House Democrats "Anxious To Take On" Health Care Reform Opponents

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First Posted: 06-19-09 04:25 PM   |   Updated: 06-19-09 04:46 PM

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The Democratic Party showed on Friday what it's capable of when led by the majority of its members rather than its conservative wing. In stark contrast to Senate Democrats, who spent the week backpedaling on reform, unified House Democrats unveiled a draft health care overhaul bill jointly endorsed by three powerful committee chairmen.

Henry Waxman, Charlie Rangel and George Miller, chairs of the Energy & Commerce, Ways & Means and Education & Labor Committees, announced the result of six months of negotiations. The sight of three united committee chairmen in the turf-conscious House is a historically rare one.

Where the Senate Finance Committee's outline of a bill didn't include a public health insurance option for people to buy into, the House version includes a robust public plan that would operate nationally and compete with private insurers on a level playing field to keep them honest.

The public plan would be self-sustaining and not subsidized by the federal government, although an upfront infusion of capital would be needed. It would initially be tied to Medicare reimbursement rates, to capitalize on the existing infrastructure, but would evolve into a separate plan that paid higher rates. Participation by doctors would be voluntary.

Rangel described the public plan as "the best of Medicaid, best of Medicare, then kick it up a notch." The chairmen estimated the plan would cover 95 percent of Americans.

While the Senate has cowered from the debate over a public option in the face of Republican and conservative Democratic opposition, Rangel said he relishes the battle.

"I'm anxious to take on those people who oppose a public option," he said. He'll have public opinion on his side. A recent poll showed 3 out of 4 people want a public plan as part of health care reform. "We've got the momentum."

Waxman told the Huffington Post after the press conference that the public plan is "essential," when asked if reform was possible without it. "I think it's essential to the reform as outlined by the president and as the three congressional committees have set forth. I'm not gonna say nothing's off the table, because we have a lot of ideas on the table that many of us don't agree with. But from my point of view, I think it makes the health care system work to have competition, which means public choice for those who are seeking health coverage."

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And, said Miller, it's what the president, who was elected in a landslide, campaigned on. The draft, he said, tries to "put language to what President Obama campaigned on in front of the American people."

Conservative Democrats in the Senate, however, have sided with the insurance industry, which put out a statement against the House plan while the press conference was still going on.

"We understand. We've read all the different positions in the Senate," said Miller. "We've had discussions back and forth, but we continue to believe this is an important, important component of real health care reform."

The three committees will hold hearings on the bill next week, with the hope of bringing it to the floor the week after the July 4th recess.

Senate Democrats have been set back by higher-than-expected cost estimates that have come back from the Congressional Budget Office, although the Senate plans were submitted without the public option, which is intended to reduce costs in the long run.

The House version will be expensive. It includes an effort to close the so-called "doughnut hole" in Medicare prescription drug coverage, which would be costly but would go a long way toward obtaining the support of seniors, who are less inclined to back a public option, according to a recent poll. They already have a public plan.

Doctors, too, get a wet kiss in the plan from Democrats, a proposal to permanently fix the "sustainable growth rate" payment system. The current public reimbursement system requires doctors to continuously lobby Congress to prevent automatic rate cuts. Members of Congress fill their coffers as a result of that lobbying and have never let the threat of a rate cut take effect. So, in effect, permanently fixing it won't cost more money but the budget office, which pretends the fix won't be made each year, will count it as an expensive provision. (Got that?)

The move by the House Friday was an effort to reassert itself. "I'm only speaking for the House. We feel very good about this," Miller told HuffPost after the presser.

Waxman dismissed the Senate fumbling. "I'm not getting alarmed by the legislative process," he said. "The Senate Finance Committee can't pass a bill into law without us. We can't pass one without the Senate. And we can't, either of us, do it together without the president."

Ultimately, the final negotiations will go on in a conference committee between the two chambers, and Miller said his body hopes to take the fight there. "We hope to take it to conference committee," he said.

