Hearing to air VA mistakes with hospital equipment

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BILL POOVEY | June 14, 2009 03:44 PM EST | AP

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CHATTANOOGA, Tenn. — A congressional panel is pressing the Department of Veterans Affairs to disclose on Tuesday whether non-sterile equipment that may have exposed 10,000 veterans to HIV and other infections was isolated to three Southeast hospitals or is part of a wider problem.

"Somebody is going to have to take responsibility," said U.S. Rep. Phil Roe of Tennessee, the ranking Republican on the House Committee on Veterans' Affairs' oversight and investigation subcommittee.

The subcommittee scheduled Tuesday's hearing in Washington to discuss mistakes involving endoscopic equipment used for colonoscopies and other procedures at its hospitals in Miami, Murfreesboro, Tenn., and Augusta, Ga. with top agency officials and to receive a yet-unreleased report by the VA's inspector general.

Roe said he had not yet seen the report but was told in a briefing Friday that the VA's inspector general conducted a random check on 42 VA locations.

VA officials have said problems discovered at more than a dozen other VA facilities did

not warrant follow-up blood tests for patients. Roe, who is a private physician, has questions about whether the problems were isolated to three hospitals or were more widespread.

"I think this was an institutional breakdown," Roe said.

The VA since February has been warning about 10,000 former patients, some who had colonoscopies as long ago as 2003, to get blood tests for HIV and hepatitis.

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The VA's chief patient safety officer, Dr. Jim Bagian, has said no one will ever know if the patients with HIV and hepatitis were infected because of improperly operated or cleaned endoscopic equipment used in colonoscopies at Murfreesboro and Miami _ and to treat patients at the VA's ear, nose and throat clinic in Augusta. Bagian has also said all the mistakes were human error.

As of Friday, the VA reported that six veterans taking the follow-up blood checks tested positive for HIV, 34 tested positive for hepatitis C and 13 tested positive for hepatitis B. All but 724 affected patients have been notified of test results.

VA spokeswoman Katie Roberts did not respond to repeated requests for comment Thursday and Friday.

The initial discovery of an equipment mistake at Murfreesboro led to a nationwide safety "step-up" by the VA at its 153 medical centers. Since then, the VA says the problems have been discussed with staff at all VA hospitals and with representatives of the equipment manufacturer, Olympus American.

Roe said he believes the VA has been open and trying to keep former patients and the public informed since discovering the mistakes in December. "These people did not intentionally do anything wrong," he said.

That is not always the case when private-sector hospitals discover mistakes, according to Barbara Rudolph, director of The Leapfrog Group, which promotes quality health care.

She said private hospitals also have spread infectious diseases with non-sterile equipment, but requirements on reporting such problems vary by state and there's no national regulation requiring disclosure.

"Some hospitals have become very open and have made a commitment to be transparent about things like that," she said. "There are a number of hospitals who would not have gone as far as the VA has gone."

Michael Sheppard, a Nashville lawyer who represents dozens of veterans among the affected VA patients, wrote in a June 3 letter to the committee that it was "hard to describe the upheaval and injury this has caused innocent veterans."

"Some no longer trust or have confidence in the VA medical facilities and feel betrayed, misled and ill-informed," Sheppard wrote, adding others may avoid colonoscopies for fear of HIV or other infections.

A spokesman for the American Society for Gastrointestinal Endoscopy, Dr. David A. Greenwald, said in a telephone interview from the Montefiore Medical Center in New York that although the VA patients recently tested positive, they could have had the viruses for years _ and before the VA treated them _ without showing symptoms.

Greenwald said the positive tests for HIV and hepatitis C reported by the VA are far below the frequency of positive tests reported from studies of other groups of veterans. He said the same is likely true of the hepatitis B cases.

"Probably all of the infections that are being reported are infections people already had," Greenwald said.

Megan Longenderfer, a spokeswoman for Olympus America, said from the equipment maker's vantage point the VA "has been diligent and transparent in its investigation and corrective action."

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this is a sad story

Get Well to all who are sick !!

are health care industry in this country is not nor has been number one for a long time !!

time to change !!!!!! that no more should any one profit from our sick brothers and sisters

I no the V.A. is under funded but this is down right criminal !! to infect maybe a healthy person
with some thing deadly is ridiculous in a country who prides it self on being number one in every thing

it seems we have fallen down and can not get back up to that number one spot

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:36 AM on 06/15/2009
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Just another item for the long list of obligations that the government has failed to uphold for these individuals. It is little wonder why the suicide rate is so high?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:38 AM on 06/15/2009
- sueno I'm a Fan of sueno 13 fans permalink

This is a travesty!
The whole system needs to be shaken up
including getting rid of the sub-par staff
that have for years been miss-treating military people.
At this day and age, it's crazy for something like this to happen.
Where is the supervision??
The people responsible should be prosecuted-

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:28 AM on 06/15/2009
- Okieborn I'm a Fan of Okieborn 63 fans permalink

How Very Sad !!
The Veterans of this country are treated like the citizenry !!!
Second and third class !!!!!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:02 AM on 06/15/2009

When will Vets get the "best care, anywhere!" they so richly deserve?
The administration hasn't had much to say about doing better by these brave men and women.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:32 AM on 06/15/2009

How many days in office? Seems to me 2003 was Junior's watch.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:13 AM on 06/15/2009
- Gatorboy I'm a Fan of Gatorboy 6 fans permalink

Did you even read the article?

