House Democrats "Anxious To Take On" Health Care Reform Opponents

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First Posted: 06-19-09 04:25 PM   |   Updated: 06-19-09 04:46 PM

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The Democratic Party showed on Friday what it's capable of when led by the majority of its members rather than its conservative wing. In stark contrast to Senate Democrats, who spent the week backpedaling on reform, unified House Democrats unveiled a draft health care overhaul bill jointly endorsed by three powerful committee chairmen.

Henry Waxman, Charlie Rangel and George Miller, chairs of the Energy & Commerce, Ways & Means and Education & Labor Committees, announced the result of six months of negotiations. The sight of three united committee chairmen in the turf-conscious House is a historically rare one.

Where the Senate Finance Committee's outline of a bill didn't include a public health insurance option for people to buy into, the House version includes a robust public plan that would operate nationally and compete with private insurers on a level playing field to keep them honest.

The public plan would be self-sustaining and not subsidized by the federal government, although an upfront infusion of capital would be needed. It would initially be tied to Medicare reimbursement rates, to capitalize on the existing infrastructure, but would evolve into a separate plan that paid higher rates. Participation by doctors would be voluntary.

Rangel described the public plan as "the best of Medicaid, best of Medicare, then kick it up a notch." The chairmen estimated the plan would cover 95 percent of Americans.

While the Senate has cowered from the debate over a public option in the face of Republican and conservative Democratic opposition, Rangel said he relishes the battle.

"I'm anxious to take on those people who oppose a public option," he said. He'll have public opinion on his side. A recent poll showed 3 out of 4 people want a public plan as part of health care reform. "We've got the momentum."

Waxman told the Huffington Post after the press conference that the public plan is "essential," when asked if reform was possible without it. "I think it's essential to the reform as outlined by the president and as the three congressional committees have set forth. I'm not gonna say nothing's off the table, because we have a lot of ideas on the table that many of us don't agree with. But from my point of view, I think it makes the health care system work to have competition, which means public choice for those who are seeking health coverage."

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And, said Miller, it's what the president, who was elected in a landslide, campaigned on. The draft, he said, tries to "put language to what President Obama campaigned on in front of the American people."

Conservative Democrats in the Senate, however, have sided with the insurance industry, which put out a statement against the House plan while the press conference was still going on.

"We understand. We've read all the different positions in the Senate," said Miller. "We've had discussions back and forth, but we continue to believe this is an important, important component of real health care reform."

The three committees will hold hearings on the bill next week, with the hope of bringing it to the floor the week after the July 4th recess.

Senate Democrats have been set back by higher-than-expected cost estimates that have come back from the Congressional Budget Office, although the Senate plans were submitted without the public option, which is intended to reduce costs in the long run.

The House version will be expensive. It includes an effort to close the so-called "doughnut hole" in Medicare prescription drug coverage, which would be costly but would go a long way toward obtaining the support of seniors, who are less inclined to back a public option, according to a recent poll. They already have a public plan.

Doctors, too, get a wet kiss in the plan from Democrats, a proposal to permanently fix the "sustainable growth rate" payment system. The current public reimbursement system requires doctors to continuously lobby Congress to prevent automatic rate cuts. Members of Congress fill their coffers as a result of that lobbying and have never let the threat of a rate cut take effect. So, in effect, permanently fixing it won't cost more money but the budget office, which pretends the fix won't be made each year, will count it as an expensive provision. (Got that?)

The move by the House Friday was an effort to reassert itself. "I'm only speaking for the House. We feel very good about this," Miller told HuffPost after the presser.

Waxman dismissed the Senate fumbling. "I'm not getting alarmed by the legislative process," he said. "The Senate Finance Committee can't pass a bill into law without us. We can't pass one without the Senate. And we can't, either of us, do it together without the president."

Ultimately, the final negotiations will go on in a conference committee between the two chambers, and Miller said his body hopes to take the fight there. "We hope to take it to conference committee," he said.

If the conference committee emerged with a public plan intact, it would force Senate Republicans and conservative Democrats to take a stand for or against health care reform.

"What we had today was a good start, because the three committees are not competing. They're starting off together. We're on our way," said Waxman, raising his fist as he entered an elevator. "There's no stopping us now!"

