Judge Rules Terrorist Can Sue Bush Admin Lawyer Over Torture Memos

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DON THOMPSON | June 13, 2009 03:56 PM EST | AP

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SACRAMENTO, Calif. — A convicted terrorist can sue a former Bush administration lawyer for drafting the legal theories that led to his alleged torture, ruled a federal judge has ruled who said he was trying to balance a clash between war and the defense of personal freedoms.

The order by U.S. District Judge Jeffrey White of San Francisco is the first time a government lawyer has been held potentially liable for the abuse of detainees.

White refused to dismiss Jose Padilla's lawsuit against former senior Justice Department official John Yoo on Friday. Yoo wrote memos on interrogation, detention and presidential powers for the department's Office of Legal Counsel from 2001 to 2003.

Padilla, 38, is serving a 17-year sentence on terror charges. He claims he was tortured while being held nearly four years as a suspected terrorist.

White ruled Padilla may be able to prove that Yoo's memos "set in motion a series of events that resulted in the deprivation of Padilla's constitutional rights."

"Like any other government official, government lawyers are responsible for the foreseeable consequences of their conduct," wrote White, a Bush appointee.

Yoo did not return telephone and e-mail messages Saturday.

White ruled that Yoo, now a University of California at Berkeley law professor, went beyond the normal role of an attorney when he helped write the Bush administration's detention and torture policies, then drafted legal opinions to justify those policies.

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Yoo's recently released 2001 memo advised that the military could use "any means necessary" to hold terror suspects. A 2002 memo to then-White House Counsel Alberto Gonzales advised that treatment of suspected terrorists was torture only if it caused pain levels equivalent to "organ failure, impairment of bodily function or even death." Yoo also advised that the president might have the constitutional power to allow torturing enemy combatants.

"The issues raised by this case embody that ... tension _ between the requirements of war and the defense of the very freedoms that war seeks to protect," White wrote in his 42-page decision. "This lawsuit poses the question addressed by our founding fathers about how to strike the proper balance of fighting a war against terror, at home and abroad, and fighting a war using tactics of terror."

The ruling rejected the government's arguments that the courts are barred from examining top-level administration decisions in wartime, or that airing "allegations of unconstitutional treatment of an American citizen on American soil" would damage national security or foreign relations.

The Justice Department is representing Yoo and has argued for dismissing the lawsuit. The department has not said if it will appeal White's ruling. The department's on-duty spokesman, Dean Boyd, did not return a telephone message Saturday.

"It's a really a significant victory for accountability and our constitutional system of checks and balances," said Tahlia Townsend, an attorney with the Lowenstein International Human Rights Clinic at Yale Law School who represented Padilla.

White ruled that "the treatment we allege does violate the Constitution and John Yoo should have known that," Townsend said Saturday. "This is the first time there's been this sort of ruling."

Padilla is an American citizen who was arrested in Chicago in 2002 and accused of conspiring with al-Qaida to detonate a radioactive "dirty bomb."

He was held in a Navy brig in Charleston, S.C., for three years and eight months as an enemy combatant. Padilla's lawsuit alleges Yoo personally approved his time and treatment in the brig.

His lawsuit alleges he was illegally detained and was subjected to sleep deprivation, temperature extremes, painful stress positions, and extended periods of bright lights and total darkness. Padilla also alleges he endured threats that he would be killed, that his family would be harmed, and that he would be transferred to another country to be tortured.

He eventually was charged in an unrelated conspiracy to funnel money and supplies to Islamic extremist groups. Padilla was convicted in 2007 in Miami federal court, and is appealing.

SACRAMENTO, Calif. — A convicted terrorist can sue a former Bush administration lawyer for drafting the legal theories that led to his alleged torture, ruled a federal judge has ruled who said h...
SACRAMENTO, Calif. — A convicted terrorist can sue a former Bush administration lawyer for drafting the legal theories that led to his alleged torture, ruled a federal judge has ruled who said h...
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i will stand as a witness in the trials against George Bush for his policies.
http:/www.josieg6.wordpress.com
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    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:05 AM on 06/15/2009

When I was at law school at Hastings, we always admired (begrudgingly) the high standards of our sister school at UC Berkeley. How sad to think that the school's standards have sunk so low that they allow a person like Yoo to participate in training the next generation of lawyers.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:16 AM on 06/15/2009

