TARP Watchdog: Stress Tests Relied On Too Rosy A Scenario

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ANNE FLAHERTY | June 9, 2009 12:45 PM EST | AP

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WASHINGTON — A government test of whether 19 major banks could survive a further downturn in the economy may have relied on too rosy a scenario and should be repeated, independent investigators say.

In a report released Tuesday, the Congressional Oversight Panel for the government's $700 billion financial rescue effort found that the Federal Reserve used a "conservative and reasonable" approach to assessing the health of the nation's biggest banks.

But, the panel added, the Fed's worst-case scenario does not go far enough. For example, the "stress tests" conducted by the Fed were based on the 2009 unemployment rate average of 8.9 percent. Unemployment in May climbed to 9.4 percent.

"While no one should gainsay the potentially positive results of the tests, it would be equally unwise to think that those results reflect a diagnosis of all of the potential weaknesses or create a necessarily sufficient buffer against future reverses for the banking system," the panel wrote.

Asked about the findings of the oversight board, Treasury Secretary Timothy Geithner defended the stress tests, saying they were rigorous and used projected loss estimates for the banks that were worse than any two-year period during the Great Depression.

Geithner told a Senate Appropriations subcommittee that the stress tests had been "very carefully designed" and had played an important role in restoring confidence in the system.

Elizabeth Warren, the Harvard University law professor who heads the panel, told lawmakers on Tuesday that the Fed should release more details about how it conducted the tests.

"Without this information, it is not possible for anyone to replicate the tests to determine how robust they are or to vary the assumptions to see whether different projections might yield very different results," Warren told the Joint Economic Committee.

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Last month, the Fed found that 10 of the 19 banks needed additional capital. Bank of America, Citigroup and Wells Fargo are among the banks told to boost capital by a total of $75 billion to cover potential losses.

Fed officials said Monday that plans submitted by those banks, if implemented, would be enough to help them survive a deeper recession.

The Congressional Oversight Panel says that additional capital held by the banks should not be interpreted as an end to the financial crisis.

The panel recommended that the Fed repeat stress testing so long as banks continue to hold large amounts of bad debt on their books. The panel also suggests that banks be required to run their own internal stress tests and share those results with federal regulators.

Last fall, the Treasury Department created the $700 billion Troubled Asset Relief Program to encourage banks to start lending again amid the darkest days of the financial crisis.

Some of the banks that received the aid now want to start paying it back. On Tuesday, the Treasury Department announced that it had approved 10 banks to repay $68 billion.

Congressional Republicans this week pressed the administration to use the money to pay down the national debt, instead of holding on to it for future potential bailouts.

Republican Rep. Jeb Hensarling of Texas introduced legislation that calls for shutting down TARP payments by the end of the year.

"TARP is increasingly not being a vehicle for economic stability and taxpayer protection, but is evolving into a $700 billion revolving slush fund that the administration can use to advance economic, social and political agenda items far and apart from what TARP was ever designed to do," Hensarling told reporters.

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Associated Press Writer Martin Crutsinger contributed to this report.

WASHINGTON — A government test of whether 19 major banks could survive a further downturn in the economy may have relied on too rosy a scenario and should be repeated, independent investigators ...
WASHINGTON — A government test of whether 19 major banks could survive a further downturn in the economy may have relied on too rosy a scenario and should be repeated, independent investigators ...
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- toyboat I'm a Fan of toyboat 4 fans permalink
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Elizabeth Warren is actually the most honest person to do the dirty work, too bad those stress test where garbage to start with. All those banks should just fall apart.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:05 PM on 06/09/2009
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I don't know where you get the idea she thinks the stress tests were garbage. She clearly does not.

She wants to do a stress test with a slightly worse worst-case scenario, but has provided no rational for why that would beneficial over what we have now.

Mostly because she places zero value on stabilization, which shows she would be an utterly incompetent and dangerous Secretary of the Treasury.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:13 PM on 06/09/2009
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Elizabeth Warren just said that nobody should gainsay the results of those tests. If what you're saying is true then yes, all those banks should have fallen apart. Investors wouldn't trust the results and their debt would overwhelm the balance sheet. That's actually not what happened.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:55 PM on 06/09/2009
- jerichoj8 I'm a Fan of jerichoj8 2 fans permalink

The Fed's have a best case peak at 8.4% and an adverse peak of 8.9%.

http://www.federalreserve.gov/newsevents/press/bcreg/bcreg20090225a1.pdf

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:36 PM on 06/09/2009
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They used an average unemployment rate of 8.9 in 2009, and 10.3 in 2010.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:50 PM on 06/09/2009
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I think current annualized unemployment is 8.4%. There is little doubt that number could exceed 8.9% by year end, but that does not mean average unemployment in 2010 would exceed 10.3%.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:30 PM on 06/09/2009
- stuporman I'm a Fan of stuporman 9 fans permalink

the banks were able to raise capital after accounting shenanigans showed the banks mysteriously, suddenly, were profitable. isn't that fraud?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:37 AM on 06/09/2009
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No, it is not fraud to do your accounting according to GAAP.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:05 PM on 06/09/2009
- Bytown I'm a Fan of Bytown 8 fans permalink

Two things:

1- Fake Stress Test Version 1.0 was used to give the public hope and confidence in the US banking system.