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Looks like we may have a lot of new senators over the next six years.

I,for one, welcome the change.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:49 AM on 06/21/2009
- springsm I'm a Fan of springsm 54 fans permalink

guess who is winning tho...do you really want that. True we can't get anywhere with who is in Congress now..but ...careful­.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:21 AM on 06/21/2009
- Dystopic I'm a Fan of Dystopic 20 fans permalink
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yeah, I agree. we need real progressives, not Rush-lite.

Dennis Kucinich is made fun of alot, but along with Sanders, they are the only real dems in office

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:01 PM on 06/21/2009

Let's hear it for the House!

As usual the Senate "moderate" Dems are the ones holding up the works. Even if there were 75 Dems in the Senate, many would find some excuse to water down strong legislation that the country needs. Of course, these are the same Dems that are bought and paid for by the special interests. Their also afraid of taking ownership of healthcare reform if not Repubs come along..

75% want a robust public option. Dems, take ownership! And also take credit when these reforms, including a strong public plan work.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:05 AM on 06/21/2009
- VPN I'm a Fan of VPN 111 fans permalink
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I don't think the Senate Dem's really want a 60 vote majority, that would remove the only excuse they have for NOT doing the will of the people. That is working for we the peoples interest rather than the interest of Big Oil, Big Pharma and Corporate Wall Street.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:33 AM on 06/21/2009
- viggoros I'm a Fan of viggoros 2 fans permalink
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Finally, with a 76% favorability of a public plan, the House members will definitely be the one telling the Democratic Senators opposing the Public Plan that this is risky for upcoming election. Even 50% of the GOP voters are favoring a public option. I would especially worry about Baucus from Montana. He would be in a lot of trouble to be re-elected if he is against it. We don't need the GOP Senators for this. Bipartisanship is highly over-rated, and just an excuse for Democratic Senators, who has received large amount of money from the private health insurance companies, to oppose a public option. The GOP does not care about the middle class, so they have nothing to lose by opposing it.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:41 AM on 06/21/2009

Did you see the article where Baucus missed his own town hall meetings, and the staffer he sent had to answer all the questions from the crouds - "we want a public plan!". Massive support for public plan in Montana. About time they started to listen to their public.!.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:58 AM on 06/21/2009

Check out the unemployment rate, and income statistics in MT, and you will realize why everyone there wants (needs) a public plan!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:14 AM on 06/21/2009
- Photofarm I'm a Fan of Photofarm 21 fans permalink

Great, the trial lawyers get off without any changes, and the only real way to rein in costs is to change the liability laws so doctors and hospitals quit running extra tests to just cover their hind ends in case the 1% chance of them being wrong comes true.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:52 AM on 06/21/2009
- Chaimirija I'm a Fan of Chaimirija 56 fans permalink
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not True...fin­d out the facts and then come back...and they run the tests to make money HONEY

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:21 AM on 06/21/2009

Not True! Read "The Cost Conundrum" in the June 1st issue of The New Yorker magazine. You will learn how the Mayo Clinic uses best practices to deliver superior health care at half the cost of lousy health care in McAllen, Texas.

Please take the time to inform yourself before regurgitating Rethuglican talking points.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:09 AM on 06/21/2009
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Liability lawsuits, malpractice lawsuits and wrongful death lawsuits comprise only 1-3% of the total cost of Healthcare. Not so coincidently, the same doctors and hospitals running extra tests are also profiting from the extra "level" of Healthcare they are "providing".

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:13 AM on 06/21/2009
- Lyr I'm a Fan of Lyr 35 fans permalink

So what it is about a public option ,or single payer that will stop doctors and hospitals from running extra tests?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:10 PM on 06/21/2009
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Exactly. And what do the Trial Lawyer's costs add to our health care costs?

Here's one estimate: for the period 1975 - 2003, health care costs have risen about 600%, while costs associated with medical malpractice liability have risen 1,200%. The "tort tax" by 2003 represented an average of $3,300 annual cost for the average family of four's annual medical bill.

