Health Professionals Tell Congress They Want Single-Payer

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First Posted: 06-10-09 03:22 PM   |   Updated: 06-15-09 10:52 AM

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At a long-awaited House subcommittee hearing on Wednesday, health care professionals made it clear that they believe a single-payer system to be the best and perhaps only workable option for health care reform.

"Single-payer is the only reform that can control health care costs," said Walter Tsou, a University of Pennsylvania professor and an adviser to Physicians for a National Health Program. The last 50 years of government policy have protected insurance industry profits at the expense of taxpayers, doctors and hospitals, he said.

"Our most famous radical document begins with the words, 'We the People.' Not 'We the Insurers,'" he said. "It is time for our own generation's revolution."

For the most part, the panelists testifying before the Health, Employment, Labor and Pensions Subcommittee agreed that spiraling costs are the greatest problem currently facing the medical community and its patients.

"Unless you can stop the insurance industry price gouging, we simply cannot make health care affordable, which means you either have price controls on the insurance industry or you take them out of the equation through single-payer reform," said Geri Jenkins, the co-president of the National Nurses Organizing Committee, which represents 86,000 registered nurses. "If we were to have a debate on containing costs, improving quality and universality, the single-payer advantage would be clear."

The discussion about a single-payer approach has been slow in coming because congressional leaders and the White House took a single-payer system off the table early in talks on health care reform. But there are signs that they regret that decision now.

Rep. Rob Andrews (D-N.J.), the subcommittee chairman, said he worries that systemic inefficiencies in U.S. health care make the nation less competitive abroad. Ranking subcommittee member Rep. John Kline (R-Minn.) complained that health care is moving too quickly through Congress, noting that Wednesday's hearing was announced Thursday night, less than the customary week to 10 days he prefers to wait. But Andrews, who witnessed the failure of Clinton-era health care reform, responded, "it's not being done nearly quickly enough."

Fifteen years after the Clinton plan collapsed, the U.S. remains far behind other industrialized nations on health care, Judiciary Committee chair John Conyers (D-Mich.) told the subcommittee. Conyers said he is working on a "uniquely American" single-payer program that in its current form requires 3.5 percent of a taxpayer's income and would be superior to the Obama administration's "plan of a plan."

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"This is the most popular system in the minds of most Americans," he said of single-payer generally, citing polls and constituents' calls to his office. "If you take the most popular health care option and take it off the table, heaven knows what you're left with."

Four of the five panelists, including Conyers, spoke in favor of single-payer. The only person in opposition was Manhattan Institute fellow David Gratzer, a doctor born and trained in Canada, who said the Canadian national-health system struggles to provide care to its citizens. "Like the Soviet Union, everything is free, nothing is available," Gratzer said.

But as long as Congress adequately funds health care, the other panelists said, that won't be an issue. "If they were to put the same amount of money into their systems as we do into ours, there would be no waits," said Marcia Angell, a Harvard lecturer and former editor of the New England Journal of Medicine.

"The reason our health care system is in such trouble is that it's set up to generate profits, not to provide care," Angell said, noting that private insurers spend 20 percent on marketing and administrative costs, compared with 3 percent for Medicare. She deemed the health-insurance sector "an industry that offers almost nothing of value."

Most of the panelists dismissed concerns of job losses at private insurers, arguing that employment would increase overall given the increased demand for medical professionals. Jenkins estimated total job creation at 2.6 million.

Some subcommittee Republicans seemed insulted by the very idea that the U.S. health care system needs reform. "I've been struck by the testimony about how awful the quality of American health care is," Rep. Tom Price (R-Ga.), who is a doctor, said. U.S. care, Price said, is second "almost to none."

Poor U.S. health outcomes, Gratzer argued, are a function simply of poor U.S. lifestyle choices, like smoking, drinking, overeating and murdering. If you remove murders and accidental deaths from U.S. deaths per year, he said, the "crude statistics" become less compelling.

Andrews seemed impatient with Gratzer's responses, especially when he argued that more time spent "hanging out with the family doctor" could improve individual health.

