Dems' Bogeyman Luntz Schooled Reid, Other Dems On Messaging

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First Posted: 06-11-09 05:34 PM   |   Updated: 06-12-09 10:37 PM

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The Senate Democratic leadership attacked GOP pollster Frank Luntz at its weekly press conference Thursday, mocking Republicans for taking their health care advice from the man Majority Whip Dick Durbin (D-Ill.) repeatedly dubbed "Dr. Frank I. Luntz."

"What we're hearing from the Republican leadership on the floor of the Senate is vaguely familiar. Dr. Frank I. Luntz issued this plan," said Durbin, waving a copy of a memo that Luntz wrote several months ago, outlining rhetorical tactics to oppose health care reform.

Durbin highlighted arguments made by Republican leadership: "They tell horror stories about health care stories in other countries. That would be Dr. Frank Luntz's talking point number five." And on he went, referring over and over to the talking points outlined in the Luntz memo.

Shortly after Luntz had released his memo, Democratic strategist Paul Begala responded with his own point-by-point counter-memo. "Because they know they cannot win the argument honestly, Republicans are resorting to mendacity," Begala wrote. "Democrats must not let them get away with it."

But the Senate Democrats already knew all they needed about such mendacious methods: Luntz himself had briefed them at a Democratic retreat earlier this year. His co-panelist: Paul Begala.

Since that January retreat, he has also briefed Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid (D-Nev.) personally, a Reid aide confirmed. The message to the leader and to the Senate Democratic caucus was the same: Words matter.

"He didn't talk about health care in particular," said Sen. Patty Murray (D-Wash.), a member of Democratic leadership. "He talked about words, and words matter, and how important it is how you portray what it is you're doing. And obviously now he's advising Republicans what kind of language they can use to fight for the status quo."

The Luntz-Reid meeting was also about messaging. The majority leader and the Republican pollster had met several times over the previous several years, although only met once this year, other than the retreat, said a senior aide to Reid. Luntz didn't return several calls and e-mails.

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Reid is not averse to meeting with a wide variety of consultants, the aide said, naming Begala, Geoffrey Garin, Mark Mellman, Susan McCue, Jim Margolis and Third Way's Matt Bennett as folks who've met with him this year. "He might not listen to all of them, but he hears them out," the aide said.

Sen. Russ Feingold (D-Wisc.) said that many in the room left with a grudging respect for Luntz. "I thought it was great," he said of the briefing. "He really showed his ability to put things in interesting terms and people had to concede that he was pretty good at the use of language."

Murray, too, was impressed by Luntz' skill, if not his ultimate political goals--if, in fact, he actually has any underlying political ideology.

"I think people listened to him with interest. He's an intelligent guy and his goal is to help you provide the language to fight for what you believe in. And certainly he's doing that right now for those who want to oppose any kind of change in health care," she said.

Democrats have been slow on the rhetorical battleground, according to Feingold. "I think people took to heart not only what he was saying but [were] closely following how he was trying to manipulate the health care issue," Feingold said. "After the experience in 1994 and various other issues, Democrats have learned the lesson that you can't just have the right policies, you also have to use the right language. It's a question we were a little slow in learning."

Republicans, meanwhile, are calling themselves less impressed by Luntz's memo, claiming that the arguments they make are their own.

"There may be some overlap between what pollsters say and what politicians say, but some of it's just common sense," said Don Stewart, a spokesman for Minority Leader Mitch McConnell (R-Ky.). "We're for reform."

But being on the side of reform is Luntz talking point number ten, the Huffington Post pointed out.

"We didn't need him to tell us that we're for reform," said Stewart.

Ryan Grim is the author of the just-released book This Is Your Country On Drugs: The Secret History of Getting High in America

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The Senate Democratic leadership attacked GOP pollster Frank Luntz at its weekly press conference Thursday, mocking Republicans for taking their health care advice from the man Majority Whip Dick Durb...
The Senate Democratic leadership attacked GOP pollster Frank Luntz at its weekly press conference Thursday, mocking Republicans for taking their health care advice from the man Majority Whip Dick Durb...
 
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- Rangergirl I'm a Fan of Rangergirl 18 fans permalink

I wrote an email to the Dem. Who called this jerk out on the floor of the Senate....­.Don't let these guys ruin our chances for Healthcare reform.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:25 PM on 06/11/2009
- KLordsha I'm a Fan of KLordsha 28 fans permalink
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Noooo..not Luntz the Dunce.. But then again, he is a lifetime closet Obamacan.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:24 PM on 06/11/2009
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Soul for sale to the highest bidder. Values not supplied.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:16 PM on 06/11/2009
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Empty soul. a mere shadow really.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:29 PM on 06/11/2009
- mrh3 I'm a Fan of mrh3 40 fans permalink

Here is some language that doesn't impress me: co-op,trig­ger,region­al plan or mandate. I am however impressed by single payer or optional national public plan.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:13 PM on 06/11/2009
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yeah, I'd like to co-op somebodies trigger, like Kent Conrad, and I don't mean in a good way! :)

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:33 PM on 06/11/2009

Wow, "gotcha!" huh? Who effing cares?