If the conference committee emerged with a public plan intact, it would force Senate Republicans and conservative Democrats to take a stand for or against health care reform.

"What we had today was a good start, because the three committees are not competing. They're starting off together. We're on our way," said Waxman, raising his fist as he entered an elevator. "There's no stopping us now!"

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- kape I'm a Fan of kape 4 fans permalink

Fixing health care is long over due. Amazing that we can call ourselves a first world country with all the problems with the health care system -- and some people have the audacity to ridicule countries with far better health care systems than ours!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:27 AM on 06/21/2009
- Lyr I'm a Fan of Lyr 35 fans permalink

http://www.infoplasticsurgery.com/breast/augmentation/cost/costloftus/ One part of our health care system still works. It's the part that no insurance company will touch.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:55 AM on 06/21/2009
- JZ735 I'm a Fan of JZ735 22 fans permalink

The propaganda about other countries is pathetic..­.it is tiresome and more than lame...
Universal health care is something that is a no brainer and whose time has come...
Doctors need to shut up and sit down and face it...no one wants to hear their self-interested whining any longer.
Nor do we need to hear any complaints from the health insurance industry..­.tough if you don't want it...
you're througn with the s--ty coverage and ridiculous problems you cause for average Americans.­..lobby all you like...you­'re done!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:15 AM on 06/21/2009
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Switzerland, the Capitalist Banking Center has it and they live longer and healthier lives!

30% Administrative FEES by Insurance Companies
2.1% Administrative FEES for Medicare!

Save 27.9% and the BS goes AWAY! Solves the $Trillion CBO BS that did NOT include a Public Option!

Amazing the CBO ignored a 27.9% Savings!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:55 AM on 06/21/2009
- Chaimirija I'm a Fan of Chaimirija 56 fans permalink
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tell me about it...I had to do research on all the other countries for a class, and then I TRY to explain the facts to others, and they just keep repeating talking point and lies...

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:32 AM on 06/21/2009
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Hit them where it hurts boys! Lets get this public health care option done! The sight of those three guys inspires me and lets me know this fight ain't over. We will get Health Care for All, once and for all!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:34 AM on 06/21/2009

BOLLOCKS!

The "Public Option" is a sell out that leaves health care in the hands of the insurance companies.

Public Option is NOT Single Payer.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:51 AM on 06/21/2009
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Yes, they are inspiring in the way pictures of Stalin's gang were inspiring to other socialists.

Shoot low boys, they're riding shetland ponies.... Lewis Grizzard

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:22 AM on 06/21/2009
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Switzerland, the Capitalist Banking Center has it and they live longer and healthier lives!

30% Administrative FEES by Insurance Companies
2.1% Administrative FEES for Medicare!

Save 27.9% and the above BS goes AWAY!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:53 AM on 06/21/2009
- HeWhoReads I'm a Fan of HeWhoReads 8 fans permalink
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You got your heart in the right place, but you've been a victim of misinformation. The public health care option is weak. Single Payer is the real change.

Find out about Single Payer here:

http://www.pnhp.org/facts/what_is_single_payer.php

Also, check out "New to Single Payer?" and "Frequently Asked Questions" on the left side!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:23 AM on 06/21/2009

Single payer isn't going to happen, were lucky a public option is still on the table.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:01 AM on 06/21/2009
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Buck up my liberal buckaroos! Here are a few favorite quotes of mine to get you through the day.

Happiness belongs to the self-sufficient. " Aristotle

There is no worse tyranny than to force a man to pay for what he does not want merely because you think it would be good for him. - Robert Heinlein

The criterion of truth is that it works even if nobody is prepared to acknowledge it.
- Ludwig von Mises

If you ask me to name the proudest distinction of Americans, I would choose- because it contains all the others- the fact that they were the people who created the phrase "to make money." No other language or nation had ever used these words before; men had always thought of wealth as a static quantity- to be seized, begged, inherited, shared, looted or obtained as a favor. Americans were the first to understand that wealth has to be created. - Ayn Rand

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:30 AM on 06/21/2009

Ayndroid.

