Debt Collector Harassment: Coming To A Library Near You (VIDEO)

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First Posted: 06- 5-09 02:05 PM   |   Updated: 06- 5-09 04:16 PM

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Since last November, the Tompkins County Public Library in Ithaca, N.Y. has received a "cease and desist" order from an attorney general or a lawyer in some faraway state every few days. All the letters said basically same thing: Stop your harassment.

"It just became overwhelming," library director Janet Steiner told the Huffington Post. "I have no idea why they chose us."

Apparently a debt collector had been giving the library's address to people from whom it was aggressively trying to recover debt, and those people were handing the address over to their lawyers and local prosecutors.

Call legal threats to your local library a peculiar byproduct of the nationwide economic crisis and a burgeoning debt collection industry. In 2005, debt collectors recovered $51.4 billion nationwide. Two years later, that figure reached $57.9 billion, according to a study by PricewaterhouseCoopers for ACA International, a trade group for the debt industry.

"The story in the industry is that there's more and more debt available. The problem is, it's harder and harder to collect," said ACA spokesman John Nemo in an interview with the Huffington Post.

As collectors work harder and harder to recover debt from strapped consumers, some get creative, like Sunrise Credit Services, a company that trains employees how best to persuade people -- within the limits of the law -- to pay their debts to their clients.

But not all collectors are members of a reputable trade group: Some are just bullies. Debt collectors that break the law make a brisk business for lawyers who sue them.

"We're busier than we've ever been," said Brian Parker, a Michigan attorney with a practice suing debt collectors. Parker told the Huffington Post that since he started his practice in 2005, he's added about 50 more cases every year. This year, he said, "is going to be a banner year."

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The fastest growing part of the debt industry is in debt purchasing -- buying portfolios of bad debt outright, typically for five cents on the dollar or less, and trying to collect it for keeps, as opposed to recovering it for a creditor. Collectors recovered $6 billion in purchased debt in 2007, up from $2.3 billion in 2005. Ninety percent of the debt that collectors buy is in the form of charge-offs -- debt that credit card issuers don't think their customers will ever pay back. Charge-off rates hit a 20-year peak in April.

Richard Rubin is an attorney in New Mexico who is an expert on the Fair Debt Collection Practices Act.

"This whole idea of these credit card companies selling large portfolios of charged-off debt for a few pennies on the dollar and then putting these papers into the stream of commerce with people's names and social security numbers on them and the amount allegedly owed, and that's where most of the problems come in," Rubin told the Huffington Post. "They sell these accounts to these bottom feeders, and they get confused about who it is they're trying to go after. It's very easy to go after the wrong person."

ACA's Nemo said that the industry would benefit from regulation to prevent incomplete or incorrect info from changing hands. "We do want tighter standards and more regulation surrounding every debt transaction, meaning the creditor has to provide more information about the consumer," he said. (ACA membership includes both debt collectors and debt purchasers.)

Brian Parker said that debt purchasers are more likely to take shortcuts than normal collectors, even if they have accurate info.

"They seek and file on cases they know are bad with little or no info or proof the person they bug owes the debt," he wrote in an email. "Their model is to file on these knowing most debtors ignore the case, a default is entered and then the debt is resurrected as true because of the default. They lack the proof the person owes the debt or they may fudge it just to get the person on the hook. That happens a lot."

Jon Hann of Richmond, Va., has some experience with unscrupulous collectors. Hann got a call on his cell phone from an unfamiliar number last November. When a man introduced himself as "Officer Brian Smith of the ULPD," Hann was alarmed.

Officer Brian made some serious threats. Watch a video of Hann explaining what happened:



Officer Brian wasn't a cop. He was a debt collector with an outfit calling itself the "United Legal Processing Division," and he wanted Hann to repay a $500 online payday loan he'd taken out the previous February. For two months, the collector refused to give up, calling Hann at home and at work several times a day.

"It was a nightmare," Hann said.

The Fair Debt Collection Practices Act, among other things, prohibits collectors from making threats, harassment, misleading statements, and contacting third parties, like family members.

As far as Hann knew, he didn't owe any money. He said he contacted his lender, who confirmed that Hann had repaid the loan, along with its $90 fee, in two weeks. But the collector had every piece of personal information that Hann had given his lender.

