Dems' Bogeyman Luntz Schooled Reid, Other Dems On Messaging

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First Posted: 06-11-09 05:34 PM   |   Updated: 06-12-09 10:37 PM

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The Senate Democratic leadership attacked GOP pollster Frank Luntz at its weekly press conference Thursday, mocking Republicans for taking their health care advice from the man Majority Whip Dick Durbin (D-Ill.) repeatedly dubbed "Dr. Frank I. Luntz."

"What we're hearing from the Republican leadership on the floor of the Senate is vaguely familiar. Dr. Frank I. Luntz issued this plan," said Durbin, waving a copy of a memo that Luntz wrote several months ago, outlining rhetorical tactics to oppose health care reform.

Durbin highlighted arguments made by Republican leadership: "They tell horror stories about health care stories in other countries. That would be Dr. Frank Luntz's talking point number five." And on he went, referring over and over to the talking points outlined in the Luntz memo.

Shortly after Luntz had released his memo, Democratic strategist Paul Begala responded with his own point-by-point counter-memo. "Because they know they cannot win the argument honestly, Republicans are resorting to mendacity," Begala wrote. "Democrats must not let them get away with it."

But the Senate Democrats already knew all they needed about such mendacious methods: Luntz himself had briefed them at a Democratic retreat earlier this year. His co-panelist: Paul Begala.

Since that January retreat, he has also briefed Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid (D-Nev.) personally, a Reid aide confirmed. The message to the leader and to the Senate Democratic caucus was the same: Words matter.

"He didn't talk about health care in particular," said Sen. Patty Murray (D-Wash.), a member of Democratic leadership. "He talked about words, and words matter, and how important it is how you portray what it is you're doing. And obviously now he's advising Republicans what kind of language they can use to fight for the status quo."

The Luntz-Reid meeting was also about messaging. The majority leader and the Republican pollster had met several times over the previous several years, although only met once this year, other than the retreat, said a senior aide to Reid. Luntz didn't return several calls and e-mails.

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Reid is not averse to meeting with a wide variety of consultants, the aide said, naming Begala, Geoffrey Garin, Mark Mellman, Susan McCue, Jim Margolis and Third Way's Matt Bennett as folks who've met with him this year. "He might not listen to all of them, but he hears them out," the aide said.

Sen. Russ Feingold (D-Wisc.) said that many in the room left with a grudging respect for Luntz. "I thought it was great," he said of the briefing. "He really showed his ability to put things in interesting terms and people had to concede that he was pretty good at the use of language."

Murray, too, was impressed by Luntz' skill, if not his ultimate political goals--if, in fact, he actually has any underlying political ideology.

"I think people listened to him with interest. He's an intelligent guy and his goal is to help you provide the language to fight for what you believe in. And certainly he's doing that right now for those who want to oppose any kind of change in health care," she said.

Democrats have been slow on the rhetorical battleground, according to Feingold. "I think people took to heart not only what he was saying but [were] closely following how he was trying to manipulate the health care issue," Feingold said. "After the experience in 1994 and various other issues, Democrats have learned the lesson that you can't just have the right policies, you also have to use the right language. It's a question we were a little slow in learning."

Republicans, meanwhile, are calling themselves less impressed by Luntz's memo, claiming that the arguments they make are their own.

"There may be some overlap between what pollsters say and what politicians say, but some of it's just common sense," said Don Stewart, a spokesman for Minority Leader Mitch McConnell (R-Ky.). "We're for reform."

But being on the side of reform is Luntz talking point number ten, the Huffington Post pointed out.

"We didn't need him to tell us that we're for reform," said Stewart.

Ryan Grim is the author of the just-released book This Is Your Country On Drugs: The Secret History of Getting High in America

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The Senate Democratic leadership attacked GOP pollster Frank Luntz at its weekly press conference Thursday, mocking Republicans for taking their health care advice from the man Majority Whip Dick Durb...
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Frank Luntz is another GOP devil.
Watching his purported scientific monitoring of voter reactions to candidate's speeches was beyond science fiction.
He tried desperately to influence and cajole while he professed "objectivity".
These types of people I find hard to fathom, they certainly don't think of themselves as evil but evil doing they are.

Another 30 pieces bought and sold for and by the GOP.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:48 PM on 06/11/2009
- lovetolast I'm a Fan of lovetolast 51 fans permalink
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If they're gonna give big bucks to someone to counsel them on messaging, they could have turned to any number of progressive folks who also do that for a living. Why didn't they bring in Thom Hartmann?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:48 PM on 06/11/2009
- ncmom54 I'm a Fan of ncmom54 60 fans permalink
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This is pathetic!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:47 PM on 06/11/2009
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the article: "... impressed by Luntz' skill, if not his ultimate political goals--if, in fact, he actually has any underlying political ideology."