'Nuff said.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:55 AM on 06/21/2009
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Disappointing when history slaps one in the face, isn't it.

Truly, in the way of man's nature, there is nothing new under the sun.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:19 AM on 06/21/2009
- kskids9 I'm a Fan of kskids9 11 fans permalink
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The simple truth is that, so called, "Real Health Care Reform" is just a pipe dream. Do we remember the "to big to fail" stuff?? There are Millions employed directly or indirectly by the insurance industry. How about all the people who have investment in these companies, "big phara" or other healthcare companies that sell products into hospitals/care centers?? I bet most of you invest in these companies.­. DON'T BELIEVE IT?? Check your 401K!!!!! Is Obama going to buy out every investor in the industry?? Is he going to snub his nose at the $20m he has received in campaign contributions from these companies?? PLEASE!!!! GET REAL!!!!!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:01 PM on 06/20/2009
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Then why are you here? Is that what you want? I'm left to think that that is what you want.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:04 PM on 06/20/2009
- kskids9 I'm a Fan of kskids9 11 fans permalink
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I would love to see everyone covered and get the health care they need!!!! But I don't think that should occur on the backs of others. Nor should the government put an entire industry (with all our neighbors - that are just every day folks like you and I - that work for them) out on their ear.. There has to be a middle ground.. It is just a lot more difficult to design than simply a single payer system... the tenants of liberalism says we should care about these people as well... Right???

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:16 PM on 06/20/2009
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Guess what? We don't care about Big Pharma investors. They are a big part of the problem. Healthcare before reagan was not for profit. This big investment money is a relatively new problem and, as such, should be mildly painful to deal with, but not impossible. It has to be done for the sake of the country and it's competitiveness. And you know why there are "Millions" employed by the insurance industry? They are employed for the sole reason of collecting a check and pushing paper in the direction to deny your claim. They should lose their jobs, they are parasites to this society.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:57 PM on 06/20/2009
- Lyr I'm a Fan of Lyr 35 fans permalink

You mean healthcare before Ted Kennedy and his wonderful HMO act was not for profit.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:06 AM on 06/21/2009
- vanmungo I'm a Fan of vanmungo 66 fans permalink

Before you start leaning on the all caps key and the EXCLAMATION POINT key, you should acquaint yourself with the facts instead of just treating us to a rote recitation of the right-wing disinformation you sop up from Fox News.

On the myth of "unemployment" resulting from single payer:

http://www.pnhp.org/facts/singlepayer_faq.php#insurance_companies

On the 2.6 million jobs that will be CREATED by single payer:

http://www.calnurses.org/media-center/press-releases/2009/january/first-of-its-kind-study-medicare-for-all-single-payer-reform-would-be-major-stimulus-for-economy-with-2-6-million-new-jobs-317-billion-in-business-revenue-100-billion-in-wages.html

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:01 AM on 06/21/2009
- ssgman I'm a Fan of ssgman 8 fans permalink
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MIllions? Puhleeeeze.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:25 AM on 06/21/2009

Look, I think there should be single payer also. But give the Congressional Democrats some credit here. I am happy to hear they are planning to take on the Senate Democrats and their proposal looks pretty good for a start. Max Baucus is not listening at all nor are the rest of the Blue Dogs it seems. Instead of blasting the Congressional Democrats they are going to need all the support they can get. Their Public Option they propose is going to be a whole lot better than what Max Baucus or the Republicans come up with.

Do any of you have any idea who can run against the Blue Dogs next time?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:44 PM on 06/20/2009
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The reason that 'public option' has a chance is because Big Insurance likes it better than single payer universal health care? Why? Because it will let Big Insurance carry on, as usual, with the same result: To end public health care completely, and leave Big Insurance as the only show in town.

