Pakistan: Taliban Falling Out Of Public Favor

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PAUL ALEXANDER | 06/11/09 07:24 PM | AP

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FILE - This is file image from Friday, April 3, 2009, from mobile phone footage released by Dunya TV Channel, shows a woman in a body-covering burqa face down on the ground with two men holding her arms and feet and a third man whipping her backside. It could be the video that changed Pakistan, an instant icon that has come to represent the Taliban and an extreme form of Islam. The government is using the clip to ask its people if this is what they want; the answer from many Pakistanis is no. (AP Photo/Dunya TV Channel)

ISLAMABAD — The footage was chilling _ a woman crying out in pain, held face-down on the ground, as a man with a long beard flogged her in front of a crowd.

It could be the video that changed Pakistan.

That two-minute clip, purportedly shot in the Swat Valley where the Taliban held sway until a recent military offensive, has come to represent the militants and their extreme form of Islam. The footage is increasingly seen here as a turning point _ perhaps even more persuasive than all the bombings, beheadings and other violence, most recently Tuesday's suicide attack on a luxury hotel.

The circumstances of the beating are murky, no one is sure where exactly it happened, and the woman's identity remains unclear more than two months after the whipping was shown repeatedly on TV.

No matter. She remains irrevocably linked with the Taliban, an instant icon the government has used to ask Pakistanis if this is what they want for their country.

The answer from many seems to be no.

There are no scientific polls, but in informal interviews by The Associated Press with more than three dozen Pakistanis across the country Wednesday and Thursday, not a single person expressed sympathy or allegiance toward the Taliban. The most common answer was the militants should be hunted down and killed.

Many people told the AP they used to support the Taliban but no longer do so. The finding is supported by those of Pakistani analysts and commentators, who say they detect a similar shift in public opinion recently against the Taliban.

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Certainly, the militants retain some support, particularly in the lawless tribal regions bordering Afghanistan that the Taliban and al-Qaida have used as sanctuary. The extremists would likely retreat to these areas if they continue to suffer defeats elsewhere.

But the change in public mood is empowering the army in its offensive against the militants _ a campaign supported by the Obama administration, which believes security in Pakistan is vital to defeating the Taliban in neighboring Afghanistan.

Now the army says it has the Taliban on the run, helped by tips from residents in villages under fire. It's quite a change from several months ago, when the Taliban was on the march within 60 miles of the capital, Islamabad, and there was talk of the entire country falling to the militants.

"Like all of us, I was welcoming the Taliban in the beginning," said Abdul Jabbar Khan, a 52-year-old shopkeeper. Khan now lives with eight family members in a relief camp in Mardan, along the northwest border with Afghanistan. They said they were forced from their home by fighting in Mingora, Swat's biggest town.

"When Maulana Fazlullah started giving sermons on the radio, he was talking about good things _ heaven and Islamic teachings," Khan said, referring to the Taliban leader in Swat.

"Now we have the result," he continued. "It is very miserable, painful for all of us. We had a good life there. We had a good home and everything. Now we are begging for even daily meals. These people are responsible. They betrayed us and played with our religious emotions."

Nadeem Ahmad Awan, a 31-year-old bookseller in the southwestern city of Quetta, said the army should "kill each and every Taliban."

"No Taliban should go unharmed," agreed Asma Arshad, 23, a college student in the central city of Multan. "The killing of Taliban is good for Islam and it is good for Pakistan."

A majority of Pakistanis have always opposed Islamic extremists. Previous army offensives against the militants, however, have resulted in public backlashes as many people concluded the only way to end the bloodshed and destruction was for the weak central government to strike a deal with the extremists.

That may be changing.

"The mood has changed toward the Taliban even among those who had empathy with them," said Mahmood Shah, a retired military officer. "Now I don't think they can talk openly in favor of the Taliban. They will be stoned or something."

Attacks like Tuesday's bombing of the Pearl Continental hotel in Peshawar that killed at least nine people, including two U.N. workers, also have hardened people's resolve.

