Obama Endorses Pay-As-You-Go

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ANDREW TAYLOR | June 9, 2009 08:42 PM EST | AP

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President Barack Obama delivers remarks on the new tax or entitlement policies for the pay-as-you-go plan in an announcement, Tuesday, June 9, 2009, in the East Room of the White House in Washington. (AP Photo/Pablo Martinez Monsivais)

WASHINGTON — President Barack Obama on Tuesday proposed budget rules that would allow Congress to borrow tens of billions of dollars and put the nation deeper in debt to jump-start the administration's emerging health care overhaul.

The "pay-as-you-go" budget formula plan is significantly weaker than a proposal Obama issued with little fanfare last month.

It would carve out about $2.5 trillion worth of exemptions for Obama's priorities over the next decade. His health care reform plan also would get a green light to run big deficits in its early years. But over a decade, Congress would have to come up with money to cover those early year deficits.

Obama's latest proposal for addressing deficits urges Congress to pass a law requiring lawmakers to pay for new spending programs and tax cuts without further adding to exploding deficits projected to total about $10 trillion over the next decade.

If new spending or tax reductions are not offset, there would be automatic cuts in so-called mandatory programs _ although Social Security payments and the Medicaid health care program for poor and disabled would be exempt and cuts to Medicare would be sharply limited.

"The 'pay-as-you-go' rule is very simple," Obama said. "Congress can only spend a dollar if it saves a dollar elsewhere."

Last month Obama suggested a tougher plan that would prohibit Congress from swelling the deficit in one year by putting off until later years the tax increases or spending cuts to pay for it.

The requirement for legislation to be financed over the coming decade generally mirrors existing congressional rules and reflects the likelihood that Obama's health care plan will add many billions of dollars to the deficit in the early years. Savings and revenues in later years would have to make up for the initial deficits.

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Congress lived under a so-called "pay-go" regime in the 1990s and the early years of this decade. But it didn't stop lawmakers from passing President George W. Bush's landmark 2001 and 2003 tax cuts and big increases in farm subsidies without making the required spending cuts elsewhere. A $127 billion surplus in 2001 subsequently turned into deficits over the next four years of $159 billion, $377 billion, $413 billion and $319 billion.

The rules still exist and lawmakers routinely find ways around them. For example, a bill to effectively double GI Bill education benefits was enacted last year. Congress also regularly waives the rules to pass an annual "patch" to the alternative minimum tax, sparing some 20 million families from a $2,000 tax increase on average.

Still, Democrats profess a faith in pay-as-you-go rules.

"It is no coincidence that this rule was in place when we moved from record deficits to record surpluses in the 1990s _ and that when this rule was abandoned, we returned to record deficits that doubled the national debt," Obama said.

In fact, the surpluses of the late 1990s were largely due to a huge influx of tax revenues from a booming economy.

Rep. Dennis Moore, D-Kan., said the House is likely to pass Obama's latest proposal next month. The plan faces far tougher sledding in the Senate, where Budget Committee Chairman Kent Conrad, D-N.D., has expressed serious reservations.

Conrad said Obama's proposal does nothing about the fiscal perils the country already faces, including deficits that the Congressional Budget Office predicts will average nearly $1 trillion a year over the next decade.

"I remain concerned about the potential effect of this proposal on American farmers, seniors and veterans," said Sen. Max Baucus, D-Mont., chairman of the Senate Finance Committee.

Republicans said new budget rules ring hollow in the wake of the Obama-championed $787 billion stimulus package and other deficit spending. They said legal limits on appropriations should be put into place as they were in the 1990s, though such "caps" were easily evaded when surpluses appeared.

Congress is just ramping up the annual appropriations process, which in the House would award increases averaging 12 percent to non-defense programs. Obama's proposal does not include the comparable "caps" from the 1990s.

"Time after time this year, Democrats have ignored calls for fiscal responsibility," said House GOP leader John Boehner of Ohio. "We don't need more rhetoric and gimmicks. We need action to tackle the tremendous fiscal challenges facing this nation."

Obama's proposal would require future tax cuts to be financed by tax increases elsewhere. But again, he carves out several exceptions, including for an extension of Bush's tax cuts due to expire in 2011 and relief from the alternative minimum tax.

The federal deficit is on pace to explode past $1.8 trillion this year, more than four times last year's all-time high. The record borrowing is credited with pushing up interest rates, which could imperil chances for a recovery later in the year.

