these calls.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:00 PM on 06/06/2009
- booker52 I'm a Fan of booker52 33 fans permalink
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My son filed for bankrupcy a few years ago. Just recently a collection agent called me on a debt in that filing. I told the person that this bill had been charged off due to that filing and to lose my ph number. I haven't heard from then since.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:20 PM on 06/06/2009
- hughfree I'm a Fan of hughfree 6 fans permalink

Switch to cash. I did 20 years ago and I am now purchasing a home in Florida, cash with the money I have saved. With a good savings plan you can afford a nice home with 5 years of savings. I used to work with a guy from Pakistan who did this when no one believed he could. Just say no to the American credit drug and live within your means. You will also discover that you will have freedom that you never had before. With a decent savings, when you lose your job you have time to sit back and contemplate where you will go and what you will do next and your home is paid for.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:19 PM on 06/06/2009
- erinker I'm a Fan of erinker 23 fans permalink

This is good advice if it is a viable option. I know a lot of people that are operating in the negative right now. And these are not people with fancy houses and fancy cars! How are you to "save" if you are literally negative every month?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:08 PM on 06/06/2009
- pc51 I'm a Fan of pc51 17 fans permalink
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Keep your bankruptcy discharge papers handy- it won't stop the sherrif from arresting you until you get a bail hearing, but they paper will get you out quicker.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:07 PM on 06/06/2009
- Happylib I'm a Fan of Happylib 84 fans permalink
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what are you talking about?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:27 PM on 06/06/2009
- pc51 I'm a Fan of pc51 17 fans permalink
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OK, briefly, this is how it works:
1. Sleazy debt attorney files court papers (local courts) to compel you to come to a hearing with all of your current financial information to prove you have no money to pay them.

2. Sleazy debt attorney makes sure that you do not get these notices (many local courts do not require a signature that you are aware of filing aganist you- as long at least 2 notices have been sent to last known address "in good faith.")

3. Hearing comes around and you are a no show - judge issues a warrant for a "body attachment." Most of the time the sheriff has no problem locating you - uses DMV, etc. Otherwise they pick you off at a traffic stop, etc. You GO TO JAIL because it appears that you have dissed the court.

4. Bail is set for the amount that you owe the debt company. Depending on your local authorities you may get out with a payment plan or you may serve awhile if you cannot pay. Either way - you now have an arrest record, among other things.

5. Since everyone assumes you are a law-breaking deadbeat, no one cares what you have to say - so if the debt has been dischaged in bankruptcy- always have that paper handy! You will still be arrested but the debt company may get a "scolding" from the judge.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:19 PM on 06/06/2009
- erinker I'm a Fan of erinker 23 fans permalink

You can't be arrested for debt in this country. Unless you deliberately defrauded someone, which is a crime.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:09 PM on 06/06/2009
- pc51 I'm a Fan of pc51 17 fans permalink
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It is not the debt you are being arrested for - it is for missing a court date that the debt company scheduled and made sure that you were unaware of. Once arrested, often over a long holiday weekend or at 3am - the hearing officer does what is easiest and sets bail for the amount that it appears you skipped out of court for. A bankruptcy discharge paper will get you out fast - but they still arrest you until the hearing officer reviews the discharge paper.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:54 PM on 06/06/2009

I filed bankruptcy in 2002 and a few of the creditors are still attempting to collect.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:00 PM on 06/06/2009
- pc51 I'm a Fan of pc51 17 fans permalink
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There are debt companies, (usually led by some sleazy attorneys) that go throught the local court systems and employ some really vile tactics that require local authorities to put a "body attachment" (arrest and jail) a person who allegedly owes a debt. Many times the person is unaware of what is going on until the sherrif comes and takes them away becayse the debt company plays dirty with all of the preliminary steps- but try telling the person who has a gun and a piece of paper to arrest you that you don't know what is going on.
The person is jailed and cannot be relaeased until they pay the court the amount that the debt company claims is owed. The county takes their cut and the debt company gets the rest. It's a win-win for local authorities and debt companies. Look to see more of it as things get tougher. For people that cannot pay, the county keeps them in jail for a certain period of time and charges them for the stay - adding to the total debt - they get out eventually, but always with the threat of being hauled back in at any time plus the jail record following them. Arresstees then get put on a "payment plan" but no one will hire them now. Body attachments are happening more and more with medical debts. Some of these alleged debts ( not all are legitimate) are decades old.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:45 AM on 06/06/2009

