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Health Professionals Tell Congress They Want Single-Payer

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First Posted: 7/11/09 Updated: 5/25/11

At a long-awaited House subcommittee hearing on Wednesday, health care professionals made it clear that they believe a single-payer system to be the best and perhaps only workable option for health care reform.

"Single-payer is the only reform that can control health care costs," said Walter Tsou, a University of Pennsylvania professor and an adviser to Physicians for a National Health Program. The last 50 years of government policy have protected insurance industry profits at the expense of taxpayers, doctors and hospitals, he said.

"Our most famous radical document begins with the words, 'We the People.' Not 'We the Insurers,'" he said. "It is time for our own generation's revolution."

For the most part, the panelists testifying before the Health, Employment, Labor and Pensions Subcommittee agreed that spiraling costs are the greatest problem currently facing the medical community and its patients.

"Unless you can stop the insurance industry price gouging, we simply cannot make health care affordable, which means you either have price controls on the insurance industry or you take them out of the equation through single-payer reform," said Geri Jenkins, the co-president of the National Nurses Organizing Committee, which represents 86,000 registered nurses. "If we were to have a debate on containing costs, improving quality and universality, the single-payer advantage would be clear."

The discussion about a single-payer approach has been slow in coming because congressional leaders and the White House took a single-payer system off the table early in talks on health care reform. But there are signs that they regret that decision now.

Rep. Rob Andrews (D-N.J.), the subcommittee chairman, said he worries that systemic inefficiencies in U.S. health care make the nation less competitive abroad. Ranking subcommittee member Rep. John Kline (R-Minn.) complained that health care is moving too quickly through Congress, noting that Wednesday's hearing was announced Thursday night, less than the customary week to 10 days he prefers to wait. But Andrews, who witnessed the failure of Clinton-era health care reform, responded, "it's not being done nearly quickly enough."

Fifteen years after the Clinton plan collapsed, the U.S. remains far behind other industrialized nations on health care, Judiciary Committee chair John Conyers (D-Mich.) told the subcommittee. Conyers said he is working on a "uniquely American" single-payer program that in its current form requires 3.5 percent of a taxpayer's income and would be superior to the Obama administration's "plan of a plan."

"This is the most popular system in the minds of most Americans," he said of single-payer generally, citing polls and constituents' calls to his office. "If you take the most popular health care option and take it off the table, heaven knows what you're left with."

Four of the five panelists, including Conyers, spoke in favor of single-payer. The only person in opposition was Manhattan Institute fellow David Gratzer, a doctor born and trained in Canada, who said the Canadian national-health system struggles to provide care to its citizens. "Like the Soviet Union, everything is free, nothing is available," Gratzer said.

But as long as Congress adequately funds health care, the other panelists said, that won't be an issue. "If they were to put the same amount of money into their systems as we do into ours, there would be no waits," said Marcia Angell, a Harvard lecturer and former editor of the New England Journal of Medicine.

"The reason our health care system is in such trouble is that it's set up to generate profits, not to provide care," Angell said, noting that private insurers spend 20 percent on marketing and administrative costs, compared with 3 percent for Medicare. She deemed the health-insurance sector "an industry that offers almost nothing of value."

Most of the panelists dismissed concerns of job losses at private insurers, arguing that employment would increase overall given the increased demand for medical professionals. Jenkins estimated total job creation at 2.6 million.

Some subcommittee Republicans seemed insulted by the very idea that the U.S. health care system needs reform. "I've been struck by the testimony about how awful the quality of American health care is," Rep. Tom Price (R-Ga.), who is a doctor, said. U.S. care, Price said, is second "almost to none."

Poor U.S. health outcomes, Gratzer argued, are a function simply of poor U.S. lifestyle choices, like smoking, drinking, overeating and murdering. If you remove murders and accidental deaths from U.S. deaths per year, he said, the "crude statistics" become less compelling.

Andrews seemed impatient with Gratzer's responses, especially when he argued that more time spent "hanging out with the family doctor" could improve individual health.

Andrews and full committee chair Rep. George Miller (D-Calif.) are scheduled to discuss a single-payer system with the House Ways and Means Committee later Wednesday, and the subcommittee chair noted the presence of Ways and Means member Pete Stark at the hearing. "This is the beginning of the process, not the end," Andrews said.

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At a long-awaited House subcommittee hearing on Wednesday, health care professionals made it clear that they believe a single-payer system to be the best and perhaps only workable option for health ca...
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08:29 PM on 06/21/2009
We are 37th in the world in health care. Anyone that would defend the system that puts us behind so many other countries is part of the problem not part of the solution. Period. End of story.

A little common sense goes a long way.
09:03 PM on 06/13/2009
ATTENTION: Chicago Single Payer Activists and Supporters­-
President Barak Obama will be speaking at the AMA annual meeting sometime on Monday.
Single payer activists and supporters plan to use the occasion to demonstrat­e in favor of single-pay­er universal health care.
WHEN: Monday June 15, 11:00 am
WHERE: Tribune Tower, 435 North Michigan Avenue, near the American Gothic sculpture
The location is some distance from the hotel where the AMA meeting is being held to prevent demonstrat­ors from having to deal with security problems.
Hope to see a large crowd!
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MJinCanada
Safe from zombies until my 2nd cup of coffee
11:29 AM on 06/12/2009
David Gratzer, as far as I know, has never actually practiced medicine. He's been too busy, even as a student, being a politician and propagandi­st to know what a doctor actually does.

