Judge Rules Terrorist Can Sue Bush Admin Lawyer Over Torture Memos

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DON THOMPSON | June 13, 2009 03:56 PM EST | AP

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SACRAMENTO, Calif. — A convicted terrorist can sue a former Bush administration lawyer for drafting the legal theories that led to his alleged torture, ruled a federal judge has ruled who said he was trying to balance a clash between war and the defense of personal freedoms.

The order by U.S. District Judge Jeffrey White of San Francisco is the first time a government lawyer has been held potentially liable for the abuse of detainees.

White refused to dismiss Jose Padilla's lawsuit against former senior Justice Department official John Yoo on Friday. Yoo wrote memos on interrogation, detention and presidential powers for the department's Office of Legal Counsel from 2001 to 2003.

Padilla, 38, is serving a 17-year sentence on terror charges. He claims he was tortured while being held nearly four years as a suspected terrorist.

White ruled Padilla may be able to prove that Yoo's memos "set in motion a series of events that resulted in the deprivation of Padilla's constitutional rights."

"Like any other government official, government lawyers are responsible for the foreseeable consequences of their conduct," wrote White, a Bush appointee.

Yoo did not return telephone and e-mail messages Saturday.

White ruled that Yoo, now a University of California at Berkeley law professor, went beyond the normal role of an attorney when he helped write the Bush administration's detention and torture policies, then drafted legal opinions to justify those policies.

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Yoo's recently released 2001 memo advised that the military could use "any means necessary" to hold terror suspects. A 2002 memo to then-White House Counsel Alberto Gonzales advised that treatment of suspected terrorists was torture only if it caused pain levels equivalent to "organ failure, impairment of bodily function or even death." Yoo also advised that the president might have the constitutional power to allow torturing enemy combatants.

"The issues raised by this case embody that ... tension _ between the requirements of war and the defense of the very freedoms that war seeks to protect," White wrote in his 42-page decision. "This lawsuit poses the question addressed by our founding fathers about how to strike the proper balance of fighting a war against terror, at home and abroad, and fighting a war using tactics of terror."

The ruling rejected the government's arguments that the courts are barred from examining top-level administration decisions in wartime, or that airing "allegations of unconstitutional treatment of an American citizen on American soil" would damage national security or foreign relations.

The Justice Department is representing Yoo and has argued for dismissing the lawsuit. The department has not said if it will appeal White's ruling. The department's on-duty spokesman, Dean Boyd, did not return a telephone message Saturday.

"It's a really a significant victory for accountability and our constitutional system of checks and balances," said Tahlia Townsend, an attorney with the Lowenstein International Human Rights Clinic at Yale Law School who represented Padilla.

White ruled that "the treatment we allege does violate the Constitution and John Yoo should have known that," Townsend said Saturday. "This is the first time there's been this sort of ruling."

Padilla is an American citizen who was arrested in Chicago in 2002 and accused of conspiring with al-Qaida to detonate a radioactive "dirty bomb."

He was held in a Navy brig in Charleston, S.C., for three years and eight months as an enemy combatant. Padilla's lawsuit alleges Yoo personally approved his time and treatment in the brig.

His lawsuit alleges he was illegally detained and was subjected to sleep deprivation, temperature extremes, painful stress positions, and extended periods of bright lights and total darkness. Padilla also alleges he endured threats that he would be killed, that his family would be harmed, and that he would be transferred to another country to be tortured.

He eventually was charged in an unrelated conspiracy to funnel money and supplies to Islamic extremist groups. Padilla was convicted in 2007 in Miami federal court, and is appealing.

SACRAMENTO, Calif. — A convicted terrorist can sue a former Bush administration lawyer for drafting the legal theories that led to his alleged torture, ruled a federal judge has ruled who said h...
SACRAMENTO, Calif. — A convicted terrorist can sue a former Bush administration lawyer for drafting the legal theories that led to his alleged torture, ruled a federal judge has ruled who said h...
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- tippydog11 I'm a Fan of tippydog11 9 fans permalink

I pray for our good that justice will be served and truth will all come out....

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:45 AM on 06/14/2009
- tompoe I'm a Fan of tompoe 20 fans permalink

A war based on lies, is by definition, an invasion and occupation. The government's argument fails as miserably as our free market system. Yoo is not entitled to be called an attorney. Yoo is a war criminal. He needs to sign in at the World Criminal Court and be brought to justice.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:33 AM on 06/14/2009
- aztecdiva I'm a Fan of aztecdiva 5 fans permalink
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Why on earth is Yoo still a professor at Berkeley. He should have been dismissed or put on leave and have his legal license revoked. This is ridiculous.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:58 AM on 06/14/2009
- JoeSchmuk I'm a Fan of JoeSchmuk 14 fans permalink

gotta feeling he would have fit right in with the National Socialist German Workers Party back in the day, found a way to justify the concentration camp policies.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:59 AM on 06/14/2009
- Tim303 I'm a Fan of Tim303 88 fans permalink
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That rightie who just talked about dirty bombs wasn't locked away in a navy brig was he? Whatever Padilla did, it wasn't right to drive him insane.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:20 AM on 06/14/2009
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Take out your chequebook Yoo