EXXXXXXCEL­LLLENTTTTT­! Just EXCELLLLLENNNNT!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:08 PM on 06/14/2009
- factotem I'm a Fan of factotem 120 fans permalink
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It would be so awesome to see John Yoos st*pid face staring out from the witness box. AND so cool if powerbrokers get their feet held to the fire. God knows, Obama doesn't have the spine to pursue this stuff.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:51 PM on 06/14/2009
- AnnHiro I'm a Fan of AnnHiro 8 fans permalink
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That is wrong. President Obama will do the best thing for everyone and we should wait for him to do it. He has a careful plan.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:38 PM on 06/14/2009
- gkspapa I'm a Fan of gkspapa 3 fans permalink

We hope President Obama has plans to get the bush administration for their war crimes, and put them all in prison where they belong, so that they can no longer ruin our country and the world as they have before.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:59 PM on 06/14/2009

On trial, republicans always try to pretend they don't remember or they don't recall the details or some such nonsense.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:31 PM on 06/16/2009
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"Yoo's memos "set in motion a series of events that resulted in the deprivation of Padilla's constitutional rights."

"Like any other government official, government lawyers are responsible for the foreseeable consequences of their conduct," wrote White, a Bush appointee."

Reason enough for Obama to allow Attorney General Holder to aggressively prosecute all the Bush staffers who conspired to Torture or actually Ordered Torture.

Why hasn't Obama done this?

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    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:08 PM on 06/14/2009
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I will stand as a witness in the trials against George Bush for his policies.
http://www.josieg6.wordpress.com
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filling your jails with elderly greencard and asylum seekers is cruel and pointless, and it does NOT contribute to your homeland security. just to the jail town coffers...

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:07 AM on 06/15/2009
- Ramirez I'm a Fan of Ramirez 251 fans permalink
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Jose Padilla is like a rock star to the American Left. This might be just the issue they need to energize the "Arrest Bush" movement.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:53 PM on 06/14/2009

A rock star? Serious? I don't think so. He's a guy who was tortured so we feel sorry for him, but a rock star?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:32 PM on 06/16/2009

Ok, this is dumb. There was no waterbo arding. He was convicted by a US Court and sentenced to 17 years for terr orist support. The suit will be crushed.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:06 PM on 06/14/2009

They beat him up in jail. There are more ways to torture than just water-boarding.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:33 PM on 06/16/2009
- edwarvir I'm a Fan of edwarvir 36 fans permalink

Let's get it on.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:12 PM on 06/14/2009
- mphalen I'm a Fan of mphalen 10 fans permalink
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Nothing to see here. It will just be overturned by a higher court.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:09 AM on 06/14/2009
- gladys46 I'm a Fan of gladys46 214 fans permalink

Not so fast !!! The Supreme Ct. has already ruled against the Bush Admin. in much of this mess ! This particular case is key, I hope Padilla prevails here ... it will set more precedence for others so t or tured !


http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/06/12/AR2008061201695.html

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:37 AM on 06/14/2009
- valkyrie607 I'm a Fan of valkyrie607 102 fans permalink
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Translation: Ignore the steady erosion of your civil liberties. Sheep masquerading as Americans will cheer the authoritarians, just like mphalen.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:13 PM on 06/14/2009
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what we see here is that the lawyers just get richer as this farce continues...

I will stand as a witness in the trials against George Bush for his policies.
http://www.josieg6.wordpress.com
http://www.immigrationdetaineestories.wordpress.com

filling your jails with elderly greencard and asylum seekers is cruel and pointless, and it does NOT contribute to your homeland security. just to the jail town coffers...

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:08 AM on 06/15/2009
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tnkeating ~

You say: .. (among other things)...take no pity.

But following the rule of law is not taking pity. Padilla is/was an American citizen and no tie to 9 eleven could be found. What he was eventually charged with was funneling money. I, like you, believe that those that were/are responsible for t.er.r.or should be brought to justice. But justice should not include lawl.ess.ness. If that's the case we had 2 men over the past few weeks who committed t.er.r.or at a clinic and a museum that also should be treated that way.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:48 AM on 06/14/2009

Terror is an emotion, terrorism is a tactic. Using the word terror they way you have makes your comment sound like one of those juvenile statements the Bushies were always making.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:57 PM on 06/14/2009
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I will stand as a witness in the trials against George Bush for his policies.
http://www.josieg6.wordpress.com
http://www.immigrationdetaineestories.wordpress.com

filling your jails with elderly greencard and asylum seekers is cruel and pointless, and it does NOT contribute to your homeland security. just to the jail town coffers...