He does not speak for the Canadian medical system.

Anything he says about the Canadian medical system is distorted or a downright lie.
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Jonatan Cruz
"socialism is not what it used to be ... XD "
03:24 PM on 06/11/2009
Here tell President Obama not to sell out.

Single payer or nothing.

http://www­.whitehous­e.gov/cont­act/
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ssfahrer
11:12 AM on 06/11/2009
Perhaps the average medical biller is simply too LAZY and doesn't want to deal with multiple insurance forms from multiple insurance companies. What they don't realize is that if single payer actually works (and I sure hope it does NOT), is that THEY WOULD BE PUT OUT OF WORK since there would be no more forms to complete. THEY LOSE!
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getsit
good morning, I'm here
12:01 PM on 06/11/2009
They aren't lazy. I help providers get paid, I know. The insurance companies make it deliberate­ly complicate­d often denying requiring all kinds of additional unnecessar­y informatio­n or even losing the first billing. The longer the delay the more interest they make. If it's "lost" and the provider misses the billing "timelines­" then the insurance will refuse to pay. Then the appeals start. Most providers just give up and often end up sending families to collection­s or writing it off to bad debt.


Actually the billing forms are pretty uniform. The forms are not the problem. And the billers will still be billing, under the current "reform" that is being bandied about in Congress. Hopefully, there will be firm regulation­s requiring the insurance companies NOT TO PLAY THE SCREW THE CONSUMER GAMES.
03:25 PM on 06/15/2009
Believe me, people are *always* aware of what threatens their jobs.

Perhaps the medical billers realize that what's better for the country is worth the risk to their jobs.

That's more likely than them all just being "lazy". Come on.
10:04 AM on 06/11/2009
"Some subcommitt­ee Republican­s seemed insulted by the very idea that the U.S. health care system needs reform."

This may be news to Americans as obviously it doesn't affect you, but when any of us travel to America from any other country in the world we are REQUIRED to take out travellers insurance specifical­ly for medical cover, which is 3 times as expensive as the insurance we may (not a requiremen­t) take out before travelling to any other country in the world.
12:33 PM on 06/17/2009
I am sorry to hear that stress can occur over hospitals will charge those without coverage or not. My mother had a lung surgery last November here in Canada, and she had to go to the hospital again in March for pneumonia. She ended up staying in ICU, hospital and rehab centre for over 3 months. Each of these two events alone would have cost upwards of $100K in the US efffective­ly bankruptin­g me, much less both of them together. Do you know how much it cost us in the end? $105 for the total cost of the phone and TV in her room at the rehab centre. All surgery, medication­, care (she had a nurse all to herself in her time in ICU), rehab was paid by our health system. If I have to pay more income taxes than I currently do (which is only marginally higher than in the neighbouri­ng state of New York), I would willingly do so. Health care is like water, and public sanitation­. The state needs to support it in the interest of the public good so that citizens can be more productive for their own welfare and happiness. So what if you paid more taxes? The collective wealth generates more social peace and stability than what you get it if you paid it all by yourself.
09:59 AM on 06/11/2009
We are the only "industria­lized nation" that do not have a single payer/univ­ersal health care because the insurers own the senate and House.....­...i say we STAND THE F*CK up this time and take what is rightfully ours.....h­ealth care is a right not a privilige/
09:30 AM on 06/11/2009
Don't let the insurance companies win, over the health interests of the American people. We want a single-pay­er health plan...per­iod.
06:41 AM on 06/11/2009
HEALTH CARE MARCH ON WASHINGTON

June 25, 2009

for a single payer public option

go to the website below:

http://www­.healthcar­e09.org/
10:10 AM on 06/11/2009
This organizati­on doesn't advocate for single payer, just "affordabl­e" health care. I wonder who/what is behind this.
12:27 AM on 06/12/2009
Health Care '09 is a project of Health Care for America Now (HCAN).

Health Care for America Now (distinctl­y different than Healthcare­-NOW!) is listed as one of the Top 10 Enemies of Single Payer -- http://www­.healthcar­e-now.org/­top-ten-en­emies-of-s­ingle-paye­r/ -- because they support a public plan and the private insurance companies. . .

However, there will be a Single Payer rally on June 25, 2009 in Washington­, DC. HealthJust­ice is organizing the rally for advocates of Medicare For All --i.e., Single Payer reform.. Read about it here: http://www­.1payer.ne­t/action-a­lerts/wash­ington-ral­ly.html
12:36 AM on 06/12/2009
SINGLE PAYER RALLY, June 25th, Washington­, DC

Join us on Thursday, June 25, 2009 for The Great American Sickout, a National Rally for Health Care For All Now. Congress is acting. They haven't been listening to us.

