CIA urges judge to keep detainee papers secret

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DEVLIN BARRETT | June 8, 2009 10:42 PM EST | AP

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WASHINGTON — CIA Director Leon Panetta told a federal judge Monday that releasing documents about the agency's terror interrogations would gravely damage national security.

Panetta sent a 24-page missive to New York federal judge Alvin Hellerstein, arguing that release of agency cables describing tough interrogation methods used on al-Qaida suspects would tell the enemy far too much about U.S. counterterrorism work.

The CIA director filed the papers in a lawsuit brought by the American Civil Liberties Union. The suit has already led to the unveiling of Bush administration legal memos authorizing harsh methods _ among them waterboarding, a type of simulated drowning, and slamming suspects into walls _ and a fight over releasing long-secret photos of abused detainees.

"I have determined that the disclosure of intelligence about al-Qaida reasonably could be expected to result in exceptionally grave damage to the national security by informing our enemies of what we knew about them, and when, and in some instances, how we obtained the intelligence," Panetta wrote.

Panetta acknowledges in the court papers that the CIA destroyed 92 videotapes of detainee interrogations that took place in 2002. Officials have previously said that a dozen of those tapes showed the so-called "enhanced interrogation techniques," which critics call torture. The destruction of the videotapes has spurred a criminal investigation into why they were destroyed.

The tapes _ and the interrogations _ are also an issue in the ACLU's lawsuit.

The CIA is fighting efforts to force release of the documents, including dozens of agency cables. The cables, Panetta said, describe in detail the methods used on terror suspects, the information gleaned from them and what U.S. officials still did not know at the time the suspects were being questioned.

The CIA last month denied a request by former Vice President Dick Cheney to declassify secret memos that detail whether valuable intelligence was gained from the use of the harsh interrogation techniques. Cheney said the documents show that the tactics prevented terrorist attacks and saved lives, contrary to the Obama administration's criticism of the Bush-era policies.

President Barack Obama also said last month he would try to block the court-ordered release of photos showing U.S. troops abusing prisoners, reversing his position out of concern the pictures would "further inflame anti-American opinion" and endanger U.S. forces in Iraq and Afghanistan.

WASHINGTON — CIA Director Leon Panetta told a federal judge Monday that releasing documents about the agency's terror interrogations would gravely damage national security. Panetta sent a 24-pa...
WASHINGTON — CIA Director Leon Panetta told a federal judge Monday that releasing documents about the agency's terror interrogations would gravely damage national security. Panetta sent a 24-pa...
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- rich misty I'm a Fan of rich misty 1041 fans permalink
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http://pewforum.org/docs/?DocID=156

There is the poll ^

http://rawstory.com/08/news/2009/06/08/spiritual-leaders-torture/

^ Church leadership is finally, years after the fact now... Doing something, but only after the very embarrasing numbers revealed by the issue polling above.

http://www.nrcat.org/

Seems Jesus needs a little talk to Republicans... I think he has something to say:

http://buelahman.files.wordpress.com/2008/07/even_jesus_hates_you-cheetos.jpg

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:58 AM on 06/09/2009
- drbillybob I'm a Fan of drbillybob 101 fans permalink
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I'm curious as to why liberals are so intent on looking backwards ...

Isn't there still an illegal war going on? Are you guys satisfied with a 16 month timeline for the withdrawl of only 62% of our troops - leaving 50,000 there indefinately? Are you in favor of a dramatic escalation in Afghanistan? On the domestic side, aren't we still going to use military tribunals? Aren't we still going to detain people indefinately without charges? Isn't Bagram simply going to become Gitmo East? Hasn't Obama retained the right to use "extraordinary rendition" where very real torture is outsourced?

Seems like you guys would have plenty to keep you busy with the current administration ... where you might actually make a difference. But instead, you choose tribal loyalty.

So much for hope and change ...

