Dems' Bogeyman Luntz Schooled Reid, Other Dems On Messaging

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First Posted: 06-11-09 05:34 PM   |   Updated: 06-12-09 10:37 PM

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The Senate Democratic leadership attacked GOP pollster Frank Luntz at its weekly press conference Thursday, mocking Republicans for taking their health care advice from the man Majority Whip Dick Durbin (D-Ill.) repeatedly dubbed "Dr. Frank I. Luntz."

"What we're hearing from the Republican leadership on the floor of the Senate is vaguely familiar. Dr. Frank I. Luntz issued this plan," said Durbin, waving a copy of a memo that Luntz wrote several months ago, outlining rhetorical tactics to oppose health care reform.

Durbin highlighted arguments made by Republican leadership: "They tell horror stories about health care stories in other countries. That would be Dr. Frank Luntz's talking point number five." And on he went, referring over and over to the talking points outlined in the Luntz memo.

Shortly after Luntz had released his memo, Democratic strategist Paul Begala responded with his own point-by-point counter-memo. "Because they know they cannot win the argument honestly, Republicans are resorting to mendacity," Begala wrote. "Democrats must not let them get away with it."

But the Senate Democrats already knew all they needed about such mendacious methods: Luntz himself had briefed them at a Democratic retreat earlier this year. His co-panelist: Paul Begala.

Since that January retreat, he has also briefed Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid (D-Nev.) personally, a Reid aide confirmed. The message to the leader and to the Senate Democratic caucus was the same: Words matter.

"He didn't talk about health care in particular," said Sen. Patty Murray (D-Wash.), a member of Democratic leadership. "He talked about words, and words matter, and how important it is how you portray what it is you're doing. And obviously now he's advising Republicans what kind of language they can use to fight for the status quo."

The Luntz-Reid meeting was also about messaging. The majority leader and the Republican pollster had met several times over the previous several years, although only met once this year, other than the retreat, said a senior aide to Reid. Luntz didn't return several calls and e-mails.

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Reid is not averse to meeting with a wide variety of consultants, the aide said, naming Begala, Geoffrey Garin, Mark Mellman, Susan McCue, Jim Margolis and Third Way's Matt Bennett as folks who've met with him this year. "He might not listen to all of them, but he hears them out," the aide said.

Sen. Russ Feingold (D-Wisc.) said that many in the room left with a grudging respect for Luntz. "I thought it was great," he said of the briefing. "He really showed his ability to put things in interesting terms and people had to concede that he was pretty good at the use of language."

Murray, too, was impressed by Luntz' skill, if not his ultimate political goals--if, in fact, he actually has any underlying political ideology.

"I think people listened to him with interest. He's an intelligent guy and his goal is to help you provide the language to fight for what you believe in. And certainly he's doing that right now for those who want to oppose any kind of change in health care," she said.

Democrats have been slow on the rhetorical battleground, according to Feingold. "I think people took to heart not only what he was saying but [were] closely following how he was trying to manipulate the health care issue," Feingold said. "After the experience in 1994 and various other issues, Democrats have learned the lesson that you can't just have the right policies, you also have to use the right language. It's a question we were a little slow in learning."

Republicans, meanwhile, are calling themselves less impressed by Luntz's memo, claiming that the arguments they make are their own.

"There may be some overlap between what pollsters say and what politicians say, but some of it's just common sense," said Don Stewart, a spokesman for Minority Leader Mitch McConnell (R-Ky.). "We're for reform."

But being on the side of reform is Luntz talking point number ten, the Huffington Post pointed out.

"We didn't need him to tell us that we're for reform," said Stewart.

Ryan Grim is the author of the just-released book This Is Your Country On Drugs: The Secret History of Getting High in America

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The Senate Democratic leadership attacked GOP pollster Frank Luntz at its weekly press conference Thursday, mocking Republicans for taking their health care advice from the man Majority Whip Dick Durb...
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- lvogt I'm a Fan of lvogt 26 fans permalink

Progressives must defeat Reid, Bachaus and the blue dogs.

SINGLE PAYER!!!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:13 AM on 06/12/2009
- billw8017 I'm a Fan of billw8017 43 fans permalink

Single payer, yes! But turning on the Democrats is a strategy worthy of Luntz. You don't alienate allies just as you gird for the big battle. Rather, you decide what it is that you believe in, gather the allies, and go for it.

