Ben Nelson Says He Won't Filibuster Public Health Care Plan

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First Posted: 06- 8-09 05:13 PM   |   Updated: 07- 9-09 05:12 AM

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Senator Ben Nelson, one of the key figures in the health care reform fight, has told a local official in his state that he could support cloture on a public plan for insurance coverage even if he opposed the bill itself.

The Nebraska Democrat, who has skeptically approached the idea of a government or publicly-run insurance program, additionally told state Democrats not to assume that he will oppose such a proposal in a final reform package.

"He's not against anything right now," said Bud Pettigrew, the chair of county chairs for the Nebraska Democratic Party, who fielded a phone call from Nelson on Monday. "But he does want to read the plans that come out first and then make a judgment."

"He is open to some type of government plan but he wants to see the details first," Pettigrew added. "He wishes the liberals would give him a chance."

And yet, even if Nelson were to oppose the final bill, his vote may not hold as much significance as expected. According to Pettigrew, the senator said he will not be the 60th Senator to sustain a filibuster on a bill that he ultimately would oppose. "If it comes to cloture I would vote for it," Nelson said, according to Pettigrew. "I will not be the deciding vote."

Asked for clarification, the senator's office offered a somewhat watered-down but largely concurring statement.

"Regarding cloture, the Senator's position is that he may support cloture even if he doesn't support some provisions of the underlying bill," said Jake Thompson, a spokesman for Nelson. "It is impossible to know how he will vote until he sees an actual bill, but it is correct to assume that he may support cloture even if he doesn't agree with some of the provisions of the bill."

The remarks come as Nelson has attempted to assuage concerns from Nebraska's small but vocal progressive community over the way he has approached a health care system overhaul. In addition to talking with Pettigrew by phone for half-an-hour, Nelson also contacted Rich Schommer, the Democratic Party chair of Box Butte County, last Friday to talk all things health care. That conversation, however, left a more negative impression about the Senator's support for a public plan.

"He would not come out and say it, but I think he is absolutely against it," said Schommer. "It's just his attitude. I kept telling him. I thought there had to be a public plan. But he said he didn't think it would work, that government programs never work."

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"He said that he might support a plan with a trigger," Schommer added, referencing a system whereby a plan would be put in place once certain economic conditions are met. "And I contended that they pulled the trigger sixteen years ago when [the insurance industry] undermined the Clinton plan..."

Publicly, to this point, Nelson has left the impression that he would vote against a public plan, which would allow consumers to buy into government-run insurance coverage. His reasoning has been that it would unfairly affect private providers and could be a step towards a single-payer system. But in an earlier interview with the Huffington Post, the Nebraskan did say he would remain open to a public option if it did not erode the current system. He also expressed support for a trigger.

"It is true that Sen. Nelson may vote for a public option," said Thompson. "He has supported public plans such as Medicare and Tri-care and, as governor, created Kids Connection which is the Nebraska SCHIP program. Funding was cut from this program after Nelson left office. However, as Sen. Nelson has told the Huffington Post and others, he will not support a government health plan if it is designed undermine the insurance now held by 200 million Americans, or shift higher costs onto the estimated 85% of Nebraskans that currently have health insurance.

Should Nelson's commitment to opposing a filibuster on a public plan prove true, it could be a major boost for progressive health care reform advocates. While Democrats in the Senate and the Obama administration have left the door open towards using budget reconciliation to pass health care reform (which would require a simple up and down vote), the working assumption remains that 60 votes would be needed to pass any bill.

"It's good to hear that Senator Nelson is not going to block the views of the majority on reform," said Richard Kirsch, National Campaign Director for Health Care for America Now.

In addition to telling Pettigrew about his take on the public plan, Nelson also relayed word that he opposed a measure to end the tax exemption for employers who provided health care coverage to their workers. That proposal, which has gained some traction in Congress (including with Senate Finance Committee Chairman Max Baucus), is seen as a practical way to help pay for reform.