A friend of Hann's wrote in a statement for Hann's lawyer that the collector had contacted him as well, saying that "he had tried to call [Hann] and got no answer and that he was going to be arrested that day and if I did not help because I was put as a contact that I would also be arrested and he would see me at the courts as well."

Hann did an internet search for "United Legal Processing Division" and found that it was under discussion at sites like ripoff.com. He got himself a lawyer.

Watch a video of Hann listening to threatening voicemails from his debt collectors:



The calls waned off after Hann began insisting that Officer Brian speak to his lawyer, Dale Pittman, who fired off a letter to the United Legal Processing Division at the New York address Officer Brian had given Hann.

"These folks realized Hann was not going to pay and just moved on to a more vulnerable person," said Pittman. "These are scofflaws that may not even be in America."

On Thursday, Hann called his former harassers to demand some closure. A man on the other end of the line made a half-hearted attempt to get some money out of Hann, then hurriedly hung up:



Pittman's letter to the ULPD arrived at the Tompkins County Public Library, where director Steiner and her staff either sent it back to the post office or threw it in the trash.

"I just can't imagine what these people are going through and thinking someone here at this address is going to sort this out," Steiner said.


HuffPost readers: Do you have a bizarre debt collector story? Do you work as a debt collector? Share your story with the Huffington Post. E-mail arthur@huffingtonpost.com.


Videos produced by Lagan Sebert of the American News Project.

Since last November, the Tompkins County Public Library in Ithaca, N.Y. has received a "cease and desist" order from an attorney general or a lawyer in some faraway state every few days. All the lette...
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- DubyaGump I'm a Fan of DubyaGump 40 fans permalink
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The email address is www.ripoffreport.com NOT ripoff.com, next time research it a little better!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:25 AM on 06/06/2009
- Bluedog12 I'm a Fan of Bluedog12 15 fans permalink

This is brought to you by the US Chamber of Commerce. Scumbags.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:21 AM on 06/06/2009

I am so glad these jerks are being exposed. Many people are not deadbeats. It is just that they have hit a period of bad times. These hoodlums refuse to work anything out with you and start to call neighnbors and do all manner of things. One poster is correct that they are off shore and have been traced to offices in the Bahamas and Grenada.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:59 AM on 06/06/2009
- WTF1956 I'm a Fan of WTF1956 3 fans permalink
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They tried that with my son a few years back. At first it scared the )(*& out of me, then I finally just told them to quit calling, they did after about a month. And yes child support is a completely different issue than credit card debt. I thought they abolished debtors prison with the establishment of the colony of Georgia way back when.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:49 AM on 06/06/2009
- Osusuki I'm a Fan of Osusuki 37 fans permalink

Bottom feeding debt collection companies, especially the ones who buy debt (which usually does not even exist) from other lenders, who bought it from other lenders, ad infinitum, need to be stopped in their tracks. This practice needs to be not only illegal, but also prosecuted to the full extent of the law EVERY TIME IT HAPPENS.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:17 AM on 06/06/2009
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Simple

"Before we go any further...what are you wearing? Do other men consider you pretty well hung? Do you live in our state?"

Seriously, no matter how much they try to get the subject back on track it will throw them for a loop especially if they are from another country. It's hilarious.

I had a few small debts back in the 90's and I paid the original people but the debt calls kept coming in. THEN I started with the s /e/x talk. They stopped.

Completely.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:28 AM on 06/06/2009
- TallyLass I'm a Fan of TallyLass 5 fans permalink
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Ahhhahahhhahhhahaha. That is so funny!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:58 AM on 06/06/2009
- Bongborg I'm a Fan of Bongborg 91 fans permalink
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If the people working this racket are American Republicans, however, that plan may backfire and you might start getting MORE calls.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:33 AM on 06/06/2009
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LOL :)

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:24 AM on 06/06/2009
- habajebe I'm a Fan of habajebe 18 fans permalink
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Yeah, closeted GOP wide-stancers.

"Meet me at midnight in the third stall of the restroom closest to the United Airlines kiosk and I will have the money for you. And a little something extra."

The next voicemail will say, "Where were you?"

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:19 AM on 06/06/2009
- GayIthacan I'm a Fan of GayIthacan 17 fans permalink

I always handle such calls the same way:

"I'm sorry - I can't talk right now. I'm off to visit my brother in prison. He was convicted of hunting down and attackiing some guy who kept calling him on the phone trying to collect money. Can you call back some other time?"