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:53 AM on 06/09/2009
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You are correct on this one, but don't think that just because we are discussing this topic at this time, we aren't also in our own groups discussing ways to bring the entire problem into the light. Problems are best solved one step at a time.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:55 AM on 06/09/2009
- PAposter I'm a Fan of PAposter 143 fans permalink
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What are you talking about?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:58 AM on 06/09/2009
- fallout4U I'm a Fan of fallout4U 30 fans permalink
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Clueless...

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:11 AM on 06/09/2009
- CigarGod I'm a Fan of CigarGod 134 fans permalink
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Funny how you seem to forget all about catching and punishing bad guys......who's crimes are ALWAYS in the past.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:18 AM on 06/09/2009
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Yes. All criminals tend to discourage "looking backward," don't they?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:08 AM on 06/09/2009
- furey I'm a Fan of furey 6 fans permalink

How much of the 9/11 Commission Report is based on "information" obtained through torture, reported third-hand to the Commission? Where are the tapes? Where are the transcripts?

And now Justice may skip a potentially "untidy" trial and allow the "masterminds" to be executed based on their "confessions"?

Kafka would be right at home in the "New American Century".

http://michaelfury.wordpress.com/2009/05/24/torture-and-911/

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:48 AM on 06/09/2009
- fallout4U I'm a Fan of fallout4U 30 fans permalink
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When you are President, you don't go to jail for crimes! Just ask Bill Clinton!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:42 AM on 06/09/2009
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Is that the law in this country?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:44 AM on 06/09/2009
- ebanks84 I'm a Fan of ebanks84 131 fans permalink

It might as well be. It seems to be some kind of "hidden" law, known just between presidents it seems.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:49 AM on 06/09/2009
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What crime to Clinton commit?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:46 AM on 06/09/2009
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He got a hummer. And the GOOP'ers have a hard time just getting a handshake.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:50 AM on 06/09/2009
- drbillybob I'm a Fan of drbillybob 101 fans permalink
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He lied to federal investigators under oath ... just like Scooter Libby. He also obstructed justice by subourning the perjury of Monica Lewinsky as he caoched her into signing a false affidavit.

Both are felonies ...

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:59 AM on 06/09/2009
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There in lies the problem. I think the lives of a lot of Germans and Jews would have been saved
if they had tossed ole Adolf in an 8 by 10.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:48 AM on 06/09/2009
- CigarGod I'm a Fan of CigarGod 134 fans permalink
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They did....and he wrote a book while there.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:23 AM on 06/09/2009
- rich misty I'm a Fan of rich misty 1041 fans permalink
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Clinton got a beejay and lied about it... Republicans went ballistic for 16 years.

Bush never had se.x with a woman that we can prove, lied 935 times, started two wars, drowned the US Government, and bankrupted the US economy. Plus, torture sexcrimes.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:50 AM on 06/09/2009
- Rog49Thomas I'm a Fan of Rog49Thomas 193 fans permalink

Yes but he kept us safe from flag burning and gay divorce.

I'd also like to point out that during his wise and just reign not a single Cuban paratroop's boots soiled our precious National Mall. And there wasn't a single Romulan attack on Cleveland.

He kept us safe!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:52 AM on 06/09/2009
- PAposter I'm a Fan of PAposter 143 fans permalink
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I'd rather ask Nixon or Reagan...because I really don't think lying about an affair under oath or otherwise, should constitute jail time.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:01 AM on 06/09/2009
- ebanks84 I'm a Fan of ebanks84 131 fans permalink

The CIA has a nerve requesting that their crimes should be kept quiet from we, the people. They are the biggest criminals in American history. Wow!

http://existentialistcowboy.blogspot.com/2008/03/cia-holocaust-claims-twenty-million.html

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:30 AM on 06/09/2009
- fallout4U I'm a Fan of fallout4U 30 fans permalink
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The CIA has been doing this since 1947. Have you been in a coma?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:36 AM on 06/09/2009
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We are not all as old you are fallout.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:42 AM on 06/09/2009
- ebanks84 I'm a Fan of ebanks84 131 fans permalink

Are you complicit with their behavior or what? Everybody doesn't know their past like you do!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:53 AM on 06/09/2009

You should personally try and arrest every member of CIA. Only you, because you are after all, "the people".

