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DAVID ESPO | June 8, 2009 09:41 PM EST | AP

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WASHINGTON — Senior House Democrats drafting health care legislation are considering slapping an unspecified financial penalty on anyone who refuses to purchase affordable health insurance, a key committee chairman said Monday.

In addition, officials said Democrats are considering a new tax on certain health insurance benefits as one of numerous options to help pay for expanding coverage to the uninsured. No details on the tax were immediately available, and no final decisions were expected until next week at the earliest.

These officials said drafters of the legislation will include a government-run insurance option as well as plans offered by private companies. The government option draws near-unanimous opposition from Republicans and provokes concerns among many Democrats, as well, although President Barack Obama has spoken out in favor of it.

Under the emerging House Democratic plan, individuals and small businesses would be able to purchase coverage from a "health exchange" and the government would require all plans to contain a minimum benefit, these officials added. No applicant could be rejected for pre-existing conditions, nor could they be charged a higher premium, they said.

House Democrats also are considering a wide-ranging change for Medicaid that would provide a uniform benefit across all 50 states and increase payments to health professionals, according to several officials. Medicaid is a state-federal program of health coverage for the poor.

The officials spoke on condition of anonymity, saying they did not want to pre-empt a presentation to rank-and-file Democrats on Tuesday.

At the same time, Rep. Charles Rangel, D-N.Y., chairman of the House Ways and Means Committee, confirmed the proposed penalty for those who refuse to purchase coverage they can afford, referring to it as "play or pay."

"There is no use having a mandate without a contribution," he said.

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Waivers would be available for those who could not cover the cost of insurance.

The disclosures came as the pace of activity quickened in both the House and Senate on health insurance legislation, a top priority for the administration. Obama is scheduled to meet Tuesday afternoon at the White House with several Democrats.

Democratic leaders hope to pass legislation in both houses by the first few days of August, and complete work on a compromise measure in the fall for Obama's signature.

Obama has stepped up his own involvement in the issue in recent days, and there has been a flurry of negotiations involving outside interest groups who have pledged to take steps to achieve savings within the private insurance market.

Alongside those efforts, financing Obama's plan to spread coverage more widely carries a price tag estimated at higher than $1 trillion over a decade. House Democrats are considering cutting projected Medicare payments to home health care, pharmaceutical companies, insurance companies, hospitals and others to cover costs.

The option for taxing insurance benefits is also under consideration as part of legislation taking shape across the Capitol in the Senate Finance Committee.

Numerous options are possible, many involving either a tax levied according to the value of an individual's employer-provided health plan, or on the benefits received by upper-income taxpayers.

The issue poses multiple potential problems for Obama, who has pledged not to raise taxes on individuals making less than $250,000 and also ran commercials during the presidential campaign criticizing GOP rival Sen. John McCain's call for a tax on health benefits.

In recent weeks, the president and his aides have sought to straddle the issue, neither accepting it nor ruling it out.

Equally troublesome politically is the issue of a government insurance option. Critics argue it would render private companies unable to compete, and it has emerged as a key sticking point in the Democratic search for a bipartisan plan in the Senate.

All the Republicans on the Senate Finance Committee except one wrote Obama recently telling him he was making a mistake if he insisted on a government option. The exception was Sen. Olympia Snowe, R-Maine, who has been trying to find a compromise that would make a government plan available as a last resort if health insurance remains unaffordable for many families even after Congress overhauls the system.

Even before last fall's general election, health care was a key issue in the battle for the Democratic presidential nomination. Obama proposed requiring parents to buy health insurance for children, with a possible fine if parents refused. But he would not insist that all adults buy insurance.

Secretary of State Hillary Rodham Clinton, who was a New York senator at the time as well as a presidential candidate, said a mandate was essential. At one point, she said she was open to garnisheeing the wages of anyone who refused to comply.

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Associated Press writer Ricardo Alonso-Zaldivar contributed to this report.