Works like a charm.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:16 AM on 06/06/2009
- Mikecoatl I'm a Fan of Mikecoatl 33 fans permalink
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LOL! I'll try that sometime! Maybe come up with something graphic being done to the other collector!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:56 AM on 06/06/2009

I can understand the contempt for a bill collector breaking the law or trying to collect something that has already been paid. But what is wrong with going after the people with charged off credit cards? In my opinion, it is good to pay your bills. A charged off account will negatively affect your credit score until you satisfy the debt. While it is true that any debt older than seven years must be cleared from your credit report, alot can happen in seven years. Who is to say that a significant portion of these debtors wouldn't want to resolve their debt when they are able.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:36 AM on 06/06/2009
- Imhotep40 I'm a Fan of Imhotep40 11 fans permalink
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What bank do you work for again, and how much are they paying you? Did you help lobby Congress to change the Bankruptcy law to exclude Credit Cards?

Fact is: Credit Reporting Corporations are a sham/scam industry, which violate Constitutional "Privacy" rights of U.S. Citizens . . . . .

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:25 AM on 06/06/2009
- TallyLass I'm a Fan of TallyLass 5 fans permalink
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alejandroish----
Eff the banks. Everyone in america has repaid the banks whether they owed them or not. Who do you owe? Cause most debt collectors should be calling themselves. They owe everybody too!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:07 AM on 06/06/2009
- ash711 I'm a Fan of ash711 4 fans permalink
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Someone working in the bill collecting business has to be miserable human being. Since all the banks don't know how to operate a bank and taxpayers bailed them out to the tune of trillions, I don't think I have to act morally or ethically when it comes to paying it. I love some of the people who want people to feel guilty cause they give the one finger salute to credit card companies. Unsecured debt is just that, good luck collecting it.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:06 AM on 06/06/2009
- Osusuki I'm a Fan of Osusuki 37 fans permalink

You, sir, are a walking target for a potential ad hominem attack. The financial services industry has already collected ten times what people owe in this country, and they still keep coming back for more. They are the lowest forms of human life. If you defend them, I applaud your Christianity, but I don't think much of your IQ.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:22 AM on 06/06/2009
- habajebe I'm a Fan of habajebe 18 fans permalink
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Religion doesn't have much to do with the debt collection industry, unless you are talking about the bastardized version some Republicans practice. As I recall, Jesus drove the moneylenders from the temple. And he was not their chauffeur.

Usury was once illegal in the country, before Ronnie Raygun and his ilk made greed a virtue. Perhaps it should be again.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:27 AM on 06/06/2009

Screw that FICA score.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:56 AM on 06/06/2009
- erinker I'm a Fan of erinker 22 fans permalink

Except that FICA score can make it harder for you to get a job or insurance!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:14 PM on 06/06/2009
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Anybody pay attention to the accents. Sounded a lot like Bangalore.

Maybe somebody calling you saying they are a cop with a Hindi accent. You can probably tone down your alarm meter.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:49 AM on 06/06/2009

I was thinking the exact same thing...some people are pretty gullible.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:28 AM on 06/06/2009
- XYZ I'm a Fan of XYZ 2 fans permalink

Very simple just don't answer your phone. Plain simple easy, remember it's your phone you can hang it up anytime someone starts to make threats. Don't worry they will call again, and nothing pisses off a debt collector more than when you just don't play their game. They will threaten to sue you but that never happens, and once the original creditor charges off the account most likely you can get it off you record by disputing the debt.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:21 PM on 06/05/2009

They do sue you. However, you have a right to ask that they provide legal proof that you owe them that money like an agreement with your signature. 90% of the time they cannot prove you owe the debt. Then you win. I got help from the Senior Law Center in Philly. I now have a letter to send to them to remove the debt from my credit report.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:23 AM on 06/06/2009
- babybelle I'm a Fan of babybelle 5 fans permalink

Who is moderating the comments ?
A 12 year old ????