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:36 AM on 06/09/2009
- rich misty I'm a Fan of rich misty 1041 fans permalink
    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:42 AM on 06/09/2009
- ebanks84 I'm a Fan of ebanks84 131 fans permalink

I'm not AFTER anybody and for you to say such a thing is ignorance personified. I'm only trying to let others know what they might not have known since so many SECRETS have been kept by previous governments for eons. The TRUTH is the light and the light always shines.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:56 AM on 06/09/2009

lets not get all hysterical

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:41 AM on 06/09/2009
- ebanks84 I'm a Fan of ebanks84 131 fans permalink

It's not a point of hysteria. It's a point of KNOWLEDGE. Everyone should always KNOW what they are dealing with.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:57 AM on 06/09/2009
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What is the best way to prosecute both Clinton and Bush for these horrible crimes. Since we know Clinton approved of torture as well

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:27 AM on 06/09/2009
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Let's deal witht he job at hand, we are 100% sure Bush is guilty. A bird in the hand is worth two in the bush. 0 ;-)

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:28 AM on 06/09/2009
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Not the old Clinton did it too! Cmon you can do better. Im disappointed

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:30 AM on 06/09/2009
- rich misty I'm a Fan of rich misty 1041 fans permalink
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Yup... It's getting down to the bottom of the barrel for Republican torture lovers.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:32 AM on 06/09/2009
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Go back to the kids table, junior.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:33 AM on 06/09/2009
- drbillybob I'm a Fan of drbillybob 101 fans permalink
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Who are we kidding? If Obama wants these relesed, he can release them.

Quit blaming Panetta for chrissakes ... talk to his boss.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:19 AM on 06/09/2009
- felisa11 I'm a Fan of felisa11 23 fans permalink

President Barack Obama also said last month he would try to block the court-ordered release of photos showing U.S. troops abusing prisoners,

It's in the last paragraph. Couldn't be bothered to read the whole article, huh?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:24 AM on 06/09/2009
- rampage I'm a Fan of rampage 199 fans permalink
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President Barack Obama also said last month he would try to block the court-ordered release of photos showing U.S. troops abusing prisoners, reversing his position out of concern the pictures would "further inflame anti-American opinion" and endanger U.S. forces in Iraq and Afghanistan.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:26 AM on 06/09/2009
- drbillybob I'm a Fan of drbillybob 101 fans permalink
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So you do or don't want to see these memos? If you do ... quit barking at Panetta. Aim a little higher. That's all.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:34 AM on 06/09/2009
- CigarGod I'm a Fan of CigarGod 134 fans permalink
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"Attorney General Eric Holder sat by silently while the president curtly dismissed the idea that his Justice Department should criminally prosecute at least one Bush administration official for torture, if only as a symbolic move to demonstrate that actions such as waterboarding will never be tolerated again."

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:35 AM on 06/09/2009
- fallout4U I'm a Fan of fallout4U 30 fans permalink
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Misty's favorite Dem:

IN 1983, REPRESENTATIVE GERRY Studds, Democrat of Massachusetts, admitted to having sex with a 17-year-old male page. He was cen-sured by the House of Representatives. During the vote, which he was compelled by House rules to be present for, Studds turned his back on the House to show his contempt for his colleagues' repri-mand. He was not expelled from the Democratic Caucus. In fact, he was his party's nominee in the next election in his district--and the next five after that--winning reelection each time. He remained in the bosom of the Democratic Caucus in the House for the next 13 years

