Obama In Dresden Calls On International Community To "Redouble" Efforts For 2-State Solution

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MARK S. SMITH | 06/ 5/09 09:50 PM | AP

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WEIMAR, Germany — President Barack Obama absorbed the stark horrors memorialized at the Buchenwald concentration camp Friday and said the lesson for the modern world is vigilance against evil, against subjugation of the weak and against the "cruelty in ourselves."

Obama honored the 56,000 who died at the Nazi camp and the thousands who survived. He invoked, too, his great-uncle, who helped liberate a Buchenwald satellite prison in 1945 and came back a haunted man.

"More than half a century later, our grief and our outrage over what happened have not diminished." Obama said after witnessing the crematory ovens, barbed-wire fences, guard towers and the clock set at 3:15, marking the moment of the camp's liberation by the U.S. Army in the afternoon of April 11, 1945.

He challenged Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad, who has expressed doubts that 6 million Jews died at the hands of the Nazis, to visit, too.

"To this day, there are those who insist the Holocaust never happened," Obama said. "This place is the ultimate rebuke to such thoughts, a reminder of our duty to confront those who would tell lies about our history."

The president said he saw _ reflected in the Nazi brutality against Jews and the other impounded outcasts _ Israel's capacity to empathize with the suffering of others. He said that gave him more hope Israel and the Palestinians can achieve an equitable and lasting peace.

Toward that elusive goal, Obama is sending special envoy George J. Mitchell back to the Middle East next week. The president's outreach to Islam in his Cairo speech a day earlier was well received in the Muslim world and he is hoping that will make progress more possible in the intractable dispute at the core of Muslim and Arab anger toward the U.S. and the West.

For Obama, the visit on a chilly, overcast day was a touchstone of his ancestry.

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Obama's great uncle, Charlie Payne, was among troops of the 89th Infantry Division who liberated a nearby subcamp, Ohrdruf, the same month.

"He returned from his service in a state of shock," Obama said, "saying little and isolating himself for months on end from family and friends." Payne bore "painful memories that would not leave his head."

The president said Buchenwald "teaches us that we must be ever-vigilant about the spread of evil in our own time, that we must reject the false comfort that others' suffering is not our problem, and commit ourselves to resisting those who would subjugate others to serve their own interests."

He added: "It's also important for us, I think, to remember that the perpetrators of such evil were human, as well, and that we have to guard against cruelty in ourselves."

Obama was the first U.S. president to tour Buchenwald. In 2003, a tearful President George W. Bush visited the Auschwitz concentration camp in Poland, which his father saw in 1987 as vice president. Obama noted Dwight D. Eisenhower, then Allied commander and a future president, saw Ohrdruf and demanded everything there be documented lest allied accounts of the atrocities be dismissed as propaganda.

Obama privately met several Buchenwald survivors on the eve of the 65th anniversary of the Allies' landing at Normandy, France, that led to the crushing of Nazi Germany. He toured the remains of the hillside compound with Chancellor Angela Merkel and Nobel Peace Prize winner Elie Wiesel, who was once a starving teenager in the camp.

The victims at Buchenwald included some 11,000 Jews, but also communists, Gypsies and other minorities from across central Europe.

One by one, the president, Merkel, Wiesel and Buchenwald survivor Bertrand Herz placed pale yellow roses on a metal plaque known as the Living Memorial, kept permanently at body temperature as a monument to the victims.

Obama, in a dark suit and red tie, wore a torn red ribbon as a sign of mourning.

Huddled in conversation, he and the others walked between rows of barracks where inmates were worked to exhaustion before dying of starvation or disease, or tortured in grisly experiments, or lined up and shot.

Today, the barracks are just foundation and rubble _ preserved as testimony.

Obama remarked on the contrast with the bucolic setting: rolling, wooded hills where power turbines turn gently in the wind.

"If only these trees could talk," Wiesel said to him.

At the base of Buchenwald's hill, the four placed more roses at a monument to victims of Little Camp, Buchenwald's most notorious compound.

After the tour, Obama visited troops being treated at the Landstuhl U.S. military hospital for wounds suffered in the Iraq and Afghanistan wars. He then flew to Paris to reunite with his family, meet French President Nicolas Sarkozy on Saturday and commemorate the D-Day anniversary.

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AP White House Correspondent Jennifer Loven in Dresden, and Associated Press writers David Rising and Geir Moulson in Berlin, Melissa Eddy in Dresden and Jochen Wiesigel in Ohrdruf contributed to this report.

WEIMAR, Germany — President Barack Obama absorbed the stark horrors memorialized at the Buchenwald concentration camp Friday and said the lesson for the modern world is vigilance against evil, a...
WEIMAR, Germany — President Barack Obama absorbed the stark horrors memorialized at the Buchenwald concentration camp Friday and said the lesson for the modern world is vigilance against evil, a...
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- regellner I'm a Fan of regellner 423 fans permalink
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Israel must make one of two choices: either the 2-state solution, or they need to give Palestinians full and equal say in the Israeli government as well as full civil rights in Israel.