Luntz has always been a right-wing tool, if Dems brought him in to talk it was certainly to get "the other side's" perspectiv­e.... I'm sure you think you caught the Democrats doing something hypocritical, but ultimately you're just playing with yourself..­. congrats..­.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:06 PM on 06/11/2009
- Montgriz I'm a Fan of Montgriz 36 fans permalink

This is exactly what is wrong with America's politics today...Po­litcal whores like Luntz, are telling our elected officials what to do, say, and where to say it to and how.......­what do we need to do to get them to listen to the people?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:23 PM on 06/11/2009
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i'm not sure, but i have a feeling that sooner or later, we're going to find out.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:30 PM on 06/11/2009
- moxieme I'm a Fan of moxieme 12 fans permalink

That's how the Dems do it. They could learn a thing or two about street fights from the Repthugs. They have been down in the mud since Obama won the election. They don't care how delusional, demented, and desperate they appear, they just fight the fight. Theres always enough Dems to bend over when the Repthugs roll out the cash barrel. Look at those two fools in NY, who, hopefully will be swept out of office in a landslide. Yep, that's how it always is with the Dems, so close and yet so far, always their own worst enemy. Sad, Sad, Sad!!!!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:03 PM on 06/11/2009
- StevieRae I'm a Fan of StevieRae 12 fans permalink
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Luntz has been selling his "luntz-speak" to whoever is willing to pay on either of the street.

Surfacing this work he allegedly did for the Democrats is no more than a distraction.

He needs to take away attention from his very destructive and effective 28-page handbook he developed for the Republicans on how to defeat any changes to the Health Care system.

Just listen for "luntz-speak" from those who really don't care about improving the health and welfare of Americans.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:56 PM on 06/11/2009
- Mekarri I'm a Fan of Mekarri 32 fans permalink
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Can you people get rid of Reid, he is a spineless wimp. Vote him out! Please, and while you at it get rid of pelosi too.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:49 PM on 06/11/2009
- Montgriz I'm a Fan of Montgriz 36 fans permalink

True!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:24 PM on 06/11/2009
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Reid can go, but not Pelosi. She's proving to be the only one with cajones!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:26 PM on 06/11/2009
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that's right...ai­n't nothing wrong with Pelosi

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:30 PM on 06/11/2009
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The dems are such pu###s

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:47 PM on 06/11/2009
- joyf1 I'm a Fan of joyf1 17 fans permalink
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When making a plural with a word ending in Y, drop the Y, and add ies.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:11 PM on 06/11/2009
- mikefina I'm a Fan of mikefina 42 fans permalink

Dems are monkies?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:39 PM on 06/11/2009
- jazzman I'm a Fan of jazzman 229 fans permalink
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Reid's stirring comments on radio today were, "We can't let the perfect be the enemy of the good." Now when Harry Reid says something like that you know that what he means is that he's going to scrap the public option out of the bill if he can and try and scold Democrats into accepting 'compromise'. Of course compromise to the Blue Dogs means bending over for the HCI and saying, "how wide?"

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:43 PM on 06/11/2009
- tekjensen I'm a Fan of tekjensen 17 fans permalink
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Or he could be talking about scrapping the single payer option. It seems to make more sense considering it's probably the perfect option to us that support universal health care. I think he's trying to say that no matter what we come up with it's not going to be perfect and there will be problems that have to be dealt with but that shouldn't keep us from implementing a program that will be good for the American public.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:14 PM on 06/11/2009
- Montgriz I'm a Fan of Montgriz 36 fans permalink

Reid is a mormon tool and well paid to keep the good of the people out of anything that comes out of Washington­...

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:24 PM on 06/11/2009
- apoyo I'm a Fan of apoyo 40 fans permalink

Con man 101

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:42 PM on 06/11/2009

Why in the world would the dems even consider listening to right wing Lying Luntz? This really saddens me. Why wouldn't they consult George Lakoff for their language lessons? At least Lakoff is an honest progressive.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:40 PM on 06/11/2009
- Tom95134 I'm a Fan of Tom95134 53 fans permalink
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What the Democrats didn't learn is that when you hire a hooker you should pay enough money so that they don't also give away their "charms" to the other side.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:31 PM on 06/11/2009
- ramal I'm a Fan of ramal 73 fans permalink
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Luntz is the Joseph Goebbels of the rightwing. Progressives need to fight fire with fire.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:29 PM on 06/11/2009
- OverIt I'm a Fan of OverIt 74 fans permalink

Guess the GOP offered more $$$.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:23 PM on 06/11/2009
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