Source:
http://www.heartland.org/publications/health%20care/article/18270/Litigation_Raising_Health_Care_Costs_Study_Says.htm

We have to look at ALL causes to the health care cost problem if we want a true solution.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:49 AM on 06/21/2009
- cobobs I'm a Fan of cobobs 33 fans permalink
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Ah ha! That is why Waxman has been quiet for a while. Great job!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:35 AM on 06/21/2009
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Our only hope is to BREAK the EL1TE Oligarchy's hold on our Congress and our Banking System:

1. Reform Campaign Funding
2. Audit the FED and remove Bank Control of the FEDERAL RESERVE
__________­__________­__________­______

TIME TO REFORM CORRUPTION IN CAMPAIGN FUNDING SYSTEM

Simple Solution to PROTECT OUR Congress Members Votes so votes are NOT sold to Highest Bidders:

1. Setup a Government Contribution Acceptance and Funds Distribution under Citizens' Control
2. Funnel all Political Contributions through this agency audited annually
3. Uses strict formulas for allocating funds to House+Senate Members
4. "Blindly" distribute lump sums twice per year to Politicians - No KNOWN SOURCES of funds!
5. Reserve part of funds for those New Candidates that meet campaign funding criteria
6. Two? Term Limits for Senators
7. Four? Term Limits for House Members

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:49 AM on 06/21/2009
- Peabodies I'm a Fan of Peabodies 21 fans permalink

clap, clap, clap, Philip. You mean removing bank control FROM the Federal Reserve, right?

I am all for reforming campaign reform by doing what other countries do: PUBLIC financing of elections, short campaigns, civil debates.

Most Senators secretly wish this. The burden of fundraising is intolerable. House members aren't so affected (but are, too) because their constituencies are smaller. Senators compete state-wide.

As for the Federal Reserve, it is a giant opaque money printing machine that has no place in a democracy. Abolish them (H.R.833)!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:46 AM on 06/21/2009
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You have said much that I disagree with.

However, you have certainly hit the nail on the head regarding the Fed Reserve. They are completely out of control, should be audited, and disbanded.

They, more than any other institution, are the cause of our boom and bust cycles, as well as having destroyed the purchasing power of the US dollar.

And these are the main two funcitons they were created to prevent.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:55 AM on 06/21/2009
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A lot of us can't see the forest for the trees. We want a scapegoat, someone to blame, and action now.

Is there a mass outcry for auto repair reform? No, and we don't expect our auto insurance to pay for oil changes, new tires, brake jobs, or replace the head lights when they go out.

We've brought a lot of this on ourselves by expecting our health insurance to pay for our doctor visits for colds, flu, etc. It should be reserved for catastrophic illnesses/­situations­.

There are too many regulations on medical practices. Do you need 4 years of college and 4 years of medical school to stich a cut, set a simple fracture, run a bacterial culture to determine the correct prescription for colds, flu, etc. or midwife a baby's birth? Military medics seem to do a pretty amazing job with much less training.

Less regulation, letting less than full fledged doctors treat minor problems, would bring in more competition for normal "wear and tear" health problems, and lower the cost for treatment of those problems.

Tax exempt health care savings plans that belong to the individual, fully portable from job to job, would go a long way toward covering "wear and tear" issues and catastrophic insurance premiums.

Thefree market works.

I admit the above suggestions will not appeal to those expecting someone else to pay for their healthcare, but would certainly appeal to those of us that take responsibility for our own, and our family's healthcare.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:14 AM on 06/21/2009
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30% Administrative FEES by Insurance Companies
2.1% Administrative FEES for Medicare!

Save 27.9% and the above BS goes AWAY!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:48 AM on 06/21/2009
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Switzerland, the Capitalist Banking Center has it and they live longer and healthier lives!

30% Administrative FEES by Insurance Companies
2.1% Administrative FEES for Medicare!

Save 27.9% and the BS goes AWAY! Solves the $Trillion CBO BS that did NOT include a Public Option!

Amazing the CBO ignored a 27.9% Savings!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:01 AM on 06/21/2009
- Chaimirija I'm a Fan of Chaimirija 56 fans permalink
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you have some very good points....­however, please remember, it is doctor/insurance complex that brought most of this on...not people...t­hey have more rights under the law, too...

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:26 AM on 06/21/2009
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One of the biggest road blocks to the suggestions I mention above are the trial lawyers.

