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First Posted: 06-16-09 09:29 AM   |   Updated: 07-17-09 05:12 AM

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The Obama administration has denied requests from both reporters and government watchdogs to reveal the names of White House guests, echoing Bush administration policy.

MSNBC.com reports that their attempt to get visitor logs was denied:

The Obama administration is arguing that the White House visitor logs are presidential records -- not Secret Service agency records, which would be subject to the Freedom of Information Act. The administration ought to be able to hold secret meetings in the White House, "such as an elected official interviewing for an administration position or an ambassador coming for a discussion on issues that would affect international negotiations," said Obama spokesman Ben LaBolt.


These same arguments, made by the Bush administration, were rejected twice by a federal judge. The visitor logs are created by the Secret Service and maintained by the Secret Service, U.S. District Judge Royce Lamberth ruled in 2007 and again this January. CREW had requested records of visits to the Bush White House, as well as the residence of Vice President Dick Cheney, by leaders of Religious Right organizations.

Citizens for Responsibility and Ethics in Washington, a nonpartisan watchdog focused on special interests, was also rebuffed.

CREW sought records of visits by top coal executives in an effort to learn the extent to which these individuals may have influenced the administration's energy policy. Taking the exact same position as the Bush administration, the Obama administration claimed the records are presidential, not agency records, and otherwise exempt in their entirety because of the possibility in some instances they could reveal information protected by the presidential communications privilege. In prior litigation U.S. District Court Judge Royce Lamberth agreed with CREW that the records are agency records that must be disclosed under the FOIA.

The group is filing a complaint against the Department of Homeland Security.

We are deeply disappointed," CREW attorney Anne L. Weismann told MSNBC, "that the Obama administration is following the same anti-transparency policy as the Bush administration when it comes to White House visitor records. Refusing to let the public know who visits the White House is not the action of a pro-transparency, pro-accountability administration."

President Bush fought for years to keep White House visitor logs private, arguing that they should fall under the presidential communications privilege. In January of this year a judge rejected that argument.

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- hilary916 I'm a Fan of hilary916 36 fans permalink
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Unless you're obsessed with the President or just looking for opportunities to turn something into a controversy, I don't understand the public need for the list of visitors.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:51 PM on 06/16/2009
- Yermammy I'm a Fan of Yermammy 137 fans permalink
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Because every President before Bush had to do it and then they decided the Constitution was "just a damned piece of paper". Apparently, Barack thinks the same thing. Secrecy is what dictators and emperors do, NOT democratically elected politicians. You want to give up your freedoms, fine. Go back to your soaps or whatever. Some of us actually LIKE our civil rights and rights to a transparent and open government.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:55 PM on 06/16/2009
- rich misty I'm a Fan of rich misty 1041 fans permalink
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What year do you think this is? Do you think Obama is like every other President before Bush?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:00 PM on 06/16/2009
- hilary916 I'm a Fan of hilary916 36 fans permalink
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You don't need to be snide by telling me to go back to my soaps or whatever. Am I not allowed to state my opinion like you are? Tell me, what are you hoping to see when looking at a visitor's list for the Obama White House?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:01 PM on 06/16/2009
- wdw505 I'm a Fan of wdw505 78 fans permalink

agreed.....he should release the list now

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:41 PM on 06/16/2009
- wdw505 I'm a Fan of wdw505 78 fans permalink

the public has the right to know with whom the president speaks......as they could influence him

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:39 PM on 06/16/2009
- rich misty I'm a Fan of rich misty 1041 fans permalink
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http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&safe=off&rlz=1G1GGLQ_ENUS331&q=obama+assassination+threats&aq=f&oq=&aqi=

This is the reason I do not want a list of vulnerable guests of the White House to be released into the hands of right wing Republican extremists.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:41 PM on 06/16/2009
- rich misty I'm a Fan of rich misty 1041 fans permalink
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Yermammy : That makes you a supreme hypocrite then. You are also supporting a war criminal protector, because that's what Barack's doing right now.
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I know what is actually going on... And you do not.

I do not want the President of the United States of America rolling around in GOP torture sexcrime goo. It will inflame and already severely inflamed GOP base of heavily armed right wing extremists who will open fire.

