CIA urges judge to keep detainee papers secret

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DEVLIN BARRETT | June 8, 2009 10:42 PM EST | AP

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WASHINGTON — CIA Director Leon Panetta told a federal judge Monday that releasing documents about the agency's terror interrogations would gravely damage national security.

Panetta sent a 24-page missive to New York federal judge Alvin Hellerstein, arguing that release of agency cables describing tough interrogation methods used on al-Qaida suspects would tell the enemy far too much about U.S. counterterrorism work.

The CIA director filed the papers in a lawsuit brought by the American Civil Liberties Union. The suit has already led to the unveiling of Bush administration legal memos authorizing harsh methods _ among them waterboarding, a type of simulated drowning, and slamming suspects into walls _ and a fight over releasing long-secret photos of abused detainees.

"I have determined that the disclosure of intelligence about al-Qaida reasonably could be expected to result in exceptionally grave damage to the national security by informing our enemies of what we knew about them, and when, and in some instances, how we obtained the intelligence," Panetta wrote.

Panetta acknowledges in the court papers that the CIA destroyed 92 videotapes of detainee interrogations that took place in 2002. Officials have previously said that a dozen of those tapes showed the so-called "enhanced interrogation techniques," which critics call torture. The destruction of the videotapes has spurred a criminal investigation into why they were destroyed.

The tapes _ and the interrogations _ are also an issue in the ACLU's lawsuit.

The CIA is fighting efforts to force release of the documents, including dozens of agency cables. The cables, Panetta said, describe in detail the methods used on terror suspects, the information gleaned from them and what U.S. officials still did not know at the time the suspects were being questioned.

The CIA last month denied a request by former Vice President Dick Cheney to declassify secret memos that detail whether valuable intelligence was gained from the use of the harsh interrogation techniques. Cheney said the documents show that the tactics prevented terrorist attacks and saved lives, contrary to the Obama administration's criticism of the Bush-era policies.

President Barack Obama also said last month he would try to block the court-ordered release of photos showing U.S. troops abusing prisoners, reversing his position out of concern the pictures would "further inflame anti-American opinion" and endanger U.S. forces in Iraq and Afghanistan.

WASHINGTON — CIA Director Leon Panetta told a federal judge Monday that releasing documents about the agency's terror interrogations would gravely damage national security. Panetta sent a 24-pa...
WASHINGTON — CIA Director Leon Panetta told a federal judge Monday that releasing documents about the agency's terror interrogations would gravely damage national security. Panetta sent a 24-pa...
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- rich misty I'm a Fan of rich misty 1041 fans permalink
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I am having fun which is very unusual on this topic. But I have my very own pet RNC staffer.

He's such a cute little torturing chihuahua.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:00 AM on 06/09/2009
- fallout4U I'm a Fan of fallout4U 30 fans permalink
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If any of you Libs go to Spain look out! You are guilty by association!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:00 AM on 06/09/2009
- felisa11 I'm a Fan of felisa11 23 fans permalink

why don't you go right now and let us know for sure, ok?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:01 AM on 06/09/2009
- rich misty I'm a Fan of rich misty 1041 fans permalink
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Cheney needs to see about the rain is Spain. I hear it's pleasant this time of year.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:02 AM on 06/09/2009
- rampage I'm a Fan of rampage 199 fans permalink
    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:03 AM on 06/09/2009
- ObamAtomic I'm a Fan of ObamAtomic 172 fans permalink
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Garzon is looking for 6 Rep so far,,,,