WASHINGTON — Senior House Democrats drafting health care legislation are considering slapping an unspecified financial penalty on anyone who refuses to purchase affordable health insurance, a ke...
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- rxvette I'm a Fan of rxvette 34 fans permalink

We need a public option. Read this to learn more about successful healthcare reform in America - http://rxvette.blogspot.com/2009/06/biggest-key-to-health-care-reform-in-us.html

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:49 PM on 06/29/2009
- jeanwny I'm a Fan of jeanwny 8 fans permalink

A simple solution, DO NOT re-elect the members of Congress, Democratic or Republican that are on the insurance companies dole and vote against a fair and equitable "COMPETATIVE" optional plan that offers an alternative to the current high cost, high profit plan favored by the insurance companies and the HMO's. Seems pretty basic!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:56 PM on 06/15/2009
- Trittydi I'm a Fan of Trittydi 59 fans permalink
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This is so important that it's breaking my heart. Congress gets marvelous free health care and we get nothing.
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    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:08 PM on 06/10/2009
- Chaimirija I'm a Fan of Chaimirija 56 fans permalink
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me too...cept the more I think about it THEMOREPIS­SEDOFFIGET

fight it...tell them: NO MANDATES..this is a REPUBLICAN SOLN

if the govt is not going to pay my premiums they have NO RIGHT TO HAVE THE IRS ENFORCE PAYMENT TO A PRIVATE FOR PROFIT CORPORATIO­N...THISIS­BULLSHIT

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:51 PM on 06/14/2009
- Trittydi I'm a Fan of Trittydi 59 fans permalink
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They're overlooking statistics on how many people already have health care but can't afford to use it. That group includes US. It costs us SO much. It costs a small fortune to have it - and then if we use it it also costs a small fortune.

So we can't afford to use it - it's there only there for emergencies - like my recent heart operation.

America's health care situation is literally killing Americans and the congress doesn't give a god damn.
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    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:04 PM on 06/10/2009
- Trittydi I'm a Fan of Trittydi 59 fans permalink
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No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no - NO!

Easy for them. They don't pay a dime for health care. They get socialized medicine - A marvelous health care plan - but it's NOT good enough for us - no sir!

Okay - they can force people to PAY for insurance policies IF - and ONLY IF -- they have a completely free, COMPREHENSIVE public OPTION with NO TRIGGERS.

By COMPREHENSIVE I mean that it covers EVERYTHING - So that people don't ALSO need to buy a health insurance policy.

Otherwise -- NO FRICKIN' WAY DEMS!!
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    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:00 PM on 06/10/2009
- RandVictims I'm a Fan of RandVictims 105 fans permalink
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The undeclared mission statement of the Modern Conservative movement is the enslaving of 99% of the country - anyone not in the elitists cliques are subject to slave factory labor or servitude as expendable soldiers.

That said, - a **working national healthcare system** (in addition to powerful collective labor rights) would be good for working and old people, but very bad for Conservatives who have been counting on the status-quo Capitalist system and poisonous crony-mass-produced foods to take care of the "population problem" they've been crying about since the 70s.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:30 PM on 06/10/2009
- mrfreeze I'm a Fan of mrfreeze 130 fans permalink
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Rand - Why then do so many Americans buy into the Conservative movement? Is it that we're that stupid?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:01 PM on 06/10/2009
- Trittydi I'm a Fan of Trittydi 59 fans permalink
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Rand is right - and yes - they're THAT stupid. Not a lot of critical thinking going on in the general population. Ignorance is bliss. However ...

One of the weapons the Reich uses is keeping people so overworked, tired, beaten-down, sick and poor -- that they don't have time to worry about government and how they're being screwed. It's working.
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    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:55 PM on 06/10/2009
- research I'm a Fan of research 236 fans permalink

And the MSM is the plutocrats Propaganda outlet.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:58 PM on 06/10/2009
- mrfreeze I'm a Fan of mrfreeze 130 fans permalink
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Democratic Health Care = Let's do something!

Republican Health Care = Don't get sick.