Nelson also told Pettigrew that he supported a mandate for individuals, including youth, to buy health care coverage. He also declared that insurance companies had conceded to him that they would cover preexisting conditions as part of a health care compromise.

Pettigrew also discussed what is an important subtext to the Nelson call. "The liberals are kicking him in the ass right now and he is feeling it," he said, when asked why he received a half-hour call from the state's preeminent politician. Since late May, the reform group Change Congress has been running a public campaign targeting Nelson for his position on a public option, including direct mail pieces, online ads and calls to Democratic donors.

"If Senator Nelson supports cloture on the public option, that is welcome news," said Adam Green, CEO of Change Congress, "and concrete proof that when we call out politicians for siding with their special-interest donors it forces them to be more responsive to their constituents."

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"He wishes the liberals would give him a chance."
People without health care wish he would give us a chance. When is Nelson up for re-election again? I want to move to Nebraska, just to campaign against him.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:21 PM on 06/08/2009
- roshni I'm a Fan of roshni 182 fans permalink

Take away his healthcare. That will give him a chance to appreciate why the others need it.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:36 PM on 06/08/2009
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Seriously. Some liberal member of Congress ought to bring the Congressional health care plan up for a vote, attached as a "rider" to the vote for a nationwide single payer system. See if Ben Nelson, et al, really have the mettle to walk the walk. He looks like a flabby little wimp to me. Without his socialized health care, I think the first sneezing child he sees would give him a nervous breakdown.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:54 PM on 06/08/2009
- Budokan I'm a Fan of Budokan 217 fans permalink
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I'm a Liberal and you get NO chance from me, Nelson.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:20 PM on 06/08/2009
- jonbw I'm a Fan of jonbw 6 fans permalink

Keep calling your senator and house members. Make them fear for their careers

Callforhealthcare.com

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:13 PM on 06/08/2009
- Budokan I'm a Fan of Budokan 217 fans permalink
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Put the pressure on them. Let's face it. They're Democrats. They'll fold like wet cardboard under the slightest pressure.

Force them. Make them vomit in their wastebaskets from fear. This is OUR country. We want single player health care. Make these gutless weasels do what we say.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:22 PM on 06/08/2009
- LeeCalif I'm a Fan of LeeCalif 81 fans permalink

Nelson states, " .... government programs never work ".

That's just farsical.

What about Social Security.

What about Medicare.

What about our public schools or public libraries ?

Did anyone challenge this closeted republican on this sweeping and untrue charge ???????

Anyone ??

Time for Nelson to go. His reasoning shows he is bought and paid for.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:10 PM on 06/08/2009
- mike42nola I'm a Fan of mike42nola 25 fans permalink

Again, Social Security does not work. It is a giant pyramid scheme. The first ones to take benefits from it drew out way more than they paid into it.
President Carter allowed immigrants who never paid a dime into the system to draw benefits.
The trust fund has been bankrupt twice in my lifetime and had to be fixed rapidly.
Public schools graduate kids that can't read and can't write. I don't call that a success. I call it a waste of money.
The power for all of this was supposed to lie within the jurisdiction of the state and local government. When it did you was a whole lot more success in government run programs.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:17 PM on 06/08/2009
- joyf1 I'm a Fan of joyf1 21 fans permalink
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You've been listening to Rush a bit too much. Falsehoods, every one of your points. Please do your own research and don't take the party line at face value. One more thing, yes, people without insurance will get treated, but only to stabilize them. No more. If they had cancer, they're out of luck. And you better get a new accountant, you're not overtaxed.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:20 PM on 06/08/2009

Again social security does work. The reason the money isn't there was that it was used for purposes other than intended. Most reasonable people also know that illegal immigrants pay in more than they ever get out.
As for public schools they not only require funding, but public environment. If you think public schools are bad try a society without them.
Sorry, but we'ill continue to use your money for such programs. Not sorry really.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:30 PM on 06/08/2009
- helonias I'm a Fan of helonias 263 fans permalink
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    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:55 PM on 06/08/2009
- layman I'm a Fan of layman 24 fans permalink

May God Damnt America for the Corporations !