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:19 AM on 06/09/2009
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Wow, obsess much?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:21 AM on 06/09/2009
- fallout4U I'm a Fan of fallout4U 30 fans permalink
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You don't say a peep when your lib buddies post this BS all day.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:27 AM on 06/09/2009
- PAposter I'm a Fan of PAposter 143 fans permalink
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...do you seriously want to talk about the sexual deviance of politicians?!? Are you suggesting that this somehow justifies a prisoner being raped by a military guard...is there some comparison?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:24 AM on 06/09/2009
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Did you get that from one of your bookmarked favorite sites?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:24 AM on 06/09/2009
- rich misty I'm a Fan of rich misty 1041 fans permalink
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Notice how once primed... My little chihuahua finds homosexual stories.

Tell us about Ted Haggard?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:24 AM on 06/09/2009
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Is this a case of thou doth protest to much?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:36 AM on 06/09/2009
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Misty will simply ignore facts, makes things easier.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:28 AM on 06/09/2009
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You can come out on this site, we don't discriminate, there's no need to deflect and cast dispersions, just admit you are in love with GWB, we will try to understand. 0 ;-)

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:38 AM on 06/09/2009
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So how does Bill Clinton's (Democrat) position mix in with all this? He was in favor of torture - real torture - if national security was at stake. He is on record as saying so, although he backed off a little bit when his wife was running. And it is well known that President Clinton allowed people to be tortured in foreign lands on our behalf.

http://blogs.abcnews.com/politicalradar/2007/09/president-clint.html

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:16 AM on 06/09/2009
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The idea here is to abolish the use of torture by anyone, and prosecute the guilty....democratic or republican party, it doesn't matter, there are those in both parties that need to be ejected from public service and held to account.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:18 AM on 06/09/2009
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Well you are right, the chips would have to fall where they fall. And they would surely fall all over the place.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:23 AM on 06/09/2009
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I definately agree with that. you are hereby fanned.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:43 AM on 06/09/2009
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Agree with you there monica!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:45 AM on 06/09/2009
- rich misty I'm a Fan of rich misty 1041 fans permalink
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The Jesse James defense again chihuahua?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:18 AM on 06/09/2009
- dwright I'm a Fan of dwright 314 fans permalink
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sooooo what does this have to do with Cheney and the Bush Cabal? This is typical - switch the focus to another person and another question

When Clinton invaded a nation that was no threat to us and he chose to go to war and torture people to say there were links to ter.rorist attacks we did impeach him.

Oh no so sorry - we did that over a cigar and a stained dress, on top of an illegal phone tap.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:19 AM on 06/09/2009
- rich misty I'm a Fan of rich misty 1041 fans permalink
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Clinton got a beejay and lied about it... Republicans went ballistic for 16 years.

Bush never had se.x with a woman that we can prove, lied 935 times, started two wars, drowned the US Government, and bankrupted the US economy.

Now they want to try Clinton for torture???

http://firedoglake.com/2009/01/22/new-polls-indicate-republicans-favor-torture-gulags/

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:21 AM on 06/09/2009
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Well most likely it will be found that there is not such a clear line of distinciton between programs under Clinton and Bush ... so both would be very affected

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:25 AM on 06/09/2009
- PAposter I'm a Fan of PAposter 143 fans permalink
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LMAO!

...yeah, let's keep the womanizers and the war criminals straight!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:27 AM on 06/09/2009
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Ahhh the refuge of Bill Clinton as if that's going to shut down the vice vs. virtue discussion of your favorite subject, t*0rture. How long are you going to continue using THAT one?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:31 AM on 06/09/2009
- Rog49Thomas I'm a Fan of Rog49Thomas 193 fans permalink

I think that for national security reasons and to protect our troops, the media should refrain from publishing anything on this topic.

Really good Americans will of course not even think about it even when they're by themselves late at night.

