Debt Collector Harassment: Coming To A Library Near You (VIDEO)

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First Posted: 06- 5-09 02:05 PM   |   Updated: 06- 5-09 04:16 PM

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Since last November, the Tompkins County Public Library in Ithaca, N.Y. has received a "cease and desist" order from an attorney general or a lawyer in some faraway state every few days. All the letters said basically same thing: Stop your harassment.

"It just became overwhelming," library director Janet Steiner told the Huffington Post. "I have no idea why they chose us."

Apparently a debt collector had been giving the library's address to people from whom it was aggressively trying to recover debt, and those people were handing the address over to their lawyers and local prosecutors.

Call legal threats to your local library a peculiar byproduct of the nationwide economic crisis and a burgeoning debt collection industry. In 2005, debt collectors recovered $51.4 billion nationwide. Two years later, that figure reached $57.9 billion, according to a study by PricewaterhouseCoopers for ACA International, a trade group for the debt industry.

"The story in the industry is that there's more and more debt available. The problem is, it's harder and harder to collect," said ACA spokesman John Nemo in an interview with the Huffington Post.

As collectors work harder and harder to recover debt from strapped consumers, some get creative, like Sunrise Credit Services, a company that trains employees how best to persuade people -- within the limits of the law -- to pay their debts to their clients.

But not all collectors are members of a reputable trade group: Some are just bullies. Debt collectors that break the law make a brisk business for lawyers who sue them.

"We're busier than we've ever been," said Brian Parker, a Michigan attorney with a practice suing debt collectors. Parker told the Huffington Post that since he started his practice in 2005, he's added about 50 more cases every year. This year, he said, "is going to be a banner year."

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The fastest growing part of the debt industry is in debt purchasing -- buying portfolios of bad debt outright, typically for five cents on the dollar or less, and trying to collect it for keeps, as opposed to recovering it for a creditor. Collectors recovered $6 billion in purchased debt in 2007, up from $2.3 billion in 2005. Ninety percent of the debt that collectors buy is in the form of charge-offs -- debt that credit card issuers don't think their customers will ever pay back. Charge-off rates hit a 20-year peak in April.

Richard Rubin is an attorney in New Mexico who is an expert on the Fair Debt Collection Practices Act.

"This whole idea of these credit card companies selling large portfolios of charged-off debt for a few pennies on the dollar and then putting these papers into the stream of commerce with people's names and social security numbers on them and the amount allegedly owed, and that's where most of the problems come in," Rubin told the Huffington Post. "They sell these accounts to these bottom feeders, and they get confused about who it is they're trying to go after. It's very easy to go after the wrong person."

ACA's Nemo said that the industry would benefit from regulation to prevent incomplete or incorrect info from changing hands. "We do want tighter standards and more regulation surrounding every debt transaction, meaning the creditor has to provide more information about the consumer," he said. (ACA membership includes both debt collectors and debt purchasers.)

Brian Parker said that debt purchasers are more likely to take shortcuts than normal collectors, even if they have accurate info.

"They seek and file on cases they know are bad with little or no info or proof the person they bug owes the debt," he wrote in an email. "Their model is to file on these knowing most debtors ignore the case, a default is entered and then the debt is resurrected as true because of the default. They lack the proof the person owes the debt or they may fudge it just to get the person on the hook. That happens a lot."

Jon Hann of Richmond, Va., has some experience with unscrupulous collectors. Hann got a call on his cell phone from an unfamiliar number last November. When a man introduced himself as "Officer Brian Smith of the ULPD," Hann was alarmed.

Officer Brian made some serious threats. Watch a video of Hann explaining what happened:



Officer Brian wasn't a cop. He was a debt collector with an outfit calling itself the "United Legal Processing Division," and he wanted Hann to repay a $500 online payday loan he'd taken out the previous February. For two months, the collector refused to give up, calling Hann at home and at work several times a day.

"It was a nightmare," Hann said.

The Fair Debt Collection Practices Act, among other things, prohibits collectors from making threats, harassment, misleading statements, and contacting third parties, like family members.

As far as Hann knew, he didn't owe any money. He said he contacted his lender, who confirmed that Hann had repaid the loan, along with its $90 fee, in two weeks. But the collector had every piece of personal information that Hann had given his lender.