2- Warren (love her) is being used to push forward the idea of the requirement of a Stress test version 2.0 so that the banks won't quite be ready to fly the coup yet and Obama will be able to control them. See other related story re Banks to repay TARP money.

After all, Obama likes his banks and cars.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:24 AM on 06/09/2009
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While I realize you will never believe it, the Obama team is dedicated to making the government's ownership of public corporations last as a brief a period of time as possible.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:36 PM on 06/09/2009
- EinChicago I'm a Fan of EinChicago 33 fans permalink

Warren is fast becoming a quack. For example, her statement that "the stress tests conducted by the Feds were based off an unemploymnet rate of 8.9%" is disingenuous. The stress tests used a total mean average of 8.9 for all of 2009 as the best case scenario. I.e., unemployement for all 12 months averaged would be 8.9%, including January, february, march when it was at the 7% mark. In other words, teh Feds best case scenario contemplated a peak of around 11% later this year, which would create an 8.9% average ovber the entire year. They also used a worse case scenario contemplating a 10% average for the year,m meaning unemployment would need to rise to around 13-14% by December to reach this level.

They also included a further 20% decline in house prices, which as yet to happen. And several other deteriorating factor.

Warren is very smart. So for her to be so off on her statement means she is either (a) a liar, or (b) uninformed. Either way, I think the vast majoirty of investors have already written her off.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:22 AM on 06/09/2009
- jerichoj8 I'm a Fan of jerichoj8 2 fans permalink

Where does it say Warren was quoting that unemployment figure?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:41 AM on 06/09/2009
- EinChicago I'm a Fan of EinChicago 33 fans permalink

It's a direct quote from her. The sound bite has been running on real news outlets all morning.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:50 AM on 06/09/2009
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I guess what just astounds me is people think she is condemning the Obama team, and she's not really doing that.

"In a report released Tuesday, the Congressional Oversight Panel for the government's $700 billion financial rescue effort found that the Federal Reserve used a "conservative and reasonable" approach to assessing the health of the nation's biggest banks. ..."

With 68 billion of TARP getting repaid, that means the banks are now in a position sustain an additional 43 billion in losses in 2009 and 2010 without going to congress for additional bailout money. That improvement has happened since the too rosy stress test.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:47 AM on 06/09/2009
- BigBagel I'm a Fan of BigBagel 29 fans permalink
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Elizabeth Warren has been the voice of the taxpayer and of common sense in this whole thing. Expect her to be fired.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:17 AM on 06/09/2009
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It is nice to have confirmation of what we already KNEW!

"OFF-THE-BOOKS" Enron-style accounting and removal of "Mark-to-Market" lets the Banks use BS to hide all their Toxic Debts.

Add in Geithner's simple Stress Test and Voila! You have all A+ to B- Scores!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:07 AM on 06/09/2009
- jmpurser I'm a Fan of jmpurser 164 fans permalink

Pretty much. It's disgusting watching this coming from a Democratic administration too.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:14 AM on 06/09/2009
- EinChicago I'm a Fan of EinChicago 33 fans permalink

"Geithner's simple stress tests".


Yeah. Geithner's simple stress tests included several dozen deterioriating factors. Warren focused on one of those and even simplified that to an absurdism.

Someone is dealing in a "simple" version; but it is Warren. The woman is a quack.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:23 AM on 06/09/2009
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"In a report released Tuesday, the Congressional Oversight Panel for the government's $700 billion financial rescue effort found that the Federal Reserve used a "conservative and reasonable" approach to assessing the health of the nation's biggest banks. ..." - Elizabeth Warren

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:48 AM on 06/09/2009

Elizabeth Warren is the one single voice of truth in this entire mess. Pay close attention to whatever she says.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:01 AM on 06/09/2009

Amen to that -- Warren is fantastic

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:56 AM on 06/09/2009
- DASChicago I'm a Fan of DASChicago 11 fans permalink
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I say that's an affirmative!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:26 PM on 06/09/2009
- rughead23 I'm a Fan of rughead23 2 fans permalink

What a simple mantra....­stress test. Shame their isn't huge bailouts for individuals up to their ears in debt. Also the stress is allowed to continue in the form of collection agencies. Does the bailout money cover the collection agencies? With the bailout monies and public owneship of banks that would mean the stress testing is self imposed in the form of collection agencies stressing their own public ownership.­....Confli­ct of interest.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:53 AM on 06/09/2009
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The bailout was a loan which is going to be paid back in full. About a 100 people have told me I'm on drugs for saying that, but since 10 banks have just been given permission to repay their TARP in year one of TARP, I think it is pretty obvious I was stone-cold sober and they were psychotic.