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:03 AM on 06/14/2009
- VOTER I'm a Fan of VOTER 175 fans permalink
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Hope ORANGE is his favorite color too.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:10 AM on 06/14/2009

You left out that they also tortured bambi and the easter bunny.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:41 AM on 06/14/2009
- fisher65 I'm a Fan of fisher65 5 fans permalink

b.ush and c.heney destroyed everything and everyone

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:46 AM on 06/14/2009

What insight.
I think they may have took out Bambi and the Easter bunny also.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:49 AM on 06/14/2009
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I wanna see Yoo in court, trying to 'defend' how he got a whole gov't to stoop to the levels we saw the Bush crew do, in our name.

If / when he stone walls telling who ordered him to assemble his masterpiece, he gets treated with the procedures he "crafted" (yes, waterboarding, and all other "enhanced" interrogations) till he spills out the beans on who was behind him (cheney that is...)

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:26 AM on 06/14/2009
- IslandGyal I'm a Fan of IslandGyal 49 fans permalink
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Unfortunately, the Obama administration is heading down the same road as the booooosh one. President Obama, because of this, as much as I like you, I am open to voting for someone else in 2012.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:44 AM on 06/14/2009

Good God - he has only been in office 5 months. He haven't do everything at once. Ye of little faith. Go ahead and vote for someone else in 2012 - I'm sure you won't be happy with them either.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:09 AM on 06/14/2009
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I know this one is an American but I hope our men and women over in Afganistan and Iraq now just pull the trigger from here on out. That will stop the possiblity of torture, the need for trials, and a place to put them. End of story.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:13 AM on 06/14/2009
- Tommygun264 I'm a Fan of Tommygun264 202 fans permalink
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Rather than resorting to one war crime (slaughtering everything that moves) to avoid committing the war crime of torture, how about we obey the rule of law and just not torture? Apprehension and prosecution through due process has worked for America for over two centuries against the strongest and most evil of foes. The thing about basic human rights is that they apply to everyone at all times, not just to whom we deem worthy and when it is convenient. This case only proves the fact that forsaking the basic principles upon which this country was founded for short-term gain is cowardly and ultimately causes more harm to this country than good.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:55 AM on 06/14/2009
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If he could understand this language he would not post the stuff he does... Quite a sorry state!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:04 AM on 06/14/2009
- ljc I'm a Fan of ljc 110 fans permalink

You are one sick puppy.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:15 AM on 06/14/2009
- gifu I'm a Fan of gifu 14 fans permalink

F$#% You.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:38 AM on 06/14/2009

No, F$#% Yoo.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:54 AM on 06/14/2009
- ObamAtomic I'm a Fan of ObamAtomic 145 fans permalink
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If men and women act the way you want,they will violating the law.
End of your story.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:19 AM on 06/14/2009

If our servicemen and women did what you suggest, it would not be the "end of story". Don't you ever wonder why we have so many of our soldiers and marines returning with PTSD and some commiting suicide? The horrors of killing people never go away for most humans. If they resort to deciding to murder detainees, some of them will never recover. So the "end of story" could become a long living nightmare for the one pulling the trigger. Or, it could be their own personal death sentence when they get their heads clear, and realize what they have done.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:30 AM on 06/14/2009
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I hope somehow the victims of terror can attach to the lawsuit and take the money away from him if he is awarded a penny.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:03 AM on 06/14/2009
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Let me agree with you. So given that Cheney & bush are a whole loooooot more criminal than pedilla (let's assume they ever see the light of day in a court of law - Yes the US constitution upholding kind of law) and if pedilla is found to be the victim (to whatever degree small or huge) of their ill-conceived torture scams, oops sorry, their "enhanced interrogation" he should be awarded any 'damage' money he could extract. Ok then. Agreed. So try bush & cheney first and then let's do as you preach :)

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:51 AM on 06/14/2009
- ObamAtomic I'm a Fan of ObamAtomic 145 fans permalink
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Pedilla broke the lawney,Bush,Chenney and others too.

Understanding you do know what you are talking about,the *attachment* you are claiming
is not available as you stated,Pedilla is suing for torture,the rest is a legalize of *mumble Jumbo*

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:14 AM on 06/14/2009
- ObamAtomic I'm a Fan of ObamAtomic 145 fans permalink
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Pedilla broke the law,Bush,Chenney and others too.