Andrews and full committee chair Rep. George Miller (D-Calif.) are scheduled to discuss a single-payer system with the House Ways and Means Committee later Wednesday, and the subcommittee chair noted the presence of Ways and Means member Pete Stark at the hearing. "This is the beginning of the process, not the end," Andrews said.

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- slarabee I'm a Fan of slarabee 25 fans permalink
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We are 37th in the world in health care. Anyone that would defend the system that puts us behind so many other countries is part of the problem not part of the solution. Period. End of story.

A little common sense goes a long way.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:29 PM on 06/21/2009
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ATTENTION: Chicago Single Payer Activists and Supporters-
President Barak Obama will be speaking at the AMA annual meeting sometime on Monday.
Single payer activists and supporters plan to use the occasion to demonstrate in favor of single-payer universal health care.
WHEN: Monday June 15, 11:00 am
WHERE: Tribune Tower, 435 North Michigan Avenue, near the American Gothic sculpture
The location is some distance from the hotel where the AMA meeting is being held to prevent demonstrators from having to deal with security problems.
Hope to see a large crowd!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:03 PM on 06/13/2009
- MJinCanada I'm a Fan of MJinCanada 97 fans permalink

David Gratzer, as far as I know, has never actually practiced medicine. He's been too busy, even as a student, being a politician and propagandist to know what a doctor actually does.

He does not speak for the Canadian medical system.

Anything he says about the Canadian medical system is distorted or a downright lie.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:29 AM on 06/12/2009
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Here tell President Obama not to sell out.

Single payer or nothing.

http://www.whitehouse.gov/contact/

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:24 PM on 06/11/2009
- ssfahrer I'm a Fan of ssfahrer 5 fans permalink

Perhaps the average medical biller is simply too LAZY and doesn't want to deal with multiple insurance forms from multiple insurance companies. What they don't realize is that if single payer actually works (and I sure hope it does NOT), is that THEY WOULD BE PUT OUT OF WORK since there would be no more forms to complete. THEY LOSE!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:12 AM on 06/11/2009
- getsit I'm a Fan of getsit 16 fans permalink

They aren't lazy. I help providers get paid, I know. The insurance companies make it deliberately complicated often denying requiring all kinds of additional unnecessary information or even losing the first billing. The longer the delay the more interest they make. If it's "lost" and the provider misses the billing "timelines" then the insurance will refuse to pay. Then the appeals start. Most providers just give up and often end up sending families to collections or writing it off to bad debt.


Actually the billing forms are pretty uniform. The forms are not the problem. And the billers will still be billing, under the current "reform" that is being bandied about in Congress. Hopefully, there will be firm regulations requiring the insurance companies NOT TO PLAY THE SCREW THE CONSUMER GAMES.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:01 PM on 06/11/2009
- jbeach I'm a Fan of jbeach 7 fans permalink

Believe me, people are *always* aware of what threatens their jobs.

Perhaps the medical billers realize that what's better for the country is worth the risk to their jobs.

That's more likely than them all just being "lazy". Come on.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:25 PM on 06/15/2009
- slarabee I'm a Fan of slarabee 25 fans permalink
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This is a ridiculous statement. If we were able to get heath care reformed passed it will create jobs not end them. Adding 40+ million patients to the rolls of the insured will create work not eliminate. Work on your critical thinking skills if you are going to argue about something so important.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:27 PM on 06/21/2009
- zanzig I'm a Fan of zanzig 36 fans permalink

"Some subcommittee Republicans seemed insulted by the very idea that the U.S. health care system needs reform."

This may be news to Americans as obviously it doesn't affect you, but when any of us travel to America from any other country in the world we are REQUIRED to take out travellers insurance specifically for medical cover, which is 3 times as expensive as the insurance we may (not a requirement) take out before travelling to any other country in the world.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:04 AM on 06/11/2009
- KenKo I'm a Fan of KenKo 2 fans permalink