If there is an ideologue on the planet it is Lutz. He is in the pocket of every cause and concept that is regressive. I know, I've spoken to him.

If he's giving advice to both sides now it only illustrates what a phenomenal s limba ll he has always been.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:42 PM on 06/11/2009
- mikefina I'm a Fan of mikefina 52 fans permalink

SO, Dems voted FOR Luntz, before the voted AGAINST him.

Eerily reminiscent of someone...

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:41 PM on 06/11/2009
- research I'm a Fan of research 291 fans permalink

With all the people that have DIED because of USA health insurance company malfeasance,

Bring it on.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:12 PM on 06/11/2009
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Framing is another word for scamming ,you manipulate words to manipulate a person's rational thought process to " close" them on a bad product . Luntz should be riding around on his snake oil wagon in the astroid belt.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:08 PM on 06/11/2009

Progressives need their own Luntz to be front and center.

It's all advertising and I know there are many progressives there.

Most academics are progressive so why can't someone pick their brains.

I've seen Luntz on Bill Maher's show and other interviews and I think he is really conflicted. In addition to being a big queen and working for the homophobes, his personal politics don't seem reactionary but he could have been playing to the audience.

Now that we know the "words" use other words to debunk them or, as Jon Stewart does, put video of everyone using the same words. Does anyone remember the great Costa-Gravis movie "Z" (prescient and a terrific movie) where all the conspirators used the phrase "he leaped like a tiger" -- or something like that -- which sets the courageous investigator into action.

I guess it's the money, stupid.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:44 PM on 06/11/2009
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If Luntz makes so much money off manipluating polling data, then maybe he can afford to get his teeth whitened. Close mouth for future photos, please. Yuk mouth in that photo above!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:59 PM on 06/11/2009
- Tubalcain I'm a Fan of Tubalcain 6 fans permalink

Hate him or love him. Frank Luntz is a genius at framing an argument. The Dems wished they had him on their side to frame the healthcare debate. If you ever watched Orwell Comes To America, you'll see what I mean. He's definitely an opportunist, I guess it's the money.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:37 PM on 06/11/2009
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He's our own Jos.eph Go.eb.bels.

Enjoy!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:51 PM on 06/11/2009

I watched that and was impressed with both Luntz and Drew Westen.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:32 PM on 06/11/2009
- rxvette I'm a Fan of rxvette 34 fans permalink

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http://rxvette.blogspot.com/2009/05/healthcare-reform-touches-home.html

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:37 PM on 06/11/2009
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First rule of battle:

KNOW YOUR ENEMY.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:36 PM on 06/11/2009
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Karl Rove wannabe and close to being.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:34 PM on 06/11/2009
- WongChin I'm a Fan of WongChin 2 fans permalink

I've always know it. Dems do not coordinate what they say & are usually bad & long-winded in delivery. For a person like Ross Feingold to express such a surprise about how language matters is simply a disgrace. That is why Republican talking points have come to dominate the national discourse & get people avidly to support policies that work against their interests. If Dems had their act together, they would have done so much to move this country forward.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:29 PM on 06/11/2009
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so this guy was hired to fool the public about healthcare reform? HA! NICE TRY, but these tactics will no longer work and you are wasting your time trying to fool us. We won't be fooled again!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:28 PM on 06/11/2009

You are so right!

You can't fool someone if the truth is in the form of a bill that comes every month or the opposite, no health care at all because their employment doesn't offer it and the cost is prohibitive.

Dream on GOP, these times are a changing.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:53 PM on 06/11/2009
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Proves again that this man pimps himself out to the highest bidder. I remember him on Bill Maher claiming he wasn't a Republican. I literally fell off my chair laughing at that.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:26 PM on 06/11/2009
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yeah, that was his "cool dem persona" on Bill Maher. I wish Bill would run his guests by me first. Sometimes I can't stand to watch, like when Michael Steele was on. I knew he was a dummy then.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:31 PM on 06/11/2009
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Steele should come back on to make his other predictions that won't come true. I remember him stating "mark my words, she'll be the next VP" (about Palin). Oh man, epic fail.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:35 PM on 06/11/2009
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me too, but i believed him. he's a soulless opportunist who gets off on what he does.

does that make him a bad guy?

YES!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:29 PM on 06/11/2009
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