Judge Rules Terrorist Can Sue Bush Admin Lawyer Over Torture Memos

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DON THOMPSON | June 13, 2009 03:56 PM EST | AP

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SACRAMENTO, Calif. — A convicted terrorist can sue a former Bush administration lawyer for drafting the legal theories that led to his alleged torture, ruled a federal judge has ruled who said he was trying to balance a clash between war and the defense of personal freedoms.

The order by U.S. District Judge Jeffrey White of San Francisco is the first time a government lawyer has been held potentially liable for the abuse of detainees.

White refused to dismiss Jose Padilla's lawsuit against former senior Justice Department official John Yoo on Friday. Yoo wrote memos on interrogation, detention and presidential powers for the department's Office of Legal Counsel from 2001 to 2003.

Padilla, 38, is serving a 17-year sentence on terror charges. He claims he was tortured while being held nearly four years as a suspected terrorist.

White ruled Padilla may be able to prove that Yoo's memos "set in motion a series of events that resulted in the deprivation of Padilla's constitutional rights."

"Like any other government official, government lawyers are responsible for the foreseeable consequences of their conduct," wrote White, a Bush appointee.

Yoo did not return telephone and e-mail messages Saturday.

White ruled that Yoo, now a University of California at Berkeley law professor, went beyond the normal role of an attorney when he helped write the Bush administration's detention and torture policies, then drafted legal opinions to justify those policies.

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Yoo's recently released 2001 memo advised that the military could use "any means necessary" to hold terror suspects. A 2002 memo to then-White House Counsel Alberto Gonzales advised that treatment of suspected terrorists was torture only if it caused pain levels equivalent to "organ failure, impairment of bodily function or even death." Yoo also advised that the president might have the constitutional power to allow torturing enemy combatants.

"The issues raised by this case embody that ... tension _ between the requirements of war and the defense of the very freedoms that war seeks to protect," White wrote in his 42-page decision. "This lawsuit poses the question addressed by our founding fathers about how to strike the proper balance of fighting a war against terror, at home and abroad, and fighting a war using tactics of terror."

The ruling rejected the government's arguments that the courts are barred from examining top-level administration decisions in wartime, or that airing "allegations of unconstitutional treatment of an American citizen on American soil" would damage national security or foreign relations.

The Justice Department is representing Yoo and has argued for dismissing the lawsuit. The department has not said if it will appeal White's ruling. The department's on-duty spokesman, Dean Boyd, did not return a telephone message Saturday.

"It's a really a significant victory for accountability and our constitutional system of checks and balances," said Tahlia Townsend, an attorney with the Lowenstein International Human Rights Clinic at Yale Law School who represented Padilla.

White ruled that "the treatment we allege does violate the Constitution and John Yoo should have known that," Townsend said Saturday. "This is the first time there's been this sort of ruling."

Padilla is an American citizen who was arrested in Chicago in 2002 and accused of conspiring with al-Qaida to detonate a radioactive "dirty bomb."

He was held in a Navy brig in Charleston, S.C., for three years and eight months as an enemy combatant. Padilla's lawsuit alleges Yoo personally approved his time and treatment in the brig.

His lawsuit alleges he was illegally detained and was subjected to sleep deprivation, temperature extremes, painful stress positions, and extended periods of bright lights and total darkness. Padilla also alleges he endured threats that he would be killed, that his family would be harmed, and that he would be transferred to another country to be tortured.

He eventually was charged in an unrelated conspiracy to funnel money and supplies to Islamic extremist groups. Padilla was convicted in 2007 in Miami federal court, and is appealing.

SACRAMENTO, Calif. — A convicted terrorist can sue a former Bush administration lawyer for drafting the legal theories that led to his alleged torture, ruled a federal judge has ruled who said h...
SACRAMENTO, Calif. — A convicted terrorist can sue a former Bush administration lawyer for drafting the legal theories that led to his alleged torture, ruled a federal judge has ruled who said h...
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Yay.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:45 PM on 06/13/2009
- naschkatze I'm a Fan of naschkatze 95 fans permalink

I think each and every one of these suits are going to be challenged all the way up to the Supreme Court. As Michael Isikoff said on Rachel Madow's program, this has turned into trench warfare between the Obama administration and those fighting for the Constitution.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:42 PM on 06/13/2009
- Yermammy I'm a Fan of Yermammy 137 fans permalink
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Obama is fully protecting Bush's crimes. I'm afraid he's on the other side in this instance.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:45 PM on 06/13/2009
- johnr49 I'm a Fan of johnr49 81 fans permalink

Possibly, or maybe he's waiting until the call for action is so strong that even the GOP leaders can't ignore it.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:48 PM on 06/13/2009

Presidents are not prosecutors. Leave your government civics.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:20 PM on 06/13/2009
- Solja I'm a Fan of Solja 117 fans permalink
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Isikoff is wrong. Many of us think that the President is always one step ahead, and that he wanted to let these different rulings play out in a court of law so that no other administration could do it in the future. These rulings are setting prescedent for future case law and the Professor of Constitutional Law, Obama, knows this full well.