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:49 PM on 06/08/2009
- mike42nola I'm a Fan of mike42nola 25 fans permalink

Who do most Americans work for?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:51 PM on 06/08/2009
- teron678 I'm a Fan of teron678 131 fans permalink
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... their family .. to put food on the table & a roof over their head ....

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:04 PM on 06/08/2009

In Victorian England who did most English workers work for? SOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO what is your point?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:30 PM on 06/08/2009
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Small businesses, i.e. those that make $250,000 or less per annum. Small businesses, Mom & Pops, create and employ the majority of Americans. It's a statistical fact so your argument is undercut. Google it if you don't believe me.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:42 PM on 06/08/2009
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Small businesses if I recall. 70 percent of those with jobs I think.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:10 AM on 06/09/2009
- mike42nola I'm a Fan of mike42nola 25 fans permalink

Let's look at this seriously and give some serious thoughts and answers to the questions.
1) Why should I be taxed or burdened with additional fees, assesments, withholdings, etc. to pay for other peoples healthcare?
2) Show proof that this will be more efficient and effective than what is in place right now. Don't give me "what if" scenarios but real live proof based upon facts that can be verified.
3) Explain to me what benefits the insurance company's get from letting someone die "for profit" or is this a gross exageration of examples of people being severly burdened by co-pays and premiums?
4) Who is going to pay for this increase in government spending?
5) Provide a link for me to verify that Medicare is running with only a 5% overhead and compare this to overhead of other major insurance providers.
Let's look at this in a sensible method and try to figure out if this is a really good plan for the American public.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:15 PM on 06/08/2009
- joyf1 I'm a Fan of joyf1 21 fans permalink
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1) That's how a society works. We're all in this together. Plus, we already are paying for those that don't have insurance now with higher charges due to emergency room use.
2) Proof? Look to Medicare to see how it works.
3) Yes, we're severely burdened by premiums and co-pays.
4) Instead of paying premiums to the insurance company, we pay to the government.
5) You do the research. I'm tired.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:32 PM on 06/08/2009
- mike42nola I'm a Fan of mike42nola 25 fans permalink

You didn't answer my questions or treat the dialogue seriously. I know many people who don't have any form of insurance and they get free healthcare while I have to pay through the nose for mine.
Society in this country wasn't intended to be socialistic or nationalistic. We are supposed to reward hard work, instead continue to find innovative methods of rewarding those who don't work but can.
Second: I get conflicting reports on how Medicare works. No Proof there at all.
I, myself, am tired of all of the premiums and co-pays so why don't you pay mine for me?
I pay the government enough of my money now and don't see much in the way of benefits that are provided from the money I pay. Why would I want to give them more to waste on frivilous programs?
I do plenty of research but everything I find tells me to be extremely leary of a plan such as this. Thought you might have some answers but apparantly you just believe everything your people tell you and cheerlead for them because "they are on your side."
I am on the side of the working class Americans who have shouldered way too much of the spending burdens placed on us by a Congress that doesn't appreciate the value of hard work and someone struggling to pay his bills working 60+ hours a week. Giving more money to the very same people that have exhibited fiscal irresponsibility is insane.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:43 PM on 06/08/2009
- up420oz I'm a Fan of up420oz 27 fans permalink
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so many americans do not have the basic understanding of socialized medicine.

Here is a thought that even the slowest student on the short bus can understand,

"WHY DONT AMERICANS EVER SEE THE CITIZENS OF COUNTRIES WITH SOCIALIZED MEDICINE PROTESTING TO GET US STYLE HEALTH CARE?"