"I get the sense that setting off bombs on any civilian target in the North West Frontier Province _ particularly in a place like Peshawar, which might otherwise be a hotbed of support for the insurgency _ is fairly obviously a counterproductive strategy," Shah said.

The militants' efforts to expand their sway beyond Swat also appear to have been a miscalculation. Under a February peace deal signed with the government, they imposed sharia, or Islamic law _ the whipping in the video appeared to be punishment for an offense _ and have been accused of murders, rapes and pillaging.

Sufi Muhammad, an influential Taliban cleric, further stirred outrage with a speech in which he denounced democracy and elections _ an unpopular pronouncement in a country that recently has emerged from a decade of military rule.

When the Taliban advanced from Swat into the neighboring Buner district in April, the deal collapsed and the government sent the army to oust the militants from the region.

The rising public sentiment against the militants has played into the government's efforts to build support for offensives against the Taliban that started, with strong encouragement from Washington and other allies, in Swat and may yet head for tougher targets in the tribal areas of North and South Waziristan.

Sheik Maqsood, a 47-year-old social worker in Multan, said he used to like and respect the Taliban, but that over the years their atrocities in the tribal regions have changed his mind.

"These Taliban are unpopular to such an extent that not a single person is willing to utter even one word in their favor," Maqsood said.

The sea change in sentiment appears to have started with the video, said Mehdi Hasan, a journalism professor and political commentator.

The two-minute video, widely aired on local television in early April, shows the woman face down on the ground with two men holding her arms and feet. Her all-enveloping burqa has been hitched up to expose a pair of pink trousers.

A third man in a black turban with a long beard whips her backside more than a dozen times, causing her to scream repeatedly and shout "Stop it, stop it! It is painful!" A crowd of men watches silently in the background.

"After the flogging of the girl in Swat, the people of the country's mood changed," Hasan said. "Before that, the public attitude was apologetic and defensive because of the word Islam."

The Taliban's other actions had an impact, too.

"The militants were blasting saloons, destroying girls' schools. They were stopping women from coming out of their homes or going to the doctor," Hasan said. "People became fed up with this. They are reclaiming Islam. ... For the first time in Pakistan, they are taking a strong stand against the Taliban and the extremists."

Zahid Omar, 37, a local trader in the eastern city of Lahore, said people had been forced to see the Taliban's "ugly faces."

Zafar Hilaly, a former Pakistani ambassador, wrote in the influential daily The News that the Taliban's actions already have cost them any chance of destabilizing the government.

"They helped the public make up its mind," he wrote. "They helped the army do what it should have done much earlier, which was to fight. They encouraged parliament to acquire some spunk. Pakistan's victory in the present war against the Taliban is preordained for no other reason than the nation is finally united against the enemy."

The government has shown more savvy than in previous offensives against militants that left civilians dead. They appear to have been careful to avoid collateral damage as much as possible this time, though it's impossible to know for sure because the military has severely restricted access to the combat zones.

In addition, there has been a nearly monthlong pause in U.S. drone-fired missile strikes against militant targets near the Afghan border. Such strikes are unpopular in Pakistan, though U.S. officials say the lull was not timed to allow the government to build good will.

The Pakistani army _ whose reputation took a beating under former military leader Pervez Musharraf _ says it's succeeding in Swat partly because it has more public support. Many residents are now more helpful in tipping off security forces to Taliban presence, military officials say.

The military also quickly dispatched helicopter gunships to the Upper Dir region in support of a citizens' militia that sprang up after the bombing last week of a mosque that was blamed on the Taliban. Some similar efforts have foundered for lack of government support.

Still, critics say the Pakistani army does not have the will or ability to vanquish the militants, given its close links to extremist groups.

While the peace deal with the Taliban was widely criticized at the time as a capitulation, President Asif Ali Zardari says he signed off on it because he knew the militants would violate it and show their true colors.