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:14 AM on 06/09/2009
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Each day that passes that we continue to have a discussion of the vices vs. virtues of t0rture or ask questions such as "Is waterboarding t0rture"?, we lose a bit more of our soul. Stupid, idealistic me actually thought that such things as separate "whites only" drinking fountains as seen in the 50's and early 60's, hosing down and turning dogs loose on African Americans, and hurting people for pleasure as portrayed in The Manchurian Candidate and The Deerhunter were all things of yesteryear. Never in my wildest dreams would I ever imagined we'd be here in 2009 snarking back and forth on these "threads" with god knows who out there in this scary world, over such a nefarious subject as t0rture...even having it come up in a conversation much less whether its right or wrong. Call me pitifully naive, but I just can't believe there are people who would, in the name of defending this past President and in the name of their continued seeking of refuge under the name of 9-1-1, actually defend causing paint to another human being in order to, ostensibly, extract information. If we're having that discussion NOW, I can only imagine what we'll be talking 25 years from now. Either way, if we're continuing to have such a discussion, like our insatiable appetite to engage in other insipid topics as pro-choice v. pro-life, it only serves as a diversionary obstacle for countless other actives of far greater consequence.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:55 AM on 06/09/2009
- regellner I'm a Fan of regellner 463 fans permalink
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Obama is trying to play both sides of the fence here; he needs to stick with what was most likely his greatest campaign promise and have greater transparency. Although not always the easiest road, this is the best way to win over not only foreign governments, but also the citizens of the US.


Raymond Gellner – Charlotte Liberal Examiner at Examiner.com
http://www.examiner.com/x-11326-Charlotte-Liberal-Examiner
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    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:54 AM on 06/09/2009
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I agree with your statement, there comes a time when sitting on the fence is no longer beneficial, you have to choose a side and jump down, I hope the President decides quickly on which side he chooses to take so I will no whether to protest him or back him.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:59 AM on 06/09/2009
- felisa11 I'm a Fan of felisa11 23 fans permalink

the President is choosing what's right. but he has all these voyeurs ready to pounce if he make a single move that they don't agree with. Get off his pee-pee and let him work,

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:06 AM on 06/09/2009
- PAposter I'm a Fan of PAposter 143 fans permalink
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Really?!? The decision to release or not release pictures and video of a kid being raped in front of his mother is a deal breaker for you? You are one sad individual...

...personally, this is not the type of transparency I was seeking...if it were your child, would you still want the world to see this violent attack?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:37 AM on 06/09/2009
- dwright I'm a Fan of dwright 313 fans permalink
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You just don't get it do you??? I think he has been very transparent about things he can be. I don't think people really understand what being the President really is about. Do you have any idea the threats this man is under?

Just think about this and see if it makes any sense what so ever:

Big Business are claiming that Obama is harming them and hates them
The people are claiming Obama is catering to Big Business and not looking out for them

This is only one issue and it goes like this for ever single issue out there now. What I see is a President trying to give the country back to the people since it hasn't been in decades. I think he is fundamentally changing the foundation and it is shaking up everything and this is definitely a good thing. Thomas Jefferson would be so proud.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:59 AM on 06/09/2009

Well stated. But the torture needs to be investigated so that it is no longer a distraction from trying to fix the country.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:14 AM on 06/09/2009
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The ballgame is not over.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:59 AM on 06/09/2009
- rampage I'm a Fan of rampage 199 fans permalink
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President Barack Obama also said last month he would try to block the court-ordered release of photos showing U.S. troops abusing prisoners, reversing his position out of concern the pictures would "further inflame anti-American opinion" and endanger U.S. forces in Iraq and Afghanistan.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:00 AM on 06/09/2009
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Each day that passes that we continue to have a discussion of the vices vs. virtues of torture or ask questions such as "Is waterboarding torture"?, we lose a bit more of our soul. Stupid, idealistic me actually thought that such things as separate "whites only" drinking fountains as seen in the 50's and early 60's, hosing down and turning dogs loose on African Americans, and hurting people for pleasure as portrayed in The Manchurian Candidate and The Deerhunter were all things of yesteryear. Never in my wildest dreams would I ever imagined we'd be here in 2009 snarking back and forth on these "threads" with god knows who out there in this scary world, over such a nefarious subject as torture...even having it come up in a conversation much less whether its right or wrong. Call me pitifully naive, but I just can't believe there are people who would, in the name of defending this past President and in the name of their continued seeking of refuge under the name of 9-1-1, actually defend causing paint to another human being in order to, ostensibly, extract information. If we're having that discussion NOW, I can only imagine what we'll be talking 25 years from now. Either way, if we're continuing to have such a discussion, like our insatiable appetite to engage in other insipid topics as pro-choice v. pro-life, it only serves as a diversionary obstacle for countless other activies of far greater consequence.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:53 AM on 06/09/2009
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It is foolish to assume that the government has ever wanted complete secrecy regarding their use of torture. Torture was publicized deliberately.