"Roe said he believes the VA has been open and trying to keep former patients and the public informed since discovering the mistakes in December. "

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:43 AM on 06/15/2009
- sprtakis69 I'm a Fan of sprtakis69 19 fans permalink
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And Greenwald said:


"Probably all of the infections that are being reported are infections people already had,"

Which is probably true. Too many people in straight society don't get tested because they think they're not prone to becoming HIV+. Too many bi-sexuals don't get tested and carry the desease to both the gay and straight community.

I don't think any of my nieces or nephews have been tested and they don't even talk about it because they're straight.


Myself and many of my fellow gay friends get tested every 6 months, I can't say that's true for all gay men, but for many it is something we do often.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:11 AM on 06/15/2009
- realpolitic I'm a Fan of realpolitic 149 fans permalink

It is tough being in the U.S. armed forces. If the electrical wiring in showers in Iraq doesn't kill you, later the VA will.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:23 AM on 06/15/2009
- Gatormouth I'm a Fan of Gatormouth 22 fans permalink
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Bumper sticker: "Outsourcing Kills".

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:58 AM on 06/15/2009
- sprtakis69 I'm a Fan of sprtakis69 19 fans permalink
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As a 20 year Vet I have to say that's not fair! Above, Rudulph said:

"private hospitals also have spread infectious diseases with non-sterile equipment, but requirements on reporting such problems vary by state and there's no national regulation requiring disclosure­."

They said the VA is going far beyond what the private sector would do.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:15 AM on 06/15/2009
- ramal I'm a Fan of ramal 70 fans permalink
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I was a nurse in the VA Hospital System, the whole thing needs to be shut down. Veterans would receive better, safer health care and the government would pay less if they simply gave all Veterans a health insurance policy for life and paid the premiums and deductibles.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:19 AM on 06/15/2009
- hulagirrrl I'm a Fan of hulagirrrl 40 fans permalink
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I agree with you ramal, and it would be cheaper.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:48 AM on 06/15/2009
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the honchos are lying, just read the facts here...and compare.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:57 AM on 06/15/2009
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All but 724???? were notified?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:54 AM on 06/15/2009
- TXfemmom I'm a Fan of TXfemmom 192 fans permalink

I have never, ever felt that the equipment used in endoscopies could ever really be safe. It takes a long time and a lot of diligence to clean the equipment properly, and then a long time to sterilize it, and the clinics, hospitals, and other facilities push the cases too quickly and don't have enough of the equipment to properly sterilize the stuff between cases. I gave anesthesia and sedation for them for many years and fought with staff constantly about whether they had really cleaned things.

I have to have a colonoscopy and am now disabled with a genetic immunodeficiency and just the thought of it makes me cringe. As a former medical professional, the endoscopist has agreed that I shall be first in the morning, that the room shall be cleaned from top to bottom, along with all equipment in it, and that the endoscopy equipment will be cleaned in a most detailed manner and sterilization done in the same manner. I can assure you that following cases shall not receive that much consideration. It all boils down to greed in these cases, and or laziness or a combination of both.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:45 AM on 06/15/2009
- hotseat I'm a Fan of hotseat 19 fans permalink
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TMI.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:51 AM on 06/15/2009
- MikeHermit I'm a Fan of MikeHermit 43 fans permalink
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Nothing is too much information when it comes to health and safety. The more information the better.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:54 AM on 06/15/2009
- Gatormouth I'm a Fan of Gatormouth 22 fans permalink
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Someone please tell me if you know, does the VA subcontract or outsource for the involved materials or procedures? Just a hunch.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:36 AM on 06/15/2009
- in4success I'm a Fan of in4success 43 fans permalink

the south? down there with all those patriots who "support the troops?"

man --- can you imagine the manufactured outrage if this happened in a "librul" part of the country?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:41 PM on 06/14/2009

A lot of Viet Nam vets were diagnosed with Hep C and the source of infection was possibly the air jet injections The V A turns down most of these claims. Good luck to the newly infected as far as getting the VA to accept responsibility.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:24 PM on 06/14/2009
- aznurse I'm a Fan of aznurse 55 fans permalink

I wonder if this will get as much coverage as the Palin/Letternan slight.
MSM has their priorities straight.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:17 PM on 06/14/2009
- KayDGee I'm a Fan of KayDGee 32 fans permalink
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Good point - It's pretty low billing on ths website.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:18 PM on 06/14/2009
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Way to support those troops> Can someone get me a bumper sticker?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:02 PM on 06/14/2009
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