The Bush Adminstration War Crimes case has already been assigned to a very competetent Judge with documented experience in International Law. I am completely satisfied this is getting all the attention it needs at this point.

http://www.newyorker.com/talk/2009/04/13/090413ta_talk_mayer

I am reposting this link ^ by author Jane Mayer for the THIRD TIME SINCE YOU HAVE BEEN HERE.

http://www.amazon.com/Dark-Side-Inside-Terror-American/dp/0385526393

I have also done some checking on my own... And there are people on this behind the scenes BIG TIME.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:16 PM on 06/16/2009
- Yermammy I'm a Fan of Yermammy 137 fans permalink
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Bush does it = BAD!
Obama does it = REALLY SWELL!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:20 PM on 06/16/2009
- rich misty I'm a Fan of rich misty 1041 fans permalink
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That is how I know you are in fact a neocon.

You parrot their precise talking points.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:21 PM on 06/16/2009
- Yermammy I'm a Fan of Yermammy 137 fans permalink
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"I fully support spying on criminal Republicans."
You quoted me, but you left out what I was replying too (above). Makes more sense when you tell the whole truth.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:26 PM on 06/16/2009
- rich misty I'm a Fan of rich misty 1041 fans permalink
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Now what are you blathering about?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:29 PM on 06/16/2009

misty does not do truth, she/he finds it icky and quite uncomfortable. Proaganda is so warm and fuzzy.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:45 PM on 06/16/2009
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I believe you, because if something were not happening - and I mean more than Obama's public statements - on the torture investigation front, Dick Cheney would not be appearing on TV more in 2 months than he did in 8 years, and making his daughter shill for him.

Let's hope truth is uncovered and justice is done.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:49 PM on 06/16/2009

the object of your obs ession does not even see the atro cities as cri m es, to them they are but mere "policy diffe rences", but of course you knew that already, right?

Hold er Says He Will Not Permit the Cri mina liz ation of Policy Differ ences
http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/Story?id=7410267&page=1

http://firedoglake.com/2009/04/26/sunday-late-nite-criminalizing-policy-differences/

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:07 AM on 06/17/2009
- TJCole I'm a Fan of TJCole 197 fans permalink
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Why not just add a Goldman Sachs / Bilderberg Group Wing, then they won't have to be logged as visitors, after all they're really running the place...

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:13 PM on 06/16/2009
- Yermammy I'm a Fan of Yermammy 137 fans permalink
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You can't be sarcastic with the cheerleaders. They're too busy waving their pom poms cheering his every bad (and illegal) move. Here's a rendition of your typical ranting apologist-
http://i713.photobucket.com/albums/ww138/Napewaste/WintrollPB.jpg

You can't convince sheep their master might be straying from the rule of law. They're blind, you see...

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:17 PM on 06/16/2009
- rich misty I'm a Fan of rich misty 1041 fans permalink
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FLAPPDOODLE: I love it here. Everybody is so nice.
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Do you even know what the flapdoodle was even? Research it.

http://www.thedailybeast.com/blogs-and-stories/2009-06-14/attack-of-the-zombie-republicans

Warning: Zombies Attacking

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bVnfyradCPY

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:06 PM on 06/16/2009

I'm sure you're right.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:13 PM on 06/16/2009

His supporters must be very disappointed. I wonder what he is hiding by doing this?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:52 PM on 06/16/2009
- rich misty I'm a Fan of rich misty 1041 fans permalink
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Another Zombie attacks.... "moaaaaan"

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:54 PM on 06/16/2009

I love it here. Everybody is so nice.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:00 PM on 06/16/2009
- jmpurser I'm a Fan of jmpurser 211 fans permalink

That would be the question.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:54 PM on 06/16/2009
- Yermammy I'm a Fan of Yermammy 137 fans permalink
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The mere fact he's doing it is the problem. This is the secrecy that the Bush administration brought to the White House. He said it'd be different, but I don't see it. Then again, he said he'd filibuster FISA but you know how THAT turned out.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:57 PM on 06/16/2009
- rich misty I'm a Fan of rich misty 1041 fans permalink
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I fully support spying on criminal Republicans.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:58 PM on 06/16/2009