Luntz did us all a favor by explaining the cynical arguments. A person wonders: Who leaked the Luntz memo?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:28 AM on 06/12/2009
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Its BLUE DAWGS! Don't associate these cr00ks with the kindly DOG!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:10 AM on 06/12/2009
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Exactly. Man's best friend does need to be associated with those sc0ndrels.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:01 PM on 06/12/2009
- Carolab I'm a Fan of Carolab 454 fans permalink
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Durbin highlighted arguments made by Republican leadership: "They tell horror stories about health care stories in other countries. That would be Dr. Frank Luntz's talking point number five.

No better example of THAT than at yesterday's hearing -- watch Kucinich take this "Canadian health care expert" Dr. David Gratzer, telling his "horror stories" apart:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DII7v8yeRjs

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:10 AM on 06/12/2009
- JZ735 I'm a Fan of JZ735 22 fans permalink

Dennis has been fabulous...you GO, boy!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:21 AM on 06/12/2009
- Carolab I'm a Fan of Carolab 454 fans permalink
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That's not all!

Read this!

US House to debate Ron Paul’s ‘Audit the Fed’ bill

After months of activism and lobbying by Congressman Ron Paul’s supporters, House Resolution 1207, the Federal Reserve Transparency Act, will move out of committee to be debated by the full House of Representatives.

In a show of cross-party unity, Ohio Democratic Congressman Dennis Kucinich became the bill’s 218th co-sponsor, pushing it over the threshold for debate in Congress. The bill, which achieved its 222nd co-sponsorship on Thursday, has been in consideration by the House Financial Services Committee since Feb. 26.

Congressman Kucinich, along with Rep. Edolphus Towns (D-NY), announced Tuesday that the House Financial Services Committee will subpoena the Federal Reserve to ascertain the details of the Fed’s agreements with Bank of America in the institution’s acquisition of Merrill Lynch.

http://rawstory.com/08/news/2009/06/11/us-house-to-debate-ron-pauls-audit-the-fed-bill/

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:56 AM on 06/12/2009

Dennis is the only one who really cares about our American families. He puts us first, along with our civil rights, unlike his senatorial co horts. Those who bashed this man, should ask themselves who was the better candidate, it was Dennis. Now we have someone who made huge speaches, looked pretty, but is still getting us down the same road as Bush. We need Dennis in office folks, get him there any way you can.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:06 AM on 06/12/2009
- jozinha I'm a Fan of jozinha 21 fans permalink
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The day Lutz crosses the ideological line there's trouble brewing.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:05 AM on 06/12/2009
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It is time to take your biggest POT an Biggest Metal to the nearest Federal Building and just pound on it endlessly for hours.

It worked when the masses did that in Argentina!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:49 AM on 06/12/2009
- Carolab I'm a Fan of Carolab 454 fans permalink
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Seriously. When will people REACT?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:55 AM on 06/12/2009
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None of these politicians seems even embarrassed by all the facts that are con=ming out about them and their corrupt links to insurance, healthcare, and Wall Street.

It is going to take some REAL RAUCOUS to get anything done!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:08 AM on 06/12/2009
- TheHandyman I'm a Fan of TheHandyman 111 fans permalink
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It seems that most of you are missing the point. Lutz spoke to the Democan'ts just as he did to the Republiwon'ts because they both carry water for the healthcareless industry. Neither the Dems nor the Repugs want to reform healthcare. They get way too much money from that industry for their reelection campaigns. It is only a handful of Congress that want single payer and only a few more are willing to go for some very watered down version of a government run health insurance that would be able to compete with the for profit insurance. They will hamstring it so that it cannot succeed and after a few years they will refuse to fund it because it didn't work. As Max Baucaus recently said at a forum on healthcare, "single payer is not on the table because it cannot pass. Not because the People don't want it, the majority do, but rather because the industry and Congress don't want it so why even bother!"

So Lutz is not representing the left or right as implied, he is representing the industry which doesn't want it and is paying to have him tell Congress what to say so that they can convince us that it won't work and they can keep their big profits in take and grease the wheels of Congress!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:49 AM on 06/12/2009
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I hate to admit this, but, you're correct.
We are serfs...Plain and simple...We will always be serfs.
The political system that has successfully been foisted on us is nothing more than smoke and mirrors; A Scam to say the least...
Until there is radical "campaign finance reform" it will be this way.......Of course there will NOT ever be radical "campaign finance reform" because the current system allows the MONEY to prevent such reform!.
And the wheels go round and round...And the politicians blow smoke...And the MONEY runs the show...And the serfs STILL think they have a chance...
Pretty sad.........