Can't we all pitch in for the good of our country!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:14 AM on 06/09/2009
- rich misty I'm a Fan of rich misty 1041 fans permalink
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Well Republicans are desperate for the US Government to fail... So we are in a bit of a situtation too.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:17 AM on 06/09/2009
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Oh come on, if it hurts the US that just makes it all the sweeter for Huffington Posters.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:19 AM on 06/09/2009
- Rog49Thomas I'm a Fan of Rog49Thomas 193 fans permalink

But isn't it written in the Constitution or the Bible that when a Democrat is President the Government is no longer the US Govt?

So they're really not desperate for the US Govt to fail but rather the godless socialist government.

That would of course explain why Gov Perry's call for secession isn't treason. One can only commit treason against the US Govt.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:50 AM on 06/09/2009
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LOL, this is the Huffington Post for god's sake, of course they can'to that! If it hurts the country they love it even more~

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:18 AM on 06/09/2009
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Lower case "g" in God, huh?

Not one of those Chrisitians, is you?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:49 AM on 06/09/2009
- northstar11 I'm a Fan of northstar11 107 fans permalink

that bad eh??????

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:08 AM on 06/09/2009
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Worse than that.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:09 AM on 06/09/2009
- rich misty I'm a Fan of rich misty 1041 fans permalink
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Fraid so...

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:12 AM on 06/09/2009
- Rog49Thomas I'm a Fan of Rog49Thomas 193 fans permalink

the danger with pulling on a thread is that one can unravel the entire garment

torture did not begin under former president pan

can our national myth withstand that reality?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:16 AM on 06/09/2009
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If it serves the purpose of never letting this happen again. Yes.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:24 AM on 06/09/2009
- horsey I'm a Fan of horsey 13 fans permalink
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I imagine a few died from the torture and water boarding wasn't the worst of it.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:17 AM on 06/09/2009
- aweissnet I'm a Fan of aweissnet 27 fans permalink
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The US is a joke, a lying, greedy scourge on the planet.

I'm sure the release of this, along with the other news being known to the world, which is only half told, reveals that we are responsible for at least 1 unnecessary war, countless deaths, the collapse of the financial system, and the rise of a new kind of privileged rich society--along with this, a rising impoverished here, and all over the world.

No wonder our president must bow down to other countries.

They may decide we don't need to exist. Then what?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:07 AM on 06/09/2009
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Now you see what the rest of the world felt like when Rome was the empire, and when Great Brittan was the empire, we are now in the cat bird seat and are fluffing it up even worse than they did.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:11 AM on 06/09/2009
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Well aren't you a little ray of sunshine this morning?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:11 AM on 06/09/2009
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You hate America and you don't support Obama.

We have nothing to talk about further than this post.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:17 AM on 06/09/2009
- horsey I'm a Fan of horsey 13 fans permalink
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Then we give them George Bush and all the conservatives for execution. Then everyone is happy.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:20 AM on 06/09/2009
- dwright I'm a Fan of dwright 314 fans permalink
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oh brother another clueless

we need to add "bow" to the list of other talking points that fox puts out

teleprompter
mustard
latte
fist-pump

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:20 AM on 06/09/2009
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Any truth to the rumor that the RNC is really a subset of the STC (SexTortureCannibalism) secret society? As has been pointed out, all Republicans are criminal by nature, all the time. I have been unmasked as an operative for the "organization", however the true nature of our evil remains hidden.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:06 AM on 06/09/2009

Allowing this type of suppression is tantamount to abandoning adherence to long-standing legal precedents and principles. The "release this and the terrorists will win" rationale is without merit - one that Obama, while running for President - called "a false choice". Remember, the CIA is not being asked to release ALL their intelligence gathering information - just the illegal torture-related materials.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:02 AM on 06/09/2009
- ObamAtomic I'm a Fan of ObamAtomic 172 fans permalink
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Since when a Director of the CIA can ask a judge to keep secrets they were not available to keep?
Subverting laws in the open is not a suitable procedures for spies,dismantle it , is not a child play.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:02 AM on 06/09/2009
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