Iowa Woman Discovers New Cloud Type

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MICHAEL J. CRUMB | June 11, 2009 04:40 PM EST | AP

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This June 20, 2006 photo provided on Monday, June 8, 2009 and taken by Jane Wiggins from a downtown Cedar Rapids, Iowa office building shows what may become the first new cloud type to be recognized by scientists since 1951. (AP Photo/Jane Wiggins)

DES MOINES, Iowa — Looking out the 11th floor window of her law office, Jane Wiggins did a double take and grabbed her camera. The dark, undulating clouds hovering outside were unlike anything she'd seen before.

"It looked like Armageddon," said Wiggins, a paralegal and amateur photographer in Cedar Rapids, Iowa. "The shadows of the clouds, the lights and the darks, and the greenish-yellow backdrop. They seemed to change."

They dissipated within 15 minutes, but the photo Wiggins captured in June 2006 intrigued _ and stumped _ a group of dedicated weather watchers who now are pushing weather authorities to create a new cloud category, something that hasn't been done since 1951.

Breaking into the cloud family would require surviving layers of skeptical international review. Still, Gavin Pretor-Pinney and his England-based Cloud Appreciation Society are determined to establish a new variety. They've given Wiggins' photo and similar pictures taken in different parts of the world to experts in England, and are discussing the subject fervently online.

"They (the clouds) were the first ones that I noted of this type and I was unsure which category to put them under," said Pretor-Pinney, author of "The Cloudspotter's Guide." "When we put pictures up online we list the category, and I wasn't sure how to categorize it."

Some scientists are skeptical. They argue that researchers who have long watched the sky haven't seen anything distinctly new for decades.

There are three main groups of clouds: cumulous, cirrus and stratus. Each has various sub-classifications built on other details of the formation.

Brant Foote, a longtime scientist at the National Center for Atmospheric Research in Boulder, Colo., said the clouds photographed by Wiggins already fit into the existing cumulous classification.

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But Pretor-Pinney, who never studied meteorology, believes the clouds merit their own cumulus sub-classification. He proposes they be called altocumulus undulatus asperatus. The last word _ Latin for roughen or agitate _ is a reference to the clouds' undulating surface.

"Not necessarily gentle or steady, but quite violent-looking, turbulent, almost twisted in its appearance," he said.

The group has compiled several photographs documenting the formations from the billowy, rolling clouds shot by Wiggins in Iowa to ones from New Zealand that were much more menacing, hanging lava-like in the sky.

Foote said it would be "very unusual" for such a formation to be recognized as a new variety of cloud.

"People have been looking at clouds for hundreds of years and the general cloud classification is well defined," Foote said. "It's not as if someone discovered a new plant in the Amazon. It's what you've seen every day. There was no atmospheric condition that caused a new kind of cloud to form."

Pretor-Pinney is working with the Royal Meteorological Society in Reading, England, to prepare his case. If that group signs off, the proposal will go to the United Nation's World Meteorological Organization in Geneva.

Society executive director Paul Hardaker said a small panel within the society is gathering evidence to review. Their efforts include talking with those who took the submitted photos to determinine when, where and amid what weather they were taken. Hardaker said meteorologists tend to be skeptical of such proposals.

"We like to believe that just about everything that can be seen has been, but you do get caught once in a while with the odd, new, interesting thing," Hardaker said. "By this stage we think it's sufficiently interesting to explore it further and we're optimistic about the information we've got."

DES MOINES, Iowa — Looking out the 11th floor window of her law office, Jane Wiggins did a double take and grabbed her camera. The dark, undulating clouds hovering outside were unlike anything s...
DES MOINES, Iowa — Looking out the 11th floor window of her law office, Jane Wiggins did a double take and grabbed her camera. The dark, undulating clouds hovering outside were unlike anything s...
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- Phalanxman I'm a Fan of Phalanxman 21 fans permalink

They look like naked ladies to me!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:32 AM on 06/13/2009

I've looked at clouds from both sides now...

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:17 AM on 06/13/2009
- marcain I'm a Fan of marcain 6 fans permalink
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'clouds in my coffee, clouds in my coffee...'

a joni mitchel song and a carlie simon song.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:56 AM on 06/13/2009
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I know all about these clouds. I invented them and I hold the patent. If you even talk about them, you owe me money.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:10 AM on 06/13/2009
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What's your address, again??