O prefers his transparency in the dark. That way you have to take word for it that it exists.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:47 PM on 06/16/2009

Obama will eventually crush all of this pathetic dissent. He won, he has the power and he will use it. Support him or leave the country. If we are lucky, he can suspend the Constitution and be President for life.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:46 PM on 06/16/2009
- rich misty I'm a Fan of rich misty 1041 fans permalink
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We are not there yet, but when the time comes, I may consider supporting a change in the Constitutional Amendment limiting the President to two terms in office.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:49 PM on 06/16/2009
- Yermammy I'm a Fan of Yermammy 137 fans permalink
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He was being sarcastic. You're just lame.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:50 PM on 06/16/2009
- Yermammy I'm a Fan of Yermammy 137 fans permalink
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Ha Ha! Good one. The cheerleaders here won't get it. I did.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:49 PM on 06/16/2009
- rich misty I'm a Fan of rich misty 1041 fans permalink
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Because you are one of them.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:51 PM on 06/16/2009
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Yet another disenchantment with Obama. He mimics Bush on matters of transparency, yet isn't tough like Bush when it comes to pushing his agenda.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:46 PM on 06/16/2009
- Yermammy I'm a Fan of Yermammy 137 fans permalink
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Agreed. All the bad qualities but none of the balls.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:48 PM on 06/16/2009
- rich misty I'm a Fan of rich misty 1041 fans permalink
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Bush talked to God, and his cult followers marched like the Zombies they are.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:50 PM on 06/16/2009
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Obama also has a cult. The Shepard Farely poster evokes Stalin and Mao in its monumentallty. And this concerned me before the election.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:00 PM on 06/16/2009

and now you and those like you are doing the EXACT same leading the band for O. Thats what makes it's so laughable and so worthy of ridicule.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:28 AM on 06/17/2009
- Beowoof I'm a Fan of Beowoof 10 fans permalink

Yes, we all know have difficult it is to pass tax cuts to the wealthy and give aways to military contractors. Tough sell for Bush/Cheney eh? He sure fixed social security in that "jam it down the throat of congress" way only GW knew.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:02 PM on 06/16/2009
- Jazzier I'm a Fan of Jazzier 2 fans permalink

...and OBAMA is "jamming down the throats of congress" and the Ameican public a tripled deficit, a massive unread stimulus plan that's not working, escalated war in Afghanistan causing chaos and violence in Pakistan, an unemployment rate of an unbelievable near 10%, government-run banks, government & union-run auto industry, Obama-controlled media, unconstitutional czars without congressional approval, absolute secrecy on returned TARP money, how much, where..............the list goes on!

and the Obama robots, nod in approval while the country slips into what Obama learned best....an Alinsky type of government....Marxism!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:41 PM on 06/17/2009

It's a new day! Turn away from the old and ring in the new! Transparency! Open doors! The White House - by the people for the people!

Sing with me now, Obamabots: Yes we can! Yes we can!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:44 PM on 06/16/2009

well at least you gave us a warning. Attack away.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:30 AM on 06/17/2009
- Yermammy I'm a Fan of Yermammy 137 fans permalink
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The Obamabots don't want transparency, you see. They are in full throat support of this unDemocratic secrecy. I'm a Liberal Democrat, but I'm not a sucker. Rare quality nowadays, it seems.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:46 PM on 06/16/2009
- rich misty I'm a Fan of rich misty 1041 fans permalink
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I agree that secrecy is not good for Democracy. I also realize that there is a clear and present danger of violence against this adminstration.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:53 PM on 06/16/2009
- jmpurser I'm a Fan of jmpurser 211 fans permalink