The American people want single payer. To say that it has "no chance of passing" is to admit that this is not a democracy, and that the American people's votes are irrelevant.

I don't think you want to go there.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:51 PM on 06/20/2009
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"Do any of you have any idea who can run against the Blue Dogs next time?"

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Which blue dog? Where do you live?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:52 PM on 06/20/2009
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This really is the time, the one and only time, for single payer universal health care. If it doesn't happen now, ALL public health care will end in a very short time. Medicare, all of it.

Obama's plan (public-private option) is a 'kicking-t­he-can-dow­n-the-road­'-method of not deciding anything -- But what it does is actually strengthen Big Insurance, and will lead to gutting public health care while weakening the movement for universal public health. And because it has some real life impacts, it's going to wind up killing supporters, literally. Probably the most vocal and knowledgable, older and educated Americans. "Thinning the herd".

Because we're dealing with a capitalist corporate model. Big Insurance is still going to be able to cherry-pick the healthiest, youngest, charge them dirt cheap rates, taking them out of the pool. That's short-changing the money for the public program.

It's the same mechanism that Bush employed to end all of the social programs, and why he thinks he'll be vindicated. Bankrupt the country in order to end social security. It's mad (insane), but it works.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:53 PM on 06/20/2009
- jacbro I'm a Fan of jacbro 2 fans permalink

Thank you Grannyover70 for that posting. Indeed, let's give Waxman and house colleagues credit for getting us closer to single payer.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:11 AM on 06/21/2009
- kskids9 I'm a Fan of kskids9 11 fans permalink
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Private school = Superior Education
Public School = Mediocre (at best) education

Private Insurance = Superior Health care
Public Insurance = _____________

Fill in the blank.....­...

Institutionalized education failed why do we assume that an institutionalized health care system wont???

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:32 PM on 06/20/2009
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Contrary to what conservatives would us believe, "The Government" isn't some Death Star floating body over the continental US; It's us, the people.

We determine what our money goes for and how our government is to work. Those conservatives who spit whenever they say "government" are actually spitting on themselves - They created government led by incompetents and criminals, they gave us Bush and Cheney and fiscal policies that let the rich get richer and destroyed the middle class. They deregulated industries, spent us into bankruptcy on wars and bailouts to the rich, while cutting safety nets for the poor and middle classes.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:40 PM on 06/20/2009
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Right. Earth to Marcospinelli: the lobbyists will always have more input than we the people.

One of the most famous and accurate D.C. phrases: "Money talks, BS walks."

Wake up. Read your history. Make your own decisions.

Limiting the power of government is the best protection for the common people's interest.

Lobbyists are to politicians as fleas are to dogs. You can get rid of them temporarily, but they always come back.

The more power you give to government, the more opportunities you provide for lobbyists to offer them money to change the rules for the lobbyist's constituencies.

It's been true throughout history, and is why our founder's sought to limit the powers of government.

Government should have limited refree type roles. Doesn't matter which party is in power, the lobbyists will eventually own them.

Term limits and limited power is the best solution.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:07 PM on 06/20/2009
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We used to have not-for-profit healthcare, and it worked great. As a matter of fact, our tax dollars went for "the common good", paid for miracle medicines, R&D for pharmaceutical corporations that was to come back to us by way of miracle drugs at affordable prices. Thank liberals for that. For what was supposed to happen, before greedy conservatives managed to deal themselves in and siphon the rewards for themselves alone. What happened you can lay blame directly at the feet of Republicans and DINOs.

We gave those affordable prices to other nations so that they could buy these pharmaceuticals while the American consumer subsidized those foreign customers' lowered prices by paying HIGHER prices. For medications that our tax dollars went to create.

