Ben Nelson Says He Won't Filibuster Public Health Care Plan

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First Posted: 06- 8-09 05:13 PM   |   Updated: 07- 9-09 05:12 AM

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Senator Ben Nelson, one of the key figures in the health care reform fight, has told a local official in his state that he could support cloture on a public plan for insurance coverage even if he opposed the bill itself.

The Nebraska Democrat, who has skeptically approached the idea of a government or publicly-run insurance program, additionally told state Democrats not to assume that he will oppose such a proposal in a final reform package.

"He's not against anything right now," said Bud Pettigrew, the chair of county chairs for the Nebraska Democratic Party, who fielded a phone call from Nelson on Monday. "But he does want to read the plans that come out first and then make a judgment."

"He is open to some type of government plan but he wants to see the details first," Pettigrew added. "He wishes the liberals would give him a chance."

And yet, even if Nelson were to oppose the final bill, his vote may not hold as much significance as expected. According to Pettigrew, the senator said he will not be the 60th Senator to sustain a filibuster on a bill that he ultimately would oppose. "If it comes to cloture I would vote for it," Nelson said, according to Pettigrew. "I will not be the deciding vote."

Asked for clarification, the senator's office offered a somewhat watered-down but largely concurring statement.

"Regarding cloture, the Senator's position is that he may support cloture even if he doesn't support some provisions of the underlying bill," said Jake Thompson, a spokesman for Nelson. "It is impossible to know how he will vote until he sees an actual bill, but it is correct to assume that he may support cloture even if he doesn't agree with some of the provisions of the bill."

The remarks come as Nelson has attempted to assuage concerns from Nebraska's small but vocal progressive community over the way he has approached a health care system overhaul. In addition to talking with Pettigrew by phone for half-an-hour, Nelson also contacted Rich Schommer, the Democratic Party chair of Box Butte County, last Friday to talk all things health care. That conversation, however, left a more negative impression about the Senator's support for a public plan.

"He would not come out and say it, but I think he is absolutely against it," said Schommer. "It's just his attitude. I kept telling him. I thought there had to be a public plan. But he said he didn't think it would work, that government programs never work."

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"He said that he might support a plan with a trigger," Schommer added, referencing a system whereby a plan would be put in place once certain economic conditions are met. "And I contended that they pulled the trigger sixteen years ago when [the insurance industry] undermined the Clinton plan..."

Publicly, to this point, Nelson has left the impression that he would vote against a public plan, which would allow consumers to buy into government-run insurance coverage. His reasoning has been that it would unfairly affect private providers and could be a step towards a single-payer system. But in an earlier interview with the Huffington Post, the Nebraskan did say he would remain open to a public option if it did not erode the current system. He also expressed support for a trigger.

"It is true that Sen. Nelson may vote for a public option," said Thompson. "He has supported public plans such as Medicare and Tri-care and, as governor, created Kids Connection which is the Nebraska SCHIP program. Funding was cut from this program after Nelson left office. However, as Sen. Nelson has told the Huffington Post and others, he will not support a government health plan if it is designed undermine the insurance now held by 200 million Americans, or shift higher costs onto the estimated 85% of Nebraskans that currently have health insurance.

Should Nelson's commitment to opposing a filibuster on a public plan prove true, it could be a major boost for progressive health care reform advocates. While Democrats in the Senate and the Obama administration have left the door open towards using budget reconciliation to pass health care reform (which would require a simple up and down vote), the working assumption remains that 60 votes would be needed to pass any bill.

"It's good to hear that Senator Nelson is not going to block the views of the majority on reform," said Richard Kirsch, National Campaign Director for Health Care for America Now.

In addition to telling Pettigrew about his take on the public plan, Nelson also relayed word that he opposed a measure to end the tax exemption for employers who provided health care coverage to their workers. That proposal, which has gained some traction in Congress (including with Senate Finance Committee Chairman Max Baucus), is seen as a practical way to help pay for reform.

Nelson also told Pettigrew that he supported a mandate for individuals, including youth, to buy health care coverage. He also declared that insurance companies had conceded to him that they would cover preexisting conditions as part of a health care compromise.

Pettigrew also discussed what is an important subtext to the Nelson call. "The liberals are kicking him in the ass right now and he is feeling it," he said, when asked why he received a half-hour call from the state's preeminent politician. Since late May, the reform group Change Congress has been running a public campaign targeting Nelson for his position on a public option, including direct mail pieces, online ads and calls to Democratic donors.