This whole discussion highlights just how cruel we've become to ourselves as a people.

I hold out no hope for Americans to have universal health care. We've become nothing more than indentured servants to our employers and the insurance industry. As long as we are a "profit center" nothing will change.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:28 AM on 06/10/2009
- lianmolive I'm a Fan of lianmolive 10 fans permalink

It amazes me when people say, "What?! You want government to run healthcare?" Hmmm.... well let's think about this. Who runs the fire department, the police, the FBI, the courts, the military? None are privatized. And when they are, like Blackwater, well that spells trouble.

Can you imagine that your right to call the police would be dependent upon whether you paid a monthly premium?

So the answer is... Yes. Much better than having for-profit insurance.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:29 PM on 06/09/2009
- Trittydi I'm a Fan of Trittydi 59 fans permalink
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The right says "they want government between you and your doctors" -- NO - that's what we have NOW - the insurance company is COMPLETELY between us and our doctors. The government would simply pay for your health care - end of story.
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    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:06 PM on 06/10/2009
- averygard I'm a Fan of averygard 15 fans permalink

Why, why, why does the left (or what passes for it in government) keep kowtowing and giving a damn what the repugs like or dislike? Newsflash: They DID NOT WIN. Why are we paying any attention at all? Most assuredly, they would not care whether we liked a plan or not if they had enough representatives to pass it.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:01 PM on 06/09/2009
- lj9283 I'm a Fan of lj9283 67 fans permalink
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There is no competition if all the plans are inbred designed collusion by the current Health Care Insurance industry with no regulation on profit for basic coverage.

An example of Health Insurance Industry scamming the public can be seen with the CIGNA (one of the 10 largest Health Insurance providers in the Country) admission of guilt to the Attorney General of New York this past February:

http://www.crainsnewyork.com/article/20090217/FREE/902179965

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:05 PM on 06/09/2009

I'm not for or against single payor, however, I do want everyone to consider the health care costs today. I mean look at the totality of claims submitted today to all Self-funded and fully insured plans, as well as those that can't be billed.

Look how much prescriptions cost, and I don't mean the discounts or co-pays that folks are paying at the pharmacist. Now imagine 300 million people covered and a number of people not covered who would then have access to all of the prescriiptions and health treatments. Let's also look at how network discounts will be paid if there's a single payor. What happens to those, not to mention the loss of jobs if a ton of networks are shut down.

Who's going to police the healthcare fraud committed on a daily basis in our country by overbilling providers and fake providers submitting fake claims. When did any of you review a hospital audit of all of the outrageous charges on the bill? Many people don't even know the breakdown of their hospital charges.

I can tell you from experience, if you looked at some of the fraudulent claims that I've seen, and the high cost of cancer and AIDS treatments, gastric by-pass, etc, your heads might explode. Most ins. companies are not making a lot of profit because the losses from these claims and the expenses to staff and administer plans are phenomenal. Now imagine your government doing that.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:58 PM on 06/09/2009
- oldngrumpy I'm a Fan of oldngrumpy 235 fans permalink
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The insurance companies and providers purposefully obfuscate billing to conceal their corruption. A single form standard and single source of payment would eliminate this expensive dodge. Hospitals could bill for all procedures performed within their facility and the individual providers could be paid from that. When the goal is to provide care instead of withholding it the game changes for everyone. Providers assured of their payment without having to spend 25% of their time arguing their case could lower fees and come out ahead.

My wife was undergoing chemo a few months ago and her pharmacy bill alone was over $4000 pr month. Most of that was one drug that ran $110 pr pill. A representative of the drug company actually told me that the raw material and labor cost of the pill wasn't over $1. He said the company had to make it's money before the drug was recalled or something better came along. Ya, lets make a killing on faulty goods before the market can catch up.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:06 PM on 06/09/2009
- kesmarn I'm a Fan of kesmarn 77 fans permalink

Where is the documentation for the statement that "most ins. companies are not making a lot of profit"?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:52 PM on 06/09/2009
- lianmolive I'm a Fan of lianmolive 10 fans permalink

There are a lot of areas that need to be addressed. As I said before, the reform of healthcare isn't just getting everyone insured... we need preventative care, billing abuse, more hospitals/clinics, etc.

