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JOSHUA FREED | 06/19/09 02:52 PM | AP

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MINNEAPOLIS — As if charging $15 to check a bag weren't enough, two airlines are asking for $5 more beginning this summer if you pay at the check-in counter _ a fee on top of a fee.

Of course, you could always pay your baggage fee from home. The airlines call it the "online discount."

If airlines can get away with that, what's next? Rather than raise fares in the middle of a recession, they're piling on fees to make money _ fees for bags, fees to get through the line faster, even fees for certain seats.

United Airlines alone expects to rake in more than $1 billion this year in fees ranging from baggage to accelerated frequent-flier awards. That's more than 5 percent of its revenue.

The most likely new fees are those that some airline, somewhere, has tried. Fees usually originate with one or two airlines, and competitors watch to see whether passengers accept them or revolt. For instance:

_ US Airways and United are hitting passengers up for $5 to pay their baggage fees at the airport instead of online. United implemented the fee June 10, while US Airways will put it into effect July 9.

_ If you want to select an exit row seat on AirTran and enjoy the extra legroom, expect to cough up $20.

_ Allegiant Air, a smaller national discount airline, charges a $13.50 "convenience fee" for online purchases, even though most other carriers encourage purchases direct from their Web site.

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_ European discounter Ryanair charges for something everyone has to do if they want to fly: check in. It's 5 euros, or about $6.75, to check in online, double for passengers who pay at the airport. Ryanair plans to eliminate airport check-in desks.

_ Spanish airline Vueling charges a fee to pick a seat. Any seat at all. A "basic" seat behind the wing runs 3 euros. For 30 euros, travelers can choose an aisle or window seat and guarantee that the middle seat will remain empty.

"They need to chill out with those," said a frustrated Jim Engineer, a public relations executive waiting for a flight out of New York's LaGuardia. "Charging for a glass of water and seats just translates into unhappy customers."

As recently as last year, most fliers only came across a fee if they checked three bags or sent a minor child across the country. Most people, most of the time, traveled fee-free.

But that began to change last spring. Spiking jet fuel prices and passenger resistances to higher fares started airlines looking around the cabin for things they could charge extra for.

Passengers are finding it's a lot easier for the airlines to add the fees than to take them away.

"They're going to keep nudging them up until they run into market resistance," said Ed Perkins, a contributing editor at the Web site Smarter Travel.

That's what happened at US Airways. It tried for seven months to charge for soda and water but gave up in March after no other airlines took up the idea. And Delta scaled back a plan to charge $50 to check a second bag on all international flights. Instead, the charge will apply only on flights to Europe.

United has been a leader in finding ways to charge passengers separately for things. Some are for perks coach travelers used to get for free, like food. Others are new services altogether, like United's door-to-door luggage service via FedEx.

Airlines say fees are part of "a la carte" pricing that allows them to hold the line on fares. Rather than charge higher fares to everyone, they say, passengers can pick and choose the extras they want to pay for.

Ideas for fees don't come out of thin air. Last month in Miami most of the big U.S. carriers and many overseas airlines attended a conference devoted to a-la-carte pricing and fees. (Motto, next to a cartoon of an airliner: "Discovering the flying store.")

Some fees stretch the imagination: The CEO of European discount carrier Ryanair has floated the idea of charging for lavatory use and sick bags. But even he hasn't gone ahead with what appears to have been a publicity-seeking gambit, and no other carrier has suggested such a charge.

Still, there's no rule against such a fee in the U.S., according to the Department of Transportation and the Federal Aviation Administration.

Delta Air Lines Inc. and AirTran Holdings Inc. say they have no plans to tack a fee on to carry-on bags, an idea that would almost certainly annoy passengers just getting used to paying for checked baggage.

It would also put airline workers in the awkward position of deciding whether that bag on your arm is a big purse, presumably free, or a lumpy suitcase. Already, fees for checked bags have made finding space in the overhead bin tougher.

And even if carry-on bags stay free, United is already offering a "Premier Line" check-in for $25. It allows fliers to get through check-in and security faster and board earlier.

That guarantees some of that precious overhead space _ so in a way, it's like a carry-on fee, said Jay Sorensen, president of IdeaWorks Co., an airline consultant who has written a guidebook for airlines seeking "ancillary revenue," the industry term for fees and extra services such as airline credit cards.