It has been quite disturbing to see the same pattern of obscene excuses that the bush fans used show up in actual Democrats. At first I thought it was right wing trolls faking being Obama fans but I've come to the sad conclusion that we have the same sickness in the Democratic party.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:53 PM on 06/16/2009
- Yermammy I'm a Fan of Yermammy 137 fans permalink
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This is just one more bad move by President Obama in mimicking the secretive and criminal Bush legacy. Signing statements, NO habeas corpus @ Bagram AFB, ignoring a Judge's order to reveal photos (that Bush complied with, btw), state's secrets privilege invoked to throw out ENTIRE court cases of wiretapping and rendition, and signaled he will sign the hyper secretive Graham- Lieberman Bill, his DOJ is fighting release of torture memos of CIA torture tapes (the 92 that were destroyed) and people wonder why we are getting mad? Barack is protecting Bush with all of his might. Word.
And no matter how much you close your eyes and hold your ears, THAT'S the way it IS. So, drop the pom poms and start criticizing or you're definitely looking at a one termer. Guaranteed.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:41 PM on 06/16/2009
- rich misty I'm a Fan of rich misty 1041 fans permalink
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You are completely, and deliberately ignoring the fact that War Crimes have already been assigned to a NON-PARTISAN Judge.

Why?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:43 PM on 06/16/2009
- Yermammy I'm a Fan of Yermammy 137 fans permalink
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You called me a neocon. Why?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:47 PM on 06/16/2009

"Part of the change that’s desperately needed is to enlist the American people in the process of self-government. One of the areas that I have constantly worked on is not only pushing aside the special interests--this past year, passing the toughest ethics reform legislation since Watergate--but also making sure that the government is transparent and accountable. That’s what I think people were responding to in Iowa. They want somebody who’s talking straight to them about the choices that are ahead. They want to make sure that government is responding to them directly, because folks out there feel the American dream is slipping away. They are working harder for less. They are paying more for health care, for college, for gas at the pump. They are having a tougher time saving and retiring. What they don’t feel is that the government is listening to them and responding to them. That’s the kind of change that I think we need."

-Barack Obama

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:36 PM on 06/16/2009
- rich misty I'm a Fan of rich misty 1041 fans permalink
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Now show me the quote where Obama said he was going to be weak on National Security and open up government for terr0rists attacks.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:41 PM on 06/16/2009
- Yermammy I'm a Fan of Yermammy 137 fans permalink
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God, you are reaching now. This isn't going to look good on your resume :)

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:42 PM on 06/16/2009
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How long has the man been in office, five months?

God Obama just won't win with some people! I guess we truly deserve another incompetent Republican at the switch since we can't even trust a man whom we worked so hard to get into office for five months, let alone a four year term!

And we wonder why the Republicans always come back into power and kick our butts!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:33 PM on 06/16/2009
- rich misty I'm a Fan of rich misty 1041 fans permalink
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Fortunately... The vast majority of Americans have learned their lesson finally. The GOP has turned itself into a cult of Zombies.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:38 PM on 06/16/2009

Yes. That's true. No Republican will ever be elected again in the country--espeically when they see how well you guys do. I'm always so impressed by how un-zombie-like you are.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:10 PM on 06/16/2009

so being a O zombie is a improvement?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:06 PM on 06/16/2009
- jmpurser I'm a Fan of jmpurser 211 fans permalink

They come back into power when people give up on Democrats. It's going to happen quickly this cycle I think.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:58 PM on 06/16/2009
- johnsonc20 I'm a Fan of johnsonc20 40 fans permalink
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Are people actually defending this on Huffpost? This was Cheney's secret energy meetings excuse from the beginning of W's first term! Remember - when he was meeting with Enron and other upright citizens? Obama is doing a very predictable thing - consolidating the power of the Imperial Presidency. This is dangerous to our republican (small r) form of government, people. We need accountability and transparency, things that Obama promised but is reneging upon.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:25 PM on 06/16/2009
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When did Obama promise UNLIMITED transparency?

And Obama is not Bush or C.heney!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:28 PM on 06/16/2009
- Yermammy I'm a Fan of Yermammy 137 fans permalink
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WOWEE! Sis! Boom! Bah! GOOOOOOOOoooooooooo BARACK! Yea for our team! We may be doing the EXACT SAME THINGS BUSH DID, but we're the Blue Team! Yea!