Understanding you do know what you are talking about,the *attachment*
you are claiming is not available as you stated,Pedilla is suing for torture,the rest is a legalize of *mumble Jumbo*

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:31 AM on 06/14/2009
- Ishmael1 I'm a Fan of Ishmael1 16 fans permalink
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Robert Bolt wrote it much more eloquently than I, From "A Man For All Seasons":

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WMqReTJkjjg

I give the Devil benefit of Law for MY OWN SAFETY'S SAKE.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:10 AM on 06/14/2009
- D-V-H I'm a Fan of D-V-H 384 fans permalink
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This is great news for those that wish to see our country return to the equal rule of law.

Justifying secrecy over "concerns" about how some act may be perceived is just not right. Perhaps they should have thought about those concerns BEFORE they authorized and did it.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:05 AM on 06/14/2009
- dems08 I'm a Fan of dems08 182 fans permalink
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How soon does Padilla file his lawsuit against yoo?

Yesterday isn't soon enough.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:50 AM on 06/14/2009
- Ping I'm a Fan of Ping 63 fans permalink

Government did its duty. They do not need to appeal. And I see Padilla being released eventually and filing a monster lawsuit against the government. Blame Bush.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:19 AM on 06/14/2009
- WmC I'm a Fan of WmC 16 fans permalink

"Like any other government official, government lawyers are responsible for the foreseeable consequences of their conduct," wrote White, a Bush appointee.

Amen.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:42 PM on 06/13/2009

When the next attack happens because of the apparent neutering of the American grit and determination, I hope all of you don't come running to those of us who still have a pair to protect and save you.

And don't bother responding with some smart comment on how this is actually good for America. Because you will all see Obama suddenly think force and might is a good thing. Heck, he has already started to look that way.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:13 PM on 06/13/2009
- Sweetbay I'm a Fan of Sweetbay 145 fans permalink
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I have no idea what you are trying to convey. You have made conflicting statements (I think).

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:34 PM on 06/13/2009

He lives in San Diego and thinks
only white people should live there.
That's what he mad about.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:37 PM on 06/13/2009
- sviolette I'm a Fan of sviolette 82 fans permalink
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We never needed to commit war crimes to protect the American people before 2001 or since 2004. It is a lame argument to say we needed it between 2001 and 2004 to protect America. There is no evidence that torture protected us from any threat. To defend war criminals makes you as bad as the criminals.

It doesn't matter who is president today. Torture is illegal even if you think it's OK. You may think it's manley to torture people but I happen to think that it's cowardly to torture people.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:41 PM on 06/13/2009

Really?

So all those protests during Vietnam were, what? Fake? For no good reason?

Where were you when Clinton lobbed a few bombs during the issues surrounding Iraq and Kosovo during his tenure? Ws Bush 1 completely in the right for Operation Desert storm?

In every war there are wrongs, don't kid yourself. But to assume that we should do everything the same each time, or be passive, is absurd. We have enemies within our own borders and enemies that feel the need to attack us here and abroad. And like it or not, the techniques you describe as torture will always be used. Just wait until they happen on Obama's watch. Know why they are used? Because you cannot reason with some people, and even people like Obama realize that.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:44 AM on 06/14/2009
- elcerritan I'm a Fan of elcerritan 13 fans permalink
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The guy who has "a pair" is Judge White for making this tough ruling, even though I'm sure he knew it would be controversial and would be attacked by people like you, who only PRETEND to care about the Constitution -- but don't actually know anything about it.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:58 PM on 06/13/2009

Ok. Mr. Constitution expert. Explain where I am wrong. I cannot wait to here this. My guess is I never hear from you, you respond asking me to prove I am right instead of backing your assertions, or someone else answers for you, and they are wrong.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:45 AM on 06/14/2009
- dlinguist I'm a Fan of dlinguist 10 fans permalink
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To many of us the definition of freedom and justice is not in how a state treats the common man and woman... but how it treats the most marginalized. Justice and fairness are not defined by how the law abiding and accepting masses are treated, but rather how those who oppose and contravent the system are treated. Ultimately­.. I do care how we treat terrorists and criminals. Until Bush, they were given the courtesy of the legal system.. for if that system is worth its salt, it is enough.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:21 AM on 06/14/2009
- RRG64 I'm a Fan of RRG64 51 fans permalink
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the next attack? lmao

You have a better chance of getting struck by lightning as long as Cheney & Rumsfeld
aren`t running War Games on the American people.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:44 AM on 06/14/2009
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Padilla an American-

Rochin V California-
The Supreme Court case that ruled to "shock the conscience" unconstitutional

Bybee and Yoo are criminally culpabilty for these act

Then the agents that acted in the crimes

These cases will happen what can change the course for the future by having Judges play the active roles that the Bush Admin stole DUE PROCESS...­..forensic­s

checks and balances

I want to see these roles for even make precedent in Posse Comitatus violations, as well as the abuse of powers State and Federal law Enforcement abuse information or aka intel.

Accountibility through Punitives.­....

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:56 PM on 06/13/2009
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