Following is an article concerning Obama's speech in Egypt:

http://www.examiner.com/x-11326-Charlotte-Liberal-Examiner~y2009m6d5-President-Obamas-speech-brings-hope-of-peace-through-understanding


Raymond Gellner – Charlotte Liberal Examiner at Examiner.com
http://www.examiner.com/x-11326-Charlotte-Liberal-Examiner
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    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:15 PM on 06/05/2009
- swan1 I'm a Fan of swan1 9 fans permalink

Thank GOD Bebe and Cheney were not in power at the same time. The earth would no longer exist.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:48 PM on 06/05/2009

We all need to be reminded of our blessings, and President Obama's trip brings it home to me. I cannot imagine knowing that my family were rounded up like animals and deprived of any kindness. How could a parent or a child process the information that their family members were being tormented and tortured, starved and humiliated all while being separated from those who might offer the slightest of comforts.

I have never been able to wrap my mind around how people can be so cruel and indifferent to the suffering of others. Are monsters born or created?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:38 PM on 06/05/2009

Clearly, Obama is a national treasure when he is on the road. He says the right things and looks good for the camera. makes us proud yes? So why can't he get out of bed with the crooks and cronies who not only brought on our current financial melt down, but are prospering from it? why does he also give them a place in his administration? We are not going to be able to stop this are we!?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:52 PM on 06/05/2009
- skialethia I'm a Fan of skialethia 134 fans permalink
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Good point.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:17 PM on 06/06/2009
- cobobs I'm a Fan of cobobs 31 fans permalink
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Tsunami of pressure on Bibi to yield to two state solution, and most of that pressure will be coming mid year from the Israelis themselves.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:28 PM on 06/05/2009
- FOM I'm a Fan of FOM permalink

I know he's not the liberal, leftwing dream president but I do really really like what he is doing for America.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:06 PM on 06/05/2009
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Looks like Merkel needs a shoulder rub.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:03 PM on 06/05/2009
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The occupation is used as an excuse for terrorism

Terrorism is used as an excuse for occupation

Every single time an agreement is reached to halt violence - there is a period of quiet. And no actual progress is made that impacts the lives of the Palestinians.

And the cycle continues . . .

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:00 PM on 06/05/2009
- skialethia I'm a Fan of skialethia 134 fans permalink
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True.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:19 PM on 06/06/2009
- nohamasmas I'm a Fan of nohamasmas 3 fans permalink

Rather than the president of Iran.....Obama should have brought the leader of the PA, Mahmood Abbas to the concentration camp. I say this as the FACT is ...Abbas..the second in command of the PLO for 40 years....wrote his thesis on ..Holocaust denial!!! Again..that is a true fact!!!! What hypocrisy that Obama let this guy skate under the radar- when he is supposed to deal directly with the Israelis to make peace!!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:47 PM on 06/05/2009
- arle I'm a Fan of arle 29 fans permalink

No, actually, it's a lie. You have no links, no sources, no nothing. Even the notion that Ahmedinejad is a holocaust denier is a lie. These rather intelligent articles lays it out very well.
http://www.arbeiterfotografie.de/iran/index-iran-0013.html
http://www.arbeiterfotografie.com/iran/index-iran-0037.html

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:51 AM on 06/06/2009
- BushBites I'm a Fan of BushBites 31 fans permalink

The "road map" was a sham.

But told Sharon "Don't worry. We won't hold you to it."

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:46 PM on 06/05/2009
- skialethia I'm a Fan of skialethia 134 fans permalink
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"Bush" told Sharon and you're absolutely right!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:20 PM on 06/06/2009
- FairTalk I'm a Fan of FairTalk 18 fans permalink
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The destruction of Dresden was evil. I believe it was pure revenge.

However, in the end, we aided Germany, and the german people, we lent a hand, as feeble and political as it was, and helped Germany rebuild.

Not so what we did in China, where we aided and abetted, and provided material support to Japan, as it conducted two wars against Chine in the 1930s alone. Bombing civilian populations, raping and pillaging, and using both chemicals and biological wepons. Now, I am sure the US had some "stragic" reason, (excuse) for coluding with Japan, just as we did when we coluded with Osama bin Laden in Afghanistan. But, in the end, the enemise of our "enimies" are NOT our friends, and in the end, both Japan and Osama bin Laden stabbed us in the Back. Japan with Pearl harbour and bin Laden with 9/11.

When will we ever learn?

Obama may be trying to reach a crompromise, but the US people must commit to changing its hostile mentality torwards those who live differently than we do.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:15 PM on 06/05/2009
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"The destruction of Dresden was evil. I believe it was pure revenge."