The government has until now been able to control the release of information about the use of torture and the "accidental" deaths of torture victims so as to best terrorize the target population.

Torture is, after all, most effective as a tool to coerce cooperation in a targeted population when it is publicised and when permanent mutilation and death are publicized to be a possible outcomes.

Torture is first and formost an instrument of terror.

But now information about the depravity and illegality of it all is starting to come out. They are losing control of the information flow. That wasn't the plan.

When they complain loudest we will know we are doing the right thing.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:51 AM on 06/09/2009
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We are about to go into a dark period in history if what you say is true. This means that everyone will be doing whatever they wish to do to their enemies without impunity. This needs to stop here with someone hopefully us saying we're better than that and do not choose to use these babaric tactics and will accuse and condemn anyone in our nation or abroad that does.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:53 AM on 06/09/2009
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Yes by all means we should cover up our war crimes because otherwise people would find out about them--and then where would we be? All h-e-double-toothpicks would break loose, that’s what. What the world doesn’t know won’t hurt them, right? It’s better to keep this whole thing under wraps--pretend it didn’t happen--whistle Dixie; walk on by; look the other way.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:51 AM on 06/09/2009
- felisa11 I'm a Fan of felisa11 23 fans permalink

what cave have you been hiding in? The world already knows about us torturing.

Now go back to your cave.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:56 AM on 06/09/2009

felisa : ... ( Check your Satire Meter. )


-ralph

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:07 AM on 06/09/2009
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This is again a blatant attempt to look down our noses at other nations, we can't admit we are just a barbaric as they are, as a matter of fact, probably more barbaric. We tend to call other peoples and nations savages as will perform our savage acts on them to get them to see how backward they are.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:56 AM on 06/09/2009
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Once again, the troops are being used as props by those not wanting the release of these photos.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:50 AM on 06/09/2009
- felisa11 I'm a Fan of felisa11 23 fans permalink

please explain your nonsense?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:51 AM on 06/09/2009
- dwright I'm a Fan of dwright 313 fans permalink
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I know - he needs to look at the posts below from a mother that is begging to not have them released. The soldiers are not props - the threat is real.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:55 AM on 06/09/2009
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So when the Mayor of Bahgdad warned Obama that his city would "burn" if the pics were released, you think he was kidding??

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:59 AM on 06/09/2009
- LCLiberal I'm a Fan of LCLiberal 5 fans permalink

So we can say that Dick Cheney wants to harm national security and the CIA by releasing his ballyhooed torture memos that "prove" his argument?

http://www.political-buzz.com/

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:48 AM on 06/09/2009
- blutigeroo I'm a Fan of blutigeroo 28 fans permalink
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I dont blame them for not trusting/h.ating us, we have brought them nothing but p.ain.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:44 AM on 06/09/2009
- valkyrie607 I'm a Fan of valkyrie607 106 fans permalink
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By framing this issue as a left vs. right issue, conservatives and Republicans are positioning themselves as the party of lawbreaking, torture, and sadism.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:43 AM on 06/09/2009
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They've had that postion since the days they called themselves democrats.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:44 AM on 06/09/2009
- felisa11 I'm a Fan of felisa11 23 fans permalink

what? are you high?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:47 AM on 06/09/2009
- felisa11 I'm a Fan of felisa11 23 fans permalink

they obviously don't mind as long as it could get them a few more votes.
The repugs are for sale, have been for years.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:45 AM on 06/09/2009
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Liberal translation: F**K national security, and F**K the troops. We couldn't get Bush impeached so we want to try to get him tossed in jail. Problem is they aren't bright enough to realize that if every single document was released he still wouldn't be going to jail.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:38 AM on 06/09/2009

abomination : So... Got nothin' then, huh ??