It's politics and the POTUS wants these laws to be etched in concrete forever. Some of us actually get that.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:55 PM on 06/13/2009
- legalgirl I'm a Fan of legalgirl 21 fans permalink
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Right, yes. That way, it's not political, it's judicial--Supreme Court judicial--which means it's precedent. That's important because legal precedents tend to outlast even changes in the judicial personality of the Supreme Court. Obama is playing 11th level chess -- not Bush/Cheney/Rice/Rumsfeld stupid checks, where they get caught, tried and convicted of just about everything you can think of. IMHO, of course.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:33 PM on 06/13/2009
- LITU I'm a Fan of LITU 106 fans permalink
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The problem I have with that rationale is that the SCOTUS, the ultimate destination of any lawsuit, will probably NOT rule in favor of the plaintiff/s, and therefore, the guilty (by any reasonable standard) will get off Scot free, as usual.

Nothing will destroy this country like two standards of the law, which is pretty much what we have had for a very long time.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:17 PM on 06/13/2009
- helonias I'm a Fan of helonias 258 fans permalink
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What the father of our country thought about treating the enemy

Fischer writes that leaders in both the Continental Congress and the Continental Army resolved that the War of Independence would be conducted with a respect for human rights. This was all the more extraordinary because these courtesies were not reciprocated by King George's armies. Indeed, the British conducted a deliberate campaign of atrocities against American soldiers and civilians. While Americans extended quarter to combatants as a matter of right and treated their prisoners with humanity, British regulars and German mercenaries were threatened by their own officers with severe punishment if they showed mercy to a surrendering American soldier. Captured Americans were tortured, starved and cruelly maltreated aboard prison ships.

Washington decided to behave differently. After capturing 1,000 Hessians in the Battle of Trenton, he ordered that enemy prisoners be treated with the same rights for which our young nation was fighting. In an order covering prisoners taken in the Battle of Princeton, Washington wrote: "Treat them with humanity, and let them have no reason to Complain of our Copying the brutal example of the British Army in their treatment of our unfortunate brethren…. Provide everything necessary for them on the road."

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:41 PM on 06/13/2009
- LITU I'm a Fan of LITU 106 fans permalink
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Also I believe we should bear in mind that Washington was the least political of any president. He was an extraordinary man, and IMHO no one in that high office has ever matched his humanity.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:41 PM on 06/13/2009
- Frenbar I'm a Fan of Frenbar 30 fans permalink
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According to Yoo, these techniques are perfectly legal and humane, so let's use them on Yoo to see what he knows. Then after a few years of this, we can decide if he deserves a trial.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:20 PM on 06/13/2009
- Yermammy I'm a Fan of Yermammy 137 fans permalink
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How about 7 years before we even think about giving him a trial. Seems fair to be, considering.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:41 PM on 06/13/2009

Sounds right . . . I'll go for the seven years BEFORE we think about a trial . . . and maybe we can "re-patriotate" him to China????

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:17 PM on 06/13/2009
- gatogato I'm a Fan of gatogato 59 fans permalink
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This is how the Bushies screwed up so royally. If they would have brought this guy to court without all the frat boy from hell torture he would stay in jail where he should have been all along. He is a longtime gangbanger turned terrorist. If the last administration followed the rule of law we wouldn't have to hear from this piece of garbage anymore.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:10 PM on 06/13/2009
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THE RULING WILL ENTANGLE THE THREE HEAV Y WEIGHTS (BUSH+DICK CHENEY
+RAMSFELD). TO-DAY, TOMORROW OR DAY AFTER WILL HAVE THEIR PUNISHMENT FOR THEIR
CRIME S COMMITTED DURING THEIR TENURE IN OFFICE. THE TIME IS CLOSING AND THE FIRST IS THIS RULING.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:08 PM on 06/13/2009
- Wiseronenow I'm a Fan of Wiseronenow 111 fans permalink
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Lot's of folks have been too quick to denounce Obama about all this, but let's not forget he is a constitutional lawyer and may just want the courts to proceed as they rightfully can.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:03 PM on 06/13/2009
- Solja I'm a Fan of Solja 117 fans permalink
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You're correct. He wants the laws out of the shade and into the bright sunlight where every future administration knows, without a doubt, that WE DO NOT TORTURE. He is letting it all play out to set a precedent so it cannot happen again, even if there is another dumb a$$ Yoo writing the opinions.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:58 PM on 06/13/2009
- sparkey I'm a Fan of sparkey 10 fans permalink
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Just wondering how soon Padilla will meet with an unfortunate accident.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:00 PM on 06/13/2009

Best stay off short air flights to and from court . . . .

