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GREG KELLER | 06/ 4/09 07:28 PM | AP

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Relatives hug during a mass for victims of Air France flight 447 that was reported missing on its way from Rio de Janeiro to Paris, at a church in Rio de Janeiro, Thursday, June 4, 2009. Air France has told families of passengers on Sunday's flight that the jetliner broke apart and they must abandon hope that anyone survived, a grief counselor said Thursday as Brazilian ships neared debris bobbing in the Atlantic. (AP Photo/Silvia Izquierdo)

PARIS — A reservation mix-up, an overbooking and a Brazilian cabbie's passion for soccer are all that saved some would-be passengers on Air France flight 447 from the fate of 228 others who lost their lives in the mid-Atlantic.

The survivors say their relief is overshadowed by the immense sense of loss they feel for those who didn't make it.

"It feels miraculous and sad at the same time," said Amina Benouargha-Jaffiol, who tried to get on the flight Sunday night, even enlisting a diplomat friend to try to pressure Air France to let her and her husband on.

"Of course, at some level we feel lucky, but we also feel an enormous sadness for all those who perished," she said.

For some it was a simple matter of arriving at Rio's airport late; for Andrej Aplinc, it was because he got there early.

The 39-year-old Slovenian sailor and father of two was spared because his cab driver was in a hurry to see a soccer match.

With time to spare at the airport, Aplinc, who was supposed to take Flight 447, learned there was no seat on the plane with enough legroom for him to stretch out his bum knee. But since he'd arrived early, he was able to board an earlier 4 p.m. Air France flight, which did have a roomy seat.

"It was such huge luck that I flew with that earlier plane," Aplinc said from his home in Radelj Ob Dravi in northeastern Slovenia.

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Gustavo Ciriaco was scheduled to be on that 4 p.m. flight. But he arrived late at the check-in and was told airline agents could not find his seat and the gate was about to close.

The 39-year-old Brazilian choreographer and dancer was on his way to Europe for two weeks of rehearsals for his next ballet, and had a connecting flight to catch in Paris.

Ciriaco pleaded to be let him on the plane, and finally the airline discovered the seating error and relented.

If the reservation mix-up hadn't been resolved, "I would have tried to take the following flight because I would have arrived in Paris with enough time to catch my connection," Ciriaco said.

The next flight? Air France 447.

"Survivors" like these often need psychological counseling, said Guillaume Denoix de Saint-Marc, whose father was among the 170 people killed in 1989 when Libyan terrorists downed UTA Flight 772 with a suitcase bomb. He now heads an association that helps victims of airline disasters.

"They can have big psychological problems. We meet a lot of people like that," said Denoix de Saint-Marc, who was asked by French authorities to counsel relatives of the victims of Flight 447 at a crisis center at Paris' airport.

In the case of UTA flight 772, some of the pilots and cabin crew who had flown the French DC-10 jetliner before handing it over to the doomed crew "couldn't resume their careers," Denoix de Saint-Marc said.

"They lost their flying licenses because of big psychological problems or alcoholism," he said.

Such traumas have a name: "Survivors' syndrome," seen often in combat and other crisis situations in which those who make it feel as though they fled, deserted their buddies or were cowardly, said psychiatrist Ronan Orio.

But being saved by the ticket counter, traffic or other caprices of life should not be considered traumatic, said Orio, who has worked with victims of hostage situations, terror attacks and airline crashes.

Instead, near-miss situations should be viewed in a positive light, he said.

"People who take a plane and have a second chance win the lotto. They have the right to continue where the others died," he said.

Benouargha-Jaffiol and her husband Claude Jaffiol got a second chance last Sunday.

The couple, who live in Montpellier, France, had pulled strings to try to get on Flight 447, even drafting a family friend, a Dutch diplomat, to phone Air France and try to get them seats on the overcrowded plane.

"My husband demanded that Air France put us on that flight," Benouargha-Jaffiol said. "But nothing doing, the flight was totally full."

She and her husband finally left the airport, returning Monday after the disaster.

"This type of tragedy should give us all a lesson in humility and humanism," she said. "No one lives forever. We often forget that."

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Associated Press writers Ali Zerdin in Ljubljana, Slovenia; Hubert Vialatte in Montpellier, France, and Elaine Ganley in Paris contributed to this report.

PARIS — A reservation mix-up, an overbooking and a Brazilian cabbie's passion for soccer are all that saved some would-be passengers on Air France flight 447 from the fate of 228 others who lost...
PARIS — A reservation mix-up, an overbooking and a Brazilian cabbie's passion for soccer are all that saved some would-be passengers on Air France flight 447 from the fate of 228 others who lost...
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Survivor's Guilt is also well-documented in Holocaust survivors. My husband was a Viet Nam vet and much of his depression came from guilt for simply surviving when so many others did not.

Empathy is one of the things that makes us human.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:11 PM on 06/06/2009
- ritz I'm a Fan of ritz permalink

I was due to be on the roof of the WTC South Tower at 8AM that Tuesday in September. We were shooting a commercial for NYC Tourism. Because they were shuffling around so many tourist sites in the 5 day shoot, late Monday night they switched the World Trade Center from Tuesday the 11th to Wednesday the 12th. Instead of being on the roof, we were at the Botanical Gardens.

