Obama Reasserts Support For Public Plan While AMA Backtracks On Opposition

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First Posted: 06-11-09 01:40 PM   |   Updated: 06-11-09 03:15 PM

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Speaking at a town hall in Green Bay Wisconsin, President Barack Obama addressed head on what is the hot debate of the day: whether a health reform overhaul should include a public option for health insurance.

"I also strongly believe that one of the options in the exchange should be a public insurance option," Obama declared, in what was one of his most forceful statements of support since the health care debate began. "And the reason is not because we want a government takeover of health care. I've already said, if you've got a private plan that works for you, that's great. But we want some competition. If the private insurance companies have to compete with a public option, it will keep them honest and it will help keep their prices down."

The remarks came just several hours after the American Medical Association said it would oppose a public option for coverage. But in a reflection of just how delicate this debate has become, the 250,000 member physician group largely backtracked from its opposition later in the day.

"Make no mistake: health reform that covers the uninsured is AMA's top priority this year," a clarifying statement from the group read. "Every American deserves affordable, high-quality health care coverage.

"Today's New York Times story creates a false impression about the AMA's position on a public plan option in health care reform legislation. The AMA opposes any public plan that forces physicians to participate, expands the fiscally-challenged Medicare program or pays Medicare rates, but the AMA is willing to consider other variations of the public plan that are currently under discussion in Congress. This includes a federally chartered co-op health plan or a level playing field option for all plans. The AMA is working to achieve meaningful health reform this year and is ready to stand behind legislation that includes coverage options that work for patients and physicians."

While not directly addressing AMA's position on the public plan, the president did offer what seemed to be a subtle dig at the group's seemingly conflicting objectives. AMA's mission has been health care coverage for all, but it has also opposed every major attempt at a systematic overhaul since the FDR administration.

"Doctors didn't get into the medical profession to be bean counters or paper pushers," Obama said in his early remarks, underscoring the bureaucratic problems that exists in the status quo. "They are not interested in spending all their time acting like lawyers or business executives."

Later in the question and answer session, Obama directly addressed the political component of the debate over the public option, gently calling out critiques for misrepresenting the plan's objectives.

"Now, how this debate is evolving in Washington, unfortunately sometimes kinds of falls into the usual politics, right?" the President said. "So, what you've heard is some folks on the other side saying, I'm opposed to a public option because that's going to lead to government running your health care system. Now, I don't know how clearly I can say this, but let me try to repeat it. If you've got health insurance that you're happy with through the private sector, then we're not going to force you to do anything. All we're saying is for the 46 million people who don't have health insurance or for people who have got health insurance like you... let's change some of those incentives so that we get more people getting prevention, more people getting health care to keep them healthy as opposed to just treating them when they get sick. And I think that we can come up with a sensible, commonsense way that's not disruptive, that still has room for insurance companies and the private sector, but that does not put people in the position where they are potentially bankrupt every time they get sick."

The ability of the president to elevate himself above the usual political scrum proved monumentally valuable during the course of the campaign. His appearance at Green Bay on Thursday suggests that the Obama White House thinks it can apply this formula to the health care reform debate. The friendlier turf, they believe, is outside Washington.

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- zius I'm a Fan of zius 74 fans permalink
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"I also strongly believe that one of the options in the exchange should be a public insurance option,"

yes yes yes....in time the public option will take over the private insurance and we will have an affordable high quality single payer health care

single payer health care government bureaucratic DON'T interfere with health care medical decisions are left to the patient and doctor the government doesn't pay doctors and hospitals salaried .....

in our current system the private health insurance companies dictate what kind of PLAN you can get ....and they don't cover every condition and every individual ...if you have a preexisting condition you are denied coverage this is a discriminatory practice ..its unfair

a single payer health care = socialized health insurance

the socialized health insurance will provide some competition with the private health insurance companies
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    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:38 PM on 06/11/2009
- rosal I'm a Fan of rosal 339 fans permalink
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Bingo on your second paragraph! You got it!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:41 PM on 06/11/2009
- jmpurser I'm a Fan of jmpurser 197 fans permalink

The theory that a "public option" will lead to single payer would work beautifully IF the public option were open to the public and if it competed with private health plans. It doesn't. As currently discussed the "public option" would be available only to people who could prove they were poor. And we don't fully fund programs for the poor in this country.

