Dems' Bogeyman Luntz Schooled Reid, Other Dems On Messaging

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First Posted: 06-11-09 05:34 PM   |   Updated: 06-12-09 10:37 PM

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The Senate Democratic leadership attacked GOP pollster Frank Luntz at its weekly press conference Thursday, mocking Republicans for taking their health care advice from the man Majority Whip Dick Durbin (D-Ill.) repeatedly dubbed "Dr. Frank I. Luntz."

"What we're hearing from the Republican leadership on the floor of the Senate is vaguely familiar. Dr. Frank I. Luntz issued this plan," said Durbin, waving a copy of a memo that Luntz wrote several months ago, outlining rhetorical tactics to oppose health care reform.

Durbin highlighted arguments made by Republican leadership: "They tell horror stories about health care stories in other countries. That would be Dr. Frank Luntz's talking point number five." And on he went, referring over and over to the talking points outlined in the Luntz memo.

Shortly after Luntz had released his memo, Democratic strategist Paul Begala responded with his own point-by-point counter-memo. "Because they know they cannot win the argument honestly, Republicans are resorting to mendacity," Begala wrote. "Democrats must not let them get away with it."

But the Senate Democrats already knew all they needed about such mendacious methods: Luntz himself had briefed them at a Democratic retreat earlier this year. His co-panelist: Paul Begala.

Since that January retreat, he has also briefed Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid (D-Nev.) personally, a Reid aide confirmed. The message to the leader and to the Senate Democratic caucus was the same: Words matter.

"He didn't talk about health care in particular," said Sen. Patty Murray (D-Wash.), a member of Democratic leadership. "He talked about words, and words matter, and how important it is how you portray what it is you're doing. And obviously now he's advising Republicans what kind of language they can use to fight for the status quo."

The Luntz-Reid meeting was also about messaging. The majority leader and the Republican pollster had met several times over the previous several years, although only met once this year, other than the retreat, said a senior aide to Reid. Luntz didn't return several calls and e-mails.

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Reid is not averse to meeting with a wide variety of consultants, the aide said, naming Begala, Geoffrey Garin, Mark Mellman, Susan McCue, Jim Margolis and Third Way's Matt Bennett as folks who've met with him this year. "He might not listen to all of them, but he hears them out," the aide said.

Sen. Russ Feingold (D-Wisc.) said that many in the room left with a grudging respect for Luntz. "I thought it was great," he said of the briefing. "He really showed his ability to put things in interesting terms and people had to concede that he was pretty good at the use of language."

Murray, too, was impressed by Luntz' skill, if not his ultimate political goals--if, in fact, he actually has any underlying political ideology.

"I think people listened to him with interest. He's an intelligent guy and his goal is to help you provide the language to fight for what you believe in. And certainly he's doing that right now for those who want to oppose any kind of change in health care," she said.

Democrats have been slow on the rhetorical battleground, according to Feingold. "I think people took to heart not only what he was saying but [were] closely following how he was trying to manipulate the health care issue," Feingold said. "After the experience in 1994 and various other issues, Democrats have learned the lesson that you can't just have the right policies, you also have to use the right language. It's a question we were a little slow in learning."

Republicans, meanwhile, are calling themselves less impressed by Luntz's memo, claiming that the arguments they make are their own.

"There may be some overlap between what pollsters say and what politicians say, but some of it's just common sense," said Don Stewart, a spokesman for Minority Leader Mitch McConnell (R-Ky.). "We're for reform."

But being on the side of reform is Luntz talking point number ten, the Huffington Post pointed out.

"We didn't need him to tell us that we're for reform," said Stewart.

Ryan Grim is the author of the just-released book This Is Your Country On Drugs: The Secret History of Getting High in America

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The Senate Democratic leadership attacked GOP pollster Frank Luntz at its weekly press conference Thursday, mocking Republicans for taking their health care advice from the man Majority Whip Dick Durb...
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Frank Luntz is what "belt lines" were invented for

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:22 PM on 06/11/2009

I received an email from my Republican Congresswoman containing language and strategy straight out of Luntz's memo. It is calculated to arouse emotion, not reason and debate. Isn't this what Goebbels did?

Unlike Goebbels, Luntz uses modern social psychological techniques to create effective propaganda for his right wing paymasters. This is a very frightening development in American politics. Luntz's work has underlain the Republican campaign strategies of the last decade or so. He uses fear and division to win elections.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:17 PM on 06/11/2009
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Luntz is a problem maker not a solution-

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:13 PM on 06/11/2009
- LeeCalif I'm a Fan of LeeCalif 83 fans permalink

" Since that January retreat, he has also briefed Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid (D-Nev.) personally, a Reid aide confirmed. The message to the leader and to the Senate Democratic caucus was the same: Words matter. "

Too bad Harry Reid has no leadership ability and no interest in learning how to ' frame ' issues.