But when a country with socialized medicine every tries to replace it with a for profit system, people freak out.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:06 PM on 06/08/2009
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Ouch.. damn straight.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:11 AM on 06/09/2009
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You already are paying taxes for other people's health care, only it's called premiums and co-pays.

Are you really against helping other people?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:09 PM on 06/08/2009
- mike42nola I'm a Fan of mike42nola 25 fans permalink

Not at all. I am against losing the freedom of choice of who I help and for what reasons. It is my money. If I want to spend it on kids with lukemia I should be able to.
The government is taking away more and more of our freedoms, especially our right to choose how to spend our own money.
By them taking our money they empower themselves and leave us without any power.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:13 PM on 06/08/2009

Mike,
You aren"t open to sense or how to help your fellow Americans. It is all about your money. "Why should I be taxed or burdened with additiional fees.....to pay for other peoples healthcare."

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:32 PM on 06/08/2009
- mike42nola I'm a Fan of mike42nola 25 fans permalink

Explain that to me. Why don't we put every penny we earn into one big pool and let people just draw it out as needed.
How well will that work?
Why don't you send me some money to pay for my house or my truck. What is the difference?
And the burden I refer to is an additional burden placed on us by politicians that are corrupt and ineffective.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:16 PM on 06/08/2009
- mrh3 I'm a Fan of mrh3 43 fans permalink

What do you think insurance is? You all throw your money in together and socialize your risk. But you add corporate profits to the burden.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:34 AM on 06/09/2009
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1) In my opinion, an often overlooked benefit of socialized medical care is that it will remove one motive which compels many workers to tolerate abusive employers, managers and supervisors. You may agree or disagree, but I think medical care should not be part of the employment scenario.

A fact is that healthy citizens are more productive workers, as proved by western European countries with socialized medicine, comparable per capita income, shorter work days and far more vacation -- a higher standard of living. We will not have smaller pieces of pie, we will share a bigger pie.

2) The previous paragraph is verifiable, but I am neither your student nor your paid research assistant. You Google it, you presumptuous, condescending boob.

3) Death is not the only complaint that is valid. Brief treatment for Lyme Disease may prevent patients dying from it, allowing them to live the remainder of their lives in excruciating pain. A few years of the same treatment would eliminate all symptoms, and has in rare cases of unusually well-funded, vigilant and/or knowledgeable Lyme patients, but mostly insurance companies subject customers to lives of torture for a few thousand dollars of profit.

4) Millionaires and billionaires, currently *assessed* 35% income tax, use thousands of pages of deductions and exemptions to *pay* on average only 7%, subjecting the rest of us 'de facto' to taxation without representation. Their fair share will pay for single payer, universal medical care.

5) Provide me $1,000,000.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:56 PM on 06/08/2009
- mike42nola I'm a Fan of mike42nola 25 fans permalink

How does name calling fit into any type of sensible debate? You lost all credibility with me at that point.
C YA

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:09 PM on 06/08/2009
- Zen0469 I'm a Fan of Zen0469 72 fans permalink
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Ben, here's a newsflash for you.

Get the h*// out of the win.gnu.tters tent! You'll be surprised how much support you get.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:02 PM on 06/08/2009
- Hawkeye17 I'm a Fan of Hawkeye17 2 fans permalink

Simply put, I don't trust you Ben and neither do most thinking Democrats in America. Given your history, why should we trust you? When it comes down to it, Nelson cares about one thing above all else, his own political future. He'd sell Americans out to save his political seat.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:48 PM on 06/08/2009
- mike42nola I'm a Fan of mike42nola 25 fans permalink

This describes 99.9% of the politicians in this country. They are all out for themselves and themselves only.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:16 PM on 06/08/2009
- teron678 I'm a Fan of teron678 131 fans permalink
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He cares about Money ... my dear ... the only way Nelson will ext the Senate .. is either through resignation or De@th ... sad to say ...