"Public Option" is the last gasp for health care reform. Not the first step.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:42 PM on 06/11/2009
- rosal I'm a Fan of rosal 339 fans permalink
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This is the first time I hear public option only for the poor. Who said that? Any links?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:45 PM on 06/11/2009
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What about the illegals? We must provide care for everyone! Let's all write to Obama and encourage him to support healthcare for everyone regardless of legal status!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:38 PM on 06/11/2009
- jmpurser I'm a Fan of jmpurser 197 fans permalink

Americans get arrested for trying to get Canadian health care illegally. Why would that be different here for Mexicans?

Actually we CAN cover every illegal immigrant AND STILL SAVE LOTS OF MONEY if we go with single payer health care. We're talking about 300 million Americans and at most 12 million Mexicans. That's about 4% extra people while we save 30% on getting rid of the health insurance companies alone. Drop in the bucket.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:44 PM on 06/11/2009
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We spend $2.2 trillion per year on health care. Half of that is government spending, the other half is private insurance.

So, we have about $1 trillion in private insurance spending. Their administrative costs are roughly 30%, versus 3% for Medicare. So, if we saved that 27%, that's $270 billion we could save!! Wow!!!!

That's what gets Obama ALL EXCITED. $270 billion is enough to cover all the uninsured, which is his goal.

BUT (and it's a BIG BUT), you have to remember that health care costs are INCREASING by 15% PER YEAR, EVERY YEAR.

So, this year we spend $2.2 trillion. Next year we spend $2.5 Trillion. OOOOOPS!!! There goes ALL the money we saved by destroying the private health insurance system.

Now what? There's no more big, bad insurance companies to destroy. And here we are stuck with a government insurance system that can't contain costs any better than Medicare or Medicaid have been able to, since it's tacked on top of a for-profit status quo health care system.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:51 PM on 06/11/2009

uhh...first lets get it for the American citizens at least... your going to send republicans to panic if Obama starts asking Health insurance for illegal aliens also.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:45 PM on 06/11/2009
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Sorry...I want the government to FIX THE IMMIGRATION SYSTEM, not make up for its flaws by offering things that should be reserved for people who are here legally.
If they want to transform immigration and naturalization so that it is no longer a big fat joke thus allowing people to do things the right way, then that's great.
But offering health care to people without fixing immigration?
That's just crazy talk, because why would they want to even bother if they know they can get everything without coming here proper?
Immigration should work the way it worked for our grandparents when they came here.
They came because they wanted to BE AMERICANS.
Then, once they've done that, then anyone who comes in as a resident alien or as a naturalized citizen, qualifies for it anyway, and we get new citizens who contribute all the way.
It makes for a stronger nation!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:49 PM on 06/11/2009
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This "plan" is so phony it's sickening.

They SAY they want "competition", when in reality they are going to FORCE any doctor that takes Medicare patients to accept "public insurance" patients. What's competitive about that? What's free market about that? Nothing.

Second of all, this leaves the for-profit health care system in place. You know, the system that's bankrupting us, and skyrocketing with 15% inflation every year. Yep, that one. This isn't a single payer health CARE system, it's a public health INSURANCE system tacked on top of the status quo health care system.

We already know how affordable this type of system is. We already have two of them, Medicare and Medicaid. For Medicare alone, we would need to plop $33 TRILLION into it today to keep it from going insolvent. In other words, we can't even afford to cover the 50 million senior citizens in this country with such a plan. Do you libs think Blue Cross is hoarding a $33 trillion piggy bank that Obama can go raid to pay for Medicare?

We can't afford to pay for Medicare, period. It's imminently insolvent. And it's not because of administrative costs! They're less than 2% of the budget. It's the for-profit health care system skyrocketing out of control. And yet, Obama's brilliant solution is to force the same doctors to take on even more patients, and pay them even more for doing so. And extra 10% bonus over and above the Medicare reimbursement levels.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:31 PM on 06/11/2009
- NWRICK I'm a Fan of NWRICK 312 fans permalink
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Oh sorry, did you say something?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:33 PM on 06/11/2009
- textynn I'm a Fan of textynn 129 fans permalink
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I have never heard that Medicare is insolvent, in fact i've heard the opposite many many times. Go back to the Repug sites that can only support their greedy ways with lies.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:34 PM on 06/11/2009
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There is some debate about whether or not SOCIAL SECURITY is insolvent. However, there is no question that Medicare is imminently insolvent.