The survivors guilt is a very heavy burden that I still have trouble talking about. When people said things like "God was looking out for you" it made me sick. Does that mean that "He" wasn't looking out for the other 3,000? Didn't he love them too? That kind of stuff made me crazy.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:22 PM on 06/06/2009
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Sounds like it wasn't your turn yet.

Anyway, we, the living, are glad to have you still with us.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:19 PM on 06/06/2009
- LHibbard I'm a Fan of LHibbard 2 fans permalink

Does anyone remember American Airlines Flight 191, which was thirty years ago? It went down in a field outside Chicago's O'Hare Airport, killing all on board and two on the ground. I bring this up because I know of two people who were supposed to be on that flight but for some reason or other ended up on other flights. One was Michele McBride, who barely survived the fire at Our Lady of the Angels School in 1958 and was flying to Los Angeles to promote the book she had written about the fire. It wasn't known how she felt about averting the tragedy, and she passed away in 2001 of chronic conditions she had as a result of the fire. The other person was the ex-wife of a man I babysat for at the time of the crash. For hours he couldn't get any information of her wherabouts until she called a few hours later to let him know she was all right. I don't know how she reacted to the near miss as well.

How can anyone deal with something like this - by all means they should be dead but aren't because the caught another plane, or took a different route home from work and missed a deadly crash, or, like this video I saw on YouTube, duck into a bar and miss being hit by lightning a couple of seconds later? We have to - for ourselves and those who love us.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:43 PM on 06/05/2009
- BlueZoo I'm a Fan of BlueZoo 43 fans permalink

There's just something sickening about reporters going after would-be passengers who missed a plane that crashed. There are 228 grieving families out there not knowing what happened to their loved ones and reading this must make them feel even worse. I wish the MSM wouldn't report this sort of thing!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:13 PM on 06/05/2009
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I am curious about the black boxes. Couldn't they be put in a protective package that woud, if submerged, blast away from the airplane and float to the surface?

And then maybe send a homing radio signal so that they could be found?

This shouldn't be that challenging.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:51 PM on 06/05/2009

There are a fortunate few who avoided the fate of this AF flight. But there are 228 who sadly, heartbreakingly, didn’t. And IMO that should probably be the focus of news articles, especially in light of the seemingly often contradictory and confusing information coming forth from this investigation. If what is NOW being reported, that debris found is not that of the AF flight, then basically four days have been lost especially in terms of finding the CVR and FDR with that 30 day limit ticking away-which with all of the aircraft technical questions still looming and seemingly unanswered, is going to be the controversial element in solving this incident.

It seems that S&R efforts are being directed assuming the flight path was as planned/filed, direct from the INTOL waypoint to the TASIL waypoint. But I don’t buy that assumption with an 11,000 flight hour highly experienced Captain in that cockpit who would have IMO most likely been diverting away from that FP and picking his way through that weather system to avoid the serious weather, since he had reported that he was “flying through an area of CB’s”.

CNN had an excellent interview and news article today with US NTSB former Managing Director Peter Goelz. IMO that’s recommended reading, and many share his thoughts. Maybe it’s time to get Mr. Goelz in on this investigation as a primary consultant (there were Americans on board that AF flight)?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:36 PM on 06/05/2009
- Yamunation I'm a Fan of Yamunation 3 fans permalink

It doesnt' seem like the these folks are the focus of the media. It's just one story, and a nice one at that. Most of the media reports seem to be solely focused on the accident, and the search mission.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:22 PM on 06/05/2009
- yannb I'm a Fan of yannb 12 fans permalink

On July 30, 1998, I was scheduled to visit my parents in Brittany. I lived in the US at the time, and had just spent one week with friends of mine in the city of Lyon (in eastern France). I had found a convenient flight from Lyon to Lorient in Brittany, just an hour away drive from my parents. It was scheduled to leave early in the afternoon. At lunch, my friends and I got a bit too much to drink, and we didn't make it to the aiport on time. I missed the flight by 15 minutes.
At 4:00pm, while flying over the island of Quiberon, the pilot decided to lower the altitude of the aircraft so the passengers could watch a big cruise ship that was sailing in the bay. He wasn't able to avoid a small private plane flying in the same zone. All perished (2 from the private plane, 15 from the commercial plane). Two babies, three children, and a pregnant woman were among the victims. One family alone lost their son, his pregnant wife, and their two kids. The average age of the victims was 22 years (I was 21 in 1998).
It took me months to get over the disaster. I think about it almost every single day.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:25 PM on 06/05/2009
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Yours is a chilling story. Thanks for sharing--and peace to you.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:53 PM on 06/05/2009
- Javida I'm a Fan of Javida 25 fans permalink

I imagine the poor pilot got clearance from the control tower before descending to another altitiude for the purpose of passengers' viewing the cruise ship. Tragic in any estimation but particularly because the viewing, though out of the pilot's kindness, was not necessary and the tragedy could have been avoided.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:53 PM on 06/06/2009

To see the eclipses of Sun and Moon; to see the capture of wild elephants and snakes; and to see the poverty of the wise, is to see that the power of fate is always supreme.