What are you talking about? You can't be arrested for owing money, much less kept in jail until it's paid. Debtors' prisons were abolished a long time ago.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:19 PM on 06/06/2009
- pc51 I'm a Fan of pc51 17 fans permalink
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Thats what you think! Amy Goodman did a piece on this about a year or so ago on Democracy NOW!. The debt companies can manipulate the local county courts to arrest you for a debt - it is a process. First they send notice that you have to bring all of your current financial information to a court hearing that they have scheduled - but get this - the trick is to send the notices to a wrong address or an old address so that you don't get them. When you don't show up to the hearing, the judge issues a warrent for a "body attachment." (Arrest) Now - the local sherrif just goes to the DMV and has no problem finding you. The bail is usually set for the amount of the debt the collection company says you owe. This IS happening more and more - it is the new debtors prison formula.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:43 PM on 06/06/2009
- phlashba I'm a Fan of phlashba 16 fans permalink

Yep...Kinda like torture or warrantless wiretaps, "you can't", BUT THEY CAN. Wake up.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:18 PM on 06/06/2009
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I am not starting an argument but you can be arrested. I though the same thing. I even called the court house so my daughter would not be stressed out. She has never been arrested and has a young child. Court clerk told me there was a default warrant out in her name. You are not arrested for the debt but for not showing up in court, . They sent the original paper for court to an 9 year old address. So naturally she never received it.

We went into court and the default was dropped. The company still tried to collect on a non valid debt they have to have proof. So far she has gone to court twice and they can't find any proof of this debt ( uh maybe because it there is no such debt!!) so the judge dropped the case.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:25 PM on 06/06/2009

I take it back--you're right. Anyone can read about it here: http://webreprints.djreprints.com/858821310103.html

It's shocking. I'm a lawyer, and I never heard of this. It's beyond frightening.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:56 PM on 06/06/2009
- Tenley I'm a Fan of Tenley 15 fans permalink

I'm sorry, that sounds like at the very least fraud, nevermind illegal detention of a non-criminal. The suits and court awards against any company that tried this frauldent stunt and the government agency that actually detained the person would be outrageous and certainly not worth whatever the debt collector got through method.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:03 PM on 06/06/2009
- mphalen I'm a Fan of mphalen 10 fans permalink
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Caller ID and an answering machine work well against unwanted phone calls.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:20 AM on 06/06/2009
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So does a 457 magnum!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:49 AM on 06/06/2009

I think that's a .357 magnum. Or, a .44 magnum. Either one works wonders.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:07 PM on 06/06/2009
- jordan3189 I'm a Fan of jordan3189 20 fans permalink

LOLOLOL

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:58 PM on 06/06/2009
- vippy I'm a Fan of vippy 77 fans permalink

Again, Europe is ahead of the mighty USA in this also. No one can touch the very basics necessary
for you to exist. It is high time for the USA to get with the times other than their military might, which
only brings death and destruction to the rest of the world. No healthcare coverage and no laws which will prevent these sharks from fleecing you but talk about a brainwashed country!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:17 AM on 06/06/2009
- LeeCalif I'm a Fan of LeeCalif 83 fans permalink

Sure Europe is ahead of us. Senator Charles Grassley (R) of Iowa made it his mission to get the new bankruptcy law passed exactly the way THE BANKS wanted it.

In fact, creditors said they got everything and more (in the bill) that they wanted.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:31 AM on 06/06/2009
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Forget it!. Your congress changed the personal bankrupcy laws so that there really is no protection left in bankrupcy.