Single payer, universal health care. Now.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:42 PM on 06/20/2009
- kskids9 I'm a Fan of kskids9 11 fans permalink
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Interestin­g.. I guess I don't remember a not for profit system in recent history (I am 50). The point was, we would all agree, given the ability, we would put our kids in private school because it is a better education than public schools. How can we honestly believe that a public health care system will in fact be better. I am all for better, but; we all know that Medicare and Social security will be bankrupt before most of us get a chance to use it. Has the government with its massive infrastructure really been able to prove it can manage something like this??? Just a thought...

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:51 PM on 06/20/2009
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It's actually funny hearing a conservative argue that throwing money at an institution (private schools) fixes it. That is the gist of what you're saying.

Republicans shortchanged public education, the best in the world. Republicans break everything that they touch.

Private insurance has made the US the 37th in the world on the "Good Health Care Performance" list according to the WHO. Cuba is higher ranked than we are!

http://www.photius.com/rankings/who_world_health_ranks.html

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:48 PM on 06/20/2009
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Nah. Conservatives prefer private schools or home schooling these days, as the public schools do less teaching than they do indoctrinating.

Public school funding has increased year over year every since at least 1990, when you add all contributions (fed, state, local, and other) and has produced a decreasingly good product.
http://www.ed.gov/about/overview/fed/10facts/edlite-chart.html#1
(click on the graph on the right of the page).

in everything the government touches, the quality goes down, the costs go up, and customer satisfaction plumments.

And thanks for explaining why all those Canadians are flocking to Cuba for cancer treatment, hip replacements, etc.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:09 AM on 06/21/2009
- vanmungo I'm a Fan of vanmungo 66 fans permalink

Chew on these facts:

U.S. Heatlh Care system: 37th in the world, last in the industrialized world; has DOUBLE the per capita costs of all other industrialized countries with WORSE OUTCOMES: lower life expectancy and higher infant-mortality rates.

And what to all those other industrialized countries have in common that allows them to guarantee coverage to EVERYONE at HALF our cost and with BETTER outcomes? All are variations of nonprofit, single-payer systems.

Also--I advise you never to call a policeman or fire fighter in an emergency, walk on a public sidewalk, drive on a public road, watch TV (publicly owned, privately leased airwaves), or use the Internet again (developed at the Pentagon with public funds). Or never fly in a space shuttle or travel to the moon--all these nefarious activities are examples of creeping state takeover of your mind.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:31 AM on 06/21/2009
- CAP6 I'm a Fan of CAP6 15 fans permalink

The question is, who is going to take on the House? Yesterday June 19th, the House "quietly" approved an 8% increase in the budget for member's "office expenses". While many of us have been forced to cut our household budgets due to the recession (some say depression), unemployment closing in on 10%, homelessness increasing daily, healthcare unaffordable and non-existent for millions, the House can "quietly" increase their expense budgets and at the same time proclaim they are going to take on the Senate. Absolutely remarkable. This was reportedly very little debate on this bill before it was passed, on a Friday no less. The Member's Representative Allowances, or MRA's as they are called, have risen from $555 MILLION in 2007 to $580 Million in 2008, and to $609 MILLION this year. The increases amount to almost 5% for each of the two years and are part of a $3.7 BILLION spending bill to run Congress for one year beginning this coming October. Are we getting our money's worth or are we getting something else? I will leave that decision to you but on a personal level just permit me to say, I preferred to be asked, or perhaps kissed, first.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:58 PM on 06/20/2009

Find out if your senators support a public option!

http://www.standwithdrdean.com/where_congress_stands?chamber=Senate&party=D&state=CO&hc_status=&commit=Filter

Neither one of the Colorado senators have come out either way -- I've been emailing them and calling them almost ever day -- sometimes calling twice, they don't ask for a name!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:49 PM on 06/20/2009

thanks for the link...It has come in handy

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:07 AM on 06/21/2009
- vanmungo I'm a Fan of vanmungo 66 fans permalink

Yean--find out if you Senator supports the public option: that's a sure sign that he/she is on the payroll of the HMOs, who would remain firmly in charge of the health-care system under the Waxman/Rangel proposal.