WASHINGTON — President Barack Obama on Tuesday proposed budget rules that would allow Congress to borrow tens of billions of dollars and put the nation deeper in debt to jump-start the administr...
WASHINGTON — President Barack Obama on Tuesday proposed budget rules that would allow Congress to borrow tens of billions of dollars and put the nation deeper in debt to jump-start the administr...
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Paygo will not work unless Obama (who increased Bush's budget eight-fold) a) raises taxes on everyone that works and b) prints more money (thus devaluing the dollar and causing 70s style inflation). The Chinese are finished lending new money to us (they actually laughed at Geithner) and will start buying gold instead of US Treasuries.

Another hair brained idea from Pelosi, who also wants to tax retirement income to pay for a balanced budget the Dems can claim in the next election. What good is a balanced budget if your 2009 dollars are worth $0.85 in 2010 and $0.50 in 2012?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:59 PM on 06/10/2009

Republicans are criticizing PAYGO? Can Republicans be any more hypocritical?

The Party of Debt from Ronald Reagan To George W. has given us 10 trillion in debt - when times were good!!!

Bill Clinton paid down the debt when times were good with PAYGO.

Now Republicans would rather us see "The Great Depression Part II" rather than use government spending, and debt, to get us out of the ditch the republican free market feudalists have left us with. Now, that is, after Obama is elected as Republicans borrowed and spent over 800 billion to start the much needed 'bailout' of their mess.

Republicans are the ones with zero credibility when it comes to debt and the economy!

But is it any news Republicans are hypocritical? Only if you haven't been paying attention.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:31 AM on 06/10/2009
- pepperdude I'm a Fan of pepperdude 2 fans permalink

THE PREZ IS QUICKLY BECOMING A COMEDIAN. I LAUGHED WHEN I SAW THIS ON MORNING J. BUT I SUPPOSE THE MSM, ENTHRALLED AND IN LOVE AS IT IS WITH THIS PREZ IS COMMITTING THE SAME ERROR, (FOR DIFFERENT REASONS) AS IT DID WITH THE FORMER PREZ. NOT HOLDING HIM TO ACCOUNT.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:21 AM on 06/10/2009
- ElsaIndy I'm a Fan of ElsaIndy 15 fans permalink

Obama is becoming a joke. Medicare costs are soaring. Healthcare will soon be 20% of the GNP. We need to find a way to contain health care costs by budgeting healthcare. Right now healthcare is open-ended. It needs to be put in the budget just like defense and education and so on. Adding millions to the medicare rolls and funding the whole thing with borrowed money from China is madness.

The way to deal with healthcare is to budget it. Budget medicare. And Obama needs to tell the American public something not happy: we cannot all have everything we want and the way we currently practice healthcare is unaffordable. Our chickens have come home to roast. But we will look at other healthcare systems and see if we can re-model our healthcare system to provide quality affordable care on a fixed budget.

Obama will not do this because he promises us we can have everything. He says we will simply borrow it from China. He never asks the American public to sacrifce for anytning. Obama is just another politician with brilliant PR.

Obama wi

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:18 AM on 06/10/2009
- AhnAmuru I'm a Fan of AhnAmuru 10 fans permalink
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Hez'bollah - that you?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:44 AM on 06/10/2009

The Chinese are finished lending new money to us (they actually laughed at Geithner) and will start buying gold instead of US Treasuries. They think Obama is a joke

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:01 PM on 06/10/2009
- AhnAmuru I'm a Fan of AhnAmuru 10 fans permalink
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There're still the Indians, Russians, Africans, Austrlians, ...

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:04 PM on 06/10/2009

I am sorry I can not believe that this or any other administration would be serious about Pay as you go, and Congress? Well please, they can find new ways we have not even dreamed of for wasting our money. This is all PR and failed miserably, Just look at the reaction on this site, no one cares cause everyone knows it is BS.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:48 AM on 06/10/2009
- conniedogs I'm a Fan of conniedogs 13 fans permalink

Thank you....I've about lost all respect for this guy.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:13 AM on 06/10/2009
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How does pay-as-you-go jive with a $1.8 trillion budget deficit, where the deficit last year was only a paltry $800 billion?

Also, the surpluses of the 1990s were from shifting Social Security surplus cash from the trust fund to the general fund and replacing them with treasury notes.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:47 AM on 06/10/2009
- jordan3189 I'm a Fan of jordan3189 20 fans permalink

Where was this idea four months ago? What a hypocrite!!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:06 AM on 06/10/2009
- Altruth I'm a Fan of Altruth 58 fans permalink

Write Bush a letter and get it off your chest! What do you expect President Obama to do, go on a spending diet because Bush ran our country into the ground and also spent all of the surplus Clinton left. Business have to go on and the middle class and the poor need health care, jobs, etc.. The GOP have been good to the rich, now it is time for the middle class and the poor!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:20 AM on 06/10/2009
- jordan3189 I'm a Fan of jordan3189 20 fans permalink