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:06 PM on 06/08/2009
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Well sure, the Congressional health care plan is among the greatest job benefits on Earth.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:58 PM on 06/08/2009
- elmerfude I'm a Fan of elmerfude 37 fans permalink

Senator Ben Nelson
720 Hart SOB
Washington, DC 20510

Dear Senator Nelson:

You recently stated that the option for people to choose a government Medicare type option for insurance coverage would create an “unfair” competition because the government could negotiate lower prices from hospitals and doctors than private insurance. What are you thinking? Are you a socialist? This is like saying that WalMart is an unfair competitor because they can negotiate lower prices from suppliers. If the government can offer lower cost insurance than private insurance providers, so be it. The overhead rate for Medicare is only about 5 %--far better than private insurance.

As a retiree I have found Medicare to be very well operated as is Group Health (a non profit) that supplies my supplementary and prescription insurance. In fact the Medicare premiums have not increased that much and Group Health premiums have not increased at all for the last several years. If private insurance cannot compete with the government plan on cost, let them compete on service and quality although I have no problems with Medicare along those lines.

I think you have lost sight of the main objective. It is to provide Americans with health coverage, not to keep private insurance companies in business. I am sure you will be lobbied and given a lot of money to oppose real health care reform. This is a real shame if not downright unpatriotic. Step up and do what is right.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:34 PM on 06/08/2009
- DonTampa58 I'm a Fan of DonTampa58 6 fans permalink

First a disclosure

I am a lifelong Democrat and proud of that fact.

That said, do you liberals not realize you sound just as nutty as the far right wing tinfoil hats you love to decry?

Just a thought.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:26 PM on 06/08/2009
- mike42nola I'm a Fan of mike42nola 25 fans permalink

Who are "they?"

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:27 PM on 06/08/2009
- jmpurser I'm a Fan of jmpurser 198 fans permalink

Right. You're a Democrat. Uh huh. And exactly what "liberal" are you listening to that sounds as crazy as the right?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:37 PM on 06/08/2009
- greenie 61 I'm a Fan of greenie 61 30 fans permalink
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"you liberals"...???

Sure, you're a "lifelong Democrat".....& I'm Suzy Snowflake.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:41 PM on 06/08/2009
- debrief I'm a Fan of debrief 14 fans permalink
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No .. cause we don't. Now what?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:45 PM on 06/08/2009
- smchp I'm a Fan of smchp 77 fans permalink
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why don't you and Nelson move over to the reich-wing where you belong.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:03 PM on 06/08/2009

We from Nebr. sent him horror stories of our health care problems! He got the messege.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:14 PM on 06/08/2009
- kvet I'm a Fan of kvet 2 fans permalink

Just Another DemocRAT in the Pockets of Big Business !

What A Disgrace !

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:19 PM on 06/08/2009
- jmpurser I'm a Fan of jmpurser 198 fans permalink

Of course he "got the message". It's not secret. We're dying without a public plan. And he's against the public plan.

He had his chance.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:37 PM on 06/08/2009
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The man with the head the size of a buffalo speaks

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:57 PM on 06/08/2009
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Funny how much it sounded like "moo."

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:20 PM on 06/08/2009
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Regardless of what he says, he has destroyed his credibility.

Just a kite in the wind.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:55 PM on 06/08/2009
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I've been on medicare for years and was very happy with it. Then last year because of changes made thanks to Former Senator Frist I switched to a medicare HMO. I can hardly wait until the new open period so I can change back!

I can't stay with the doctors I've been with for years, including my most important specialist. I made the change because of the hospitalization component. Not worth it it at all.

A friend of mine who is a doctor says that Medicare may not pay a lot, but they pay on time which the insurance companies don't do.

Single payer with a small premium and a small co-pay sounds like a good deal to me. It wouldn't hurt to help doctors with their education costs either. Optional private supplemental insurance isn't a bad idea either.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:55 PM on 06/08/2009
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