A friend of Hann's wrote in a statement for Hann's lawyer that the collector had contacted him as well, saying that "he had tried to call [Hann] and got no answer and that he was going to be arrested that day and if I did not help because I was put as a contact that I would also be arrested and he would see me at the courts as well."

Hann did an internet search for "United Legal Processing Division" and found that it was under discussion at sites like ripoff.com. He got himself a lawyer.

Watch a video of Hann listening to threatening voicemails from his debt collectors:



The calls waned off after Hann began insisting that Officer Brian speak to his lawyer, Dale Pittman, who fired off a letter to the United Legal Processing Division at the New York address Officer Brian had given Hann.

"These folks realized Hann was not going to pay and just moved on to a more vulnerable person," said Pittman. "These are scofflaws that may not even be in America."

On Thursday, Hann called his former harassers to demand some closure. A man on the other end of the line made a half-hearted attempt to get some money out of Hann, then hurriedly hung up:



Pittman's letter to the ULPD arrived at the Tompkins County Public Library, where director Steiner and her staff either sent it back to the post office or threw it in the trash.

"I just can't imagine what these people are going through and thinking someone here at this address is going to sort this out," Steiner said.


HuffPost readers: Do you have a bizarre debt collector story? Do you work as a debt collector? Share your story with the Huffington Post. E-mail arthur@huffingtonpost.com.


Videos produced by Lagan Sebert of the American News Project.

Since last November, the Tompkins County Public Library in Ithaca, N.Y. has received a "cease and desist" order from an attorney general or a lawyer in some faraway state every few days. All the lette...
Since last November, the Tompkins County Public Library in Ithaca, N.Y. has received a "cease and desist" order from an attorney general or a lawyer in some faraway state every few days. All the lette...
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- crazyv I'm a Fan of crazyv 8 fans permalink

How hard would it be to get a law that says the original lender is responsible for the actions of any debt collector to whom they sell the debt to?

Never mind my mistake I was still in the dream of 2008 when I thought the election of Barack Obama would change things in Washington. Forgot the reality that his administration like the rest of Washington is is bought and paid for by the financial industry.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:01 AM on 06/06/2009
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I would go for that and since you brought up the subject of new laws

this one would also be a good one !!!

the us government shall not operate !!! in the red !!!!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:07 AM on 06/06/2009
- Bozwellian I'm a Fan of Bozwellian 31 fans permalink

Somwthing NOT noted, ery oten the OLD DEBT has been thru MULTIPLE RESELLS...Same debt attempted to be "collected" from others who bout the bundle which did not have updated information that the DEBT HAD BEEN RESOLVED and NOT OWED /etc....SO the same old debt keeps getting recirculated and the harrassment continues.
There needs to be a TOTAL overhaul and if the original creditor HAS finalized the original debt, NO SELL OFF OF THE DEBT , NO PERSONAL INFORMATION sent out and about to uestionable sorts who seek to exploit the system and the consumer.
NEVER admit to owing the debt, demand VERIFICATION OF ORIGNAL DEBT , never offer to "settle" for then another merely picks up for what the settlement did NOTfully recover of the original debt !!
TOO MANY TRICKS in THEIR FAVOR used by them, TOO FEW TO NIL that allows the victimizationing via harrassment and it is an outrage that needs to be halted!!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:59 AM on 06/06/2009
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A lot of years ago I owed $500.00 to a company who turned the debt over to one of these collection agencies, who called every day. And I mean every day. (If I didn't have the money yesterday, chances are I don't have it the very next day, especially when I told you I wouldn't) Finally, I told the caller that I had a stack of bills and everytime they called, their client went to the bottom of the stack.....everyone else would get paid before they would. This worked. They stopped their daily harassing calls and I paid off the debt about six weeks later.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:55 AM on 06/06/2009

There is no such thing as a debt collector who "operates within the law". The beauty of he FCRA and FDCPA is that there is no way a debt collector can follow every section of the statutes and still remain viable as a business. They ALL violate the law in one way or another. Furthermore, junk debt buyers are examples of the "empty pitcher" theorem, which basically means what they bought was a worthless piece of paper and htey have no actual legal remedy by which they can claim he original debtor owes them one penny.