Howard Dean talked about framing and the strength of it back in '04.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:11 PM on 06/11/2009
- dwright I'm a Fan of dwright 313 fans permalink
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So now they are admitting that the Democrats in Congress need to be "schooled" in the art of lying.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:10 PM on 06/11/2009
- shastacola I'm a Fan of shastacola 13 fans permalink
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The fact that these democrats are "impressed" with his ability to manipulate language to frighten people is pathetic. This is not a game.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:08 PM on 06/11/2009
- HC4BO I'm a Fan of HC4BO 43 fans permalink
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NO amount of words will F00L ME !

I think they are aiming for those hard-core Faux News fanatics ...

THEY need their information dictated to them NOT acquired from personal inquisition ...

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:07 PM on 06/11/2009
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NO amount of words will FOOL ME !

I think they are aiming for those hard-core Faux News fanatics ...

THEY need their information dictated to them NOT acquired from personal inquisition ...

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:06 PM on 06/11/2009
- mikefina I'm a Fan of mikefina 54 fans permalink

You can say that again.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:47 PM on 06/11/2009

Yes. Words do matter. Which is why most intellectuals or progressives and even some democrats care enough about language to not turn it into some Orwellian weapon of subterfuge and manipulation to wield against the common, everyday, middle class and poor American in order to protect and enhance the interests of the wealthy/powerful/corporations. It is how the American system of economy, business and politics became about unfettered Capitalism which is about the least demcratic system imaginable instead of allowing a natural balance Social Capitalism to emerge like it has all over Europe in various forms. The murdering of words and langauge by Republicans, the cheapening and double-speak of the conservative movement has convinced 33% of the nation to vote against it's own self interests for over 20 years. The only way the super wealthy and powerful can keep in control as the gap between themselves and everyone else widens is to twist reality to convince the have-nots that protecting the haves under the delusion that one day they themselves might be one of them ... when in fact the haves almost without exception throughout history have done anything neccessary to keep their ranks as small as possible.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:02 PM on 06/11/2009
- LeeCalif I'm a Fan of LeeCalif 83 fans permalink

That's not all there is to framing issues.

You can pique an audiences' interest by using certain words. Then they are more apt to at least listen to your message.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:12 PM on 06/11/2009

Nicely said. Thank you.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:34 PM on 06/11/2009
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That luntz feller's pretty foxy

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:00 PM on 06/11/2009
- dwright I'm a Fan of dwright 313 fans permalink
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I hope you mean in a clever way and not his looks

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:09 PM on 06/11/2009
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What is it with the soft puff face thing for your republicans.

Glen Beck, Karl Rove, Luntz ???

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:09 PM on 06/11/2009
- olmossy I'm a Fan of olmossy 17 fans permalink

Well if he's teaching the us Congress and Senate how to lie, He must really know his stuff.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:54 PM on 06/11/2009
- rssrai I'm a Fan of rssrai 16 fans permalink

The repugs hate the american people and love big business and billionaires. Why would anyone vote repug beats me.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:53 PM on 06/11/2009
- mikefina I'm a Fan of mikefina 54 fans permalink

It must bother you that they read the article above which their comments appear. Drat them, damn readers.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:02 PM on 06/11/2009
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The problem with Luntz's words is that they are all lies and he and those who utter them know they are lies. Everything they are warning will happen under a government run health plan is already happening under for-profit health insurance plans. We can't choose our doctor, we have to wait to see specialists, our care is rationed and a bureaucrat in a suit that gets a bonus for denying us care already makes decisions about our health. In addition to socking it to us when it comes to our actual health care, they also sock it to us with premiums that double pretty much every year.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:44 PM on 06/11/2009
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Republicans in the Senate need someone to tell them when to wipe... this story is not news.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:42 PM on 06/11/2009
- forza I'm a Fan of forza 6 fans permalink
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not at all

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:03 PM on 06/11/2009
- mikefina I'm a Fan of mikefina 54 fans permalink

Did you even read the article above? It is the Dems who are not only advised by Luntz, but are advised and LIE about it.

But, I take your point------this is hardly news to anyone who follows the Dems.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:04 PM on 06/11/2009
- steelmill I'm a Fan of steelmill 7 fans permalink

how's your fantasy world mikefina

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:11 PM on 06/11/2009
- RenoSage I'm a Fan of RenoSage 21 fans permalink

If everybody knows WORDS HAVE CONSEQUENCES, why do so many people use
inflamatory language? We have seen the consequences in the murders this week.

But is the consequence is affordable and efficient health care, I am ready to listen.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:18 PM on 06/11/2009
- fcsakes I'm a Fan of fcsakes 94 fans permalink
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Did YOU read it? Odd how you didn't understand a word.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:26 PM on 06/11/2009
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