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:13 AM on 06/12/2009

I think it's a hybrid problem. there's the $ from the industry, but Democrats also seem reluctant to wield the power that they hold. Republicans had no issue with pushing through their agenda while they held the reigns (and Dems acquiesed), but Dems seem to percieve themselves as weak even though they are in the majority. Bipartisanship is what we should seek, but if the opposition has a kamikaze attitude, do what you were elected to do.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:43 AM on 06/12/2009
- mmonarch I'm a Fan of mmonarch 26 fans permalink
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Congress needs to lose their collective job. They do not live in fear of losing their jobs though. Not like the every day American. For some strange reason, people keep re-electing these thieving losers. We pay their salaries and we keep re-hiring them every election. Obama is no different than Bush or Clinton or any of them. Maybe worse. He came up through the Chicago political swamp. People think some of that mud didn't stick to him? Puh-leeze.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:52 PM on 06/13/2009
- bibimimi I'm a Fan of bibimimi 35 fans permalink
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Dr Frank I. Greasestain...equal opportunity denier. Hope he spends his blood money in he||.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:35 AM on 06/12/2009
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A who re will work for anyone.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:44 AM on 06/12/2009
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Now my grand plan of accusing all tr0[[s of repeating 'Luntz' talking points is ruined

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:33 AM on 06/12/2009
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If anyone has Congressman/woman or Senator in front of their name I don't trust them, Democrat and Republican alike. They all owe someone a vote and it's not their average constituents.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:13 AM on 06/12/2009
- JZ735 I'm a Fan of JZ735 22 fans permalink

That's why on so many issues to trust either party is folly.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:23 AM on 06/12/2009
- Anonani I'm a Fan of Anonani 62 fans permalink
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So the bottom line is that Luntz can argue any position and will advise to the highest bidder. American ingenuity and entrepreneur ism is alive and well.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:32 PM on 06/11/2009

Bingo.

In America it's not what's comes from your heart...it's what comes out of your mouth.

SSDD

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:17 AM on 06/12/2009
- billsmile I'm a Fan of billsmile 15 fans permalink

If Luntz were an average citizen....would he ever be heard in such a manner by those in Congress?

No!

The fact that he may be a nice guy, or persuasive, or thoughtful, or have a certain way about him doesn't justify why congress folks are at the table with him in the first place.

It's a set-up and the folks who are gonna get gunned down are good hard working citizens.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:29 PM on 06/11/2009

All this reduction of complex issues to sound bites is reducing me to tears.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:29 PM on 06/11/2009

Depressing, perhaps. But let's learn that words really do mean. Stake out the progressive position for what it is, "Pro Health."

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:42 PM on 06/11/2009
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Can't we get Dr. Phil or someone to teach these guys to work together?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:24 PM on 06/11/2009
- Poboy I'm a Fan of Poboy 21 fans permalink

Ryan,

Do you remember this?

"To get an idea of what the scene would look like on the Senate floor if Democrats tried to force Republicans to talk out a filibuster, turn on C-SPAN on any given Saturday. Hear the classical music? See the blue carpet behind the "Quorum Call" logo? That would be the resulting scene if Democrats forced a filibuster and the GOP chose not to play along."

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/02/23/the-myth-of-the-filibuste_n_169117.html

Could this be an example of Luntz-speak?

Because we all know that this is NOT TRUE.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:23 PM on 06/11/2009
- bayarea000 I'm a Fan of bayarea000 5 fans permalink

reid is an idiot. having this guy (luntz) speak with them is foolsih. that is precisely the problem in washington, it is incestuous and everyone is out for themselves. mr feingold YOU thought he was great? just got your latest fundraiser letter FORGET ABOUT IT!!!!!!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:12 PM on 06/11/2009
- JZ735 I'm a Fan of JZ735 22 fans permalink

Yes, I am really upset with Feingold...I thought that maybe, just maybe, there was a few good eggs left in Congress...thank God for Dennis K. who has been tearing apart the idiots who are trying to thwart health care...and loved the way he smacked Bof A's CEO around today.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:26 AM on 06/12/2009
- Raster I'm a Fan of Raster 24 fans permalink

I have concluded that Reid is a Republican stealth weapon constructed by Republican operatives.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:04 PM on 06/11/2009
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