Yes I know, I was there in the slaughterhouse along with poor old Edgar Derby

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:50 PM on 06/05/2009
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So if Dresden was evil, perhaps you will also conclude that the night after night blitz bombing of London was also evil. London had no factories either, it was purely civilians that were targeted. War is hell, for both sides

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:32 PM on 06/06/2009
- beck I'm a Fan of beck 3 fans permalink

The bombing of Dresden was probably unnecessary. These impulses to destroy are not new. The American military allowed the looting of the National Museum of Iraq during the invasion. When the Dutch invaded Poland they smashed all the church organs and other instruments they could find.
Chopin fled Poland because of the mayhem of invasions. One of his pianos was with his sister and the invaders threw it out the window. This kind of stuff is a rape of a the soul of a nation.
All nations lose when this happens.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:34 PM on 06/05/2009
- lizr I'm a Fan of lizr 241 fans permalink
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Good post- t hanks for this.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:23 PM on 06/05/2009

The last paragraph in your comment is very true about the US people. Key words: "commit" and "changing."

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:34 PM on 06/05/2009

I agree Fair Talk about reaching out to those who live differently than we do. We should reach out to Islamic Fundamentalist terrorists. We should understand the suicide bombers and invite them to our homes to get to know them better. We should embrace the corrupt tyrannical countries that are the Arab anti Democratic regimes who exercise an iron fisted rule over an populace that are basically subjugated and largely kept impoverished & illiterate by the oil sheiks who live in ostentatious palaces & fly in Playboy Bunnies to party with while they teach their flock that the infidels and especially the Jews are apes and pigs. We should embrace their treatment of gays and subjugation of women & their desire to impose sharia law on the entire world putting an end to modernity, the age of reason and enlightenment, Democracy and all religious freedom and tolerance of "the other" in one fell swoop. We should respect their stoning to death of women who commit adultery and their constant threats and wars to drive Israel into the sea and murder all the Jews, or their financing of terrorism and inciting terrorist acts against Jews, Israel, the West & all Americans. These are all wonderful societies and cultures that we should embrace, love and encourage while they struggle to drag the world back to their Mediaeval mindset.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:37 PM on 06/05/2009
- mamala4 I'm a Fan of mamala4 53 fans permalink
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The Israeli's need to get on board here or they will be all alone out there.....they have had it both ways for way too long....as an MOT I am not please with Bibi's refusal to stop moving into the settlements....if you want peace, you must negotiate, not order others around....

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:13 PM on 06/05/2009
- ArtsyJane I'm a Fan of ArtsyJane 8 fans permalink

Haha, what a funny picture. Middle aged powerhouse women have a problem with Obama, it is so obvious. I wonder why that is?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:06 PM on 06/05/2009

There is nothing funny about this picture. The only people who have a problem with our President is you ArtsyJane and millions of others in the USA.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:38 PM on 06/05/2009
- Adam11 I'm a Fan of Adam11 4 fans permalink

I watch the MSM and i say to ma self " how dumb are the Americans, to listen all day every day these spoon fed, BS, called NEWS"...

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:31 AM on 06/05/2009
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You say "I watch MSM" and then say how dummb are the Americans to listen to...

Do you see the problem here?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:50 PM on 06/05/2009
- nohamasmas I'm a Fan of nohamasmas 3 fans permalink

Then why are YOU watching it??? Oprah's on in a couple of hours!! There's also Spongebob Squarepants!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:51 PM on 06/05/2009
- RJII I'm a Fan of RJII 77 fans permalink
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I can't watch too much of it anymore also. Obama siad he doesn't listem to cable news cause it doesn't inform or help him. He said its like the WWW of news-- they all got their parts to play and they've rehersed thier role for the moment.

For it has too many of the same "inside the Beltway" people sparring each day. I'd like to hear regular folks opinion sprinkled in the mix.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:15 PM on 06/05/2009
- ddDinah I'm a Fan of ddDinah 22 fans permalink

So, when is Obama going to KEEP his promise to bring our troops home? His silence is deafening. We've heard him speak more often about our continued war in Afghanistan, I feel he’s ignoring his commitment to our troops in Iraq, his promise WAS HE WOULD START TO BRING OUR TROOPS HOME. The back lash will be great if he doesn’t do EXACTLY as he promised in regard to our troops. Americans are losing patience in this matter.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:02 AM on 06/05/2009
- SuzyQ08 I'm a Fan of SuzyQ08 28 fans permalink

It can't happen overnight. People need to have patience.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:32 AM on 06/05/2009
- peaceplez I'm a Fan of peaceplez 4 fans permalink

He gave specific dates yesterday.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:33 AM on 06/05/2009
- ArtsyJane I'm a Fan of ArtsyJane 8 fans permalink

Huh? What are you talking about? Troops are going to be retrieved progressively starting this summer and until 2012. It's all laid out. There's no silence.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:09 PM on 06/05/2009
- lj9283 I'm a Fan of lj9283 67 fans permalink
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And the plan as has been set matches the plan he outlined in his campaign. So many people are delusional about what was promised during the campaign.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:06 PM on 06/05/2009
- Khirad I'm a Fan of Khirad 273 fans permalink
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I never believed it all. Be realistic. Give him patience. He's doing the best he can.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:12 PM on 06/05/2009
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Ummmm, that was one of the first timelines given after announcing the closure of Guatanamo. Pay attention.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:13 PM on 06/05/2009
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