"If Senator Nelson supports cloture on the public option, that is welcome news," said Adam Green, CEO of Change Congress, "and concrete proof that when we call out politicians for siding with their special-interest donors it forces them to be more responsive to their constituents."

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- kevsters I'm a Fan of kevsters 5 fans permalink

Check out uber-Christian, Pat Robertson admit that private health care programs couldn't compete with a public system. Des he even realize what he just said?

http://progressnotcongress.org/?p=1666

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:00 PM on 06/09/2009
- neesy08 I'm a Fan of neesy08 18 fans permalink
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Nelso is in trouble back home. His constituents are angry that he is against Obama's healthcare plan. He's trying to save his a**!!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:42 AM on 06/09/2009
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...corupt lummox

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:36 AM on 06/09/2009
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HAHAHAHA!!!!

Not only does he get his insurance under a government plan, but his constituants really gave him h*** over not including a government plan for the masses.

This is ironically funny.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:16 AM on 06/09/2009
- roquelaure I'm a Fan of roquelaure 3 fans permalink

What is this government programs never work idiocy? You know that 50% of Americans get their health care thru the government? That's right. 50%. How do YOU get your insurance, Senator?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:09 AM on 06/09/2009
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Must be feeling the heat I've called and emailed his officeas well as Baucus, WH, and my own people more than once keep it up everyone who wants single payor and wants denycare (for profit denycare) to go away and or change due to competition. Dr Dean was on Keith last night and in NH they mandated coverage of everyone and he said some companies left but they needed to b/c they weren't good. This is a barroom brawl that is going to be around. Keep fighting do not give up.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:49 AM on 06/09/2009
- mike42nola I'm a Fan of mike42nola 25 fans permalink

Let's try this again. I have tried to debate this issue using common sense and comparative analysis but seem to be reaching people who want to use name calling as their line of logic.
This is simply meant to be a debate on the issues of our duly elected government and how good or how poorly you think they manage the huge sums of taxpayer money that they are responsible for.
In my opinion the government wastes more money than what we see as beneficial spending. We currently are paying $150,000,000,000 a year in interest with that projected to increase to over $550,000,000,000 per year by 2014. I may not be an economist but I do know that interest benefits the lender and is a black hole to the payee. My point in all of these posts come down to this: We, as American citizens, can have most of the things we desire if our government were to act in a more fiscally responsible manner. Eliminate the waste and entitlements and there would be money available for healthcare for the needy. There would be money available for infrastructure improvements. There would be money available for training our workforce. There would be money available for better education.
Without the taxpayer demanding fiscal responsibility from the politicians we will continue to throw money at problems with no benficial effects seen as a result.
Social Security is a prime example.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:14 AM on 06/09/2009
- mike42nola I'm a Fan of mike42nola 25 fans permalink

Part II
As I said SS is a prime example. The money that is withheld from our paychecks and matched by our employer is not available for us to use. Whenever someone retires and starts to draw their benefit the government has to borrow money to pay those benefits. The entire scheme is poorly designed and funds are misappropriated. There is no business on the face of the earth that would be allowed to operate with ghost funds as our government does.
Throwing money at problems has been proven to be a disaster time and time again. We don't need to put more money into the public education system. We need the money that is already going into that program to be used properly in order for our children to get the full benefit of that program. This is the case with most federal and state programs. The money is not spent wisely or properly.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:53 AM on 06/09/2009
- elmerfude I'm a Fan of elmerfude 37 fans permalink

Complete nonsense from start to finish. Social Security isn't any different than an insurance policy. Many pay in to cover their future retirement. The system ran a huge surplus for years which the politicians glommed onto for their own purposes giving us IOUs in return. That money could have been invested as a loan in the commonwealth like infrastructure, education and R and D. The overheads for both Social Security and Medicare are very low compared to private insurance. These huge debts are the results of unnecessary wars, tax cuts to the rich, bailouts out to incompetent banks and other socialist giveaways to the rich. None of these things did a thing to build up the commonwealth.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:08 AM on 06/09/2009
- elmerfude I'm a Fan of elmerfude 37 fans permalink

And furthermore I paid into social security for years without exactly having a choice. But my check arrives right on time. If you try to mess with my social security, I am going to give you a giant wedgie.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:13 AM on 06/09/2009
- jonbw I'm a Fan of jonbw 6 fans permalink

All I've every wanted from Ben Nelson is to not stand in the way. While the bill could go through reconciliation the byrd rule could remove random provisions that we need.

My hope is that the Dem make a back to vote for cloture no matter what.