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:00 PM on 06/14/2009

I'm a nerd and have seen clouds like this, they are simply low lying and spinning cumulous clouds that never turned into a tornado because the winds never were strong enough.
I had a weird event happen to me about twenty five years ago. After it stop raining, the area that I was in was so green , with color, I thought I was dreaming it. I never saw it so green before. I was watching tv and a weather man explained that after a hard rain sometimes, the droplets in the air, will high light certain colors in the area. I was near grass and trees, and green happen to be the color the droplets were emitting. I was in the green spectrum of lght, making green things appear even greener. It even has a name. But Of course it escapes me.
The clouds this women saw were real, but it doesn't make it a new event. It like seeing a water spout for the first time, it's just mind blowing, to see water doing thing, your not use to seeing, especially rising to the sky instead of falling.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:45 PM on 06/12/2009
- Goliadkin I'm a Fan of Goliadkin 18 fans permalink
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That is the Purkinje Effect.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:12 AM on 06/13/2009
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That's pretty cool, and you weren't on any mind altering substances? And if you saw the cloud I saw, you would have been impressed with it.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:01 PM on 06/14/2009

wow...slow day in science?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:45 PM on 06/12/2009
- Goliadkin I'm a Fan of Goliadkin 18 fans permalink
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“The most beautiful experience we can have is the mysterious. It is the fundamental emotion which stands at the cradle of true art and true science. Whosoever does not know it and can no longer wonder, no longer marvel, is as good as dead, and his eyes are dimmed.”—A­lbert Einstein

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:13 AM on 06/13/2009
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So true, and a fact that many can not appreciate this.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:02 PM on 06/14/2009
- MsCuda I'm a Fan of MsCuda 8 fans permalink
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OK, I just saw a better pic courtesy of "vetonow" and nope, those are not what I saw after all. But dang, they're cool!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:32 PM on 06/12/2009
- MsCuda I'm a Fan of MsCuda 8 fans permalink
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I've seen clouds like that. I've always called them "popcorn" clouds because they seem to "pop" downward in poofs. There is usually a related tornado watch. Seen one in Illinois around 1959 or so, during late May or early June (I was in grade school). The air turned absolutely green. Later, about 10 years ago in the Upper Peninsula over lake Superior, there were those roiling "popcorn" clouds and attendant severe weather watch.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:21 PM on 06/12/2009
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You ought to see the clouds behind my wife. That is definitely a category all by itself, and sometimes they are green, too, as I am after I get a whiff.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:12 AM on 06/13/2009
- lylo I'm a Fan of lylo 5 fans permalink

stupid article. the headline is misleading; it says outright that this is not classified as a new cloud type.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:06 PM on 06/12/2009
- JShankel I'm a Fan of JShankel 90 fans permalink
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Methinks 'tis like a weasel.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:55 PM on 06/12/2009
- chedar I'm a Fan of chedar 2 fans permalink

This is just the gay marriage storm I have been seeing commercials for.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:29 PM on 06/12/2009
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I have seen menacing clouds before.
http://technbiz.blogspot.com

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:39 PM on 06/12/2009
- learntofly I'm a Fan of learntofly 233 fans permalink
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That photo reminds me of a picture I took out of my office window several years back. It was when the end of the cloud cover of Hurricane Hugo was passing over. The clouds looked like that but they were almost entirely gray/black. There was a sharp edge to the clouds, then very bright blue sky.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:02 PM on 06/12/2009
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Google Asperatus Clouds... nothing new here.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:57 PM on 06/12/2009
- njb444 I'm a Fan of njb444 10 fans permalink
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Asperatus clouds are not officially a new category, scientists are currently debating whether or not they are a unique category.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:11 PM on 06/12/2009

I was there that day and I remember these clouds very very well. I am a huge cloud lover and I too have lots of pictures of these clouds. They were very different, very distinct. They looked like they were rolling - nothing like anything I had ever seen in my life before. I still have the photos and I am willing to send them to anyone who wants them. They are digital but not of great resolution and I was just looking at them the other day. They give me goose bumps when I look at them - it was like the Orsen Welles movie that day - kind of like 'What is going on in the sky?' but as a cloud lover I was - on cloud 9 or in heaven - either pun is intended. I just couldn't believe this day. I have been around many tornados and lots of gulf coast weather, even storms in LA with bolt lightenting (those from LA know this is kind of odd but not unheard of). But these strange Iowa clouds were very very interesting.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:52 PM on 06/12/2009
- Infostream I'm a Fan of Infostream 11 fans permalink
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Maybe consult some "experts" who have heard of more than 3 kinds of clouds? How about lenticular, mammatus, kelvin-helmholtz, nacreous,etc etc. Duh. As others have said this type of cloud is not "new", it's just not one everyone has agreed on a name for, "Asperatus" seems to be the consensus so far.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:39 PM on 06/12/2009
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