Unfortunately, the public isn't smart enough to know this or know how to exercise their rights.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:45 AM on 06/06/2009
- jbrantow I'm a Fan of jbrantow 39 fans permalink

legalized loan sharks

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:37 AM on 06/06/2009
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Like credit card companies?????

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:48 AM on 06/06/2009
- mjb5406 I'm a Fan of mjb5406 27 fans permalink
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Another ploy they now use is the "multiple debt repurchase"... here's how it works: The original creditor (who i not subject to most provisions of the FDCPA) sells a package of debt to Collector A... when you get a letter from them and respond in the required 30 days challenging the debt, they ignore you... months, or even years, later, the same debt is now in the hands of Collector B, who purchased it from Collector A, and claims they have no record of any communication with you. This can go on endlessly.

Also, asking Experian, Trans Union and Equifax to validate a debt is useless... all they do is say "Hey, creditor... is this debt valid?" NO investigation, no evidence... do you honestly think the creditor will say "no"? I doubt it.

Debt collection here is broken, maybe beyond repair. People representing themselves as lawyers try to collect debts in states where they are licensed neither as attorneys nor as debt collectors, yet they can negatively affect your credit record. They should be stopped.

One more avenue to follow is to either contact your state's Attorney General or, if there is one, your state's Division of Professional Regulation, which is responsible for licensing and regulating collection agencies and attorneys.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:14 AM on 06/06/2009
- erinker I'm a Fan of erinker 22 fans permalink

Great info! And spot on! It's time for revolution!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:01 PM on 06/06/2009
- jordan3189 I'm a Fan of jordan3189 20 fans permalink

Why do people use credit, go in debt, then they don't think they have to pay it back.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:12 AM on 06/06/2009
- Brautigan I'm a Fan of Brautigan 8 fans permalink

Food in alot of cases. Hunger is a very motivating thing!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:44 AM on 06/06/2009

Yours was a nicer reply than my reply that they moderated out.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:51 AM on 06/06/2009
- geejai54 I'm a Fan of geejai54 8 fans permalink

A recent report shows that half of all bankruptcies are due to medical bills, not credit card debt. You missed the whole point of this article. many of these people do not owe the debt. The Downfeeding collection agencies many times have incorrect information. There are also laws as to how they are to conduct their business and many of these companies manipulate the system or others just break the law.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:53 AM on 06/06/2009
- Quislet I'm a Fan of Quislet 2 fans permalink
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It is not that simple. First, the person could have already paid off the debt. Yet the harassing phone calls continue.

Second, You took out a credit card with Citibank, but the person calling you is from "Ameribank Collections Bureau". So, who are they? Are they legit or a scam who know about your debt by getting a credit report on you? Why are they saying you owe $3712.86 when the highest balance you had was $1,400.00 and you had paid some of that? So you ask they to validate the debt, which means they have to show that they have bought the debt from Citibank (or from someone who had bought it from Citibank), the balance, a statement of all charges, fees, and payments. But they don't provide that to you. they just keep saying you need to pay it or they will take you to court. They call you at work. They talk to your boss. They call your mother (even though you are 46).

I don't think that the majority of people who use credit plan on not paying it back. But then they lose their job or have a serious medical problem (which treatment for costs big time). They want to pay their debts, but the money is just not there.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:59 AM on 06/06/2009
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medical

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:12 AM on 06/06/2009
- ftc I'm a Fan of ftc 4 fans permalink