I am sorry to hear that stress can occur over hospitals will charge those without coverage or not. My mother had a lung surgery last November here in Canada, and she had to go to the hospital again in March for pneumonia. She ended up staying in ICU, hospital and rehab centre for over 3 months. Each of these two events alone would have cost upwards of $100K in the US efffectively bankrupting me, much less both of them together. Do you know how much it cost us in the end? $105 for the total cost of the phone and TV in her room at the rehab centre. All surgery, medication, care (she had a nurse all to herself in her time in ICU), rehab was paid by our health system. If I have to pay more income taxes than I currently do (which is only marginally higher than in the neighbouring state of New York), I would willingly do so. Health care is like water, and public sanitation. The state needs to support it in the interest of the public good so that citizens can be more productive for their own welfare and happiness. So what if you paid more taxes? The collective wealth generates more social peace and stability than what you get it if you paid it all by yourself.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:33 PM on 06/17/2009
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We are the only "industrialized nation" that do not have a single payer/universal health care because the insurers own the senate and House........i say we STAND THE F*CK up this time and take what is rightfully ours.....health care is a right not a privilige/

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:59 AM on 06/11/2009
- blackmouth I'm a Fan of blackmouth 16 fans permalink

Don't let the insurance companies win, over the health interests of the American people. We want a single-payer health plan...period.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:30 AM on 06/11/2009
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HEALTH CARE MARCH ON WASHINGTON

June 25, 2009

for a single payer public option

go to the website below:

http://www.healthcare09.org/

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:41 AM on 06/11/2009
- Collielady I'm a Fan of Collielady 78 fans permalink
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This organization doesn't advocate for single payer, just "affordable" health care. I wonder who/what is behind this.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:10 AM on 06/11/2009
- RightsGuy I'm a Fan of RightsGuy 20 fans permalink

Health Care '09 is a project of Health Care for America Now (HCAN).

Health Care for America Now (distinctly different than Healthcare-NOW!) is listed as one of the Top 10 Enemies of Single Payer -- http://www.healthcare-now.org/top-ten-enemies-of-single-payer/ -- because they support a public plan and the private insurance companies. . .

However, there will be a Single Payer rally on June 25, 2009 in Washington, DC. HealthJustice is organizing the rally for advocates of Medicare For All --i.e., Single Payer reform.. Read about it here: http://www­.1payer.ne­t/action-a­lerts/wash­ington-ral­ly.html

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:27 AM on 06/12/2009
- RightsGuy I'm a Fan of RightsGuy 20 fans permalink

SINGLE PAYER RALLY, June 25th, Washington, DC

Join us on Thursday, June 25, 2009 for The Great American Sickout, a National Rally for Health Care For All Now. Congress is acting. They haven't been listening to us.

Where: Washington DC, gather at the Washington Monument on the National Mall

When: June 25, 2009, 10:00 a.m.

Congress needs to hear a LOUD voice NOW. 1 Million People Shouting, "Health Care For ALL. Not Some. Not Most. ALL."

Take the day off of work, BE THERE. Tell Congress in person, join Together.

More information here: http://www­.1payer.ne­t/action-a­lerts/wash­ington-ral­ly.html

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:36 AM on 06/12/2009
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"If you take the most popular health care option and take it off the table, heaven knows what you're left with."

What happens is that any elected official in the House or Senate that doesn't vote for "single-payer" or a "public" option should be thrown out of office during the next election.

We, the people, have the power to effect real healthcare reform by getting rid of anyone in office who puts insurance and drug company profits above the needs of the people.

The biggest problem we have in healthcare in that it is "for profit" and it is literally killing us.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:43 AM on 06/11/2009
- rf-hawaii I'm a Fan of rf-hawaii 18 fans permalink

Exactly right.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:40 PM on 06/12/2009
- BARRISTER I'm a Fan of BARRISTER 17 fans permalink

I had reason for non-elective surgery ( tumour) which would require an overnight stay in an hospital. I have no Insurance ( cannot afford it although working full time) and do not qualify for any of the Medi's. The pay before you enter Costs?: Hospital: $52,000.00; Surgeon $3,500.00; Assistant Surgeon: $3,000.00. The Hospital didn't even want to talk to me unless I paid their fee in advance of the conversation. The Hospital is owned and operated by, you guessed it, an Insurance conglomerate. Both Doctors volunteered to cut their fees significantly , but the Corporation would not even consider it.
I support Universal Health Care. Let the Insurance Companies die like the auto companies have been destined to by these very same ridiculously dumb politicians in Washington.l

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:28 AM on 06/11/2009
- Cambridge9 I'm a Fan of Cambridge9 72 fans permalink
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My friend's sister had a similar experience (for a different diagnosis). It seems that Insurance Companies have bought up hospitals en-bloc so that they cut their competition and have the patients as captive audience.