That's the excuse you are running with?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:30 AM on 06/10/2009

If you agree that it is time for the middle class, watch Congress closely. President Obama said that taxes would increase only for people who make over $250,000, but the Cap and Trade bill being debated in Congress will raise taxes on the lower and middle class. From the Washington Post (http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/05/31/AR2009053102077.html):
"The Congressional Budget Office recently estimated that the resulting increases in consumer prices needed to achieve a 15 percent CO2 reduction -- slightly less than the Waxman-Markey target -- would raise the cost of living of a typical household by $1,600 a year. Some expert studies estimate that the cost to households could be substantially higher. The future cost to the typical household would rise significantly as the government reduces the total allowable amount of CO2."
According to the bill it will only affect individuals making $24,000/year and couples making $48,000/year. This is a lower income and middle class tax.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:56 AM on 06/10/2009

This was passed three years ago and Obama chose to ignore it. Now he wants to reinstate it with new rules. He gets to make exceptions but the rest of congress has to follow it.It has no value if he can make exceptions anytime he wants. Why doesnt he just take our taxpayer money and buy himself a crown with it if he gets to run everything, appoint czars every week and now change the PAYGO rule so he can make exceptions?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:24 AM on 06/10/2009

The answer to the word "spending" is the word "investment". If progressives would stop buying into the conservatives' language, and create their own, I believe that people would start to think about this in a different way. If we choose to invest in the American people by providing them with the health care that is necessary for them to lead productive lives, our economy would grow and this would not be a boom but sustainable growth.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:08 AM on 06/10/2009
- Cleanerman I'm a Fan of Cleanerman 15 fans permalink
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All of Congress, Repugs and Democrats are to blame. Bush and Co. ran up huge deficits, created the Department of Homeland Defense, both parties were guilty of creating less regulation of Wall Street goings on and so forth. Anyway, all those deficits, and then Obama was forced by Bushe's bad behavior to apply stimulus (more deficit spending) to try to save America from falling into an abyss. It is all just building upon itself. Very scary. One day, we will have to face the deficit spending which will mean taxes. Wow, can you imagine the lowest taxed country in the industrialized West increasing taxes? I gotta get a tea-bag party organized! Can't allow that to happen. Americans are so silly and greedy.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:18 PM on 06/09/2009

Agreed, this will never happen and was all for show.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:49 AM on 06/10/2009
- vippy I'm a Fan of vippy 64 fans permalink

Cut the defense budget down to size. Why would the USA need 40% of every dollar for our defense,
when they don't do anything for the people trying to defend their country. Defend the country for what?
USA is spending more on defense than the whole rest of the globe together. Why do we need so much for blowing up things?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:12 PM on 06/09/2009
- COPerez I'm a Fan of COPerez 53 fans permalink
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So true: and both parties are to blame. Nobody wants to be "weak on defense" and the budget has ballooned out of control. Where's that Peace Dividend?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:56 PM on 06/09/2009

3 problems with that right now, we are engaged in 2 wars and with things getting more unstable by the day with North Korea, our military may actually be too weak right now to handle all this. Then dont forget about Iran, I fear Isreal will take matters into their own hands sooner than later.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:51 AM on 06/10/2009
- rxvette I'm a Fan of rxvette 34 fans permalink

We have to find a way to pay for healthcare and I believe universal care itself with drive down costs along with electronic medical records. But in addition I believe that implementing a national consumption tax would be another option to help with this. If we do nothing then our healthcare system will continue to fail patients like the one in the story below:

http://rxvette.blogspot.com/2009/05/healthcare-reform-touches-home.html

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:07 PM on 06/09/2009

Just wondering how you guys come back against arguements like what this guy is saying, more specifically when they throw the "headlines" from other countries into like this guy did at the bottom of the article.

http://www.theragingelephant.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=196:why-nationalized-health-care-is-not-the-answer&catid=1:latest-news

Is this really something we need to worry about? I mean its not like these headlines are made up, they are real, and it has happened. Is it as bad as they make it out to be, or is it just another scare tactic by the right?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:57 PM on 06/09/2009

No country or system is perfect. Yes, there is always going to be room for improvement.

The headlines are meant to sell newspapers. How many times have you read a headline, decided to read the article, and then it turns out that the headline is misleading?