Then demand that your Senator support the only REAL reform--nonprofit single-payer Medicare for all. The Senate bill is S703.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:01 AM on 06/21/2009
- mharg11 I'm a Fan of mharg11 18 fans permalink

I think this is great, the House has b--alls, even if the senate doesn't. Maybe with a little presure those blue dogs will get the message and do the right thing. I'm tire of hearing the right always standing in front of camers and telling us what we are not going to get.

It appears to have been so easy for the right to stand up for when attempting to start a war in Iran with the citizens being killed and hoping the U.S. would run in there. They have no problem with finding money for wars and more wars.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:43 PM on 06/20/2009
- mitsie I'm a Fan of mitsie 54 fans permalink
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I love it, and if the Senate Dems still don't get it, let the brave Dems who have the ba@@s run for the Senate next year.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:36 PM on 06/20/2009

And now that the House democrats have come up with something that many Americans will support and want, how does the senate now say no and water it down. I know that a lot of people want single payer. They should stand for that -- Stand up for what you believe in! Call your senators and let them know what you want. I'm for the public option. Doesn't make me wrong, it's just want I believe!

If you want a public option or you want single payer, flood your senators phones and emails! Fax and write emails. Whitehouse.gov has an email form and a telephone number -- it takes awhile to get through to the comments operator, but they need to hear from you! There is a fax number as well. I've been doing all three twice a day! Don't let up!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:55 PM on 06/20/2009

This is what republican policies have done for our country:

Bush widened the wealth gap to it's largest since the 20's just before the depression, he doubled the amount of billionaires in this country, and increased the families living in poverty from the 9.6% Clinton left him to 13.7%.

Top 1% of the population makes more than 40% of the country's households. That same 1% holds more than 90% of the population combined!

Bush tax cuts benefited the 1% to the tune of 10% per tax year, while middle-income families got a 2.3% tax cut. The share of taxes paid by 80% of the people increased, while the top 20% had their taxes decreased.

Average income went from $49,158 to 48,201

Corporate profits went from 719.2 billion to 1769.5 billion -- Pharma went from 30 billion to 80 billion

U.S. BUDGET WENT FROM +236 BILLION TO -354 BILLION AND THE DEFICIT WENT FROM 5.7 TRILLION TO 9.2 TRILLION

Only 7% of the current budget is attributed to President Obama and his stimulus.

WHY ARE THESE PEOPLE VOTING AGAINST THEIR OWN SELF INTEREST? They vote for republicans because they claim to be ch ris tians -- while they are actually the opposite. They are the tax collectors we read about in the B ib le who Je sus condemned and they are the hateful people screaming at the cross: Cru ci fy him! OPEN YOUR EYES! YOU ARE BEING FOOLED!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:26 PM on 06/20/2009
- vanmungo I'm a Fan of vanmungo 66 fans permalink

Here's a summary of the top 20 recipients of legalized bribes from the HMOs and Big Pharma for the 2008 election cycle (notice that Obama leaves McCain in the dust!)--read it and weep if you've been gulled into believing that ANY Democrat is proposing ANY real reform--including this "public option" sham that will apply a thin cosmetic veneer to a broken system and leave the HMO greedheads in charge:

Obama, Barack (D) $19,578,158
McCain, John (R) $7,418,423
Clinton, Hillary (D-NY) $6,630,985
McConnell, Mitch (R-KY) $1,354,535
Baucus, Max (D-MT) $1,161,175
Cornyn, John (R-TX) $961,719
Coleman, Norm (R-MN) $898,328
Paul, Ron (R-TX) $874,444
Pallone, Frank Jr (D-NJ) $845,445
Rangel, Charles B (D-NY) $827,549
Specter, Arlen (R-PA) $718,398
Chambliss, Saxby (R-GA) $713,709
Smith, Gordon H (R-OR) $713,013
Roberts, Pat (R-KS) $676,949
Harkin, Tom (D-IA) $673,048
Collins, Susan M (R-ME) $659,019
Dingell, John D (D-MI) $573,736
Udall, Mark (D-CO) $560,115
Landrieu, Mary L (D-LA) $556,918
Price, Tom (R-GA) $529,851