It's ALREADY running permanent structural deficits this year, and will continue to do so every year until the end of time. Money that has been borrowed from the Medicare trust fund is now being paid back, with interest, to cover the shortfall. By 2017 every dime ever borrowed will be paid back, with interest, after which Medicare will be insolvent.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:39 PM on 06/11/2009
- rosal I'm a Fan of rosal 339 fans permalink
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Blah, blah, blah. No solutions only blah, blah, blah. Defending Blue Cross, enough said!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:38 PM on 06/11/2009
- Phreaked I'm a Fan of Phreaked 82 fans permalink
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You can't pay for it because its outlandishly expensive they way your doing it. you pay 2-3x more per person than any other industrialzed nation and are far worse off for it.

Oh and i think they SHOULD force every doctor to see these people, doctors are not supposed to be businessmen, Hippocratic oath does not work with a business. You shouldn't be able to tell a patient your insurance is no good with me.

When did you read Obama's plan, did it get released and i missed it?

The idea is if they have a public option which only allows doctors to get a certain REGULATED amount for a procedure the price from the other insurance companies will come down to compete. I personally do not like this option either as i do not think it will work but its at least a step in the correct direction.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:40 PM on 06/11/2009
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Screw your free market crappola.
This is about the nation's health not about how much profit they can squeeze from every drop of human misery.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:50 PM on 06/11/2009
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Hey, I'm all for extending health insurance and bringing down costs. This plan is 180 degrees opposite of what we need to do to accomplish that.

Having a ble.edi.ng heart is well and good, until you d.i.e. from the gaping self-inflicted wound. It doesn't do anyone any good to implement a socialized insurance system that's unsustainable and certain to collapse.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:55 PM on 06/11/2009
- Phreaked I'm a Fan of Phreaked 82 fans permalink
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Agreed

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:09 PM on 06/11/2009
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Actually, we've had, so far, 4 months of Obama and backtracking.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:21 PM on 06/11/2009
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Do you have any more little gems you would like to share with us?
Keep the words simple. Things you can handle.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:25 PM on 06/11/2009
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How do you rate the last eight years, then?

Not a rhetorical question. You took the effort to craft this flip post; would you please take the time to respond to my question?

If the last four months are 'backtracking,' what have the last eight years been?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:27 PM on 06/11/2009
- jmpurser I'm a Fan of jmpurser 197 fans permalink

The last 8 years were an unmitigated unprecedented and needless disaster. But no back tracking.

The criticism that Obama has back tracked is valid. I'm more concerned with WHY he back tracked and if he owned up to it. There, the record is not so good either.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:36 PM on 06/11/2009
- NWRICK I'm a Fan of NWRICK 312 fans permalink
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Wrong, but you already know that.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:30 PM on 06/11/2009
- pewty I'm a Fan of pewty 9 fans permalink

and o bowl of sour grapes. Jealosy rears its ugly head. Again.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:30 PM on 06/11/2009
- rosal I'm a Fan of rosal 339 fans permalink
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I am trying to get as much information as possible, I don't want to go the extremists way. I want something that is going to be truly reform, and Health Care for the whole country. At the same time, I don't want to be part of the "My way of the Highway" crowd, because I know then, nothing will get done.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:21 PM on 06/11/2009
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Then you will get nothing.
There are only two choices. You either get health care reform or you don't.
Look, I like compromise as well as anyone. It's fundamental to a democracy. But this is one of those situations where there is no middle ground.
The special interests are trying to block health care reform by perpetuating the status quo. Only a public option will deliver any reform. The so-called "trigger" is nothing but a delay tactic. It is not compromise.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:30 PM on 06/11/2009
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How will this "plan" reduce health care spending? It won't. It can't.