Matthew J. Bennett, CEO of FirstClassFlyer.com, said he thinks travelers in the front of the plane will remain immune from the nickle-and-dime fees airlines aim at coach passengers.

For those in coach, though, "What they are going to charge for in the future is anything that's not bolted down."

"They've already gotten sufficient revenue from them," Bennett said. "All they're saying to coach-class travelers is 'We really haven't gotten enough from you.'"

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AP Business Writer Samantha Bomkamp in New York contributed to this report.

MINNEAPOLIS — As if charging $15 to check a bag weren't enough, two airlines are asking for $5 more beginning this summer if you pay at the check-in counter _ a fee on top of a fee. Of course, ...
MINNEAPOLIS — As if charging $15 to check a bag weren't enough, two airlines are asking for $5 more beginning this summer if you pay at the check-in counter _ a fee on top of a fee. Of course, ...
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- cyoohoos I'm a Fan of cyoohoos 43 fans permalink
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Stop you belly aching.... If you don't like it don't fly.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:29 PM on 06/20/2009

Done.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:57 PM on 06/20/2009

I fly all the time. But I use Lufthansa or an international carrier, even for my domestic flights, whenever possible.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:36 PM on 06/20/2009
- DubyaGump I'm a Fan of DubyaGump 40 fans permalink
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The service is much better foreign carriers, no cranky tenured air hostesses

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:49 PM on 06/20/2009
- LA2000 I'm a Fan of LA2000 6 fans permalink

I don't have a problem with the fees. I have a problem with hidden fees attached to non refundable tickets. If a fee is suddenly demanded of me at the counter, I should have the right to have my money fully refunded and walk. Anything less is just a shake down and an invitation for the airlines to continue these abusive practices.

Congress needs to make the advertised price all inclusive of basic services (like fuel, food, water, and bathroom access) or fully refundable.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:25 PM on 06/20/2009
- djreedps I'm a Fan of djreedps 11 fans permalink

FTA: 'And even if carry-on bags stay free, United is already offering a "Premier Line" check-in for $25. It allows fliers to get through check-in and security faster and board earlier.'

Wait a minute! Security screening is run by the TSA, an agency of the federal government, not by United Airlines. So how is it that United gets to charge for faster security screening, and how is it that United customers paying that fee get to walk through security screening faster, when it is the federal government which operates TSA?

I as a taxpayer who funds TSA should NEVER have to wait extra in the airport security line because someone paid United Airlines, a private company, $25 to get through faster.

That is just plain un-American and an abuse of taxpayer rights.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:23 PM on 06/20/2009

Actually, it's very American... because it's all about capitalism. There are already a number of airlines who designate faster shorter lines for first class passengers. What United is doing is no different. The TSA just do the screenings, the airlines can set up the lines to those screenings any way they want.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:35 PM on 06/20/2009
- Tperl I'm a Fan of Tperl 9 fans permalink

What? The airlines work with TSA to set up the lines but it is up to TSA to approve the security check in.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:15 PM on 06/20/2009
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"It allows fliers to get through check-in and security faster and board earlier."

Um, what if everyone pays the fee for speedy security checks? And early boarding? Just wondering.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:21 PM on 06/20/2009

Then they use another fee for the super special priority line.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:39 PM on 06/20/2009
- jeburr24 I'm a Fan of jeburr24 8 fans permalink

In the last few years I've flown Continental whenever possible and I've been pretty happy. I'm sure it's not as great as the better European and Asian flights, but they don't put me through this death-by-a-thousand-fees nonsense. They even feed me for free. As long as this continues (knock on wood), they will have my business. As for United, I gave up on them a long time ago.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:07 PM on 06/20/2009
- massimo1 I'm a Fan of massimo1 6 fans permalink

with the lack of other convenient fast transportation (trains!!!), the airlines have travelers by the short hairs. Boycott is the only answer.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:04 PM on 06/20/2009
- kmac23va I'm a Fan of kmac23va 11 fans permalink

This is why I'm taking the train more and more. Last year I took the two days to travel from DC to Texas, this year I'm doing an overnight to go to Florida. I bet the airlines will lobby against high-speed rail because if that comes to pass, who'd care about flying as much? Slow down a bit and enjoy watching the countryside, as well as non-hassled security, bigger coach seats, more legroom, freedom to move around at any time, ability to use any electronic device whenever you want...if they add a wi-fi service, they'll have planes dominated except in speed.