I see a lot of complaints from the posters against the insurance companies and the doctors, but few acknowledgements of the cost increases driven by the trial lawyers.

They've played a huge role in the cost increases, and are one of the biggest lobbying groups in D.C.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:29 AM on 06/21/2009

The "free market" works if you own one as the insurance companies do. Tax-exempt health savings work fine for those whose incomes provide that option. I have health insurance. The "competition" among providers is laughable. What's common across the board are the same rates, deductibles and co-pays combined with a constant need to deal with arbitrary bureaucrats deciding what claims to pay or not. Sound like a competitive "free market"? Annual rate increases are announced AFTER the annual plan selection process. Our son, a young single male, was just laid off. He doesn't have health insurance and can't afford it. There are millions more like him, many with families. That number is growing. What happens when they need health care? ERs. Who pays for that?
A robust public option is critical to the long-term health of this country and its economy. Ask any small business owner who tries to do right by their employees. Most major corporations with any kind of conscience and business sense should agree.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:14 AM on 06/21/2009
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What happend when he needs a car? What happens when he needs housing? What happens when he needs food? Why is health care different?

If your son applies himself, and learns or has marketable skills, he will soon have another job. It would help if he voted into office politicians that do not demonize the profit motive, which is the only reason businesses have for existing.

This country was not founded so that everything you need would be provided by government.

It was founded so that you have the abitlity to achieve your fullest potential on your own merits.

There are basic safety nets in place to handle many of the above needs until someone can get back on their feet. There are hundreds of charitible organizations that will provide assistance also.

I, and millions of others, are NOT willing to grant to the Federal Government a blank check to tap my earnings to provide for a permanent underclass that is unwilling to provide for themselves. I've never heard a politician name a limit above which they feel tax rates should not go. How much of my income do they consider is the maximum amount they should take? 40%? 50%?

At what point do I cease to be a citizen and become an indentured servant to the government?

The old Chinese proverb is very true, "Give a man a fish and you feed him for a day. Teach a man to fish and you feed him for a lifetime."

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:44 AM on 06/21/2009
- Actionmac I'm a Fan of Actionmac 10 fans permalink
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PETITION TO SUPPORT HEALTH CARE REFORM:

Citizens for Real Health Care Reform
And a PUBLIC OPTION

http://ga3.org/campaign/healthpetition

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:56 AM on 06/21/2009
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I am sick and tired of the tyranny of the Senators from lightly populated states dictating to the majority of this country about what can and can't be done. If necessary, let the Dakotas, Alaska and any other state which really wants to opt out of the public option. Then the vast majority of people in this country can get what they want.

If the banking dominated Swiss can figure out how to cover EVERYONE, then so can the US.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:55 AM on 06/21/2009
- JZ735 I'm a Fan of JZ735 22 fans permalink

Better yet, let's have them cede from the Union...Te­xas can go first...BU­H BYE and GOOD RIDDANCE.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:12 AM on 06/21/2009

Please, with the nonsense.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:55 AM on 06/21/2009

Great thinking..­....let the most profitable state in the Union cede.....N­o wonder we are in so much trouble!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:23 AM on 06/21/2009
- Dystopic I'm a Fan of Dystopic 20 fans permalink
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Texas seceeds, gas goes to $10 a gallon.

Not all Texans are republican, and not all texas republican are secessionists.

and If Texas goes, it takes with it the original footprint of texas - California, New Mexico, Arizona and Texas ...

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:06 PM on 06/21/2009
- Heaphy I'm a Fan of Heaphy 17 fans permalink
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Start planning your 2010 summer vacation now. One third of the U.S. Senate seats will be up for grabs next year. Of those seats, pick a scenic state that has a Senator running for re-election who opposes the public option and opposes real health care reform. Spend the maximum amount of time touring that state and volunteering for that Senator's opponent. Make friends in that state. Send letters to the editor of that state's major newspapers and post on local political blogs. Become an expert on that Senator's foibles. Criticize that Senator's opposition to health care reform at every opportunity. Raise money for that Senator's opponent - every penny you can afford. Let that Senator's staffers know what you plan to do - and why. Celebrate victory on election night.