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:09 PM on 06/20/2009
- Ohsherri I'm a Fan of Ohsherri 104 fans permalink
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ALL legalized bribery.

And we've just 'put up' with it for years and years....o­h well eh...

And now the chickens are coming home to roost.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:26 PM on 06/20/2009
- mitsie I'm a Fan of mitsie 54 fans permalink
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Why don't you spend more time reading about the people who need health care and are being turned away. I have two in my family, and millions of us are going to be activists and contact our Reps. Stop the negativity, either you are for reform or you are sitting at the computer, just hoping and praying the public option fails. It's about time people started caring about other people. I guess you didn't read this article did you?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:38 PM on 06/20/2009
- vanmungo I'm a Fan of vanmungo 66 fans permalink

If you had real compassion for the tens of millions with no health coverage, you would be insisting on REAL reform instead of making excuses for a scam put forth by pols on the payroll of the HMOs.

I have read the article quite closely--did you?: this sham public option will get NO government funding (after an initial infusion); will have to charge premiums and deductibles, making it UNAFFORDABLE for tens of millions of Americans; it will have to offer fees that are HIGHER than those of Medicare; it will have none of the cost-efficiencies of a single risk pool.

This plan is consumer fraud--it's bee tried in several states and has always failed.

Did you know that Democrats took FAR more money than Republicans from the health-care companies in the last elections cycle--$72 MILLION in legalized bribes to the Democrats vs. $54 million to the Republicans.

Some people have enough pride to say, "I won't get fooled again." You apparently are determined to get fooled again and again.

If you want to educate yourself about the shortcomings of the public option and the benefits of the only real reform--si­ngle-payer Medicare for all--see the following--above all, READ AND THINK--don't just BAAAA "thank you" to the people leading you to slaughter:

http://www.commondreams.org/print/43440

http://www.pnhp.org/facts/singlepayer_faq.php#public-option

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:22 PM on 06/20/2009
- mitsie I'm a Fan of mitsie 54 fans permalink
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You also didn't read the AP wire that a new Pharmacy deal has been reached with the White House, so much for your freaking idea that the President is going to cave.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:39 PM on 06/20/2009

I've been reading all these posts that view that as a sellout -- but President Obama sees it as a downpayment to a public option!

I thought it was wonderful news -- and a good start!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:50 PM on 06/20/2009
- vanmungo I'm a Fan of vanmungo 66 fans permalink

The president--who slopped up nearly $19 million of the HMO/Big Pharma bribes in the last campaign--has already caved: he has shunted aside nonprofit single-payer Medicare for all, the only reform proposal that has a PROVEN track record of effectiveness in controlling costs and guaranteeing high-quality care for all in all the other industrialized countries of the world.

Obama knows Medicare for all is the best system--he openly supported it as recently as 2003. He tossed overboard as so much dead weight on his personal political ambitions. He cares more about being Mr. Chief than what happens to the average American.

Do you even know what single payer is? Have you bothered to read why the public option is a scam put forward by politicians who are on the payroll of the HMOs and drug companies, as I have repeatedly documented? Do you ever let facts and logic penetrate your fog of hero worship and blind tribal loyalty to your corrupt political party?