You're too funny!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:34 PM on 06/16/2009

it's just that his incredible impression of them confuses people.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:08 PM on 06/16/2009
- rich misty I'm a Fan of rich misty 1041 fans permalink
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Obama is not Bush. I know, because Republicans hate Obama.

http://www.republicanoffenders.com/Abramoff.html

We knew for a fact Bush was meeting with felons because the White House photog inadvertently released Oval Office photos.

http://images.google.com/images?source=ig&hl=en&rlz=1G1GGLQ_ENUS331&q=bush%20abramoff&um=1&ie=UTF-8&sa=N&tab=wi

SAFE SEARCH IS OFF

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:28 PM on 06/16/2009
- Beowoof I'm a Fan of Beowoof 10 fans permalink

How about a detailed report every time he uses the bathroom?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:29 PM on 06/16/2009
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Win!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:31 PM on 06/16/2009
- Yermammy I'm a Fan of Yermammy 137 fans permalink
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You're going to find it hard to move around from all the pom poms the silly apologists are leaving here! I know, huh! The SAME ABUSES by Bush are now cheered by the tribalists. As is said in Star Wars "So this is how democracy ends... by thunderous applause". These fruit bats actually think they're helping matters by defending this secrecy, yet would have howled if Bush had did it... oh wait... he DID, DIDN'T he! LOL!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:31 PM on 06/16/2009
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Obama is not Bush, get over it already!

I guess you really do want President Gingrich and Vice President Romney in 2012, don't you sport?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:34 PM on 06/16/2009
- rich misty I'm a Fan of rich misty 1041 fans permalink
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The Obama adminstration has received a record number of de.ath threats. These threats come from organized cells of heavily armed extremists.

I am not going to support handing them a list of people who are close to the President, because I know, and I understand, these people are de.adly serious.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:35 PM on 06/16/2009
- greg32 I'm a Fan of greg32 15 fans permalink

Anyone defending this now is a hypocrite, look what their comments were on this very site back when the same story broke, except it was Bush...

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/04/21/bush-administration-in-co_n_97733.html

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:11 PM on 06/16/2009
- rich misty I'm a Fan of rich misty 1041 fans permalink
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Yermammy is desperate to release a list of vulnerable people directly into the hands of a cult who say their flying bullets are protected under the First Amendment.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:20 PM on 06/16/2009
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He's a neocon, period, he is dismissing us who disagree with him just like the neocons dismissed us who disagreed with Bush.

Talk about cynical.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:21 PM on 06/16/2009
- rich misty I'm a Fan of rich misty 1041 fans permalink
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His position of altruism is precisely designed to hurt Americans.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:25 PM on 06/16/2009

anyone looking for a marvelous example of "projection" please see the above. Lor dy lo rdy!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:14 PM on 06/16/2009
- Yermammy I'm a Fan of Yermammy 137 fans permalink
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Ha Ha Hee! You've gone from being a goofy apologist to a comedien! Protecting bad policies just makes you resemble a dumb farm animal. This is NOT the change we were promised. No matter how much you think you're protecting him, you're NOT. You're just EXCUSING his abuses of transparency! ha Ha HA! :O :)

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:26 PM on 06/16/2009
- rich misty I'm a Fan of rich misty 1041 fans permalink
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Yermammy: That's a pathetic excuse all dictators use. Grow up, please.
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Talk to Dr. Tiller's family... Or the guards at the Holocaust Museum.

http://www.examiner.com/x-4317-Denver-Roman-Catholic-Examiner~y2009m6d9-Pastor-who-prayed-for-Tillers-death-now-

prays-for-death-of-the-president

^ Pastor Drake was a Prayer Warrior for Operation Rescue

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0GeXVKb2hbM

Bush also talked to God, and Republicans acted on his prayers too:

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2005/oct/07/iraq.usa

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:11 PM on 06/16/2009
- Yermammy I'm a Fan of Yermammy 137 fans permalink
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I'm not falling for the sensationalism most sheep do. There's over 320 million people in this country. Do the math, sparky. More people get hit by lightning and die from snake bite. I don't scare easily. It's a shame you and our President do.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:15 PM on 06/16/2009

My dear you have the blind loyaliy that dictators pray for. Without your personality type there would be no dictators,,ever.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:22 PM on 06/16/2009
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