What this person is not choosing to mention is that people in other countries live longer than we do, have lower infant mortality, receive far better quality of care in everyday life, including real diagnosis of underlying problems rather than receiving only symptomatic treatment (I myself saw 18 specialists, and was prescribed 18 different medications, when I had one underlying cause of all those symptoms, and once the problem was properly diagnosed by a French doctor, was able to quit all the medications), have far better end-of-life care, and are treated not just for illness, but to improve the overall quality of their health.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:56 PM on 06/09/2009

(cont'd.) This person writes, "I bet most Americans who say that they can’t afford or don’t have adequate health insurance also spend hundreds of dollars each year on clothes (which they don’t need), have several pairs of shoes (which they also dont need), wear $200 designer sunglasses (don’t get me started on this one), and own several thousand dollars worth of jewelry. (guess what? They don't need that either). They would rather spend their money on frivolous items and nonessentials than to set aside money for health care, and then complain to the government when they don’t have the money to pay off their hospital and doctor visit costs."

Shades of the welfare queens living in the Waldorf hotel--something proven to be a myth. In fact, many Americans without health insurance have been made ineligible (myself included--I am obese, despite the fact that I climbed the Alps at this weight--let's see the bureaucrats do that), or have figured out that it's cheaper to buy a plane ticket to Europe to receive superior health care there, or have some other reason for not affording it, like making minimum-wage salaries.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:59 PM on 06/09/2009

My own parents pay for Medicare, Medigap, Medicare Part D, and several other insurance policies even though they may see a doctor once every five years and take no medications, simply because they are forced to buy all these policies to protect themselves from the insurance companies. I'm sure their $800+ a month they send to these companies could be better used to pay for their other retirement expenses, or saved in the case of needing long-term care. However, if they don't buy these now, they will be penalized in the future.

I lived overseas and received an excellent standard of care in Canada, the United Kingdom, France, Germany, Italy, and even Czechoslovakia. I have never run into anyone who was refused treatment based on age or medical condition. It's true that one may have to wait for elective surgery, although I never knew anyone who experienced such a wait.

And as for the wait to be treated, if I want to see my dentist for non-emergency services, I had better make my appointment four months in advance. When I needed a filling in France, my dentist said, "Can you come by tomorrow afternoon at 4 p.m.?"

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:05 AM on 06/10/2009

"It's as if the administration and these Democrat leaders are living in an alternate universe," said House Republican Whip Eric Cantor of Virginia. "The quickest way to save money is to stop recklessly spending it."

The fact that the republicans are saying this now does not negate the fact that they should have been saying it for the last 8 years! They would love for the American people to continue to suffer simply because they broke the economy and ran up the deficit to record highs! So because of their mistakes, we shouldn't get health care reform?

Go away, Cantor -- you are irrelevant!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:28 PM on 06/09/2009
- teron678 I'm a Fan of teron678 117 fans permalink
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so true ... the hypocrisy in his statement is no surprise tough

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:35 PM on 06/09/2009
- teron678 I'm a Fan of teron678 117 fans permalink
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though*

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:35 PM on 06/09/2009

Democrats were in charge (except for the WH, obviously) for the last 2 years of the Bush administration. So let's slap them all silly for the incredible, irresponsible overspending that took place.

But for Obama, who's exceeded even Bush's wild imagines on the spending front, to pretend he's not a huge part of the problem is ... mind-boggling.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:58 PM on 06/09/2009
- teron678 I'm a Fan of teron678 117 fans permalink
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Obama is fixing your Party's Mess ... You Spend in a time of a recession .. hence the stimulus ...

The hypocrisy coming from the party who ran on "Fiscal Conservatism" & "Small Government" ... after seeing what they did when they had 6 years of full control .... is laughable ...

Obama didn't run on these themes .... wasn't he a (tax & spend) Liberal according to you folks ...

Conservatism + Power = Failure ....... the last 8 years can attest to that ...

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:19 PM on 06/09/2009
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President Obama has it right here, and the answer is a carbon tax. It's the simplest, cleanest way to get renewable energy accomplished, goes directly after the problem of global warming, slows funds going to the middle east and provides the resources to pay for health care as a single payer option. The system is broken throughout and only a multifacited solution has a chance to fix it.
Note: Though Democrats had congress during the last two years of Bush W, they lacked filibuster proof and veto proof majorities. Republicans will do all they can to weaken, water down or stop progressive change. This not for the purpose of helping the nation, but rather to regain power in 2010 - to then reward their corporate owners. It's really treason as a form of political theater.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:56 PM on 06/09/2009
- Altruth I'm a Fan of Altruth 58 fans permalink

Why didn't you tell that to Bush when he was spending BILLIONS on two wars. if you didn't tell him you still can, he is living LARGE in Texas now!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:28 AM on 06/10/2009
- Altruth I'm a Fan of Altruth 58 fans permalink

"Icantbelieveher", my apology for the previous post, I took what you were quoting as your words!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:32 AM on 06/10/2009
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