Things happen in people's lives and they often need a second and third chance.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:51 AM on 06/06/2009

Almost a year ago I began receiving calls from a debt collector asking for a person I've never heard of. I told the agent that there is no such person at this number, and I've had the number for 10 years. Those calls stopped. Unfortunately, they've now simply queued up my phone number on their robo-call list. I get at least one call every weekday from an automated voice telling me to call the debt collection agency. The phone company says all I can do is send a cease and desist letter. I'm not holding my breath for that to work.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:09 AM on 06/06/2009
- Rubyfoo I'm a Fan of Rubyfoo 7 fans permalink

What we won't do to each other for a buck. This isn't them against us. As Pogo said, "We have met the enemy and it's us."

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:22 AM on 06/06/2009
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I don't really care who thinks I'm a deadbeat either. I have my mortgage, and can feed my kids. That's all I care about. If my wife's company hadn't screwed her on her disability, there would have been no problem. These debt collectors buy debt for between a nickel and a quarter on the dollar, in hundred thousand to million dollar chunks. They get a list from, say, Citibank. It has your name, SSN, charge off amount, address, and phone numbers. They start pulling your credit report daily to lower your score, then file as a tradeline account, when it's not. Violation. Then they skip trace and call your relatives in order to get your cell #. Violation. Calling the cell, violation. Refusing to validate within 30 days, violation. Collecting during the 30 days from when you sent validation note, violation. Not marking it as disputed with the credit agency when they get your dispute, violation. Simple rules to follow, yet they don't. I'll sue each time. Suing the worst collector, LVNV, because of 8 violations, at a thousand per. They sued me, I won, dismissed with prejudice. They are trying to sell and collect again. I'll get half, and pay off my student loan. 'Sometimes the things you own start to own you'. That's your credit card debt, owning your life. I'll never get another one again. Where's Tyler Durden these days?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:13 AM on 06/06/2009
- erinker I'm a Fan of erinker 23 fans permalink

Good luck getting anywhere, though! Like I said above, debt clean-up is like quicksand: the harder you work, the quicker you sink. You might get something removed from your report for a month or two, but rest-assured it will show up again under ANOTHER company and you have to start the process all over again. If you can get definitive proof of violations and can afford an attorney (and let's face it: if you could afford an attorney you probably wouldn't NEED one, right?), you might get somewhere. If not, you;re screwed. I am in the same boat.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:21 PM on 06/06/2009
- FrTown I'm a Fan of FrTown 17 fans permalink
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Many people are blaming Jon and alike for taking a small loan. These are hard times and some do make the dreadful decision to extend their hands to loan sharks (an insult to the sea creature). But Jon paid back his loan with a hefty interest. He's been harassed for no reason. And that's the whole point of this article. It has nothing to do with defaulting on any loan payments.
Having said that, due to the small amount involved, Jon should have reached out to family members, friends, or even the company he works for.
In my family, we loan each other at ZERO interest up to $10,000 for periods going up to 2-3 years.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:07 AM on 06/06/2009
- stargazer13 I'm a Fan of stargazer13 103 fans permalink
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I invest in family also who better to invest in

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:10 AM on 06/06/2009
- erinker I'm a Fan of erinker 23 fans permalink

Not everyone has family, and not everyone has family that has the ability or the willingness to loan any money. And when you have kids to feed...it's really easy to blame the vicitms in these cases but times are TERRIBLE and the fact is that any one of us COULD be in the same situation one day. There but by the grace of God go I!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:24 PM on 06/06/2009
- stargazer13 I'm a Fan of stargazer13 103 fans permalink
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I remember a debt collector once told me to put my children to work !

all six of my children were under the age of 12 years I will never for get that women and if I do it can be safely
said I have lost my mind .

my reply to her was look we are on unemployment and there is just not enough money to go around

and guess what lady I usually feed my children before I feed any one else !!

so stop harrassing me I know better then you what and who I owe !!!!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:04 AM on 06/06/2009
- ftc I'm a Fan of ftc 4 fans permalink

You can block up to 12 numbers. Just block them and don't answer blocked calls.
Why bother talking to them. They can do nothing, they can say they'll take you to court; good luck unless you owe a very large sum.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:34 AM on 06/06/2009
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