-ralph

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:40 AM on 06/09/2009
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Just calling it like it is.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:41 AM on 06/09/2009
- DrDemon I'm a Fan of DrDemon 9 fans permalink
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LOL

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:48 AM on 06/09/2009
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They are on an feeding frenzy and don't care how much they hurt the nation to prove their crazy conspiracy theories.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:41 AM on 06/09/2009
- rich misty I'm a Fan of rich misty 1041 fans permalink
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http://www.bushcommission.org/

Brig. Gen. Janis Karpinski, former commander of Abu Ghraib prison in Iraq testifies on how the abuse of prisoners in U.S. custody originated at the highest levels (audio) (text).

http://www.torturingdemocracy.org/

From the National Security Archive @ George Washington University

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:42 AM on 06/09/2009
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I think you need to go back to translating school! If your translating for me..Your Fired!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:42 AM on 06/09/2009
- valkyrie607 I'm a Fan of valkyrie607 106 fans permalink
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"If the president does it, it's not illegal," is that your point?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:42 AM on 06/09/2009
- fallout4U I'm a Fan of fallout4U 30 fans permalink
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I am so glad you Libs are getting the change you voted for. LOL!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:34 AM on 06/09/2009
- felisa11 I'm a Fan of felisa11 23 fans permalink

It is going just fine and it's absolutely wonderful to sip your whine everyday,.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:35 AM on 06/09/2009
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So are the libs.Good Riddance.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:35 AM on 06/09/2009
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Appreciate the encouraging words!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:38 AM on 06/09/2009
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Your laugh of hysteria is not healthy, just enjoy the fact that after 8 long years under the control of your fearmongorers, we woke up and voted for change, and if you took the time to pay attention, you would notice that much change has already taken place in 4-5 months, and we have almost 8 years to realize even more....don't look now, but your smile I believe is about to turn upside down.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:39 AM on 06/09/2009
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Eight years? It seems like the GOP is trying to quadruple that!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:55 AM on 06/09/2009
- DrDemon I'm a Fan of DrDemon 9 fans permalink
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I'm so ecstatic, I'M WET !

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:50 AM on 06/09/2009
- cleveyucks I'm a Fan of cleveyucks 10 fans permalink
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"I have determined that the disclosure of intelligence about al-Qaida reasonably could be expected to result in exceptionally grave damage to the national security by informing our enemies of what we knew about them, and when, and in some instances, how we obtained the intelligence,"

I wonder if by "our enemies" he means the American people and the justice system?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:33 AM on 06/09/2009
- felisa11 I'm a Fan of felisa11 23 fans permalink

if you talking about the american terrrorists(repugs) you could have a point.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:34 AM on 06/09/2009

felisa : ... Among other things the Rethugs consider ' Enemies '...


-ralph

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:59 AM on 06/09/2009
- fcsakes I'm a Fan of fcsakes 95 fans permalink
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No, they're terrified that the American public, who paid for all this and thought our military was 'honorable,' will find out what really went on in the cells of torture.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:59 AM on 06/09/2009
- susierr I'm a Fan of susierr 20 fans permalink
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I'm afraid one of these days we will see teenagers drowning trying to waterboard eachother. I hope that doesn't happen but they keep showing these pictures.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:32 AM on 06/09/2009
- felisa11 I'm a Fan of felisa11 23 fans permalink

repugs don't care about people just fetuses.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:38 AM on 06/09/2009
- PAposter I'm a Fan of PAposter 143 fans permalink
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They don't really care about fetuses either...they just need a counter argument for Choice...that and the fact that they can't have no women making decisions...that's a man's job. They are a bunch of primitive pigs!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:57 AM on 06/09/2009
- fcsakes I'm a Fan of fcsakes 95 fans permalink
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I've been worrying about the same thing. Even toddlers might want to give it a try. They are always trying to emulate "grownups."

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:01 AM on 06/09/2009
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