Having a "public option" tacked on top of a for-profit health care system is unsustainable. We already tried that. It's called Medicare, and is facing imminent insolvency.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:34 PM on 06/11/2009

Right on point. I sent an email to my congressman today that made essentially the same points. Everybody should contact their representatives and urge them in the strongest possible terms to not cave to the special interests.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:38 PM on 06/11/2009
- jmpurser I'm a Fan of jmpurser 197 fans permalink

A valid compromise would be between two good plans. Hurrah and whoop-tee-doo I'm all for it.

But we don't have two good plans. We've got single payer and everything else that is labeled health care reform but doesn't actually reform health care.

There's nothing around to compromise with in the area of reforming health care. It's single payer or we didn't reform anything.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:39 PM on 06/11/2009
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It's more like the Hippocitic oath.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:20 PM on 06/11/2009
- Bernique I'm a Fan of Bernique 48 fans permalink

There was a time in 1954, when the tone in society became so toxic for the common good (and for corporations) that this country finally turned against Joe McCarthy and his vitriol, and said ENOUGH, without bloodshed. We have, once again, and sadly, reached the same point.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:16 PM on 06/11/2009
- textynn I'm a Fan of textynn 129 fans permalink
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BINGO.
These greedy medical insurance companies have passed out so much suffering and grief and unbearable stress that i have no doubt a backlash like never before is brewing. They are witless greedy inhumane monsters that don't care who they sacrifice for their greed. They are attacking Americans more effectively than any terrorist and people are getting to the point that they will no longer be submissive. We are starting a whole new Civil Rights Movement.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:24 PM on 06/11/2009
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Yes, we must silence the opposition or we'll never get everything we want!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:32 PM on 06/11/2009
- The Ghost I'm a Fan of The Ghost 47 fans permalink
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You disturbed tools are welcome to continue your circle jerk echo chamber.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:51 PM on 06/11/2009
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Bernique rocks.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:51 PM on 06/11/2009
- lisakaz2 I'm a Fan of lisakaz2 110 fans permalink
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Obama is right. The AMA is conflicted. The present system will collapse. It is NOT about health but the profiteering of insurance companies. My GP listened to them, not my request for an infectious diseases doc. So I have to drive 2.5 hrs to find someone to treat me. And I supposedly have decent insurance. It's LAME.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:16 PM on 06/11/2009

Looks like the Prez is planning to talk to the AMA in Chicago on Monday:
http://www.boston.com/news/politics/politicalintelligence/2009/06/obama_will_talk.html

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:53 PM on 06/11/2009
- Badfickle I'm a Fan of Badfickle 133 fans permalink

My nephew, whose 18-19 just had a major epileptic seizure from something that should have been easy to prevent. He had no health insurance and apparently could not afford the medicine that would have prevented the attack.
He's in the hospital and will be for some time and guess whose paying for that.

You are.

Because now he's on medicare and it's going to cost a LOT of money to take care of this young man. The doctors say he may not work again.

Our system is broken. We need single payer.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:09 PM on 06/11/2009
- rosal I'm a Fan of rosal 339 fans permalink
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Please write your congressmen. A tragedy like this should never have happened, a 19 year old kid deserves better from his country. Best wishes to him.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:12 PM on 06/11/2009
- textynn I'm a Fan of textynn 129 fans permalink
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And when a mother of three dies who also takes care of an elderly mother what do you think that costs society. The money aspect is a lie. Our lack of taking care of Americans cost us plenty but it does not line the pockets of the elite. So we have these laws that make people suffer, save no money what so ever but do make a handful of people rich. It is a big fat lie and we must fight it with every thing we've got. We are dying for their yachts and 15 homes around the world. These people are complete monsters.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:14 PM on 06/11/2009
- jmpurser I'm a Fan of jmpurser 197 fans permalink

I'm sorry for your families troubles. We are killing and crippling Americans just so the insurance industry can extort payments from us. We're at least a generation behind the rest of the world on this and it doesn't look like we're going to start catching up this time either.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:15 PM on 06/11/2009

Just curious, but why isn't he covered under his parents? The law allows for dependents to be covered until age 26 now, and up to age 30 for dependents of vets.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:16 PM on 06/11/2009
- textynn I'm a Fan of textynn 129 fans permalink
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NOT, cut off age is 19.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:18 PM on 06/11/2009
- wearyvoter I'm a Fan of wearyvoter 4 fans permalink