(Hindu proverb)

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:10 PM on 06/05/2009
- DWX I'm a Fan of DWX permalink

Just like the movie "Destination".

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:50 PM on 06/05/2009
- ubeman I'm a Fan of ubeman 4 fans permalink

Flying is safer than all other forms of transportation, except that when my car breaks down, everybody does'nt automatically have to perish. I wish that, with all the advances in engineering we have, we could'nt find a way to equip planes with a parachuet or something that would improve your chances of surviving. I know I'd gladly pay an extra $100-$200 per ticket to fly on a plane with improved safety features. Lets get flight into the 21st Century...and my sympathies to those who lost loved ones on this tragic flight.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:36 PM on 06/05/2009
- Indy 44 I'm a Fan of Indy 44 17 fans permalink
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No matter what you spend for an airline ticket, and no matter what new safety features are added, there will always be the unalterable law of gravity. Can't buy your way out of the truth that what goes up will come down. Just enjoy the statistical reality that commercial aviation has a remarkable success rate of getting everyone down safely (even when something does go wrong).

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:50 PM on 06/05/2009
- plzchuteme I'm a Fan of plzchuteme 30 fans permalink
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There is such a plane. It was developed and is being manufactured by the Cirrus Aircraft Co, in Duluth, MN. They are manufacturers of smaller general aviation type aircraft. Much easier to provide a parachute for a two-four seater than for an Airbus, though.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:52 PM on 06/05/2009

Most airplane crashes happen very quickly and at low altitude where parachutes would be of no benefit. Disasters such as this Air France (apparently) involve the aircraft breaking apart in midair, or fires on board would be very difficult to outdo.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:14 PM on 06/05/2009

I think the difficult part would be the a lot of people(or everyone) would be unconsciou­s...someon­e commented on another article mentioning that they probably had 10 seconds or so of clear thought before their thinking went fuzzy and then they became unconscious.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:01 PM on 06/05/2009
- Javida I'm a Fan of Javida 25 fans permalink

Flight 447 lost air pressure, according to the auto error messages, so the passengers may have (hopefully) lost consciousness before the disaster. No added security can help in a diaster like this one. God bless all the souls that perished. May they rest in peace.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:56 PM on 06/06/2009
- Tugar I'm a Fan of Tugar 33 fans permalink
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THIS IS SUCH A TRAGIC LOSS FOR ALL WHO WERE ON THAT PLANE, AS WELL AS FOR THEIR FAMILIES !

BUT WHEN YOU THINK OF THOSE WHO WERE SPARED BECAUSE OF "FLIGHT INFO MIX-UPS," I CANNOT GET IT OUT OF MY MIND ANYWAY, - THE OLD SAYING:

"IT JUST WASN'T THEIR TIME !"

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:33 PM on 06/05/2009

I wish Mrs Benouargha-Jaffiol and her husband had been successful in their diplomat-level pursuit to be seated on that flight. The world could do with a few less people who use their high-powered friends to make special demands.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:19 PM on 06/05/2009

The world could certainly do with less people like you - people with no compassion and such cruel, heartless thoughts for someone they don't even know; situations they don't even know. Do you even understand that psychomatic?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:54 PM on 06/05/2009

Is it any more logical to have compassionate thoughts for someone I don't even know?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:22 PM on 06/05/2009
- flydoghead I'm a Fan of flydoghead 32 fans permalink
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It is called , "racing to meet the devil"

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:17 PM on 06/05/2009

I worked in a company that I absolutely despised a few years ago. I despised my duties in my small group within that company. I mostly despised my boss. I think the other people did not care for her either. I decided that there was no way that I was going to continue working in that company and especially in that group after a few months. I left before 1 year of work there. I think that all of the people in that small group left that group around the same time. The boss was moved to another part of the company shortly after I left.

I now am happily self-employed.

I think that after I left that group, a completely new bunch of people entered that group. Some people working in and with that group were on that flight. I did not know them.

I guess I could have been on that flight. However I am not emotionally or mentally affected at all. I am thankful for my life up to this point. I intend on enjoying it for as long as I am alive. I figure once my time comes, it comes. However I do my best to have a long, safe and good life everyday, especially after having had worked in that company.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:14 PM on 06/05/2009
- Xander I'm a Fan of Xander 4 fans permalink

If these people feel so bad about surviving, there's a real easy way to fix it. I promise. Go check out the David Carradine articles for clues. Survivor's Syndrome. What a crock.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:08 PM on 06/05/2009
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Wow. Do you lay awake thinking about ways to be an ignorant jerk?

Survivors guilt is a very real thing. Perhaps you should consider study before speaking.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:04 PM on 06/05/2009
- Javida I'm a Fan of Javida 25 fans permalink

Cocky a..h...

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:05 PM on 06/06/2009
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