The flogging and other Taliban actions seemed to resonate with Pakistanis because Swat is much more a part of the Pakistan they're familiar with than the tribal areas. People who live in Punjab have vacationed in Swat and gone there to honeymoon. The tribal areas, on the other hand, are like another planet.

The surge in support for the offensive still could end if the government fails to address the more than 2 million people displaced by the fighting or to hold Swat once it's cleared. Bringing law and order to that stretch of the northwest is critical to preventing the Taliban's re-emergence.

Residents in the troubled Bajur tribal region cursed the Taliban in interviews with the AP _ but also complained the government did nothing for them after a successful military operation last year against the Taliban.

When the militants were in power, "we were facing threats from the Taliban but at least we could still live in our homes," said Dost Mohammed, one of thousands who fled their town of Mamund during the fighting _ only to return to find their homes and crops destroyed.

Mohammed still favors army action against the Taliban. But he said that the government should help those who pay a heavy price for the war on terror.

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Associated Press writers Nahal Toosi, Kathy Gannon and Rohan Sullivan in Islamabad, Babar Dogar in Lahore, Abdul Sattar in Quetta, Khalid Tanveer in Multan, Riaz Khan in Mardan and Pamela Hess in Washington contributed to this report.

ISLAMABAD — The footage was chilling _ a woman crying out in pain, held face-down on the ground, as a man with a long beard flogged her in front of a crowd. It could be the video that changed P...
ISLAMABAD — The footage was chilling _ a woman crying out in pain, held face-down on the ground, as a man with a long beard flogged her in front of a crowd. It could be the video that changed P...
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- mamacat I'm a Fan of mamacat 132 fans permalink

All over the world, people are rejecting violent extremism. At least, I hope that is what is happening. Judging by the uptick in right-wing murder jobs in this country, I am not so sure. Politically the far right is out of a job, so now they are resorting to violence? This is not good. The government needs to do a better job of protecting us from these violent wackos.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:24 PM on 06/13/2009
- PSM42 I'm a Fan of PSM42 20 fans permalink
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"JUST THE FACTS, MA'AM"

"There are only two ways to win an insurgency" - Pepe Escobar - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1q0WU-o_KHc

Pepe Escobar - The Balkanization of Pakistan - Baluchistan is the ultimate prize - Asia Times - http://www.atimes.com/atimes/others/Escobar.html

Real News - search for 'Pepe', _not_ complete - http://therealnews.com/t/index.php

Peter Dale Scott with Tariq Ali and Michael Parenti - On US bases - China's reaction and US control of Pakistan via Zardari - @ 9:20

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RQ1TX-QwtGo

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:16 AM on 06/13/2009

Wow, so respect for human rights correlates strongly to military and strategic success and failure? Who would have thunk?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:19 PM on 06/12/2009
- lianmolive I'm a Fan of lianmolive 10 fans permalink

If the U.S. and Pakistan are smart, they will use the public's waning support of the Taliban to their advantage, such as continually showing Taliban's massacres thru media for example. Meanwhile it's in our best interest in keeping this support by not bombing civilians when there is a Taliban member in sight. That would and has worked against us.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:35 PM on 06/12/2009
- tippydog11 I'm a Fan of tippydog11 9 fans permalink

should of got this thing 8 years ago...instead of running to the wrong country...who has made us safer?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:58 AM on 06/12/2009
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Now if we could stop the predator drone attacks we might actually get this thing.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:55 AM on 06/12/2009
- JerryLevy I'm a Fan of JerryLevy 53 fans permalink
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The Taliban do not enjoy support from anyone other than the far left in American and European universities, the Saudis, and some of the media. They do get help from the people they terrorize and it is reported that this amounts to "support." You can't murder everyone who disagrees with your 8th century interpretation of your religion, outlaw music, and make women slaves but have support of the masses.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:37 AM on 06/12/2009
- lianmolive I'm a Fan of lianmolive 10 fans permalink

What is your evidence that the left supports the Taliban? This is news to me!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:28 PM on 06/12/2009
- MOregon I'm a Fan of MOregon 27 fans permalink

"They betrayed us and played with our religious emotions."