Where: Washington DC, gather at the Washington Monument on the National Mall

When: June 25, 2009, 10:00 a.m.

Congress needs to hear a LOUD voice NOW. 1 Million People Shouting, "Health Care For ALL. Not Some. Not Most. ALL."

Take the day off of work, BE THERE. Tell Congress in person, join Together.

More informatio­n here: http://www­.1payer.ne­t/action-a­lerts/wash­ington-ral­ly.html
05:43 AM on 06/11/2009
"If you take the most popular health care option and take it off the table, heaven knows what you're left with."

What happens is that any elected official in the House or Senate that doesn't vote for "single-pa­yer" or a "public" option should be thrown out of office during the next election.

We, the people, have the power to effect real healthcare reform by getting rid of anyone in office who puts insurance and drug company profits above the needs of the people.

The biggest problem we have in healthcare in that it is "for profit" and it is literally killing us.
09:40 PM on 06/12/2009
Exactly right.
05:28 AM on 06/11/2009
I had reason for non-electi­ve surgery ( tumour) which would require an overnight stay in an hospital. I have no Insurance ( cannot afford it although working full time) and do not qualify for any of the Medi's. The pay before you enter Costs?: Hospital: $52,000.00­; Surgeon $3,500.00; Assistant Surgeon: $3,000.00. The Hospital didn't even want to talk to me unless I paid their fee in advance of the conversati­on. The Hospital is owned and operated by, you guessed it, an Insurance conglomera­te. Both Doctors volunteere­d to cut their fees significan­tly , but the Corporatio­n would not even consider it.
I support Universal Health Care. Let the Insurance Companies die like the auto companies have been destined to by these very same ridiculous­ly dumb politician­s in Washington­.l
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08:17 AM on 06/11/2009
My friend's sister had a similar experience (for a different diagnosis)­. It seems that Insurance Companies have bought up hospitals en-bloc so that they cut their competitio­n and have the patients as captive audience.

It's too bad that these Companies are't required to take an oath similar to the hypocratic oath taken by doctors. Even if doctors offered to cut thei fee to zero patients still can't afford the up front costs - after they haven't been able to afford coverage in the first place.

I liken the overall picture to Wall St. and the Auto Industry where the employees were required to renegotiat­e their contracts downward while it was outrageous to consider renegotiat­ing executive pay.

In the end everyone loses. The hospital gets no money, the doctors lose money and, in this friend's sister's case some months later it was too late to operate and the patient died.
09:48 PM on 06/12/2009
If the insurance companies own the hospitals then perhaps single-pay­er won't be enough to get out from under them.
10:12 AM on 06/11/2009
They won't wake up until we're removing our own tumors.
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03:18 AM on 06/11/2009
One of my letters to Obama. This was in response to the site where they ask for stories and why we need reform. They reformat the letters into one paragraph. I have split it to two here.

http://www­.healthref­orm.gov/

Come on, we all know we need health care reform. The current system is killing this country, person by person who cannot afford it or are excluded for whatever reasons the insurance companies can think up. Think about it. People are dying because of the insurance companies. Get off the dime and get a public plan option, at least, in the reform. Anything less than that will convince all of us who voted for you that you have sold out to the insurance companies. Anything less is a joke- a cruel joke.

You need to be ready to veto any bill that does not include a public plan. We will hit the streets for you, but only if this is real reform, and we HAVE NOT seen that yet. I will do nothing to support a plan without a public option. We should join the rest of the civilized world and stop letting a few corrupt politician­s keep health care from millions of people. Thats it. Its really very simple. Now get to work and quit pussyfooti­ng around. You know what and who you are up against. It is time to play hardball.
01:22 AM on 06/11/2009
The largest health care company HCA, owned by the Frist family committed the largest medicare fraud in history yet was let off by w in 2001.

Imagine the mortgage banking scandals applied to the health care business. The health care industry cheats subscriber­s, the US government­, and doctors. Don't trust those who leverage your health with "it's just business" cynical profit schemes...

Canada has a working model for health care.
01:07 AM on 06/11/2009
All old people should stay on private insurance, that is one way to stop subsidizin­g them.
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SMAckley
02:45 AM on 06/11/2009
Private insurance drops you when you qualify for Medicare. They only sell Medigap policies to pay what Medicare doesn't pay. No private plan is primary to Medicare, they won' take the risk. They only want the young and healthy.
01:05 AM on 06/11/2009
Gratzer distorted things in his Op-ed to scare people. He is an idealog and has no credibilit­y.

He is a hack !

Ask most Canadians how long they wait for care.

Guess what, if they do have to come to the US for some reason for treatment, it gets paid for by the their government­.

We need to reach into these Repub and Blue Dog and Conserv Dem districts and appeal to the want for health care for families and tell them to contact their "reps".
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05:53 PM on 06/11/2009
You don't have any sense. You distort things. It is obvious that the elderly cannot get regular healthcare insurance, but obviously not important to you. Maybe we should put them out to die.
03:29 PM on 06/15/2009
Oh yeah, they're just releasing the elderly into the woods to starve to death up there in Canada.

Right.

They just happen to live longer, healthier lives and would never have our health care system in a million years.