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:09 AM on 06/15/2009
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Any person who had "EIT" and has the medical records to disclaim GOV Officals should be awarded damages for the illegal and unconstitutional action that others created.

If any person is ever maimed marred kidnap or killed- all these actions are violations of United States Codes. No one has the legal right behave ( cruel and usual)

We all know the United States Gov. under those terms was wrong. It took couragous people to expose these documents. Now it is time to allow Judges to act in the roles appionted to the- Be Judical follow the evidence and follow the law.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:22 AM on 06/14/2009
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Call it what it is. Torture is the proper name for it. EIT is the cowardly name for it.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:48 PM on 06/14/2009
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Maybe you people didn't loose any family members to the attacks of 9-1-01, and probably you didn't have the gonads to go after the people that caused these attacks, any time I start to feel pity for these terrorist, I think back to the time of the attacks and remember the people I saw jumping from the upper floors because they were traped and they didn't want to burn to death. I have no pity for any terrorist who participated in the attacks or any future attacks. Take no prisoners, they won't take any.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:13 AM on 06/14/2009
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So all the surviving relatives of the innocents we have killed in Iraq and Afghanistan have the same rights?

Innocent children and women blown to bits and maimed by errant bombs and rockets fired from drones.

Love thine enemey

JC

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:53 AM on 06/14/2009
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I was lucky enough that no one that I directly knew died on 9/11, although it was still fairly traumatic for me as I had worked in that building and also commuted between NY and LA often so it kept running through my head that I could have been on one of those planes. We've gone through a revolution, a civil war, and two world wars and through all of them we've never sanctioned torture. I believe that this country stands for something worth defending. I would bet you are a Christian. Perhaps you have heard of this quote from Jesus: Matthew 25:31-45 "what so ever you do to the least of my brothers, that you do unto me." I.e., even terrorists have certain basic rights. Once we abandon these values and say that our enemies can be tortured, I know its a cliche but once we do that the terrorists have won because we've become no better than they are.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:25 AM on 06/14/2009
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Was that the repub Jesus or the real one who said that?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:15 PM on 06/14/2009
- gladys46 I'm a Fan of gladys46 214 fans permalink

The nation & the world grieved/grieves over that horrific day & those innocents lost ! Bush attacked the wrong people ... be disgusted & inraged with him for the person(s) who are responsible for America's losses being "still" free & mocking ... not other nation's innocents !!!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:45 AM on 06/14/2009
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So are you just as mad as Bushco about the clear warnings of the impending attacks

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:45 PM on 06/14/2009
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So because you felt upset and traumatized during 9/11, American soldiers should go ahead and torture anybody, even those who had no connections to those attacks?

I thought Americans were supposed to be tough. Instead we have people like you in power, who, given one taste of terrorism, promptly wet their pants and abandon every principle that defines this nation.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:16 PM on 06/14/2009

Well said!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:57 PM on 06/16/2009

I wonder how many people mr Padilla murdered before capture and how many more when he's released to the US with our money in his pocket?

Your eye if so off the ball, the terriorists are laughing themselves silly.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:55 AM on 06/14/2009
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If there was any evidence that he murdered anyone you wouldn't have to wonder.

Torture is no laughing matter. It's a war crime.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:53 PM on 06/14/2009
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He was only convicted of manslaughter once, in his youth. He beat a guy to death.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:26 PM on 06/14/2009

And what does that have to do with him becoming a patsy?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:58 PM on 06/16/2009

Padilla was "redefined" by the Bushies from American citizen to "enemy combatant" and deprived of habeas corpus. Whether he was convicted in a showtrial or not (and many believe he was), he was also deprived of his Constitutional rights (see Miranda warning). If "they" can do it to Padilla, they can do it to you. That's the point of his case, and on those grounds, I thank him and his lawyers.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:22 AM on 06/14/2009
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Yes, exactly.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:10 PM on 06/14/2009
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I started doing deductive reasonaing on the domestic spying ops and false information that lead this GOV into a Vortex of Hell. Accountabilty, Criminal, The ACLU has done wonder data collection on all this inception since 2002.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:51 AM on 06/14/2009
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