America sympathizes here too. Let us not be so jaded away from living in good faith though, but let it make us less self-centered, less bent on explicit adherence to codes and more self-sacrificing for the good of others.

I cannot wish for the explicit murder of the Taliban, but for the "velvet" kind that happens as they are marginalized in greater and greater degree by the lack of support and public reason/outcry from within their own people, especially. Could this finally be happening?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:57 AM on 06/12/2009
- TXfemmom I'm a Fan of TXfemmom 190 fans permalink

Hopefully, they can sustain the backlash against the Taliban. The United States and the West need to coordinate a relief in the form of food, medicine, clothing, and some temporary housing to make life better for the people who have been driven out due to the offensive. Make every red cent count, and don't let the government take any part in distributing it. Be efficient and get help to where it is needed.

Just wheat, flour, cooking oil, lentils, propane stoves for cooking, sturdy tents, and clean water can go a long way toward making the people much happier about their positions.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:13 PM on 06/11/2009
- bobdob I'm a Fan of bobdob 18 fans permalink

Right wing religious fanaticism seems to be falling out of favor worldwide.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:40 PM on 06/11/2009
- ThatOne4Me I'm a Fan of ThatOne4Me 4 fans permalink
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hopefully, it's time to grow up

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:42 PM on 06/11/2009
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Yes after Talibs got a good thrashing.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:52 PM on 06/11/2009
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Yes the GOP would love to bring in flogging or corporal punishment too if they could and have everyone dress alike and ban smiling and happiness.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:10 PM on 06/11/2009
- petera63 I'm a Fan of petera63 14 fans permalink
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"Corporal" punishment?! What's that?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:51 AM on 06/12/2009
- roshni I'm a Fan of roshni 161 fans permalink

So far so good. I am glad people are beginning to see the Taliban for what they are.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:35 PM on 06/11/2009
- Disdain I'm a Fan of Disdain 10 fans permalink
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Better late then never. But they sure took their sweet time reacting to the atrocities committed by this bunch of thugs.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:33 PM on 06/11/2009
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Well! They start reaping what they've sown, it seems. Not too late , yet, to learn the lesson.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:07 PM on 06/11/2009
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So, the Taliban used to be in the Pakistani public's favor? This is not the impression the maintream media has fed us in the last couple of years. We have consistently been told that the Taliban have no public support, that they are disconnected from the larger population.

If the Pakistan public once fed and sheltered the Taliban, what guarantee is there that the Taliban will not in future regain the place it is supposedly losing now? I've not seen enough evidence anywhere suggesting that political and social movements deeply entrenched in the public psyche ever permanently go away.

Spare us from the usual lies and propaganda from the battlefront of the so-called war on terror.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:00 PM on 06/11/2009
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I don't know where you used to get your news from, but I never read anything about the Taliban having no public support for the last 2 years. I keep up with Pakistani news and I know that up until about the time that Pervez Musharraf left office, the Taliban was not an issue in Pakistan. When Pervez Musharraf rule ended, the Taliban took the opportunity of a new weaker government to move deeper into Pakistan.

I think you are confusing Pakistan with Afghanistan.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:27 PM on 06/11/2009
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Getting all emotional about Taliban losses?
Don't worry, Talibs will run away to Afghanistan.
And will get the same warm reception from Afghans.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:43 PM on 06/11/2009
- adamnb I'm a Fan of adamnb 3 fans permalink

In guerrilla wars like these, you only win if the villagers take up the fight. That's the lesson of Iraq. It took three years to learn that's it's all about winning hearts and minds in these close quarter tribal battles.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:44 AM on 06/12/2009
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Let us hope that this backlash against the Taliban can be sustained.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:26 PM on 06/11/2009
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It appears to me that the world is getting tired of the Fundies, Muslim Fundies and Christian Fundies alike. I think this backlash has much more to grow... we have yet to feel our own backlash against the American terrorists who hide under the name of Christianity. It is bound to happen.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:30 PM on 06/11/2009
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