- Jim Heaphy

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:41 AM on 06/21/2009
- vanmungo I'm a Fan of vanmungo 66 fans permalink

Exactly what do you think the public option is, and why do you think it will be a real reform of the current system?

For most people who support this "public option," it is a magic phrase, a talisman, devoid of any content.

Please explain what you think it is.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:58 AM on 06/21/2009
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Switzerland, the Capitalist Banking Center has it and they live longer and healthier lives!

30% Administrative FEES by Insurance Companies
2.1% Administrative FEES for Medicare!

Save 27.9% and the BS goes AWAY! Solves the $Trillion CBO BS that did NOT include a Public Option!

Amazing the CBO ignored a 27.9% Savings!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:34 AM on 06/21/2009
- Chaimirija I'm a Fan of Chaimirija 56 fans permalink
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no, it is not...good­Grief...wh­y don't you explain what it isn't then...

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:29 AM on 06/21/2009
- Dystopic I'm a Fan of Dystopic 20 fans permalink
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Public Option = gov't not for profit insurance company.

Medicare (gov't healthcare) admin costs are less than 2.5%

Private For Profit Insurance companies admin costs are 30%.

there is 27.5% reduction in costs.

Insurance only works if everyone is in the pool.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:08 PM on 06/21/2009

Thank you for the GREAT IDEAS. We need to be strategic and smart!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:13 AM on 06/21/2009
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Simple Solution to PROTECT OUR Congress Members Votes so votes are NOT sold to Highest Bidders:

1. Setup a Government Contribution Acceptance and Funds Distribution under Citizens' Control
2. Funnel all Political Contributions through this agency audited annually
3. Uses strict formulas for allocating funds to House+Senate Members
4. "Blindly" distribute lump sums twice per year to Politicians - No KNOWN SOURCES of funds!
5. Reserve part of funds for those New Candidates that meet campaign funding criteria
6. Two? Term Limits for Senators
7. Four? Term Limits for House Members

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:57 AM on 06/21/2009
- Ohsherri I'm a Fan of Ohsherri 107 fans permalink
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I like your thinking Heaphy.

Your avatar looks so happy and jolly.

But underneath, your a fired-up..­.fierce...­shi//t-kic­king machine... :-))

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:36 AM on 06/21/2009
- Ben Doko I'm a Fan of Ben Doko 3 fans permalink
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Great idea Jim !

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:09 AM on 06/22/2009
- Tim303 I'm a Fan of Tim303 94 fans permalink
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I remember when I visited Norway. I was on a bus to the train station in Bergen, passing some very nice houses that resembled ones in Cleveland Heights (if you know where that is): large windows, brick, tree-lined, set in from the roads. I exclaimed aloud at the sight, and one of the people on the bus explained that these were the council houses (translation: projects).

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:35 AM on 06/21/2009
- CAP6 I'm a Fan of CAP6 15 fans permalink

I know Cleveland Heights. I grew up on Cleveland's East side at E. 156th St. & Lakeshore Blvd.. Never been to Norway though.

Best regards

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:40 AM on 06/21/2009
- Tim303 I'm a Fan of Tim303 94 fans permalink
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"At least I'm not a Norwegian!" cried the bankrupt amputee.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:33 AM on 06/21/2009
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Go to www.change.org and sign the petition for a real public option!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:26 AM on 06/21/2009
- madusher I'm a Fan of madusher 6 fans permalink

75% of the American people support it, plus the House and the president. And the only thing stopping this is the United States senate. If this does'nt get passed it will be a huge middle finger to every hardworking American. CALL YOUR SENATOR!!!!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:05 AM on 06/21/2009
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If we do NOT get at least a Strong Public Option then expect REBELLION!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:07 AM on 06/21/2009

I will!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:16 AM on 06/21/2009

I think we need to refer to the Senate as the House Of Lords.

that certainly seems to be how they view themselves.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:53 AM on 06/21/2009
- Lyr I'm a Fan of Lyr 35 fans permalink

Haha isn't that the truth. We should just repeal the 17th, it's not workin out.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:59 AM on 06/21/2009
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Wall Street Annex!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:05 AM on 06/21/2009
- CAP6 I'm a Fan of CAP6 15 fans permalink

lol.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:42 AM on 06/21/2009
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