You want to put people who are up to their ears in debt into deeper debt, and you want to risk taxpayer money on people who have a dubious track record at repaying debt? Sorry, I think Geithner has a far better plan.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:13 AM on 06/09/2009
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Repayment is MEANINGLESS when it comes from bailed-out insolvent banks; they have far too much on their books that they are drastically over-valuing to give the appearance of solvency.

They will still likely crash and burn--all of this effort is mostly a dog & pony show on the surface, and underneath is the desperate attempt to allow a few to get out from under tthat weight of debt before it all comes down.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:28 AM on 06/09/2009
- sueinmn I'm a Fan of sueinmn 101 fans permalink
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She should be where Geithner is sitting! Unfortunately no one is listening to her in the administration. Why hire her if they wont act upon her recomendations? This is so tiring as both parties suck these days!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:40 AM on 06/09/2009
- joebhed I'm a Fan of joebhed 46 fans permalink
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I agree about her potential and all that.
But I believe she is not part of the administration as she oversees the Congressional reviews that in theory are supposed to be limited to the financial integrity of our TARP investments - our Congressio­nally-appr­oved borrowings to support saving the financial system.
Of course that means by definition the ability to repay those investments and that does, in turn, depend on the banking system being viable, which it is not, and so she is correct to point out the flaws.
What IS interesting is the administration's cavalier attitude that it doesn't really matter that our unemployed Americans are growing as fast as they are, actually seeing some light at the end of the tunnel because the rate of increase is slowing down.
To me that is like the knife is going deeper, but it's not being twisted quite so much.
I agree, unfortunately, Obama's good intentions are not matched by his willingness to do what needs to be done with a serious reform to the money-banking system.
The Chicago Plan fro monetary reform.
Greenbacks.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:54 AM on 06/09/2009
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She's basically saying the results of the stress test already done are valid.

She is not saying the stress test were invalid.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:58 AM on 06/09/2009
- EinChicago I'm a Fan of EinChicago 33 fans permalink

"She should be where Geithner is sitting"

Considering she is apparently incapable of even adding 12 single digit numbers together and dividing by twelve to get an average, I doubt she is capable of undertsanding anything else in the stress tests.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:26 AM on 06/09/2009

"Recent data that has gone under the media radar indicates all of the banks that received TARP funding from the federal government saw a combined 3% decrease in lending in March. This follows on a 2% decrease in lending in February from the 19 largest banks in the country that received TARP funding. Credit remains extremely tight, even today. Mike Jackson, the CEO of Auto Nation, stated that 65% of buyers coming into the showroom with prime credit are qualifying for a prime auto loan, and only 10% of subprime borrowers are qualifying for anything."

The banks know they are in survival mode no matter what the stress tests say. The book How America Can Escape the New Great Depression calls for a 'bad bank" to be established that loans the banks cash for all of the troubled assets on their books. The banks would be given a long time to pay the back the "bad bank." This cash can then be lent to businesses and consumers.

http://www.escapethenewgreatdepression.com

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:16 AM on 06/09/2009
- Artos I'm a Fan of Artos 85 fans permalink

What she is saying is that if you build a house on quicksand, shortly thereafter you will have no house. Let's say a young college student decides to be a doctor and gets through medical school having cheated on say 45 to 50 percent of the tests and curriculum but still manages to graduate and go on to being an intern. Then with passable skill manages to become a doctor. Would you want that Doctor to perform brain surgery on you? I know I wouldn't. There are Doctors out there like that and they manage to kill patients with their incompetence. The same applies to many other occupations and their outcomes, which although they may not end up killing people do just as much damage in other ways. If we allow a Bank to survive knowing that it is fraught with built in weaknesses and or corrupt accounting practices aren't we potentially asking for the same results.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:43 AM on 06/09/2009
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All smoke and mirrors, does anyone really trust or have faith in our government running a true stress test and making those results public? They have no incentive to show where the cracks are.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:16 AM on 06/09/2009
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She is saying the stress test results are not invalid.

She wanted a more severe worst case, but makes not case for why that would be beneficial. All that a more severe worst case would have accomplished would be to raise the 75 billion needed in additional capital to a higher number - say 85 billion instead of 75 billion.