In Illinois, yes, effective June 1, 2009. But not necessarily in the rest of the country.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:29 PM on 06/11/2009
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Maybe his parents don't have it either.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:35 PM on 06/11/2009
- pewty I'm a Fan of pewty 9 fans permalink

Not to mention , he will also have his drivers liscence suspended.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:32 PM on 06/11/2009
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First they oppose training for new doctors to keep prices for their work artificially high now they have the nerve to want to derail help with the sky high rates for workers and employers.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:06 PM on 06/11/2009
- rosal I'm a Fan of rosal 339 fans permalink
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Hey jmpurser: You can go and report to the profiteers "Mission Accomplished". I guess nobody bought the acting.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:04 PM on 06/11/2009
- jmpurser I'm a Fan of jmpurser 197 fans permalink

I'm for single payer. No profiteers in that at all. Who are YOU supporting?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:05 PM on 06/11/2009
- rosal I'm a Fan of rosal 339 fans permalink
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All you have been doing is dissing the Prez, and negative, negative, negative. People who support Single Payer act very differently. I support Health Care for everybody, just like my Prez!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:09 PM on 06/11/2009
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Do I understand the "this is capitalism so we shouldn't have programs to provide government-funded health care" position correctly? That health care should only be available as a market commodity and that a government funded option is morally wrong? Wouldn't the same argument then mean that we should not have government funded schools, roads, and armed forces? Do opponents of health care follow through on their logic to refuse public schools, roads, and armed forces? My experience is they do not. If I presume the opposition is serious and well-intentioned, then the stated reason of their opposition is not the real underlying reason, but merely one that has rhetorical force for them.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:03 PM on 06/11/2009
- Bernique I'm a Fan of Bernique 48 fans permalink

You nailed it, Cyan.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:19 PM on 06/11/2009
- Phreaked I'm a Fan of Phreaked 82 fans permalink
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Ok if you haven't noticed from my posts i'm a old lefty when it comes to gov. involvement

This means to me that the gov must do for the people what they cannot do for themselves. The populace cannot afford the schools, road and armed forces themselves individually so the gov must take the lead.

As such if 1/6th the population cannot afford health care for whatever reason, the gov must step in and help. The government is supposed to be for the people by the people not for the corporations by the corporations or any similar thing

You health should not be a matter of how much you make, all people are entitled to "life liberty and the pursuit of happiness", this is from your declaration of independence, since life is the first one mentioned is it not the most important? Also what happened to all men created equal?

And if you want to go on to an economics perspective the annual loss due to time missed from work due to illness is in the billions of dollars

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:19 PM on 06/11/2009
- Bernique I'm a Fan of Bernique 48 fans permalink

Phreaked -- It is called "the commons" -- that which we, the proud , strong, flag-waving individualists CANNOT do for ourselves -- clear water, clean air, safe roads and bridges, police, fire brigades, good public schools, medicines we can trust, landings on the moon ...

The British invented the term "the commons" when they lived in village communities, Many people around the world still live that way, and are fighting against the invasion of .... Taxes pay for the commons. It's actually a very old and wise concept. Not one to be demonized.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:56 PM on 06/11/2009
- bdd I'm a Fan of bdd permalink
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Only way this will work is with a PUBLIC OPTION.
And note: I'm compromising here.
It should be SINGLE PAYER, PERIOD.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:01 PM on 06/11/2009
- textynn I'm a Fan of textynn 129 fans permalink
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yup

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:03 PM on 06/11/2009
- jmpurser I'm a Fan of jmpurser 197 fans permalink

It won't "work" with a "public option" that is neither public nor an option. The way the "public option" is set up it will never compete with the private plans even if it is fully financed and we don't fully fund programs for the poor in this country.

It's single payer or we don't get health care reform.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:05 PM on 06/11/2009

We need to point out repeatedly that the elected republicans opposing public health care are in fact participants in a government health care program through the congress or senate. By denying us a public option, these opponent are saying that what is good for the elected officials is not good for us regular people!!!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:51 PM on 06/11/2009
- jmpurser I'm a Fan of jmpurser 197 fans permalink

Some animals are more equal than others...