You know until last year, I'd never seen the St. Louis Arch or the Sears Tower? I had enough time in my Chicago layover to go to the tower, which is like two blocks from the station, and could leave my luggage with Amtrak. And the tracks go right by the arch. It was great. And if you haven't tried it, I'd suggest it...the biggest major-area negative is no line between Dallas and Orlando.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:49 PM on 06/20/2009
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Taking two days to travel from DC to Texas (which is slower than driving) might be fun, but the problem is that most grownups don't have two days to be on a train. Business people can't legitimize four extra days of a trip, nor can most families.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:02 PM on 06/20/2009

I was on German Wings Airlines in 2007 on a flight from Moscow to Berlin, and they literally would not give me a glass of water.

I had only rubles and dollars, and they took only Euros.

They belittled me and made me ask 2-3 times before finally giving in, telling me that they would NOT be giving me a whole bottle.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:45 PM on 06/20/2009
- BikeFreak I'm a Fan of BikeFreak 31 fans permalink
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That's terrible!

I am sorry you had to put up with that.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:52 PM on 06/20/2009

i'd rather walk to my destination then get raped by the airline industry

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:40 PM on 06/20/2009
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Damn straight. I'm walking from Dallas to London this summer to protest these outrageous prices.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:54 PM on 06/20/2009
- jonthebru I'm a Fan of jonthebru 6 fans permalink

I'm gonna protest by walking to my mailbox today.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:02 PM on 06/20/2009
- FrTown I'm a Fan of FrTown 17 fans permalink
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I can almost see them airlines execs sitting around the boardroom table thinking of new ways to stick it to the passengers...

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:40 PM on 06/20/2009

The domestic airlines will never learn why people prefer to fly international carriers.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:38 PM on 06/20/2009
- Zen0469 I'm a Fan of Zen0469 72 fans permalink
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I suppose we'll just have to pick and choose which airlines to boycott.

I've not used United Airlines for a year and a half because of the extra-fee reasons but since all of them are now getting on the additional-fee bandwagon it will become more challenging as to which ones to boycott. .

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:18 PM on 06/20/2009
- JoeAlvord I'm a Fan of JoeAlvord 4 fans permalink
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Their 31 inch seat pitch is enough for me to avoid them. See www.seatguru.com to get seat info for most airlines. I never travel without checking first.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:38 PM on 06/20/2009

They'll probably start charging a fee for not crashing.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:15 PM on 06/20/2009
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So, when that United exec comes into a restaurant for dinner, the host would seat him in a special section with extremely limited elbow room, offer a glass of ice water for $2.50, napkin and utensils at $3.50 per plate, vegetables $5 per selection, salt and pepper a steal at $0.75 per shake, $40 for the grilled chicken entree (want sauce on that? $3.75, please!), and finish up with a $5 coffee ($0.50 for the sugar) and a $10 processing charge for the trouble of adding up all the fees.

What we really need is a powerful passengers bill of rights, that would ding the airlines fees for endless hours spent on runways, delays in parking at a gate, etc. etc. that make the air travel experience a nightmare.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:09 PM on 06/20/2009
- traveling1 I'm a Fan of traveling1 8 fans permalink
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Brilliant! You forgot to add a fee for a paper check vs electronic only

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:53 PM on 06/20/2009

One knows from their attitude that aircraft maintenance has been cut. Pilot qualifications are lower with proficiency training reduced to bare minimum. The airplanes are getting older faster from fatique and hard landings. Federal Regulators were reduced during the Bush administration. What more do we need for the snow ball rolling down hill. This is from a pilot with 25 years experience and too old to fly. Take the train!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:09 PM on 06/20/2009
- frantaylor I'm a Fan of frantaylor 22 fans permalink

They can't cut maintenance without approval from the FAA.

They are already doing the minimal possible maintenance so there is no way to cut further.

Older planes are safe as long as they get the maintenance and inspections that are mandated.

Apparently flying is not the only thing you are too old for.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:06 PM on 06/20/2009

I haven't flown on United Airlines in several years. United seems to have the most "Unfriendly skies" of all.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:56 PM on 06/20/2009
- bibimimi I'm a Fan of bibimimi 33 fans permalink
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They're horrible to the flying public, and rotten to their employees. All they had was their name, and that's sullied beyond repair.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:09 PM on 06/20/2009
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