That is not a significant difference, and it is likely the banks still would have raised the entire amount from the private sector because what the stress test showed is the 19 banks have the capital to sustain 735 billion in additional losses in 2009 and 2010.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:04 AM on 06/09/2009
- jmpurser I'm a Fan of jmpurser 164 fans permalink

Well she suggested they were pointless.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:43 AM on 06/09/2009
- jmpurser I'm a Fan of jmpurser 164 fans permalink

NO I do not have any faith in President Obama's administration in this regard. They've proven they'll carry water for the bankers every time.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:42 AM on 06/09/2009
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Do you honestly think Elizabeth Warren would agree with the nonsense you just wrote. I don't think so.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:58 AM on 06/09/2009
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I am crushing on Elizabeth Warren however, the Fed is supposed to be conducting ongoing stress tests.
So in Reality what we should be doing is a complete overhaul and Regulation of the Federal Reserves Stress testing.

The FED has a place called the REPO window where they lend money to worthy banks. The FED continued to print and lend to banks that were unsound..e­rgo the FED failed to meet a stress test requirement.

The REPO window is like fuel for money growth, We as a nation should not lend to unsound institutions with broken metrics. Tim Geithner and the rest of the board of Govenors at the FED were charged with on going stress testing of lending institutions, There should have been a trap that caught the sludge before the FED allowed borrowing at the REPO window. Elizabeth please fix it. Stress testing is an ongoing activity. The problem with economists is they never believe that x can equal a real number.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:57 AM on 06/09/2009
- veracity I'm a Fan of veracity 76 fans permalink

This current economic crisis (which is a verbatim repeat of the late 1980s "Savings & Loan" economic catastrophe that saw President George HW Bush (Sr.) approval ratings going from _83%_ after US military expelled Saddam from Kuwait (Gulf War1) was created by MASSIVE FINANCIAL FRAUD, "assets" blatantly overvalued, and above all bankers and brokers getting commissions to write & sell mortgages, NOT CARING if those mortgages failed down the road.
Les Leopold's new book, "The LOOTING of America" illustrates how several Michigan school districts (for just one example) THOUGHT they were purchasing Mutual-fund type Grade-A Securities with steady dividends.­... while what they were actually "buying" was what amounted to INSURANCE _PREMIUMS_ from Royal Bank Canada, for DERIVIATIVE contracts that essentially made the School Districts LIABLE for potentially HUGE losses in RoyalBankCanada's funds. The School Districts, which THOUGHT they were getting SAFE investments, were now acting as INSURERS for RBC's already risky "assets" !!!!
The notion that BERNIE MADOFF, ALONE, could run his financial empire into the ground (without LOTS of worker bees) is pathetic..­.. (while feds, "major media", and political operators try to sell us the notion that Madoff's conviction ties up the whole case)
so too is the notion that President Obama is doing ANYTHING to STEM this horrible tide of MASSIVE FRAUD in the financial markets.

In REFUSING to EXPOSE and ROOT OUT financial fraud, president obama becomes an ENABLER and PARTY TO IT.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:48 AM on 06/09/2009

Yeah but what does Sara Palin have painted on her toe nails....w­hat does Meghan McCain think about Sara's toe nails....w­hat about date night in Paris?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:08 AM on 06/09/2009
- SiberianRat I'm a Fan of SiberianRat 137 fans permalink
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Oh I know, and that gay dude from American Idol is telling us he's going to tell us he's gay--what does Elizabeth Warren think about that?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:24 AM on 06/09/2009

Well put.
I'm wondering what on earth is going on. Bankers are doing business as usual, 10 banks (why 10?) are going to be allowed to pay back TARP money so they can follow their shady practices again, nobody is going to jail or before commissions.

It is "fraud as usual". The stress tests are a delay tactic and a complete joke. Did everybody already forget what happened when the results of the initial "stress test" in April were to be released? Delay after delay as results were re-casted (maybe removed?) so to not expose anything. It's a complete joke.

I think that Mrs. Warren is great -- watched interviews with her and read about her. But what she means by "stress test" is nothing like what happened in April. And she won't be able to push anything like that through.

I'm also a big Obama apologist, but he's quickly losing me on this topic. Not enough is being done and bankers apparently hold so much power that Obama is unable to topple them.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:42 AM on 06/09/2009
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Sounds like they didn't account for the Alt-A wave of foreclosures that are coming within 90 days, if they thought unemployment would only reach 8.9%.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:43 AM on 06/09/2009
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Actually the high number for unemployment used in the stress test was much higher than 9.4%.

Okay, much higher than 9.4%

People are assuming that because it has reached 9,4% at a point earlier than than used in the stress test, that the ultimate high number will exceed the high number used in the tests, but that is not necessarily true.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:16 AM on 06/09/2009
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