I am for universal healthcare, but I can definitely see how there's going to be fraud. So either some rich doctors get richer or for-profit insurers get richer.

Re: employees who would lose their jobs... unfortunately that's not enough of a reason to say no to Single Payer system... it would be like saying no to a polluting industry because of the lost employees. We would never be able to evolve and innovate.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:06 PM on 06/09/2009
- Tulka2 I'm a Fan of Tulka2 222 fans permalink
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It drives me crazy to hear variations of "we cannot afford single payer".

The U.S. taxpayer bailed out the planet's oligarchy in September '08. In February this year a Paris auction sold off Yves Saint Laurent's furniture.....just for instance. The rich came (thank god they still money!) and bought millions of dollars worth of knick-knacks. An Eileen Gray chair (a chair!) went for 28 million dollars.

Oh my God. It would just kill them if a person went from three billion a year to five hundred million. There are not that many of them and they have ALL THE MONEY!

Wake up, people. We will have single payer, the rich will pay for it and they will still be rich. It will mean making some noise. So make some f__ing noise!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:54 PM on 06/09/2009
- greatscot I'm a Fan of greatscot 31 fans permalink

Everyone is ignoring Medicare - the most successful Gov't run health-care system ever! With a few tweaks it can be successful for another 44 years! But just listen to the Republicans, and a few turn-coat Dems, and we'd have to believe that the US is the ONLY country that SIMPLY CANNOT POSSIBLY AFFORD HEALTH-CARE FOR ALL! That's a load of nonsense- a single-payer health care system would provide BETTER coverage for ALL for LESS MONEY than we currently spend. It's time we all contacted our Democratic congresspersons (forget the Republicans - they are useless, they don't vote for the people's interests, and are in the pockets of the mega-corporations) to let them know that if they cheat us on this, yet again, WE WILL TURN THEM OUT at the earliest opportunity! We want a single-payer, Gov't-run program, like Medicare, that does NOT involve us paying premiums to a private health-insurance company. The health-insurance and big pharma companies are the lying theives who got us into this mess in the first place! WE ARE WATCHING and TAKING NOTES! And don't try to kill the legislation by attaching impossible conditions, like mandating private insurance, or taxing existing private insurance, which is a great way to turn the haves against the have-nots. How responsible would that be? To start a class-war just so Congress can evade, once again, its responsibility! The time to act on single-payer health care for all is NOW!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:15 PM on 06/09/2009
- oldngrumpy I'm a Fan of oldngrumpy 235 fans permalink
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Employer provided health care coverage is threatening to, or already has, make America totally non-competitive in the world. Toyota chose Canada for their biggest plant because they didn't have the burden of providing health care for thousands of employees. They said they didn't want to be an insurance subsidiary that made cars on the side.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:39 PM on 06/09/2009
- LCLA I'm a Fan of LCLA 19 fans permalink
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The proposal to tax health care benefits sounds like a plan to generate a huge antipathy toward the whole effort and give an excuse for doing nothing... AGAIN!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:07 PM on 06/09/2009
- frappe I'm a Fan of frappe 204 fans permalink
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You know, we've all heard about the former Governor of Illinois' "pay to play" schemes. Well, isn't that exactly what is going on now -- pretty noticeably, too -- in the negotiations involving health care reform and the so called "public option". Lobbyists are spending tens, if not hundreds of millions of dollars to insure that the public option either is completely ignored or is designed with fatal flaws so as not to be able to effectively compete with the private plans. Our so called representatives are bending over backwards to appease these special interests, and their supposed constituencies, that is, "you and me and your next door neighbors", are only secondary considerations.

Folks, this is "pay to play". If you don't feel it is, then tell me why.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:30 PM on 06/09/2009
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