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:11 PM on 06/05/2009
- GEM-592 I'm a Fan of GEM-592 7 fans permalink

an army of 12 year olds.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:28 AM on 06/06/2009

Debt collection: that is where the jobs must be!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:30 PM on 06/05/2009

I always tell them that I'm sorry they cant get a real job. Then I ask them if they have ever seen grown man naked.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:24 PM on 06/05/2009
- mat3 I'm a Fan of mat3 9 fans permalink

I ask them what are they wearing.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:29 PM on 06/05/2009
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It's fun to try and convert them to random religions, too.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:27 AM on 06/06/2009
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Debt purchasing is certainly something that needs to be outlawed.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:52 PM on 06/05/2009
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Definitely. One thing I want to know is why I have to pay 100 cents on the dollar, but if the lender doesn't think I'm going to pay it they'll sell it to someone else for 5 cents on the dollar. Why not let ME pay them that?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:18 AM on 06/06/2009
- dsws I'm a Fan of dsws 13 fans permalink
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Reselling debt isn't just something done with the debts of hapless consumers: corporate debt consists of bonds, which are intended to be resold. And they don't sell at face value: honest lenders have to cover their losses to non-payment too. Good debt might be worth 99 cents on the dollar instead of five cents for shady dealings like this, but there's still a default rate taken into account when debt is resold.

What should be outlawed is reselling debt to collections agencies.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:42 AM on 06/06/2009
- habajebe I'm a Fan of habajebe 18 fans permalink
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Beacuse it's a scam. Our vaunted legislators have made the scam quasi-legal, and benefit from the inevitable campaign contributions. We, the consumer, get screwed. It's the American Way.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:41 AM on 06/06/2009
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Agreed. If the original creditor can't collect it, they should sue the debtor or write it off and report it to the credit agencies. And then that should be the end of it.

The idea that a second-hand collector legitimately holds the debt is ridiculous.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:36 AM on 06/06/2009
- lynjs I'm a Fan of lynjs 33 fans permalink
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To stop this is easy. Make it against the law for places of business to sell their debt. It is so simple that it isn't funny. If they really want their money that bad, they will compromise with the person that owes the debt. If that person can't pay, leave them alone. It is basic common sense, something that is lost on people for some reason.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:02 PM on 06/05/2009

I agree. Something similar happened to me and they were horrible people to deal with.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:08 PM on 06/05/2009

i agree also. Some of these places call on debts past the 7 yr limit. these debts should not be sold, period.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:19 PM on 06/05/2009
- Samalabear I'm a Fan of Samalabear 71 fans permalink
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Yes, I don't get this either. It's very simple. There should be an end to these companies, pure and simple. In the Dateline series the one agency that was threatening people was run by ex-cons with serious felony records -- real street thugs. There should be an end to debt-selling. It is an nightmare for a consumer. Even if you have been through a bankruptcy these places will still go after you years later. You never know when they're going to hit. And when they do send you something it's almost impossible to figure out who the original creditor is. It's time to throw these people out of business.

I really believe that most people are responsible and want to pay their debts and the only reason they seriously default is because they're in serious trouble.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:10 PM on 06/05/2009
- DawnK I'm a Fan of DawnK 18 fans permalink

It takes a special person to be able to make some of these calls. Its one thing if somebody owes on a BMW but they call people who owe thousands upon thousands on hospital bills and have families. It takes a cold hearted jerk. The only people I have ever known to be debt collectors didn't even graduate high school.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:38 PM on 06/05/2009
- Meggie I'm a Fan of Meggie 98 fans permalink
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This is right on. They do not get the full amount from a collection agency anyway.
These people are something else, though. Since the loan was already paid in full, and the original company readily says so, then how do these groups get so much of a person's information? This seems like a shortcoming with the original corporation that played fast and loose with this man's personal information.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:40 PM on 06/05/2009
- slipthalo I'm a Fan of slipthalo 6 fans permalink
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Totally agree! I was evidently 'sold' to a debt collector for something evidently not paid over 5 years ago. They didn't make much money off the account as it was for a total balance of $1.15! When I found it on my credit report, I called and said I had a cancelled check for that amount showing payment to the hospital so where could I send a copy to get it taken off. Answer: they won't accept the check so the record still shows.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:08 PM on 06/05/2009
- camanokat I'm a Fan of camanokat 10 fans permalink
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All you need to do is send a copy of BOTH sides of the cancelled check, copy of your credit report and copy of photo ID showing your current address and a letter explaining the circumstances to all 3 major bureaus. In a couple of months it will be corrected.

Include your contact info and SS# in the letter to the bureaus (TransUnion, EquiFax and Experian).

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:09 AM on 06/06/2009
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