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    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:51 AM on 06/09/2009

Of course he won't filibuster health care, because we only need 50 votes + Biden to pass it. Filibuster is not a question. It is a question of supporting a public option without triggers.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:23 AM on 06/09/2009
- NCYvonne I'm a Fan of NCYvonne 45 fans permalink
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That's not true. We only need 50 + Biden if it goes into the budget. But there's no guarantee that this will be a budget item.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:33 AM on 06/09/2009
- KCFreedom I'm a Fan of KCFreedom 16 fans permalink

Nelson has Kaiser Permanente tatooed on his cheeks. The other cheeks.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:58 AM on 06/09/2009
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I asked 'mike42nola' why he thinks a public medical care policy would be abused, is visiting the doctor something people want to do any more than absolutely necessary? He replied:
"It would be abused by the providers ..."
That means the corporations *currently* running privatized health care, nullifying all his own arguments.

Besides, people can refuse unwanted care now, and if they think that any provider is using them to try to game a public system, they can seek a second opinion and report suspected abuse, just like we can with any other government program. Because your own body is the subject, public health care would give each tax payer the greatest, most direct oversight powers of any public spending program, ever. The "fiscally conservative" angle just does not apply to the subject of medical care.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:00 AM on 06/09/2009
- mike42nola I'm a Fan of mike42nola 25 fans permalink

You are wrong. The fiscally conservative arguement does apply. When are you going to realize that the government isn't this all benevolent big daddy that can give and give and give without the taxpayer having to pay the piper. The government cannot give me anything, be it healthcare or any other social service, without first taking more than they give from someone else.
The whole idea of the government providing us with services is a falacy because we are providing those services to each other through the progressive tax system. The government is simply an expensive clearinghouse that first takes the money from it's citizens and then turns around and gives less back than what it takes. This is true whether you use real dollar value or calculate value of services received for the money spent.
The fraudulent waste of taxpayer money has become criminal because the intent now is to defraud the people without ever intending to render services.
Answer this question for me. How much healthcare for the poor, elderly or sick can half a trillion dollars in interest payment buy?
Don't you see that we are heading down a road with no u turns and a cliff at the end? Once we drop off of that cliff, that being our currency having lost tremendous value, there is no turning back? A devalued dollar will hurt everyone including the very poor people of this country. Why do you want to do that to them?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:23 AM on 06/09/2009

Private sector has been in charge -- they ran health care over a cliff! It didn't work, they failed!

America wants something new. Countries that have socialized medicine have a higher life expectancy and a lower infant mortality rate than the U.S. Their health care is superior to ours because no one is denied health care! The status quo is not an option! And I doubt that the poor in this country care about the value of the dollar they don't have!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:15 PM on 06/09/2009
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i'm currently living in croatia. here they have socialized medicine as well as private for profit medicine. the system here takes care of everyone. i don't think socialized medicine is perfect but it works. we've used both systems here and had care that was just fine. the socialized system is great for those that can't afford anything else and the private system works for those who want faster or the most cutting edge treatment. to help offset the costs of that private medicine, private insurance is still offered and used widely. i think both systems can work together.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:45 AM on 06/09/2009
- mike42nola I'm a Fan of mike42nola 25 fans permalink

This is a great point. The people with money buy better healthcare for themselves. We already have this system in place. The poor who cannot afford insurance still have free healthcare available to them while the rich buy the best healthcare. All this program will do is put a greater divide between rich and poor.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:35 AM on 06/09/2009
- Plus15 I'm a Fan of Plus15 6 fans permalink

And on the day Rahm Emanuel returns to town - Nelson: I Won't Filibuster Health Care "Wishes The Liberals Would Give Him A Chance" Hey Nellie give the liberals a Chance -

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:38 AM on 06/09/2009
- karela I'm a Fan of karela 81 fans permalink

This is good reinforcement for all of us. If we had all just sat home and griped instead of sending emails, letters and phone calls, this wouldn't happen. We need to make our elected representatives understand that big money won't help them get reelected if their constituents won't vote for them. It has always all been about keeping their jobs. We need to keep paying attention and staying involved. Obama said that he would need our continued help in order to pass the things we want and need through congress and he surely knew what he was talking about. If we want health care, we're going to have to talk it up with our neighbors and friends and we're going to have to get a lot of people to pressure our elected representatives. They do respond if they really think they could lose their jobs over it.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:54 PM on 06/08/2009
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He threatens progress and is now upset that he is irrelevant.

If he wants people to give him a chance, then he needs to stop acting like a stupid GOPer.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:18 PM on 06/08/2009
- nomobull I'm a Fan of nomobull 44 fans permalink
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amen

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:34 AM on 06/09/2009
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