Read the FAQ at the Web site of Physicians for a National Health Plan--www.pnhp.org.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:30 PM on 06/20/2009

PUBLIC FINANCING!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:39 PM on 06/20/2009
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Jail time for bribery!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:19 AM on 06/21/2009
- Lyr I'm a Fan of Lyr 35 fans permalink

Yeah lets get taxed to pay for the election of our corrupt officals. Sounds like a real good idea to me. Where do you get this crap?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:57 AM on 06/21/2009
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The only thing "meaningful" and with teeth is Universal.
You know it.
I know it.
THEY know it...

Single Payer Now or voted out Later!....­that goes for ALL the so-called Dems too.
I love Obama.
But just like my ex boyfriend that I loved who said all the right things....
I had to break up with him.
He just wasn't that into me.
And Obama can't stop SHOVELLING the money into the Big Military Industry and
BIG banks and BIg Corporations.
No questions asked.

Americans are just left with the speeches and smiles and that 'fuzzy" feeling inside.
And on top of that American People have become part-time beggars...

For stuff that they SHOULD ALREADY HAVE...lik­e OTHER COUNTRIES!
DUH!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:50 PM on 06/20/2009

With a collapsing economy, healthcare, two wars, isreal-palestine on the brink, gay rights knocking on the door and iran/korea in a nuclear arms race...W T F are you guys complaining about?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:43 PM on 06/20/2009
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ROFLMAO!!!!

What!!!
Are those "gay rights" coming to get me????
Ohmygad!!!
Other than your "gay-blami­ng"....its all the more reasons for Universal
Healthcare like all the Other Countries that have GROWN-UP and MOVED ON

FROM FEAR-MONGE­RING!!!!!!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:10 AM on 06/21/2009
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There are 40,000 (yes 40,000 not 4,000) highly paid registered lobbyist skulking around the halls of Congress. And they are hard at work stopping all forward progress.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:46 PM on 06/20/2009
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With starting salaries at $300k.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2005/06/21/AR2005062101632.html

The number of lobbyists doubled from 2000 to 2005. It was at 34,750 in 2005.

Washington's Wealth Boom - The D.C. metro area is getting richer every year. That's a problem for the rest of America:
http://www.reason.com/news/show/131057.html

Lobbyists ♥ Obama
It's a golden age for the 'advocacy' business.
by Gary Andres
http://www.weeklystandard.com/Content/Public/Articles/000%5C000%5C016%5C567nydlh.asp

A CULTURE OF CORRUPTION
Let's Save Our Democracy by Getting Money Out of Politics
By Bill Moyers
http://www.washingtonspectator.org/articles/20060401cleanmoney_1.cfm

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:09 PM on 06/20/2009
- mitsie I'm a Fan of mitsie 54 fans permalink
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And there are millions of us outside the beltway that are pushing for a public option. We are stronger then all the lobbyests.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:41 PM on 06/20/2009
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You are being pushed by the lobbyists--they own Waxman and Rangel. Rangel took nearly one million dollars from the health companies in the last election cycle alone. He is doing their bidding--he is keeping them on control and offering you, effectively, nothing.

Read the FAQ of Physicians for a National Health Plan at www.pnhp.org.

It's never too late to learn and move forward.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:32 PM on 06/20/2009

After watching the Dems backpeddle, fold and show no backbone so far, I'm skeptical of this sudden bravado. Have the lobbyist paid off all of OUR representatives? It's going to take some good old fashion public indignation to light a fire underneath the Dems.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:40 PM on 06/20/2009

It's only been the dems in the senate that have folded! And they are so wishy washy that they are almost afraid to say in public that they are against the public option. Once they say they are against it, they get tons of email, and they come back and say I'm open to it.

But if they vote against it, and if this plan can get enough backing in the senate, I say reconciliation!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:42 PM on 06/20/2009
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Both the House and Senate Democrats folded. They are not even considering Single-Payer! This "public option" schtick they are pushing is a sham. Single-Payer is the most cost effective way to do this(so say France, Britain, Canada, and Australia) and they're not considering it...unacc­eptable!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:02 PM on 06/20/2009
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