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:20 PM on 06/13/2009
- flacon I'm a Fan of flacon 11 fans permalink

Another ruling from the ninth circuit. America's judicial loons. Sure to be reversed.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:46 PM on 06/13/2009
- elcerritan I'm a Fan of elcerritan 15 fans permalink
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Well, the District Court in which the decision was made is within the Ninth Circuit's territory, but it's not a Ninth Circuit decision. It has yet to to go the Ninth Circuit, assuming it's appealed, which it may not be, so don't hold your breath for a reversal any time soon (if ever), Mr. "Legal Expert" (not).

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:36 PM on 06/13/2009
- ljc I'm a Fan of ljc 127 fans permalink

So you admit that Judge Bybee of the infamous "Bybee memos" is a judical loon since he is currently a lifetime appointment by George W. Bush to the ninth circuit court ???? Ha!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:55 AM on 06/14/2009

The judge should be impeached immediately. What an awful, awful ruling.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:37 PM on 06/13/2009
- johnr49 I'm a Fan of johnr49 81 fans permalink

These pesky judges that try to uphold the Constitution!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:40 PM on 06/13/2009
- elcerritan I'm a Fan of elcerritan 15 fans permalink
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Impeached? On what grounds? Because he issued a ruling you don't agree with? That shows what YOU know (or, more accurately, DON'T know) about either impeachment or the judicial process.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:40 PM on 06/13/2009
- johnr49 I'm a Fan of johnr49 81 fans permalink

You hit the nail right on the head. The Republican guide to the judicial process:

Judge issues a ruling you like = good, solid judge, strict constructionalist, etc.

Judge issues a ruling you don't like = activist judge, legislating from the bench, etc.

(Of course, you first have to ignore the fact that Bush v. Gore was the most blatant example of judicial activism in a long time, and that Roberts, Alito and Scalia, in particular, are very empathetic towards big business.)

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:06 PM on 06/13/2009
- Solja I'm a Fan of Solja 117 fans permalink
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Sure, it would take a Republican to want a judge impeached for FOLLOWING THE LAW.

You look totally stupid right about now.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:02 PM on 06/13/2009
- jsgaetano I'm a Fan of jsgaetano 216 fans permalink
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An "Activist Judge" is one who rules against whatever conservatives want them to say.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:35 PM on 06/13/2009

Bush/Cheney should have been impeached -- they were the ones who made the awful, awful torture policy!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:38 PM on 06/13/2009
- kbkw54 I'm a Fan of kbkw54 57 fans permalink

Ridiculous.!!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:34 PM on 06/13/2009
- VOTER I'm a Fan of VOTER 186 fans permalink
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I know!

The judge should have sentenced Bush's lawyer to death without
any appeals, jury and court hearing.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:10 PM on 06/13/2009
- Solja I'm a Fan of Solja 117 fans permalink
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LOL! Not without water boarding him and putting caterpillars in his drawers in a pitch black room!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:03 PM on 06/13/2009
- TJCole I'm a Fan of TJCole 167 fans permalink
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Why not Bush and especially Cheney along with Yoo..?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:19 PM on 06/13/2009
- gcallaghan I'm a Fan of gcallaghan 52 fans permalink
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patience...this path will lead us there eventually

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:48 PM on 06/13/2009
- Solja I'm a Fan of Solja 117 fans permalink
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I definitely think so too!

This is why Obama wants everything to take its course in the courts, to set precedence for the future Bush's & Cheney's!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:04 PM on 06/13/2009
- jordan3189 I'm a Fan of jordan3189 20 fans permalink

Who couldn't see this coming, oh yeah, all the liberals blinded by hate. What a can of worms this opens up. Good job liberals, you deal with it.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:16 PM on 06/13/2009
- gcallaghan I'm a Fan of gcallaghan 52 fans permalink
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Ain't it a shame that Yoo couldn't see it coming? People tortured because he said it was legal despite what the constitution says? Relying on presidential powers which don't exist to protect him?
LMFAO

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:11 PM on 06/13/2009

Guess Yoo was not quite the legal "visionary" he thought . . . the Constitution DOES EXIST.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:28 PM on 06/13/2009

Believe me -- we're happy about this -- and maybe next time, they will stop and think about the benefit they are giving these people by violating the law and their constitutional rights -- Padilla is an American, so he has all of the constitutional rights that you have!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:40 PM on 06/13/2009
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Torture, they must be referring to the enhanced interrogation techniques. If it were torture Rumslefd, Cheney and Bush ought be going to prison, right?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:14 PM on 06/13/2009
- elcerritan I'm a Fan of elcerritan 15 fans permalink
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Don't rule that out yet, bubba.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:37 PM on 06/13/2009

Gotta grease the skids and chum the waters . . . to mix a few metaphors . . .

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:29 PM on 06/13/2009
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