No one goes into this situation intentionally. Rich and poor find themselves unable to pay due diffrent circumstances. Loosing your good credit is the last thing you want to do. SO stop blaming people. These are tough times.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:38 AM on 06/06/2009
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Part 2. I show up at 'arbitration'. A lawyer calls out my name, says lets go outside. Says that the debt is mine, settle, don't ruin my life. I say the debt isn't mine. We go in front of the 3 lawyers. The attorney says I owe company $3400. I incurred it, abused credit, etc. I said I requested validation from company x, here's copy, certified mail card. They never validated, it's not mine. I hang out, the clerk says I won. This guy was there for 21 cases. 2 people showed up, and won. The other 19 - default judgements. I mentioned to the attorney how stupid it was for them to sue, and for him to think I would pay. He said he gets $80 per case, and wins the majority. I ran up against him 2 other times, and won.Flip side, collector left 87 messages in 90 days. They called work, cell, and home, stating have my attorney call, we're getting ready to file this, this is our umpteenth call. I sent the letter, nothing. They called during the 30 day no call period enforced when I sent the debt validation letter. I get attorney. On a $1895 debt they paid me $7400, half of which went to the attorney. They violated the laws. If you research things, and fight back, you can make these issues go away. I'm already disputing items on my report, and having them deleted. I'll be back to 700 in 6 months.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:06 AM on 06/06/2009
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This will be a long post, but read if you need help. Start at www.budhibbs.com or www.creditboards.com to see how debt collectors work, and how you can very easily make them go away. Five years ago my wife had spinal fusion surgery, and was off work for 5 months. During this time, she had no income. I tried reasoning with my credit overseers, but they didn't help much. Skip one payment, reduce another, etc. At the end of five months, it became necessary to pay for everything but the credit cards. My wife had to go back to work earlier just so we could keep treading water.
So, my score tanks after a few months. The lates, fees, and jacked up interest take over. Then my accounts are charged off. I get a collection letter. It says I owe. I dispute it. They don't validate the debt, they verify it. I do this each time. In PA, where I live, original creditors or debt collectors have four years to file suit. If they don't, they can't. As I approached the four year mark, I was sued three times. Scared and embarassed since the sheriff served me, I respond to the suit. I say I requested debt validation from company x, here's a copy, here's the certified mail return receipt card.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:03 AM on 06/06/2009
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Just say "I'm sorry but Mr. Han died"

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:35 AM on 06/06/2009
- julia23 I'm a Fan of julia23 27 fans permalink
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That doesn't always work. I had a housemate die and the debt collectors got really mean with me, even after I told them. Some even tried to tell me I was responsible, even though all I did was rent a house with him and other people. Bullies they were.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:20 AM on 06/06/2009
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The middle class deserves a National Usury Law now. Cap all interest rates at 15 - 18%.

USURY is just plain wrong. There is no excuse for allowing it to continue.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:28 AM on 06/06/2009

I think 12-15% cap is more reasonable.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:46 AM on 06/06/2009
- Isis N I'm a Fan of Isis N 13 fans permalink
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While we're at it, let's just keep it at a 10% cap.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:33 PM on 06/06/2009
- rughead23 I'm a Fan of rughead23 2 fans permalink

Predatory lending has come full circle. And after the billions in bailout monies these banks received they should stop the cycle they started by enticing everyone to buy into their easy money shenanagans.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:08 AM on 06/06/2009
- LeonBNJ I'm a Fan of LeonBNJ 23 fans permalink

We must demand our politicans to listen to us rather than those with money and change the laws to protect consumers including banning debt reselling and otherwise restrict debt collection to very strict methods.
If you are vunarable to debt collection, (or have some others that you don't want to talk to) get an answering machine which can allow you to screen calls, you can find one at your local discount store for as little as $10. Tell those you want to take calls from that you are using call screening and when they start talking pick up the phone. If it is collector or telemarketer or anyone else you don't want to deal with, then don't pick up the phone. Yes, it can be annoying at times, but it can help you keep your sanity.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:02 AM on 06/06/2009

Want to stop those harassing calls? Here's a easy cheap way of stopping them:
Buy yourself a good whistle,a sports or police whistle is best, then wait for the next call!
When someone calls you like a debt-collector lead the jerk on, then blow the whistle into the phone real hard and long! That particular person won't call you back!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:00 AM on 06/06/2009

A few years ago I was double-billed for a knee-brace. I paid the first bill, but refused to pay the second. Eventually, the medical equipment supply company did verify over the phone that their records were in error, but the bill had already been sent to a collection agency. For a while there, I was getting threatening letters and phone calls 2-3 times a week, and all of this over a $75.00 charge that I don't owe. From what I understand, there is no way for the medical equipment supply company to release the debt since it isn't 'theirs' anymore...

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:30 AM on 06/06/2009
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