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:56 PM on 06/11/2009
- textynn I'm a Fan of textynn 129 fans permalink
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Thanks for bringing that up. Ii don't see them giving that up for private medical insurance. They are lying with every cell in their bodies and we must not accept it like good little children which is exactly what they expect. If we don't behave and accept their lies, they will be unable to come up with anything because they know they are liars.

I have come to the conclusion that Republicans represent a group that completely sanctions lying and misleading the public for the elite. This party actually finds consummate liars to have the skills they hold in high esteem. Their willingness to let people die so a few can be rich says it all. We must get rid of everyone of these sociopaths. This party is no better than the Incas who believed in human sacrifices. Republicans believe in human sacrifices. They absolutely do. That fact is cannot be questioned.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:02 PM on 06/11/2009
- Ohsherri I'm a Fan of Ohsherri 108 fans permalink
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My best friend has had two children
She recieved pregnancy care right away....while she was pregnent...
and then giving birth at the hospital...
and then follow ups for herself and the new baby.

This is what its like for all moms.

Cost?

Covered by Canadian tax System....no bill...zero.

Oh and she gets to stay home for a year from work and her boss has to pay her MATERNITY LEAVE
(her pay)...AND he HAS to take her back after the year is up.
It's the law.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:51 PM on 06/11/2009
- rosal I'm a Fan of rosal 339 fans permalink
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I can attest to that; my best friend's sister who lives in Canada told me the exact same story when she had her baby.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:55 PM on 06/11/2009
- Ohsherri I'm a Fan of Ohsherri 108 fans permalink
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Same goes for my older sister.
She had two girls.
One almost after the other.
So she was at home for 2 years....getting paid on MATERNITY LEAVE.
And now she is back at work.
Happy.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:59 PM on 06/11/2009
- Bernique I'm a Fan of Bernique 48 fans permalink

same in France, Germany, Sweden, Ivory Coast, Japan.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:01 PM on 06/11/2009
- Ohsherri I'm a Fan of Ohsherri 108 fans permalink
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And yes she has had two children...so that means she has been off work on MATERNITY LEAVE (getting paid still) while being at home with her new babies for 2 years out of 5 years that she has been working at the dental office.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:57 PM on 06/11/2009
- ko2ko2 I'm a Fan of ko2ko2 2 fans permalink
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Sounds great, but doesn't that mean the "boss" is just going to raise prices on the goods and services he/she offers making the company much less competitive. And in some ways leading to the bankruptcy of the company.

I think the govt should be involved in health care, but I just think it should involve us as a country paying for it and not just only the "bosses"

Picture this for a moment:

Someone opens a company over time hires 5 people:
1 person gets pregnant the "boss" needs to hire an additional person while paying the other person for 1 year. Now a second person gets pregnant and the "boss" has to hire a second person to fill the job of the second pregnant person. Now the "boss" is paying for 7 people while only needing 5 people to run the company efficiently, putting the company at risk.

We all need to see all sides of a situation, how are things paid for, money doesn't just show up when asked from the "boss", either goes under or transfers those extra costs to the people using his goods and services

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:19 PM on 06/11/2009
- RachelMc I'm a Fan of RachelMc 78 fans permalink
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yeah i dont think laying up and spittin' out babies and making other ppl pay for it is coo'. my mother had my bro and took maternity leave and went back a yr after he was born. she was paid during her time but she earned it. i think 10+ years gives u that right. i dont think chics layin up pushing out babies should be paid when they didn't earn the time or anything else. i know ppl abuse the system and this is asking for trouble. hopefully there will be rules to protect companies from freeloaders not to sound mean but it is what it is.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:50 PM on 06/11/2009
- The Ghost I'm a Fan of The Ghost 47 fans permalink
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One would assume then a massive emigration of Canadian businesses to the US and a catastrophic wave of bankruptcy. . . except there is none. Looks like they're happy and profitable with the system just the way it is. Don't you just hate reality's liberal bias?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:01 PM on 06/11/2009
- Ohsherri I'm a Fan of Ohsherri 108 fans permalink
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LOL....ya...like that really happens! LMAO!!!!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:08 PM on 06/11/2009
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