It's too bad that these Companies are't required to take an oath similar to the hypocratic oath taken by doctors. Even if doctors offered to cut thei fee to zero patients still can't afford the up front costs - after they haven't been able to afford coverage in the first place.

I liken the overall picture to Wall St. and the Auto Industry where the employees were required to renegotiate their contracts downward while it was outrageous to consider renegotiating executive pay.

In the end everyone loses. The hospital gets no money, the doctors lose money and, in this friend's sister's case some months later it was too late to operate and the patient died.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:17 AM on 06/11/2009
- rf-hawaii I'm a Fan of rf-hawaii 18 fans permalink

If the insurance companies own the hospitals then perhaps single-payer won't be enough to get out from under them.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:48 PM on 06/12/2009
- Collielady I'm a Fan of Collielady 78 fans permalink
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They won't wake up until we're removing our own tumors.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:12 AM on 06/11/2009
- jbeach I'm a Fan of jbeach 7 fans permalink

I understand someone recently flew to Switzerland and got first-rate cheaper care.

If that will "only" cost you about $5000 or so, that might be worth considerin­g....sorry for your situation.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:28 PM on 06/15/2009

One of my letters to Obama. This was in response to the site where they ask for stories and why we need reform. They reformat the letters into one paragraph. I have split it to two here.

http://www.healthreform.gov/

Come on, we all know we need health care reform. The current system is killing this country, person by person who cannot afford it or are excluded for whatever reasons the insurance companies can think up. Think about it. People are dying because of the insurance companies. Get off the dime and get a public plan option, at least, in the reform. Anything less than that will convince all of us who voted for you that you have sold out to the insurance companies. Anything less is a joke- a cruel joke.

You need to be ready to veto any bill that does not include a public plan. We will hit the streets for you, but only if this is real reform, and we HAVE NOT seen that yet. I will do nothing to support a plan without a public option. We should join the rest of the civilized world and stop letting a few corrupt politicians keep health care from millions of people. Thats it. Its really very simple. Now get to work and quit pussyfooting around. You know what and who you are up against. It is time to play hardball.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:18 AM on 06/11/2009
- wordvarc I'm a Fan of wordvarc 29 fans permalink

The largest health care company HCA, owned by the Frist family committed the largest medicare fraud in history yet was let off by w in 2001.

Imagine the mortgage banking scandals applied to the health care business. The health care industry cheats subscribers, the US government, and doctors. Don't trust those who leverage your health with "it's just business" cynical profit schemes...

Canada has a working model for health care.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:22 AM on 06/11/2009
- TrueSense I'm a Fan of TrueSense 11 fans permalink


All old people should stay on private insurance, that is one way to stop subsidizing them.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:07 AM on 06/11/2009
- SMAckley I'm a Fan of SMAckley 14 fans permalink

Private insurance drops you when you qualify for Medicare. They only sell Medigap policies to pay what Medicare doesn't pay. No private plan is primary to Medicare, they won' take the risk. They only want the young and healthy.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:45 AM on 06/11/2009
- TrueSense I'm a Fan of TrueSense 11 fans permalink

Gratzer distorted things in his Op-ed to scare people. He is an idealog and has no credibility.

He is a hack !

Ask most Canadians how long they wait for care.

Guess what, if they do have to come to the US for some reason for treatment, it gets paid for by the their government.

We need to reach into these Repub and Blue Dog and Conserv Dem districts and appeal to the want for health care for families and tell them to contact their "reps".

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:05 AM on 06/11/2009

You don't have any sense. You distort things. It is obvious that the elderly cannot get regular healthcare insurance, but obviously not important to you. Maybe we should put them out to die.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:53 PM on 06/11/2009
- jbeach I'm a Fan of jbeach 7 fans permalink

Oh yeah, they're just releasing the elderly into the woods to starve to death up there in Canada.

Right.

They just happen to live longer, healthier lives and would never have our health care system in a million years.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:29 PM on 06/15/2009
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